War is too deadly now and front line infantry is a death sentence. Maneuver is broken down. For infantry, the ideal situation is to reach a position as fast as possible and crawl into a hole so you can't be seen or hit by indirect fire or drone. And in this hole, the last thing you'll want to do is engage the enemy because it'll give away your position. When there's an enemy nearby, you just stay in your hole and hope a drone picks them off. You're there to just die and not do anything, and not even hold the front line.
If you change "drone" to "artillery", your post could be an account of WW1.
>>64287826Or to machine gunsOr tanksOr chemical gasThe list goes on
>>64287805You can't judge the next war by what happens in Ukraine. That's a serious mistake, although it isn't a new one.
>>64287897The next war will be f35s and drones killing everything and the grunts will probably be spending all their time groping surrendering troops to look for anything noteworthy
>>64287826If you change "drone" to "pike" it could be an account of the 15th century in Europe.>>64287910>things people said right before GWOTF35s struggle with the range to reach China. It's going to be B21s and missiles.
Its not deadly enough
>>64287910The next war will be fought by finding out that what worked in the last war has already changed, just like every war fought before it. People don't have a good grasp of what Ukraine really is. It's a big R&D project by a proxy power to weaken an opponent economically and militarily. By the next war anti-drone tech and countermeasures will have caught up with low budget drones. And really Ukraine isn't even a good measure of a R&D project, because Russia isn't fighting using rational tactics or utilizing their assets. They don't have air superiority. They don't even have naval superiority against a country with no navy. They can't figure out how to utilize artillery or AFVs, they can't figure out how to run supply lines, they can't figure out how to manage battle lines or hold territory. It's really hard to believe that the next war will be fought against an adversary that is as incompetent and unorganized as the Russians are.
>>64287805It's funny, people said that during the Iran-Iraq war then the US proved that was a lie. No, nothing changed, shitholes are just incompetent.
>>64288027>F35s struggle with the range to reach ChinaSon, we'd have like 8 carriers sitting off their coast.
>>64287826Stop saying dumb shit.>>64287805Maybe that'll end all wars because nobody wants to fuck w/ each other because of all this advanced technology. At first, it was the really expensive drones, but now it's the little guys that cost $300 that you can strap C4 to and there's nothing you can do about it once a drone spots you.
>>64287805The mortality rate for US soldiers in the WOT was low. Don't remember the exact number but really low compared to past things
>>64288237More like 3, we have obligations as world police that are more important than a few chinkoids chimping out.
>>64288237>retarded boomer copeIt's not 1983 anymore you insecure dipshit. Pull your senile head out of your prolapsed asshole and update to 2015 at a minimum. Not 2025, I don't want your head to explode. We'll be battling to keep everything past Guam from going to the bottom on hour 1.
>>64288279I think that “This new weapon is too terrifying, perhaps this will end war” is about on par with “This war will be over by Christmas”
>>64288343Who is this angry zoomer?
>>64288378The machine gun was made so that two guys with a shit ton of ammo could spray all day and that would be modern warfare, alas that didn't happen and we got WW1
>>64287805If you count deaths from dysentery then war is the least deadly it's ever been
>>642882378 carriers is about 300 F35s topsand these 300 F35s will handle the full might of china's thousands of combat jets?
>>64287805>get sent to front line>dig a hole>turn it in to a vc style tunnel and cave system>make it comfy>make a bike powered generator>spend the war "holding the line">actually playing vidya
>>64288393Chink shill most likely.
>>64287805>maneuver is broken downno>b-but in ukrainedon't care.you're a midwit.
>>64287829>thirdie ramblingmost of your people probably don't even shit in a toilet lol, that's how little thirdies care about themselves
>>64288505yes
>>64287805>War is too deadly now and front line infantry is a death sentence. Maneuver is broken down. For infantry, the ideal situation is to reach a position as fast as possible and crawl into a hole so you can't be seen or hit by indirect fire or droneYou're making the same mistake all major nations (except Germany) made after the Spanish civil war.You're taking an atypical, unrepresentative situation and believe it'll be how future wars are fought.Ukraine's not representative, nigger.
>>64287805>NowMy guy have you heard of the Battle of the Frontiers? This is one of the safest types to be infantry. At least in the ;last 150 years
>>64287829The p in islam stands for peace.The h in islam stands for humanity.The e in islam stands for enlightenment.The f in islam stands for future.The t in islam stands for truth.
>>64288505Chink jets are completely worthless so yes
>>64287805oh no not the heckin golems!
>>64290528>>64294036How to say you're clueless and delusional without saying it.
>>64294429I dont think you realize how inferior chinese planes are to f35 and I dont think you realize how weak chinese air defenses are.
>>64287805You have to hide and fight like Vietnam. Tunnel under them and attack on your terms. Strike then disappear underground where they can't hurt you. If they dare enter, they're on your turf and subject to your traps and ambushes. Tunnel warfare is brilliant desu.
