Has the gun world gotten too serious?Circa 2012 all we had to worry about were zombies.I probably sound retarded but people used to be happier with less. I dunno.
buy this new laser or you won't survive
>>64292321>all we had to worry about were zombies.Zombies took the place of commies. Life goes on.
>>64292321Yeah you're just a weird shill freak. Your life is a hellish nightmare>>64292328i love when trust fund kids with 10 acres of property in the middle of nowhere tell me about shtf.
It's just a symptom of the political climate combined with internet shill culture. Red dots and optics are wonderful, but I am not holding my breath that most of the electronics last beyond 20 years. BUY AND SHOOT WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY.
>>64292321I'm a zoomer, so I wouldn't know, but it feels like we're living through the same vibe that was around in the late 1980s and 1990s. That was a peak of a lot of anti government militia movements, the assault weapons ban, and a lot of anti NWO/ZOG Illuminati conspiracies and prophesying an end of the world. The 1990s also had the backdrop of the Yugoslav wars, where a lot of right wingers in the US sympathized with Serbia who the US was essentially at war with. Similar race paranoia and tension during that era as well with the LA riots, OJ trial, all that shit. All of it feels pretty familiar now. I always got the impression that Bush, the gun ban sunsetting, 9/11, and a huge wave of combloc surplus erased some of that tension for a decade or so and made people feel like its just a harmless and cheap hobby. That illusion is starting to go away as the economy tightens up and people feel unsafe again. Won't be long before Timothy Tobiason is selling paperback guides on electronic warfare drones and home CRIPSR race phages for the new era.
>>64292321Gun autists are extremely susceptible to advertising, just look at how retards will shill hirtenberger buscadero ticondas without knowing that basic remington/winchester JHPs do the same thing for a third the price
>>64292435This guy gets it, George Carlin once said,>"Advertising sells you things you don't need and can't afford that are overpriced and don't work, and they do it by exploiting your fears and insecurities, and if you don't have any they'll be glad to give you a few by showing you a nice picture of a woman with big tits"In our case it's a picture of a special forces member holding a gun they never actually use, HK and FN are the most guilty of this practice
Eh, I don't really subscribe to the serious nature of it all. People have been saying the government is coming for your guns or whatever fantasy for decades. Obama was the boogeyman for a number of years post AWB, but nothing happened. Even the AWB wouldn't work nowadays with how people easily people can buy individual parts, nor would lower receivers be banned. But weird tangent over. I still treat it as a hobby, not a religion. Ironically the people who do treat it as a religion seem to never actually take any steps to escalate. Not to make this political but the left has proven they're much more willing to do so. It's just retarded. You have people with hundreds sometimes thousands of guns and they still have no sense of community. How do people expect to survive when society collapses if they aren't even friends with their neighbor?
>>64292335Commies retook the place of zombies. Life goes back.
>>64292431No, it's nothing like that. There was no internet to allow schizos to collaborate or to allow relatively normal people to get baited by schizo nonsense. The Soviet Union had just collapsed, the Berlin Wall fell, personal computers were just becoming common, the country was overall cohesive and optimistic. People often say zoomers will never know how good things were, but the corollary of that is you also can't really understand just how bad things are now.
>>64292321I do think it has been taken hostage by nerd horseshit. Theres nothing wrong with people enjoying things in a granular details-oriented way, but the majority of gun owners used to be people casually magdumping a cheap AR into a berm, whereas those people don't really seem to have a voice now. They obviously still exist in great numbers, considering the top gun channels are people like demoranch and hickok, but all the actual discussion in online spaces is snobby elitist min-max faggot shit, which is tedious and is probably hostile to new gun owners. It could just be that youtube and 4chan are crusty millennial platforms, maybe theres a bunch of regular fun-loving magdumpers on tiktok or whatever young people use now, idk.
>>64292431Reading Aberration in the Heartland of the Real right now, which is about Timothy McVeigh and the OK city bombing. I get the same sort of vibe right now.
>>64292708fell for it again award
>>64292321>Circa 2012 all we had to worry about were zombies.The zombies were a metaphor. Back then we couldn't talk about shooting those that wanted to harm us. Nowadays it's perfectly acceptable for trannies to talk about shooting "right-wing Nazis" and for regular people to talk about mag dumping a home invader or surviving an angry mob trying to kill us.
>>64292336Hop is fucking broke and used to work for the DMV or something
>>64292708>open borders that began 1990swhere did this meme come from? The entirety of American history has been an increase in border security. What specific policy change are you referring to
>>64292708What do you mean? Do you mean this country wasn't always a theme park for the ultra rich where your only job opportunities were in the service industry or scams? Where we actually had meaningful industrial capacity where we produced affordable things relative to wage? Where some 70 million people showed up in 25 years in spite of no serious infrastructure to onboard them?This is by definition political but I think the tone of the thread is about the downstream affects of a political environment on the gun community. There's barely anything cheap or fun, and the gun market is just aggressively shilling more and more gear off the justified expectation that everything is going to get worse and you'll need it. The gun market literally feels like a war economy by the citizens of the United States to prepare for an as of yet undeclared war on itself. Get the price of ARs and polymer 9s cheaper and cheaper, train now, stock up on canned goods. There's barely a pretense anymore, we don't pretend we get guns for hunting or "sport shooting". There's a pervasive tension that you need to stack as much money and resources for whatever the fuck is coming as possible. It's not only schizo shit, its the standard normie culture you see on any male aligned social media.
>>64292328https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6P40_kd-mS8
>>64292790>For example, what happened in U.K. and France bond valuations the past monthCan you briefly summarize this and its implications? I always hear how the bongs are broke and all their millionaires are leaving, but it never seems to manifest as anything meaningful beyond shitposting.
