>The deck has several obstructions that reduce its sortie efficiency, particularly the placement of the blast deflectors.>There are too many unsafe designs, including the catapult power. It is directly powered by the ship's electric grid.>The Chinese lack the technology to create strong, reliable steel pieces. This makes their landing tails and catapult contacts prone to failure and in need of frequent maintenance.>The catapult's power requirements would strain the ship's electrical system, forcing systems that rely on it, such as the AD and radar, to operate at reduced power or shut down entirely during plane takeoffs.>The DC catapult is prone to frequent failure and major power loss, which further strains the electrical grid.>It is also more unreliable and difficult to control, putting greater strain on the airframe and causing cracks.>The catapult is also less powerful. While it's certainly better than a ramp, the improvement isn't significant.>Ship propulsion is less powerful and slower.>Additionally, the DC catapult is more likely to interfere with the ship's radar, and the electric current from the catapult could damage the fragile electronics in the airplanes.>DC is also a major hazard on rainy days.>The catapult easily clogs up, reducing its effectiveness. Metallic objects are easily drawn to it due to its powerful magnetic field.Why are chinks praising it again?
>>64297360They wanted to have it out and in the public to show off to the world.
>>64297360>source: your assCOPE and SEETHE, tardo.
>>64297360How are they launching J-35's (which the US cant do) with decks that have cracks?
>>64297360Did someone resurrect Pierre Sprey?
>>64297360>have to shut down your radar to use your main weaponWhat is this, the fucking moskva?
>>64297360and its their 3rd aircraft carrier, and first designed domestically, rather than a copy of the Soviet-era Varyrag/Riga design. the 3rd carrier the US built was the Saratoga - which had more than its share of design flaws, stemming from its hull design being originally for a battlecruiser.Anyone who goes "hurr, Chinese bad" as a thought-terminating cliché, incapable of acknowledging the development and progress they are making, is an absolute fool. Someday, they will produce something that is a match for the US - or worse, is it's better. Not because "China strong" or bullshit like that, but because Americans like OP are complacent. Complacency and the inability to look at the outside context questions like "What happens when they do get their shit together?" is more than capable of leading to any superpowers' decline. If it does happen to the US, it wont be the first nation, empire, or kingdom, by a long way. Wont be the last either.
>>64297509and before some knuckle-dragging troglodyte starts their other predictably idiotic line of thought -terminating clichés, probably revolving around the phrase "Ok Chang", no, I'm not Chinese. If this seems incredible to you, go back and re-read that last post again, slowly, and out loud if you need to. Go get a dictionary and look up "complacent" if you have to. >Pic saved from the last time some fucking idiot started that shit.
>>64297360>t. george westinghouse
>>64297360Whatever helps you cope: https://x.com/Capt_Navy/status/1970215007117025677?
>>64297509Saratoga was a treaty limited battlecruiser conversion built at a time when aircraft carriers were experimental weapons in their absolute infancy. Despite this she served with distinction and survived the war, even sinking a contemporary enemy carrier. The Chinese have a century of other people’s notes to work off and haven’t yet managed to equal the half century old Nimitz design. Fujian isn’t something to be ringing alarm bells over if you’re the USN. It’s a conventionally powered design with one fewer catapult displacing significantly less than any American carrier. It’s a first step not a pacing threat, and any better follow on design won’t begin to enter service until sometime around the middle of the next decade. At that point China will be experiencing a pretty severe demographic slump and I doubt they’ll be in a very good position to try and start a world war. The one child policy put them on a very unforgiving clock and they’re about out of time to make a play for world military hegemonic power, and their current birth rates show no sign of them being able to reverse the damage.
>>64297509I do agree, they're newer to this stuff and so there's technical hurdles to overcome, like the launcher system, power plant, aircraft handling. Its stuff that comes with a carrier that isn't an instant learn.But there are things that should have been tested before they made it onto the ship. There are ways to see that connecting the catapult directly to the ship's power is not a good idea, having Radar and AD take a hit every time the catapult launches is not a good thing. Like yes, there are technical issues to overcome, China and the US will have to overcome them all the same, but some of the problems listed, especially electrical and interference problems should have been caught in SOME kind of testing before they were built. You don't need a carrier to test EMALs with DC and see it can interfere with your Radar, or that it can be affected by loose metal objects that are drawn in by its magnetic field. And you DEFINITELY should be able to build into the carrier the idea that Air Defense, Radars, and Aircraft launching should all be capable of functioning at the same time.Again I do agree, its not like they can't learn and iterate on the design, but these are flaws that the US is figuring out before they show up on the carrier. Also a google search on Saratoga showed most of its design faults were things that you did need a full ship to see.