>>64287805The deadliest warriors of the 21st century will be drone operators. Gone are the days of tough, fit men, having trained for hours upon hours to hone their bodies and minds into razor sharp instruments of death. Now, the warrior who has taken the most lives; whos name makes the enemy shudder with fear…will be some fat, pimply faced 19 year old with Cheeto dust on his fingers, switching tabs back and forth between tabs on his VR headset. One with TikTok AI cosplayer porn, the other with FPV drone feed.And you will sit their in your foxhole, clutching your KAC upper / LMT lower garbage blaster, praying that when your time comes, your death will come from the first drone impact, and that your $50,000 PANOs wont be damaged too badly. That is the future of war. But there is good news. Soon enough, war will be waged entirely by robots, and youll be able to watch live feed pay per view, and for an extra fee they’ll let you pilot a drone for 90 seconds, all while people place bets about your hit rate on FanDuel.
>>64287805The poor fucking infantry has always been a means make the opponent expend resources on taking or holding an objective- whether that's territory or something else this hasn't changed in centuries. If you don't burn resources on them they get to take or hold territory for free. The real question is whether it's worth expending the munition(s) on said troops.If you are infantry, you shouldn't be surprised by this, it's the job. The harsh reality is you're just there as a forcing function.
>>64295322I still don't know what form of demoralization posting this is called. It's like a drone version of those "Warfare in space has no laser beams and space powers you dumb piece of shit" posts that pop up in every single space war thread.Instead of trying to get people to support some side of a war you're trying to demoralize some young fag that wants to shoot a rifle and get shot at while defending burger town. It makes no sense.
>>64287805Nah, modern warfare will remain the same as it has since 1917, but now with an new augmentation
war won't be done right till it's politicians beating eachother with branches
>>64287805Yeah, that's why you don't join the army and get sent to a warzone. Much more comfy to prepare and plan to run guerilla campaigns of sabotaging infrastructure and kidnapping HVTs to make propaganda videos. The best gunfight is an ambush where it's cold blooded murder. The best strategy is to go where the enemy isn't. Sounds kind of lame but it's how you win.
>>64287826The effectiveness of indirect fire has increased 100x since WW1The effectiveness of a trench or foxhole has not increased 100x
>>64287897You can actually absolutely judge the next war by the most recent warRusso-Japanese war was the same as WW1Spanish civil war was the same as WW2
>>64297077Even Armenia/Azerbaijan demonstrated the new paradigm. Armored vehicles are targets for drones. Infantry are targets for drones. Infrastructure is targets for drones.Only way to win is to be a "noncombatant"
>>64290728The Spanish Civil War was absolutely indicative of future trends in air power and armoured combat. If anything, Britain and France failed to learn from the conflict while Germany and the USSR gained valuable insights.
>>64297062>he doesn't knowGuerillas' casualty rate is much higher than soldiers.
>>64297102I mean if you're squaring off with an organized military force yeah. Thing is, if you're doing the guerilla thing right you pick when and where you do business and that doesn't need to be in a trench facing superior firepower.
>>64288142>It's really hard to believe that the next war will be fought against an adversary that is as incompetent and unorganized as the Russians areUS Army is getting close.
>>64297113Total per conflict, anon. After all, when you're a guerilla you aren't the only person picking when you fight - the trained soldiers with superior firepower get to pick when they fight you too. So do guerillas on the other side.
>>64297132I guess you're right, but you can't argue it's effectiveness. The IRA is a legit government party and the Taliban run Afghanistan. Opsec and good strategy are your best friends. If a target is too risky, shift targets. There's always risk, but if it gets bad enough for me to want to start shooting it's bad enough for me to cut rail tracks in offset 6' and 12' sections to try and starve out the population I have a disagreement with.
>>64297127I am John Bob from Ohioblast and I agree
>>64297077>>64287897the real lesson from Ukraine (and from Nagorno-Karabakh) is that air superiority is the only thing that matters.The Ukraine is the way it is because neither side has air superiorityAzerbaijan won Nagorno-Karabakh because the Turks provided them with Air superiorityIn the Ukraine war, drones aren't really stopping either side from going on the offensive, what is stopping them is old fashioned tube artillery and minefields. You need air superiority to be able to suppress the tube artillery while you deal with the mine fields. Without air superiority, you can't build up the mass you need to go on the offensive in the rear, because it gets bombed/shot up by artillery, and you can't clear a path through the mine field, because you get bombed and shot up by artillery.Drones are helpful for maintaining a stalemate while both sides are unable to conduct a strategic offensive, but they are not the reason they can't conduct a strategic offensive.
>>64297162Drones provide valuable spotting for said artillery
>>64287805near peer conflicts were always deadly
>>64297307Are you claiming that direct warfare has not become more deadly over time