>>64292735I don’t think he’s referring to any policy change but the last few decades have had unprecedented immigration, which may be what he’s referring to
>>64292809Nta but apparently it’s bad this time around. There’s talks that they may need an IMF bailout which would be catastrophic for obvious reasons
>>64292464It’s really funny considering shit like the USP, 416, and scar are known for socom and most of socom just used M4s and glocks
>2012>blasting clay pots and 2 liters with bright green zombie shotguns>2025>TOP 10 FDE AR PATTERN GUNS U MUST HAVE OR U WILL DIE IN SHTF>WHY U WILL DIE AND GET LOOTED IF U DONT BUY $50K DUAL TUBE THERMAL FUSION NVGS >IF U DONT KNOW HOW TO BUILD A FULL SNIPER FIRING POSITION AND MAKE 2K SHOTS U WILL GET DOMED IN WROL LMAO
>>642927282 more weeks until da boog bros!
>>64292869Yet another victory for advertisers!
>>64292827>>64292830>>64292837I think a lot of people are waking up to this, but what the fuck do we actually do? Just stack gold?
>>64292321That's just the post-Sandy Hook world of the gun market running on fear and hype. Companies found out that they can put tattooed, bearded men into their advertisements, and people will come back in to rebuy the same gun they already own every two years. Firearms accessory companies just need to keep repackaging their products every few years like Trijicon to make bank. But the strict "guns as tools" shit bugs me the most. Post 2020 gun owners act like it's a badge of honor to willingly choose the most basic gun that was designed for the most retarded of the average conscript soldier. There are tons of guns that go bang every time you pull the trigger, and they still will even if no major military/police force uses it today. You're not either of those, so enjoy the variety you silly noob.
>>64292913>the collapse is imminentI wouldn't count on it, tbqh. When backed into a corner, I fully expect the bankers, Jews, and reptilians controlling the world to find a way to kick the can down the road another couple decades.
>>64292328I hate this fag's voice it's unreal.
>>64292336Hop shoots on public land and lives in a shitty apartment. He's the average /k/ fag just slightly more successful.
>>64292321Hate to tell you this but "zombies" was a code word for "niggers chimping out" until the retard community got hold of it.
>>64292932Dont talk about my lesbian aunt like this
>>64292431Lol fuck off. The vibe in the late 80's and 90's was "we're all pretty happy and everyone gets along." It wasn't until Jewry took complete hold after 9/11 that we all started hating each other and getting militant.
>>64292932You're just intimidated by it, be honest manlet.
I weigh 369 lb, own duals, and use them two or three times a year.
>>64293038It sounds nice. Wish I could have experience it.
>>64293038Its more like the last ten years, I remember being on forums in the 2000s and it would be like "LOL KornBizkit can't keep himself unbanned for an hour, typical Bush voter ;). He's alot better when your on his team in Halo".
>>64293108"If I had a son he'd look like Treyvon Martin" but Trump is the evil one? stfu you disgusting bleeding heart liberal you filth are why we don't have guns anyway. hurr durr weed legal better vote for dems. fucking filth.
>>64293027Kek>>64293047Nah, he just reminds me of one classmate. Same voice and they even look similar. Not a manlet though.
>>64292902>Post 2020 gun owners act like it's a badge of honor to willingly choose the most basic gun that was designed for the most retarded of the average conscript soldier. There are tons of guns that go bang every time you pull the trigger, and they still will even if no major military/police force uses it today. It is intelligent to choose to standardize your arms in the fashion of the most common denominator and in the fashion of your potential state faction enemy.
>>64292921Bread and circuses famously only goes so far and only on for so long
>>64292890>goldGenuinely what fucking use is gold going to be in an actual, realistic SHTF scenario? This is the one part of the prepper mentality I cannot wrap my head around for the life of me.
>>64293148It's because most preppers are fatsos who fall for marketing, and the gold sellers got to them. womp womp they want so bad to not be a cog in the machine but they log on each day and consoom the machine. Which isn't bad in itself but they need to stop pretending they're something different.
>>64292464>George Carlin once saidreddit is back that way
>>64293148Barter for whatever? When has humanity not valued gold? Unless the world as we know it comes to an end gold will have value.
>>64292827>Bretton Woods is physically coming apartBW is fucking GONE man, has been since the 70s. What we've got here is people who accepted USD because it was "good as gold", i.e. the entire fucking world, getting rugpulled by the US and pretending everything was okay for 50 goddamn years.>>64293148Gold holds its value really well even in fucked up situations. There's a reason goolie chits were issued with gold coins.
>>64292431>I'm a zoomer, so I wouldn't know, but it feels like we're living through the same vibe that was around in the late 1980s and 1990s.You have no idea how wrong you are. Extremist politics were very fringe. You'd see some retard at a gun show with pamphlets about Ruby Ridge, stuff like that. The klan had blown it's load in the 70s and was represented by the most dysgenic trailer trash around instead of being a real movement. White power skinheads caused problems at all ages music shows but mostly got btfo by people organizing against them. The religious right was unpopular and censorship was popularly rejected when the Washington Wives and the PMRC got made to look retarded at the Senate hearings they demanded. The commies were on the way out as enemies and Icannot describe to you the elation of the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the USSR. China and Islamic terrorists were not something anybody thought about seriously. The biggest outrage of tge 90s was the freakout over Marilyn Manson, and the right wing firebrand was Rush Limbaugh, whose antics were moderate by todays standards The 80s and 90s were fucking rad. People born after the 9/11 attacks have no idea how carefree and safe life was back then.Basically the terrorists won, and this political hellscape we have now is a direct result.