>>64297545Imagine coping so hard you trust Chinese Military Propaganda.
>>64297580>Saratoga was a treaty limited battlecruiser conversion built at a time when aircraft carriers were experimental weapons in their absolute infancy. Despite this she served with distinction and survived the war, even sinking a contemporary enemy carrier. Yes, captain obvious, that was my point about the battlecruiser... >The Chinese have a century of other people’s notes to work off and haven’t yet managed to equal the half century old Nimitz design. Do they? How man Chinese navy officers have sailed onboard a US, British, French, Italian, Indian, or any other carrier? I wager, the answer is close to zero. >Fujian isn’t something to be ringing alarm bells over And that is the first step of complacency. Look at Fujian. Compare its progress to Liaoning. Then look at what the type 004 is expected to have. Will it be a match? of course not. But ask yourself where they'll be with a type 005 or 006, with actual experience, in a decade, or 20 years. they dont need a world war. what happens when they can have the same number of carriers, and are using them for disaster relief support in tsunami-hit areas. or to enforce the belt and road treaties, or to be around the spratleys, and doing soft power diplomacy because the US has shit the bed in that area? being complacent is to claim their time is over, that they cant possibly learn, that they're incapable of innovation etc. Gleefully predicting their doom, instead of preparing for a worst-case outcome is what will be the US' undoing. Jingoism, ego, and arrogance do not help any nation remain on top.
>>64297620For not being a Wumao you are following their script shockingly closely 'Anon'.Also we're on 4chan, not the actual US Military. The US military takes whatever adversaries say at face value and designs for dealing with that, if the adversaries can't deliver at that level it makes the Military's job easier, but if they can they're prepared.
>>64297599>But there are things that should have been tested before they made it onto the ship. There are ways to see that connecting the catapult directly to the ship's power is not a good idea, having Radar and AD take a hit every time the catapult launches is not a good thing.I absolutely agree. and that will be an expensive mistake. But I will wager, its one they will learn from, and they wont repeat - on a carrier or any other vessel. Question is, how rapidly are they advancing towards having parity or near parity, and how rapidly is the West (because its not just the US, its the cultural influence of their mindset, vs that of the US and europe, etc.) advancing?At what point is "good enough", good enough, that they can start using them, be it soft power, or hard power? People talking about world wars is one thing, but its entirely another for if they have a regional conflict with Indonesia, or the Philippines. And again, they will make mistakes, and learn from them. The US' military has been in a near-constant state of active use for the last quarter century. You dont get that experience any other way. The worry is, where they gain their experience, and how rapidly they can catch up.I'm not sure I like the US' direction, and the influence it has on the world right now. but I sure as shit would pick it, for all its faults, over China's vision for its influence. And my pint was, dismissing them without a thought is playing into their hands.
>>64297638Oh, and there's the first fucking "wumao" moron. like fucking clockwork, every time. Do you think goddamn Chinese post pictures of Tiananmen square, you mouth-breathing mongoloid? Stating facts about their clear and obvious development does not make you or I a fucking agent for them, "anon" as you so idiotically insinuate.Christ on a stick, you are the exact sort of thought-terminating half-wit I was talking about, and you're too fucking dumb to realize I was talking about you.
>>64297545terrible shots and editing, chinks are truly soulless
>>64297620In 2045 the young generation of new Chinese fighting men will be one half the size of their father’s generation and one quarter the size of their grandfathers’, assuming they maintain their current ~1 birth per woman. If their youth unemployment does not get better in a hurry these numbers will naturally get even worse. They will not have the bodies to take over the world, it will be difficult for them to maintain their current standing. This isn’t doom and gloom it’s the reality of their population pyramid. No empire has ever gone conquering with those demographics. I’m significantly more worried about the deleterious impact India and their mass emigration scheme is going to have on the world. Their birth rate is finally dropping to below replacement, but on average an Indian is a full decade younger than a Chinese. Did you know that they could export two million Indians to every recognized country on Earth and still remain comfortably the second most populous nation on Earth? Not to say that would ever happen but it illustrates the scale of the problem. I’m far more concerned about that than I am China deciding to exhaust and isolate itself trying to break through the first island chain.
>>64297655>But call him a wumao and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”
>>64297580>and haven’t yet managed to equal the half century old Nimitz design.I'm not even sure they've managed to equal the Midway post-refit.