>>64293157I agree somewhat, at least for the ones who think they're gonna be playing IRL Tarkov when it happens.>>64293165>>64293187I guess I just don't understand why gold is considered so valuable by people. Maybe I'm just not greedy enough to get it, but to me in an actual SHTF scenario where every amenity of modern life is either gone or has its capacity severely reduced, it's about as worthless as paper money would be. If someone wants to barter with me for something I have I'd rather have something more useful in return like medical supplies or ammunition or bottled water.
>>64293192>I guess I just don't understand why gold is considered so valuable by people.Looks niceRare (depending on where you are)Doesn't chemically degrade under day-to-day conditions (unlike silver, etc.)No major use other than decoration (until the invention of electronics) so it stays in circulation instead of being consumed for other purposes
>>64293192>to me in an actual SHTF scenarioThat's because you have wildly unrealistic ideas about SHTF. Even if things get bad enough that nobody cares about gold, sooner or later it'll settle down and now your house is burned down but you managed to leg it with some gold so you're not completely fucked.
>>64293192Rare, finite more or less, rich people want it. Even when your world has fallen apart someone better off will be there, happy to profit off of the situation and make a few bucks.
>>64293205>>64293211>>64293220So it really is just me be retarded and not thinking in a long enough term ahead. Noted. And I was just thinking while waiting for replies that theoretically someone with a surplus of supplies could turn a legitimate business out of bartering for gold and using that gold to buy more crap to sell, so really I answered my own question as well. Thank you anons for answering what was in retrospect an incredibly naive question.
>>64293192There’s a reason we humans progressed from barter to currency. And nothing short of worldwide atomic warfare will take us back that far again.
>>64293228Gold is money, like inherently recognisable and easily confirmed as money. Silver is fine too but much less portable. All currency is fiat and electronic now, so that's fucking gone if there's a problem. Bitcoin? lmao. Diamonds are a manipulated market like art and appraisal is iffy. Real estate is immovable and flammable. Goods are bulky and possibly perishable.Gold is the go-to in sketchy environments. It's not speculative, it's the established procedure.
>>64292336Retard
>>64293188Portland and Seattle were heaven on earth in the late 90s. Beautiful, rich, but still very laid-back and community focused. And you could go snowboarding or go to the coast on a whim.
>>64293490Yes I'm living on the West Coast now (Best coast) but bleeding hearts like this faggot >>64293108who want so bad for the low amongst us (who fell on hard times don't you see, there were NO personal choices that factored into it and no, I cannot look two seconds into the future and think their situation will improve with good personal choices we must use GOBERMINT to solve their ills)to succeed they voted insane weirdo antifa sympathizers into power and now look where we are. At least they have their weed those halo loving faggots. New class of boomers came quick. Anyway I might move which sucks because I like this climate, I like crisp and wet mornings.
>>64292321>Has the gun world gotten too serious?I may sound retarded in a year for saying this but honestly I sorta feel like from /k/ that we reached peak U MUST BUY LE GADGET AND $9001 UPPER OR U DED!! awhile ago and a lot more anons are now willing to just be like "yeah I like this it's fun" and espouse the virtues of frugality particularly to newguns. Stuff goes in cycles to some extent and the industry has been mining consumers as hard as it fucking can but there is a limit and the result tends to also be backlash. Yeah there are some retards you can always sell a new paint coat of the same shit to but a lot of the growth has been fueled by people who are going to have enough and be done.Plus can't ignore the broader macroeconomy, things are going to shit in a lot of ways. During a heady few decades of wild growth and near zero or zero interest rates consumption of everything went up and the gun industry was along for the ride and egging it on. But those days are done and dead. That's going to exert pressure whether anyone will admit it or not. So is the end of the "End of History" and wars reignite and cold war surp firesales ded and gone forever on the gun community in particular.I will also note that for all the wildly gucci shit out there, we have seen some real positives in value if you're not such a tard you get sucked into namebrand. Like, for PRS you can get some astonishingly good glass for $300-600 now, new, and used prices on everything normal are dropping. End of NFA tax means we'll see some wild price drops on getting a can like that picture has. The market is ready for the return of thriftiness being trendy.
firearms technology has matured and parts of it are going through a mid life crisis.
Apparently Garand Thumb made a video where he domes a guy in a US Army uniform. Anyone know which one that is?Not to moralfag but it really speaks volumes about how bad the situation is, GT is a fag but he literally served in the USAF. You'd think he'd be more reserved about appealing to boog faggots who shouldn't really exist in the first place.
>>64293770>nooo you can't shoot drug dealers and pedophiles lol, give me a break
>>64293770https://youtu.be/Pdy0uxaJl0E?si=lMeZ4sXTq1Mg1PB2
>>64292827>>64292790What is your point? Nobody cares about bond markets or macroeconomic theory, and economics is about as scientifically legitimate as phrenology. Economists have been forecasting imminent doom for as long as there have been economists, so whether right or wrong only schizos and cranks still pay attention to them. France's bond markets have nothing to do with people stockpiling guns. People care about things that affect their lives in concrete and observable ways like culture, immigration, and microeconomic conditions that directly affect their lives. If a national or global economic crisis leads to wars, people will care about the wars, not the theoretical basis for the economic situation that led there. You say the civil war mentality is hype, but what do you think happens when the "basic underpinning infrastructure of the global—read 'across the west'—economic paradigm" comes apart? Do you have a thesis or are you just trying to sound smart by using fancy words to say the same thing as everybody else - that the country and the world today is much less stable than any other time since WWII and people are reacting accordingly.
>>64292656>Aberration in the Heartland of the RealThx.
>>64294133That's dumb and a meme. I agree smaller government is good but the US government is too small for that kind of stuff. It's individual choices.You're starting to sound like the tinfoil hat guy down the street, if you know what I mean?
>>64293238>Gold is the go-to in sketchy environments. It's not speculative, it's the established procedure.Gold is a valid option to preserve existing assets through some kind of long-term crisis, but it's probably not going to work very well for you as a medium of exchange while a crisis is ongoing. Right now an ounce of gold is around $3700 and a can of beans is about $2. You think that when things go bad and people are hungry, somebody is going to trade you 1800 cans of beans for a shiny rock? The value of gold in a crisis will be a tiny fraction of what it is now. It's only worthwhile if you can hang on to it until some semblance of a normal market returns and gold prices stabilize.
>>64294155you either believe in free will or you don't, schizo. I can't argue with you if you're going to blackpill all day.Take your weird conspiracy (the us government using itself against its own people) and shove it up your ass. Like I said I want smaller government too, but its ills nowdays can be attributed to stupidity not malice.
I dunno. Gearfags with nods and other high dollar shit is where this mostly seems to apply. I don't agree with modernization being bad because we used iron sights in the past or xyz nostalgia. $200 for a red dot and I'm instantly better than with irons? Wonderful. $500 for a rifle with better barrel harmonics and less recoil than people had for 2-3-4x the price 20 years ago? Wonderful.Affordable guns are genuinely great now and if you can't ignore the marketing telling you that you have a problem you never knew about, that's on yourself.
>>64293788Nigger.>>64294013Thanks
>>64293192>IRL Tarkov when it happensWhat is the best COA? I'm not a prepper, but if things ever really got bad, I would just try to link up with my friends, avoid confrontation and either stay in one place or move to greener pastures.
>>64294173>Epstein wasn't malicious, he was a good 'ol boy with a 2 digit IQ who dindu nuffin wrongTake it to /pol/ boomer. Hanlon's razor has been a bad joke for a long time. That crap only applies to small homogeneous societies, which should alert you to the false dichotomy you've constructed of the US government as either a monolithic hivemind or an innocent system. No large social system works like that let alone our government. It's a gang of hundreds of gangs with interlinking social connections like a diagram of an ant hive.
>>64294211> Babbling about esoteric nonsense orthogonal to the thread topic> Can't articulate an argument> Everybody else is just too dumb to understand my brillianceSure thing kiddo.
>>64294246If you really thought that you would do something but you don't, all you do is blackpill in forums and eat your mcdonalds. Obviously there are malicious actors in the government but they're an exception not the rule. Or maybe I'm the schizo for giving you attention daddy never gave you. So now you seek it out online by ragebaiting? Wonderful.
>>64292951Lol he makes like $65k/yr and wastes all his money on rent. Don't be jealous of this dude shooting sponsored guns.Plus he's a nepo baby hire via James.
>>64294246Some people love to fantasize about that. It's nearly as stupid as thinking the government is innocent and pure. Neither group is interested in the mundane realities of how departments and social networks interact. It's no coincidence the doomer and Pollyanna groups are 95% people without social skills. Normal people can wrap their heads around interdepartmental friction easily and better-than-normal types, like salesmen or some sociopaths, understand deniable cooperation as easily as breathing.
>>64294246I've literally only seen a schizoid from peoria post this shortly before melting down about how he really wants to do exactly what he decries.
>>64294284See what I mean? You hear about a blackmail ring and instantly flip from one pole to the other because you mentally can't comprehend what half of humanity is born understanding.We should have a poll test for social skills.
>>64294280Yup this idiot has no idea what he's saying. I think he's just bored from reading about actual crisis and warfare like the Cuban Missile Crisis or World War 2. I get it peacetime is boring. Wake up go to work enjoy some vacation every now and then. But no you're not in a low-budget sci-fi flick we're not run by lizard pedo people. And like the other Anon said I agree it's not all sunshine and rainbows in DC there's some super bad people that got into power but they're few and far between. It's not some grand conspiracy.
>>64294289>>64294284You should write your congressman. It might be more effectual than shitposting here, especially since this is a pretty accepted thing that epstien is bad.
Riding around with nods is fun
>>64294318hush now little schizo. I understand your heart rate is up right now because you're getting attention but it's going to be okay.
>>64294284Nothing ever happens btw
>>64294320>encouraged to participate in his democracy>ITS A JOOOOOO CONSPIRACYMeds, subhuman
>>64294239>Still can't articulate a point>Still calling others stupidTake your meds.
>>64294349>Until it doesAbsolutely delusional
>>64294349Yeah, I've noticed anyone who rails about the "zog" like you're careening towards is actually just a complete fucking idiot that can't take even the simplest of actions (eg, writing a congressman) to try and influence things. The only thing you've reinforced here is that people that think like you can be safely ignored. But hey, monday meltie for robert it be i guess.
>>64294349Because you're being a total mule. It's your way or the highway so whatever. Keep being a schizo online, you freak.Nobody will care in a few hours or a few days or a few years, and even less in a few hundred years when I'm dead and you're dead and the same lizard pedos are dead and it turns out I was right and they were just bureaucrats who took their kids to little league practice on Wednesday nights in Fairfax county like everyone else.
>>64294375>2 MOAR WEEKS TRUST ME WE ALL NEED TO SPEND 50K ON BOOGALARP KIT WHEN 9001 NIGGERZ COME TO RAPE MEfell for it again award
>>64294380Read my post through the huffed up tears instead of just getting mad, retard.>>his democracy>Israel'sPlease explain what wavelength you're on if not that.
>>64294133Italyanon here, the strategy of tension was not about pushing "big governament", we do not think that way (we are still deeply corporativistic, we don't see beyond "defend the aquired privileges of our group"). The strategy of tension was about scaring the average Joe to keep voting center (unlike the US, we have a centrist party). There are to this day some terror acts we are unsure by whom they were committed (far right says it was the far left, far left says it was the far right). Basically it was a way (supported by the US and everyone who had something to lose) to ensure that nothing ever happens.