Lol /k/ seething again.
>>64297661I'll agree their population decline is, well, I would like to say "alarming", but part of me thinks "encouraging" is a more accurate phrase for my view on it. Doubt they'll think the same. And at the same time, their population is fucking massive, and while young manpower is definitely going to decline, in an authoritarian nation with strict structured society, I'm not sure it will be proportionate to their military. I do expect that there will be a massive decline in their non-economic areas, like their poorer regions. Personally the one that I think is an under-observed potential power is indonesia - GDP's about 30% of that of india, but climbing rapidly. And Indian tech development is much the same need for caution - especially with Modi's brand of authoritarianism, and alliances with Russia continue for further generations. Again, its the thought terminating cliches and jingoism, that people ignore what's going on there (hell, look at india's growing space industry for one example) and sooner or later, those people are in for a shock. Also, I will note before I go and sleep, I am by nature a pessimist. I'd rather assume the worst, and be found wrong, than to loudly bray about how the future is going to be rosy, and discover its far worse than predicted.and that includes the potential for china and india rising to the top, and seeing our position decline when I'm in an old folk's home, because I didnt act sufficiently now.
>>64297675you know, I'm pretty sure there are vampires out there with more self-reflection than you.
>>64297360They literally built it based on toys and scale models.
>>64297705Sorry you got called out on your bullshit in less than 10 posts. Try harder next time :))))
>2000: They can't afford carriers.>Mid 2000s: They can't maintain carriers.>2010: They can't build carriers>Mid-2010s: Lol Copeslope.>2020s: They can't build EMALS carriers.>Mid 2020s: That EMALS doesn't work.What's next in the slippery slope cope?
>>64297545>That Top Gun soundtrack L(MAO)!
>>64297655Yeah between the first post and this one you're a wumao. I can tell in the fuckin dumbass phrasing you chose. Go tell Xi you're a good little faggot.
>>64297703I could absolutely see them still forcing the Taiwan issue, especially as their older generation seems to me a good bit more invested in seeing it done, I just think that even if they win it would exhaust them enough that they can’t really capitalize on it and it really halts their momentum. That goes doubly if they lose, I think their best move was to actually do nothing like they like to pretend they do. They’d be in a much better position if they hadn’t painted themselves as an adversary and kept that late 90s-early 10s status quo. Indonesia I agree looks to have all the makings of a strong regional power if they can get their shit together, I just don’t know enough about them to say how likely that is or isn’t. I find Indians in India to be much less worrying than Indians abroad. Looking at what they’ve done to Canada in just a decade troubles me. Their model of soft colonizing a country through mass immigration under the guise of cheap labor is more effective than any armed invasion and occupation in the last century. Worse still it appears far more permanent. I’d say I’m a pessimist also, I’ve just been dooming about a different bad outcome. China and India aside, I worry what the post 2050 landscape looks like if automation doesn’t completely kill mass immigration to western countries. 25 more years of Indians being exported around the world would make them internationally far more powerful than they’d ever get through conquest, but likely also leaves Africa as the last place to source bodies for cheap labor. I don’t think they’d manage to be as organized as the Indians, but their disorganization and chaos is perhaps more destructive in the long run. People in the West needed to have more kids a generation ago, but I don’t think any nation has succeeded in reducing the birth rate decline long term.
>>64297360Why do you care if their carriers suck? Your enemy is weak and incompetent, so there's no point in worrying, right?
>>64297727>mid 2020s: china hit the wall and will only decline from now onwards>>64297818it's mostly a bait/containment thread to draw wumaos into here and prevent them from shitting up the rest of the board.
>>64297360What in the AI slop
>>64297509>Americans like OP are complacentChina building shit has nothing to do with the US
>>64297516Ok Chang your pp small
>>64297509>>64297516>>64297655>>64297705Ok Chang
>>64297661fpbp
>>64297655dude lmao your seethe exposes you so hard
>>64297727They can't maintain flight ops due to inexperience/things breaking. It doesn't matter, we're never fighting China in a conventional war.
>>64297655>getting this buttmad over a simple 'wumao'Kill yourself chink
>>64297516Implessive posting.
>>64297516>people are still posting tiananmen square, thinking that it was an anti-democratic revolutiontiananmen square literally started as a protest against black immigrants - seriously, look it up
>>64297661Only the most deranged of fools believe in the Official Narrative. The chinese don't, which is why they just hoard forces and hope to suck America into an arms race, which they know America cannot participate in any more.
>>64297727>What's next in the slippery slope cope?You forgot "their carriers are smaller than ours". Since the chinks doesn't need to make panamax compliant carriers, they can make them considerably larger.
>>64297360Thanks chatgpt.
>>64298289That’s not chatgpt, that’s retardpt.
>>64297509>>64297516>we so implessive, prease panicok chang
>>64297438Why would the US want to launch J-35s? As long as the crack slit is smaller than the aircraft tires it doesn't matter. Just like their eyes.
>>64297695thirdie tourists visiting /k/, yes.
Mandatory video for aircraft carrier designhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIjvNCFXCjs
>>64297360Learning process for domestic system.
>>64297360is it really that hard to make non-shitty steel and a steam powered catapult? this sounds like 19th century technology
>>64297545why is the chink-aganda piss yellow?
>>64302372you know OP is retarded, right?
>>64302416its chink pov
>>64297360>Why are chinks praising it again?because an execution van will show up to their home if they don't
>>64302173>Ford>F-35C About that...
>>64297360>While some were quietly achieving the historic integration of EMALS with a 5th-generation carrier-based fighter, all others could manage was the embarrassment of a carrier commissioned seven years ago still failing to replicate the featThe Chinese call this form of cope "to mask humiliation with laughter."
>>64305093Chinks should all die simply for making such a disgustingly flowery language
>>64305093>quietlyIt's very discreet when you release it all over state media and get everyone to spam every single platform over, indeed.
>>64306117>what is DVIDSGet a better cope please.
>>64297360>The Chinese lack the technology to create strong, reliable steel pieces.Stopped reading right there. Whoever wrote this knows less than nothing.
>>64307016Because a content distribution platform is the same thing as organized media campaigns. Didn't even know what DVIDs was before you bought it up, that's how niche it is.
>>64306085How's a basic description of cope "flowery" exactly? Christ, american education keeps setting the bar lower.
>>64307043>their government CDNs are evil propaganda our government CDNs are based documentariesYou breathe with that mouth boomer?
I like how the low effort shitposting OP still causes massive butthurt to the chink shills days later
>>64307072Of course you hyperfixate on the single thing that makes sense to you and single out words for your argument. Clearly the spamming all over didn't happen because why would people on this board and other platforms be complaining about it?
>>64297703>Indian tech developmentCan I get a QRD on this?
>>64305093>>64306967>>64307016None of this chinkshill howling will make china less of a shithole
>>64297360>The Chinese lack the technology to create strong, reliable steel pieces.China has probably the most experience in the world at working with steel right now. They're the best at it, because chances are most steel you've ever seen in anything made their century was made in China.
>>64311409*this centuryautocorrect
>>64297360That's what they want you to think. All warfare is based on deception. Appear weak when strong and vice versa
>>64312129This is certainly a new cope contradicting everything that the state media does
>>64312142I'm a Flip, and even if the enemy is weaker, never underestimate them. Remember Afghanistan?
>>64312147The people making decisions don't underestimate them. We can because we have no impact on those decisions.
So China is shit after all
>>64297509>incapable of acknowledging the development and progress they are makingcopying more advanced designs. Implessive. >>64312129"attack your enemy when you know you will win and he will lose." - Sun TzuThis man was considered a chinese military genius for pointing out the obvious. Is there a modern equivalent for the bug people?
>>64312170sun tzu was all about not underestimating your enemyglad to see that the goyfodder are all still arrogant after getting their shit rocked by some goat herders and some malnourished rice paddy farmers in some tunnels
>>64297761There is an incredibly based and red pilled use of women that whites should adopt.
Dear Diary,Today, I witnissed a thread from /k/ as it was and should be. I will enjoy it as long as I can before the infiltrated moderation turns its baleful eye on it.From anon.
>>64312315/k/ mods are heavily biased Americunts though
>>64312190the fact that simply saying "Dont get too complacent, or someday you might discover you aren't number one" leads to the fucking knuckle-dragging idiots of /k/ instantly leaping to the conclusion the people saying that are Chinese, and then acting complacent while parroting the most idiotic thought terminating clichés is... Well, I would say its pathetic, and the worst part is its so utterly predictable. the complete lack of self-awareness is baffling.
>>64312520The moderation infiltrators have censored threads for the CCP before. When a chink military ship hit another chink ship, they censored every thread covering the event.