>>64294405lmao, no you aren't robert. You've tried that slop before and got talked into a circle spouting heretical bullshit
>>64294411>Read my post through the huffed up tears instead of just getting mad, retard.>>>his democracy>>Israel's>Please explain what wavelength you're on if not that.Still stands. Or did you hear the term zog, think it was edgy, and spout it off not knowing what it meant?
Guns have moved past the durr rifle days of the boomers and the poor college students/minimum wage earners of the 00sPeople want cool shit and they're tired of pretending they don't
>>64294435>i just post exactly like him at the same timeyeah
>>64294428Governament is not about bad vs right things, but chaos vs stability, and thus self preservation. As any other living being it will do anything it takes and none can blame them for it.
>>64294457and nothing will ever change
>>64294446Got it, you're a retard. Go back to pol.
>>64294450Not sure what you mean by chaos vs stability, but I agree government always wants to expand. I even said that to schizo above. I want smaller government.Thing is, we have the solution in front of us. Voting and using our congressman (here in the US at least not sure how Italy does it).I hate people who only bitch and moan online about lizards and blood rituals at pizza restaurants. Those people only want a civil war because they're bored because it's peacetime because work is hard and boring but that's why we get paid.
>>64294454Exactly, which is why its so easy to spot a monday meltie for what it is you fucking dysgenic loser.
>>64294469>REEE GLOWIESyou will do nothingnothing will ever changenothing will ever happenstop pretending otherwise you retard
>>64294479>>64294469>autist sperging out over not following his internet rules>ITS DA GLOWIES>ITS DA JOOOOOSGo back to the failed man hugbox, lmao
>>64294507it's larp all the way down
>>64294514Again, sure robert. Not like you haven't both used incognito to spam here nor used inspect element to manipulate shit.
>>64294532>You're having a delusional breakdown>spamming this shit>You're having a delusional breakdown
>>64294649I know the troons are the big thing the feds are talking about cracking down on but really the schizos affect my day to day far more.
>>64294712>proudly posts the archive of the meltie>its DA JOOS DA GLOWIES DA FREEMASONS all the way downkek
>>64294153You've got the wrong opinion about gold. Likely due to a scarcity mindset. Other anons posted that BTC has 5x while gold has 2x. Absolutely true but I own both. Get both is the answer. Making more money is the answer. People into gold, especially now at almost $4k/oz aren't deciding whether or not to invest in their 401k OR buy gold they've already got a employer match mandated retirement plan plus a home plus crypto plus gold.You don't understand because you aren't there yet.>Nonone will trade beans for a gold coinTrue. But no catastrophe has ever been everlasting and has covered the entire globe simultaneously. If I can transport wealth via gold coins physically and get to an area I can resettle to them gold will have served it's purpose. BTC does a similar thing but on grid (don't be a pedantic faggot).COULD I just buy beans now?Yeah that's a good question I could do that but I don't want to buy something I may or may not need and has an expiration date plus maintenance requirements when I could just buy a gold coin. I own beans in mylar and let me tell you they take up a hell of a lot more space than a stack of gold coins that could buy my house and everything in it.
>>64294137Nah you're not coming back from quoting carlin lmao
>>64294147>>64294095I don't even know what he said but you sound gay.>>64293770Post your gun faggot this board has literally always been pro civil war.
>>64294727Nobody who owns a gun says "joos"
>>64292951Sometimes I really do wonder how much him and brassfacts are operating on. They probably get tax write-offs on all the shit they buy and probably just sell it all off later, but cycling and burning through all that gear can't be cheap. Maybe they're secretly betting on shtf, because none of this looks sustainable.
>>64294850Bit late to the party aren't you? Have this one because I'm not going to be bothered resizing anything else for (You).
>>64292321I think it's getting less serious. Retro rifles are the big thing now. These are not tactically advantageous in most cases (although, I think people downplay how well these rifles could actually hold their own in a serious situation). I, for one, am quite glad to be out of LE EBIN ZOMBIES xD era and that we're coming out of the TACTICAL HIGH SPEED LOW DRAG HIGH BODY FAT LOW FITNESS OPERATOR era as well, even with the national political tension. I think we're about to enter a comfy era of gun ownership.
>>64294889>unironically wearing the reddit wedding ringlmao, what a pathetic little dork
>>64292321Yeah, millenial fuckin retards grew up and started voting which ruined everything.
>>64294940>never done a day of actual work in your lifeMany such cases. Degloving is real, retard.
>>64295005>t. RPing deskoid
>>64295071you have no guns nor job and are thusly not a person
>>64295080you talk like a fag, and your shit's all retarded
>>64292321No, it got retarded and consumist, not serious.
>>64295118consumerist*
>>64295096i accept your concession, no gunz
>>64295128>compulsive need to prove things to strangersmentally ill redditor detected
The tryhard serious types ruined it by being faggots. There's more honesty and integrity in someone shooting stuffed animals with a 12-gauge on Youtube than there is at any gun range, gun shop, guntuber channel, meetup, or convention. Even gun shows suck dick now.
>>64295139Second time you called me a redditor without posting gunz btw
>>64295149>gunz>z>>>reddit
>>64292328>the button layout on your $2k ir iluminator is suboptimal, it'll get you killedI hate him and brassfags. All they do is shoot in their back yards and they think that 99% of gear is beneath them.
I just shoot my mostly stock 10/22s (with no ear pro, even!) and let whatever marketing gimmick of the week fizzle out. Nothing much has changed, it's always been an overcompensating hobby anyway.
>>64295252before there were guys emulating high speed low drag war criminal LARPerators they were emulating war criminal MACV-SOG commando guys who snuck into villages at night and slaughtered all the women and children
>>64295295Who do you larperate as?