>>64312520Nope. Not American. Just standard leftist from reddit
>>64307044>How's a basic description of cope "flowery" exactly?Fucking retard
>>64297620You've got to consider the time it actually takes to build the carriers and the fact that its a moving target. Assuming no major delays the US will have 3-4 Fords finished by the time the first 004 is completed. Given this is their first nuclear carrier, they are apparently going for EMALS, and the more minor things like how they are aiming for 100 aircraft (10 more than the Ford can carry) and 110k tons (10k tons more than the ford) which to my just sounds like them trying to pull a 'you but better' that will probably fail. They are supposedly planning to make 4 Type 004s which given the time it takes means that 20 years for Type 005 is not happening (unless they scale back Type 004 and it ends up just being another iterative design before THE REAL design in the Type 005 or whatever it ends up being).
>>64297474>Both penetrable by modern tank cannon roundsThe M1 has literally never lost a tank duel lmfao
>>64317066you'd have to be braindead to think that the chinese are trying to do anything other than achieving local naval security/superiority.essentially force the us to park 5~6 carriers (maybe more) around taiwan.also it might be presumptious to assume that they're being used to project power at all - they might be more so "mobile airfields that's slightly more survivable than fixed land airfields". It's essentially using the sea as a way to make airfields more survivable, as opposed to a way to transport an airwing anywhere they want.
>>64297360https://youtu.be/1E_cturILNA?
>>64297509America didn't have almost a hundred years of already existing aircraft carriers to look at and copy design elements from.
>>64317612Nobody cares, chinkshill.Go ram some more friendly ships.
The Chinese are good at copyright infringement, campaign contributions to vermin like Clinton, and mass-production of steel that can be snapped by hand. They _can_ make quality material if they really want to, though. The thing the Chinese are really good at is cannibalism. During the Great Leap Failure - I mean Forward - tens of millions starved and in some regions survivors described swapping corpses so that families would not dishonor themselves by eating their own relatives. That's powerful stuff. They created a system of ethical cannibalism and implemented it on a scale even Africans could not match. Chinese cannibalism tech has advanced over the decades since the Great Leap, but they are shy about it. Why do you think they do little things like ban skeletons and blood in video games? (Dead bodies lying in white puddles instead of red sends an entirely different message, but that's OK.) China wants people to forget, to become complacent. An army travels on its stomach, but the Chinese army IS its stomach. By dedicating itself to killing and eating the people of an invaded territory it greatly simplified the logistics of any operation. 'Genius.
>>64297360
>>64317612Mover, Gonky, and Wombat going into detail about how much they copied Americans is not the praise you think that it is. >>64318128you can see the American carrier pitch up in rougher seas which makes it look like the F-35 dips lower than it actually does. Seeing how escalators and manhole covers take out so many chinks, I can only imagine how many that carrier will eat.
>>64318128>chinkshill thinks that if he just passive-aggressively spams videos that try but fail to prove some propaganda point, that people won’t know that he’s seething.Your very existence on this board is proof that you’re angry lol, no need to shill here if we’re all happily clapping along with your metoditchka.
I thought the Fujian had cracks on the deck? So how are they performing flights ops on it?
>>64318452bumpily
>64318452>another passive-aggressive postyou can tell exactly who he is lmao, he is extremely scared of direct conversation
>>64318311They went from mocking It to defending it being conventional, because the USS John F. Kennedy was a CV and still capable of power projection
>>64319039i don't really care what they did, because the reality is that conventional carriers are in every way inferior to nuclear ones in terms of power-projection and general efficiency. why is this so important to you that you made an entire thread about it?
>>64317122China wants to be the big dog eventually. Global hegemony means that sooner or later they’re going to have to be able to kick around obstreperous thirdies and America has shown that the fastest and cheapest way to do that requires blue water aircraft carriers. The Chinese alternative to Pax Americana will forever be limited and hamstrung, if they can’t at least contest the seas beyond the range of their land based aircraft. And that’s it. Either get big boy carriers, or be Uncle Sam’s bitch forever (yes, I will ignore the possibility of instituting a novel approach to securing ocean trade routes because nobody’s come up with one in the time since the British Empire)
>>64297509>being a trailblazer trying out things no one has perfected yet is the samething as repeating mistakes made by other people 80+ years ago.
>>64297620>Do they? How man Chinese navy officers have sailed onboard a US, British, French, Italian, Indian, or any other carrier? I wager, the answer is close to zero.Why would you need to serve on an aircraft catrier to know information you can find on wikipedia?
>>64319332Why do you need to learn to swim when you can just read about it?