>>64295324for me, it's the guys who did all those war crimes in the Philippines
>>64292715>>64294389it's very adorable that glowies are trying to repurpose the "fell for it again award" meme to mean anything other than "there are no good people in the US government and there are no political solutions to this problem" lol
>>64295353I see, and with what guns?
>>64292431>made people feel like its just a harmless and cheap hobbylmao wat? Go run your mouth about your """harmless""" ayyy-lmaooo-15 at work and watch what happens. You'd get pretty much the same reaction in any era.
>>64295513Krag–Jørgensen
>>64295536May we see it?
>>64295558nice try, glowfren : )
>>64295570If someone's gonna glow they aint asking about an antique a good deal of people don't even need to go to an ffl for lmao
>>64295579>please confirm you have this hard to trace firearm!your data collection tactics don't work here lol
>>64292321Welcome to the End of End of History, shit sucks. There's a reason why that neoliberalism hope porn was written and it was because of that era which felt exceptionally hopeful with the unlimited and unbridled optimism that was felt towards the future.2 years after 2012 you got Russia taking over Crimea in a "oh shit is WW3 going to start" moment and then you get the pain train of China going shithead with Wolf Warrior, COVID, Russia going full retard and so on.
>>64295589I dunno man, i just wanna see fun guns not hear about glowies in the walls. Some schizo got banned for that shit earlier
>>64295579You'd be surprised. They were targeting the forgotten weapons audience for a while not because they're prone to crime/mass shootings but simply because they're easy to bust. They probably still are for all we know.
>>64295603Whaaaaat? Like, retards that sbr'd a relic sorta shit or just data collection?
>>64292321The world has gotten shittier so this is just in response to that
>>64293038>we're all pretty happy and everyone gets along>race riots>mass-immigration>everything getting more expensive while wages stagnatedLooking at it through rose-tinted lenses, the divide between left and right wasn't that bad but this country has ALWAYS had racial problems; it's much more apparent now since Whites have increasingly become less of the population.
>>64295602>please please post itlol, shameful display
>>64292726>broke>constantly dicking around with thousands of dollars in random shit
>>64295872do you understand how product promotion works?
>>64295872He occasionally gets T&E equipment but that's been drying up because he shits on basically everything. I think steiner has him outright blacklisted. Primary Arms offered him a sponsorship but the terms were ass and he didn't want people calling him a shill and actually being kinda right. For the most part, he borrows stuff from his friends at TFB, and the rest he buys used, does a video, and resells on discord or tacswap to fund the next purchase. He doesn't keep much on hand.
>>64295613Neither, as in they are the gun community population with the greatest exposure to the general white collar office and most likely to get reported both because of terrible social skills and because they throw out all sorts of inflammatory signals that can be easily used against them. And let's not forget that they generally aren't a significant physical or legal threat to the agents compared to actual fucking terrorists. Basically the class """history buff""" (closet wehraboo) that relishes in pissing everyone around him off and thinks it's OK to mouth off about historical guns in public because they're old without considering the fact that he comes off as an unhinged loonie since the average person can't tell the difference between an old WW2 gun and a modern one, if they can even tell you when WW2 even happened.
>>64294153>it's probably not going to work very well for you as a medium of exchangeThe good thing about gold is that being a coin doesn't add any value. You can use a fucking rock to smash smaller bits off if you need change. You can take a link off a gold chain.
>>64295879If all of my hobby related needs were provided for free, I would have a shit load of money. If hop is poor despite getting free gibs like a welfare queen, then he is white trash.
>>64292435>not "Chuddha"commit sudoku
>>64296652>free gibs like a welfare queenHe doesn't, and anything he makes off youtube is split between ammo and living expenses. He doesn't have a day job.
>>64292321It was the peak of IV8888, Paul and Hickok still dispensed homespun wisdom. Now there's still GT and Brandon doing meme shit for clicks. I will agree people were happier with less and a few gems amid a relative sea of mediocrity is better than the endless megatsunami of slop in the modern dystopia, just look at the retro gaming revival.
>>64293108Everyone hated Bush except trust fund college Republicans (nobody liked them either). But making politics your whole personality was cringe, or as we called it then, epic fail/retarded and gay.
>>64293188 Checked>>64293490Those who didn't live through it have no idea what we lost and those who did have only fading memories to cling to. Turns out the nutcases going on about ZOG and New World Order living out in trailers in the Arizona Desert were right all along, but nobody took them seriously. And the worst part is, comparatively speaking the real hard times haven't even begun.
>>64295615inb4>no boomer everything always sucked since forever you just were too dumb to realize it
>>64292321Zombie shit was pretty chill. It got people thinking about guns, planning for worst case scenarios, and survival without being retarded. Tacticool mil larp is fucking cringe. It's a bunch of never serves telling people if you don't buy this $2000 LPVO you're literally going to die in the streets or some hobo bearded seals shilling over priced dog shit gear and coffee from their own company. Now a bunch of anti social retards are debt maxxing to buy shit for a civil war that's never going to happen.
>>64297164Normal people have been "worried" about organized gangs of foreign criminals for ages.What it comes down to is your willingness to arm yourself to the best of your abilities to fight ALL THREATS foreign and domestic.It says so right in the fucking Constitution
>>64292335And now we have to worry about both....>life goes on
>>64297285>transtugal
>>64297285>>64297297The "real" commies would've slaughtered these people like stray dogs on the streets of Baghdad in 2005
>>64292321>Finally decide to get a few good rifles and pistols>Still feel like I'm going to die if I don't buy a full plate carrier and night visionit never ends
>>64294882isnt that how everyone is operating? run up like 10 credit cards worth of ammo and guns because either the end is coming before they come to collect or you kill yourself from societal depression
>>64297322Plates and night vision are super obtainable in 2025.10 years ago a bottom of the barrel Vietnam era NV would've cost like $10k.Plates are still something worth debating about in 2025.Thats a lot of weight assuming your "enemy" is competent enough to hit you at 200+yards...