>>64297360>DCwhat the fuck? did the chinks just forget 100 years of electrical innovation? why in god's name would they choose DC for this?
>>64317122You can't have local naval superiority while someone else has global naval superiority.
>>64319349Because it is a superior system *in theory*
>>64302416pollution from the mainland
>>64319340Even if you have never seam before you should know that wearing lead swimming trunks is a bad idea.
>>64319369Very true lmao
>>643176125:56
Would EMLS, does the USA even have anything that superior to China now? I don't think we do.
>>64313460So, Jewish, then?
>>64320348>we
>>64320839Well the "Hamas Lives Matter" kind
>>64297545>saves shitty chink propaganda mp4 on his computer and posts it like its implessiveTurd worlders are so funny
>>64297655>PING PONG FONG WU JAI MA CHING CHONG!this nigga PP smol
>>64320890IMPLEASSIVE
>>643208900.028 yuen have been deposited to your account.
>>64320982Very impressive and superioahtah happa steel
>>64320982>>64321009>inb4 nrooo!!! rhis is orldd vidreo!!!! china 2025 is stronk!A Chinese skyscraper was the only building to collapse in Bangkok during an earthquake earlier this year.>Investigations revealed substandard steel from a Chinese supplier (Xin Ke Yuan Steel) and other irregularities, leading to arrests.
>>64321028Imao. Why would some retard trust steel that you can bend with your bare hands
>>64319351do you understand what local vs global meansthe houthis are keeping one carrier (maybe 2) in the middle east at all timesone or two get moved around for emergencies like venezuelathree or four are under service at any timethis means the US has about 4~5 supercarriers (and equal number of normal carriers, maybe a couple more) to deploy to the pacific at any timethis essentially means that if they can get 2 more carriers going, they can achieve local parity without going into land based assetsrealistically they'll need another 4 or 5 because they're not puccians who enjoy the prospect of having a floating kutznetov, and the fujian is likely a testbed for domestic shipbuilding more than any thing else.>>64319168>China wants to be the big dog eventually.Why? They're not that dumb.
>>64321255>counting venezeulawe only have the iwo jima there so if you wanna count those we've got 20. 6 in service/replenishment, 6 in training and 6 on patrol, then we have another 2 after that doing whatever.(currently this amounts to 7 Wasps, 2 America's, 1 Ford and 10 Nimitz') As of the 22nd a Wasp is off the coast of Venezuela and the Nimitz is in the ME. That leaves the Ford in the North Sea wishing Russia would fuck around, 1 America on the US west coast, 1 Nimitz on the east coast, and then 1 of each in Japan. On the 15th there were 3 other Nimitz on the US west coastas of August 18th there was another Nimitz on the east coast.so in the last month we've seen confirmation on 6 Nimitz, 1 Ford, 2 America's and just 1 Wasp.
>>64297655You didn't bother reading past "wumao", did you?
>>64321657No, they want to keep on believing in the narrative that they totally are not being taken seriously by the people in charge because some anons hurt their feelings.
>>64318452it was made to still work even with some chinks on the deck
>>64312540/k/ is mainly americans, for obvious reasons, and a running theme throughout american history is rampant seething phobia of any runner up state even if it's allied japan in the 80's making really good record players
>>64297509>seething replies to this Yeah we're fucked, resting on your laurels and dismissing any potential future threat because of your own arrogance is literally the type of shit they already tell us about in childrens' fairy tales and evidently it'll continue to be a lesson for future generations.
>>64322934
why do americans believe in magic competence of their military/industries? >>64321242?anyone can bend rebar by hand
>>64317066>and 110k tons (10k tons more than the ford)The chinks are not limited by the panama canal so they can sizemaxx their nuclear carrier. Carriers become more useful the larger they are in an exponential manner so this is a quite powerful passive advantage.
>>64297661>In 2045 the young generation of new Chinese fighting men will be one half the size of their father’s generation and one quarter the size of their grandfathers’, assuming they maintain their current ~1 birth per woman.By 2050 America is projected to have 500 million inhabitants (up from the current 360-380 including illegals and their offspring). By 2045 85-90% of the 30 years old cohort will be non european in ancestral origins. Most of the new americans will be sourced from India. By 2100 America is projected to have 1000 million inhabitants, while China is down to 800 million or even less. By then euroamericans will be approximatively 5% of the total population, afroamericans 30%, indian-americans 55%, asians 1%, rest mixed race. America will definitively win the demographic race with China.