>>64297322drop the plates and build an LBE rig plates are fucking useless for whatever sort of fighting a civvie should be getting into
>>64295215I thought Hop was fine until he and assfacts both sold the hell out to Holosun. Now people are reporting issues with the IRIS on plebbit and have been reporting issues with the RAID. Neither one legitimately covered the HFXC and straight up ignored it in their LAM videos.Youtubers have a chronic sell-out issue and a safe presumption is that they're getting compensated unless it can be proven otherwise. Basically the only guy who's square was Paul.>>64295558This is a fed.>>64295589Posting your guns stopped being cool around here a few years ago if you actually give two shits about opsec. This board is heavily monitored by federales ever since 2021, if you know you know.>>64297334Quality set of Hesco 4403s is $430 or so, platecarrier $100, NV is a solid $2k. For the price of a really nice graphics card you need to play the latest sloppa that barely looks better than Arkham Knight you can have a solid setup.
>>64297412>plates are fucking useless for whatever sort of fighting a civvie should be getting intoDaily reminder there are people here who want to give bad advice so they have less "competition" when/if the boog happens. Not saying that's you but just putting that out there. You don't know what kind of "fighting" civs "should" be getting into because it's so circumstantial. Plates aren't good for home defense unless you have ample advance warning and enough time to put the carrier on. For situations where rule of law has deteriorated and you're doing defensive work against armed and dangerous looter brigades, or you have a kid in a nearby school and the cops are jerking off trying to get the hand sanitizer to work like Uvalde, absolutely very useful because you'll be going toe to toe with at least one jackass likely with his own armor. Home invasions are now done using signal jammers and some body armor. Plates or soft armor level the field.
>>64292328I look like that and say those things.
>>64297328Yeah that's how things were in 2022. Nerds were putting $3k into top shelf plates (28595s, 4800s or 4800LVs, LTC 23600s), $8k nv, $5k on a thermal, then the bill came due and I think they had to sell shit like crazy.Lot of them went underground out of embarrassment.
>>64299280It's pretty evident that no sort of boog is ever going to happen. I've heard it all over the past 30 years. Nobody actually does anything despite how bad it gets.Rome fell without any real violence to speak of, and I think we're gonna see a similar thing play out here.
>>64299414I agree. Worst case scenario it'll be the troubles coupled with the states breaking up, so expect localized mob crime and a period of shitty unpaid law enforcement with some vigilante shenanigans, people misreading the situation and going out to get their boogaloo special "pound of flesh" they've been itching for then getting nailed as they fail at the CQC they've been allegedly training for years at.Guaranteed law and order will be reinstated within a month of whatever happens, unless it's a full on nuke exchange coupled with a turner diaries /pol/ crack fantasy race war. The "system" is too entrenched.
>>64299414>Rome fell without any real violence to speak of, and I think we're gonna see a similar thing play out here.you think we’re the Roman Empire here but we’re the Roman republic
>>64299547u stand befur the miggy caesar salad!1!
>>64293770>You'd think he'd be more reserved about appealing to boog faggots who shouldn't really exist in the first place.1. He's a serial adulterer who advertises guns for a living, I don't think he's the model of integrity2. That's been his entire fanbase the whole time
>>64299516More reasonable take them most people make. Always amazed me how much people focus on this complete anarchy and dissolution of power structures outside of raider groups angle for any sort of SHTF fantasy. Even in an apocalyptic situation you're gonna end up with weeks at most before formal or informal power structures fill the vacuum. If you go around fucking around you're gonna be shot or lynched in a month tops once people organize at all. It'd be shitty as all hell but people crave organizational structures and that isn't changing just because the wheels fall off.
>>64299414>Rome fell without any real violence to speak ofFor literally any of the possible dates or events you could mean when you say "Rome fell", every single one of them involved large scale organized violence. Are you a fucking tradie?
>>64299594I think it's because people got into this hobby, maybe with a screw or two already loose, and they've got $10k of gear or more just sitting in the corner and are chomping at the bit to actually use it.>If you go around fucking around you're gonna be shot or lynched in a month tops once people organize at allOnly way the "raider" types actually stay around past a month is if they're the ones doing the organizing and have the numbers, power, and force necessary to maintain control. That's difficult when there are more firearms than people in the US and the number continues to grow. They can try to "tech" their way out of problems using advanced preps and other equipment but that doesn't solve the fact they'll get potshotted and suffer attrition over time.You aren't holding anything more than a cul-de-sac unless you have several dozen men. A sympathetic populace is needed and you don't get that by raiding peoples' houses.I think if hell broke loose tomorrow law enforcement would assume control of local areas. Like it or not these raider boog types have no way to contest surplused MRAPs and they lack the skill, numbers, and equipment to defend against a SWAT team that no longer gives a shit about due process and probable cause, because it's martial law.
>>64299628>I think if hell broke loose tomorrow law enforcement would assume control of local areas. Like it or not these raider boog types have no way to contest surplused MRAPs and they lack the skill, numbers, and equipment to defend against a SWAT teamI live in Orlando and read that they only have a total of 1000 officers, and presumably a lot of them are women and or desk jockeys. As is, the cops can't even handle our groid problem and flat out don't even bother patrolling certain areas. I think you severely over estimate the numbers and abilities of your local PD. If cops started some judge dredd shit to maintain control of a city, people would basically be fighting them with guerilla war and the cops would no longer have a lot of the resources available to them now (like surveillance, CSI, etc). Literal armies have trouble fighting third worlders sometimes, and you're talking about a militant group dug deep into an urban environment. Without the infinite money, time, resources and tech available to them now, their ability to track down militants would be significantly diminished. These are also the same people, by the way, who will sit around all day rather than stop a school shooter.