>>64323058Dumb nigger, CVNs have never been able to go through the Panama canal. You think that maybe going bigger was something that the USN had half a century and a dozen CVNS to think about and didn't consider it for several really good reasons?
>>64319091Have you told the US Navy about this when they fought Desert Storm with 6 carriers, 5 of which were conventional?:USS Saratoga (CV-60)USS John F. Kennedy (CV-67)USS Midway (CV-41)USS Ranger (CV-61)USS America (CV-66)And only 1 was nuclear:USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71)
>>64323200Notice how he got btfo in previous threads yet still brings up his same points as if it'd be forgotten >>64305308
>>64323042Yes I'm sure your happa happa chang Chen xi lo steel can be bent by hand.
>>64297360>The Chinese lack the technology to create strong, reliable steel piecesbro? america can't even rebuild the baltimore bridge. China produces around 50% of total world production
>>64297545>they're in Mexico nowdios mio...
>>64311409Well last i heard the chinks were still struggling with the metallurgy required to produce home grown jet engines; something about growing each fan blade as a single crystalline body and milling it into shape that gives it the enormous strength and durability needed in modern fighter jet engines. All of that being something the US has mastered three decades ago and supposedly even the Russians have figured out to some extent.Just because they pump out high volume doesnt mean they are capable of producing niche high quality materials. Getting 90% there may get you close but it doesnt get you across the finish line.
>>64323042>why do americans believe in magic competence of their military/industries?because they've been brainwashed by propaganda for decades to the point they don't even see it as propaganda any longer, all while having their education go to shit, and a binary thinking instilled into their culture. net result is, even the tiniest negative commentary about the US' military will instantly be drowned out by thought-terminating clichés>( R. J. Lifton's definition>The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliché. The most far-reaching and complex of human problems are compressed into brief, highly reductive, definitive-sounding phrases, easily memorized, and easily expressed. They become the start and finish of any ideological analysis.>>Thought Reform and the Psychology of Totalism, Chapter 22: "Ideological Totalism" (1961))In here you see it with the "implessive" "ok Chang" "wumao" brigade, who are unable to comprehend the idea of someone being objective about the US, and therefore instantly leap to the terminating conclusion they _must_ be Chinese. The very idea that someone can make an analytical critique of either in any sort of unbiased fashion is literally unthinkable. Any criticism must be a Chinese agent, to satisfy their terminal thought. their thought process (or what little there is) is that everything is 100% Good, or 100% Bad, with no in-between. Murrica Good. China Bad. The idea that something is ever anywhere between the greatest ever most powerful freedom-Merkins' wonder creations, and dogshit tofu-dreg chinesium that will fall apart if looked at is, again, unthinkable. Its a side effect of the education system, and the decline of critical thinking.
>>64325473You think you laid it out but truth of the matter is that people are just fatigued from disingenuous spam on this Tongan bamboo fish trap forum.
>>64325473why did you reply to yourself?
I can recognize the mistakes/lapses in my nation's own military (and want to see them fixed), while still praising where it excels. If there were any actual Chinese here, then they could do the same. Instead, we're all subjected to retarded spam about how some other nation is suddenly better because of a few carefully selected clips. Posted by beings that just want to shit up discussion and incite flame wars. As if carefully selected footage proves operational competency and strength.
>>64297425Your yellow bitch hate to fuck your little china dick.
>>64297474>Carries 200% more MG roundsIsn't Abrams combat load 10k rounds of 7.62?
>>64325591I looked it up. It's 10k of 12.711,400 of 7.62.I refuse to believe the Patton carried twice that and from a cursory search it actually carried thousands less of each.
>>64325554If you're not trolling there's almost no china Chinese on 4chan. Captcha doesn't work there. And they obviously don't speak the language natively. They have their whole other internet they spend time on.
>>64325427They've apparently figured that out with the WS-15 engines. It is not controversial to say that they're probably at least modern in performance and manufacture, if still behind what America can do.
>>64325616That's why he said "if there were any actual Chinese here", at least I assume.90% of China Strong posting is from *other* countries that just want to dunk on the US and use China as their proxy for that
>>64321028Lol, my favorite bit from this incident was the Chinese contractors getting caught red handed trying to destroy evidence of their corruption during the construction. They literally tried walking out of the site with mountians of binders and paperwork from their trailer after the building collapsed. Workers and policed asked them "Wtf are you doing?!" and they were promptly arrested.
why are you all obsessed with china
>>64297360This thread again? Is this the third, fourth iteration of it within a week and a half?