>>64299895I'm more used to metropolitan / semi-metro American PDs that have a lot of surplus ex-Iraq / afghan equipment.If we're talking about the same militant groups, they'll be a menace for a few weeks and then will attrit either from infighting or a lack of ability to manage / secure resources. Who's keeping the lights on, the fridge cold, the trucks coming?The police also have a legitimacy advantage that your average militia won't. They're the same cops as the ones before things went to pot, except probably with a lot of new deputies.
>>64299912It really depends on the scenario. If we're talking dhtf (diarrhea hit the fan) then nobody will have power, and there will be zero faith in the dollar. How would the cops recruit new officers, by promising them baked beans and ammo? How long will their supplies last? I just don't see the cops lasting as any sort of organized unit for very long before they just become another gang, except they'd have a blue uniform. Their legitimacy and force is all they have, and their legitimate won't last long if things get really bad.
>>64292321It's the whole world. Just look at what gaming is doing. Everything is diehard hardcore "git gud" gaming. Long gone are the times where you could just sit back and chill in a game, or god forbid fuck around and have some fun. No, get with the latest meta or you will be bullied into compliance.
>>64299994>How would the cops recruit new officersA share of their resources and a mutual protection ring. "We train you, give you a badge, you help us, we help you" would be their mantra.>I just don't see the cops lasting as any sort of organized unit for very longThey'd do better than most since half of society (for the most part) respects them.I think the idea is they just have to hold out for a month or two before things settle out. SHTF isn't a multi-year event unless we got zombies or some kind of mega CBRN problem. Anthrax grass or something. Order will return before then.
>>64295632Lol fuck off retard. Literally nobody gave a single fuck about race between essentially the 70's and mid 2000's, every single story you see is wild exaggeration or isolated to ghettos. The kike faggotry they teach you in school now about how we were is so far disconnected from reality it's absurd to anybody who was actually there.
>>64296911Fucking everybody loved Bush after 9/11. It wasn't until Iraq until maybe 10% said anything, then after his presidency where we started to realize he was a lying sack of shit and probably did 9/11. None of you will every understand the "rah rah" patriotism that united everyone after 9/11, every single house in every street in every city had an American flag hanging outside.
Society has gotten more serious (neurotic) in general
>>64300094medication is the downfall
>>64299280as a civilian you should make it your number one goal to avoid any sort of direct fighting and should be hiding with a ghillie suit and grandpas deer rifle
>>64300133>gets spotted by local band of credit card warriors and a $3k thermal drone that no longer care about the repo man or their 295 credit>can't go into town or do anything incognito because you're wearing a fucking ghillie suit and have a deer rifle you can't conceal.
>>64300063>loved Bush after 9/11>every single houseNot mine. Whole family are Traitors
>>64300198should have had everything you needed in your pantry beforehand
>>64300322So you're gonna defend said pantry with a deer rifle? This reads like /r/preppers where you're supposed to budget basically fuck-all for weapons and 90% food / electricity / water / sustainability so you can be a good little loot drop.
>>64299994IMO law enforcement would honestly have much less of a problem with that than any upstarts would. Neighborhood "watches" would sprout up in a few days in most places. Some places would probably be temporarily ruled by gangs but those would be very limited in number and scope, outnumbered 100 to 1 by the non shit hole neighborhoods. LE would have access to city level resources which they'd likely quickly take de facto control of. They'd literally be the only group around with a general perception of legitimacy and an ability to even offer any sort of reliable pay in terms of food/water/resources. They could start recruiting immediately and likely would for volunteer police positions which members of any community watch would be interested in so that they could have access to information and have people to reach out to in the case of community level violence.Put yourself in the position of the average joe blow community member a few weeks into absolute SHTF, you had to slot a few looters and things obviously aren't about to get better. You're not sure where your next meals will come from. do you ditch everything you know to join some totally unknown upstart raiders that will throw you into the meat grinder with some vague promise of future food and women who might be wiped out in a week? Or do you join the local LE volunteer core in exchange for basic training and some rations on patrol days, something they're doing right now and in the open? The risk reward calculous is easy. Add in the fact that they'll be collecting "taxes" over a much larger and more willing populous and there you go.
>>64292321I like zombie stuff alsozombie squad forums were fun
>>64301015>Put yourself in the position of the average joe blow community member a few weeks into absolute SHTF,I've already returned to the family farm with my kids and body armour, dones radios gunz, canned bean moutain, reloading gear, medical suppplies etc and dogs and have felled trees to block all the access roads near it an teamed up with neigbouring farmers we know to kill trespassers and run a ready reseve reaction set up
>>64301358>But I DID have breakfast today!Lmfao, good luck with that buddy. Btw rural areas are always hit the worst during periods of prolonged unrest, that's where you legitimately have to worry about the bandit king types.
>>64299398Post Socko
>>64299258The computer will actually get used, though. Shooting at night sucks, and it has nothing to do with target visibility. It takes a special kind of nighttime/firearms enthusiast to want to kit up, go out and sweat at 10:00 PM and get raped by mosquitos just to shoot a few mags.
You're all sick people. I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all. I put a curse upon you all. Fuck ya mudda
>>64301358>body armourHe's British.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMnJxOpGHxQ
>>64299280>Home invasions are now done using signal jammers and some body armorWhat? Seriously???
>>64302892NTA but cartels like signal jammers, and there have been a few notable cases of them being used during attacks on farms in South Africa. I've never heard of them being used in the US, but I guess its a matter of time and to be fair, its an inherently difficult thing to track.