>>64326381There’s a small dedicated group of contrarian failed men on from nu/pol/ that consistently spam chinkshill threads every single day, there’s another fresh one up right now.
>>64326374Why are chinkshills obsessed with china?Literally multiple chinkspergs spamming every day but if one thread is made making fun of them suddenly it’s a problem.
>>64322934From my own perspective, you can add atop military factors an inability to politically adapt to the inexorable changes every society, and the world at large, experiences over time. The Russian Empire, for instance, failed time and time again to reform. Instead of recognizing changing tides and proactively pushing things in a more (to the status quo) benign direction, they violently repressed opposition and refused to compromise a little to save the whole. Despite uprisings and famines and moderates being alarm bells all around them, for decades, there did not exist the will and energy within the political system to bring forth sufficient change. So the ship of state inevitably crashed into and broke on the waves of history.Much the same can be said about the situation preceding the French Revolution, and I worry I'm perceiving similar phenomena today, in places. A functioning and successful society cannot be built on a baton, but on conditions where the vast majority go to work every morning without even a silent complaint. All too often I sense so many are blind to everything but the former.Shit sucks, man.
>>64326374dead mod
>>64326374China's obsessed with Taiwan because they feel a bit cucked by Other China existing immediately off their coast while aspiring to be a superpower. So we'll fight them when they invade that independent democracy, because we are unironically the good guys.So the world is all hyped for a #1 and #2 superpower showdown in the pacific.The home team stands are packed with American fans, and the opposing team is cheered on by everyone outside the first world, I guess lately probably just everyone outside of America.Obviously China would be a worse hegemon but look at domestic politics, people just hate the other side and only care if their own can fuck up the opposition.
>>64323120The exportation of the English language and of American culture, while disastrous for 4chan, has effectively secured American dominance for at least the next 100 years
>>64323120It's impressive african americans manage to more than double their proportion while being below replacement level and the population growing in absolute terms
>>64326515There's likely to be quite a lot of emigration from the continent of Africa over the next 100 yearst. actuary
>>64325616>>64325916Chinese government employed internet shills exist, go fuck yourself.Can't gaslight a man.
>>64320982I miss LiveLeak.
>>64297509I'm genuinely starting to believe that the ok chang posting is false flagging designed to lull other retards into complacency. Christ, Russia just walked themselves into a quagmire because they under estimated a foe, why make the same mistake? So what if China staff doesn't live up to the hype? All that means is we get another F-15, if we take it seriously. Conversely, if you underestimate them and it turns out its not all for show you get fucked.
>>64297509I support this post. We underestimate the Chinese at our own peril.
>>64326538My nigger, you're gaslighting yourself by living in denial of China. It's not the 1980s. They're not a plucky thirdie backwater struggling to develop. They're the biggest industrial superpower on the planet and you're out here shitting on everyone without terminal complacency about it. You're an American vatnik.
>>64321028Based cameraman keeping it in frame the whole time
>>64321028
Mutts and its bootlickers in full cope mode.
>>64328339This is a dam made by actual people, but way to telegraph your greatest fear>chink construction
>>64325473IMPLESSIVE
>>64327342>Seething wumao.Very impleassive engineering. Very impleassive suppa powah
>>64325473Words words words of a ping pong ching chong, taken from others, and attempting to sound intelligent
>>64328084>Posting a 2019 video Try again filthy slink eye chinksectoid
>>64328379>hapa "han">calling anyone a muttkek, you make saaaars look white you silly monkey
>>64328084>>64328339>I-I'm n-not angry, you are!!!Congrats, you found a well documented incident from 2019 that was all over national news for weeks because that shit is so rare. Implessive. Now let's see the statistics.
>>64328614Implessive! It took you 45 minutes to find 4 incidents over a 15 year period!
>>64326454>Obviously China would be a worse hegemonnot sure about that, because china would probably be weaker than prime USA and thus less hegemonic
>>64329020China cannot into soft power which is a fair part of that equation. Just take media for an example:Music - bigass social media platform to algomaxx yet they cannot evolve past being a meta cycle of dance trend>remix>death within 6 monthsBooks - Every good one has jack shit to do with ChinaMovies - Every good script goes to hollywood and the rest are fed to SEAmonkeysGames - getting there actually, monke game is the best example, gacha slop is big but borrows the anime theme from the Japs entirely.General PR is the worst cause of their whole dumbass face culture. There is no 'Chinese pastime' that can instantly come to mind like it does with Burgers. Also who the fuck wants to learn chinese lol
