How the fuck did his neck stop a 30-06 bullet? It should have punched clean through. Any ballistics experts care to weigh in?
>>64297644uhh didnt you hear? he drank a lot of milk so he had strong bones, a man of steel, it was a miracle. Stop asking questions
In the slow motion doesn’t it look like it hits the top of a chest plate and into his neck? I seem to remember seeing that on here
>>64297644Most likely hit his spine.
>>64297644What’s this guy’s name again?
>>/pol/
>>64297644Watch the video in slow motion with a basic understanding on biology.It clearly hit the spine based on the jerk he does and that likely redirected either out his back or into his torso.Wait for the full autopsy if you actually care, believe retarded shit if that's what you prefer.
>>64297662>>64297667this is unironically the official story >>64297653, that his neck caught it, not his spine, and that it was a miracle
>>64297667Yeah and chuck’s spinal vertebrae stopped the bullet in its tracks because he was secretly a space marine and had bones of adamantium
>>64297673"Official" I've heard this before.
>>64297660"I frames" produced by mixing the data of two frames turned a shadow on his chest from shift folds into a black spot for 2 frames.It's been common tech in user grade cameras for nearly 2 decades.
>>64297653>>64297673>>64297676I don't consider a Turning Point press release a real investigation.
>>64297644Does it matter? He's dead. No amount of arguing ballistics changes how dead he is.
>>64297660No
>>64297667How mentally fucked am I to get aroused by the gruesome detail of someone's death, the specific of which spinal cord got severed, and me imagining the feeling at that instantaneous moment of nerve being severed? How long did the consciousness last? Can rational thought and realization of danger be formed during that moment? How the mind comprehend it's going to be extinguished within seconds?Fuck me those HD footages certainly didn't help preventing my brain from running wild.
>>64297644Spalling.>notices bulge>OwO what's this>0.36" Steel plates
>>64297745>arousedNot at all anon, just someone that has watched enough combat footage the human element doesn't get in the way of observing the mechanics of it.>feeling at that instantaneous moment of nerve being severedMy best guess would be like an electric shock with involuntary movements.>How long did the consciousness lastSeconds after hitting the ground at most, with blood draining from his head we would have passed out fast.>Can rational thought and realization of danger be formed during that moment? How the mind comprehend it's going to be extinguished within seconds?Who knows, there were tests on those decapitated by guillotine and they could respond with blinking and lip movement for ~6 seconds which would feel pretty fucking long when your head is severed.
>>642976441. The round likely struck one of his vertabrae and either fragmented on impact or ricocheted off it and wound up somewhere in his chest. If that sound improbable to you, know that even though .30-06 has well-earned reputation for being a powerful round, like all bullets, it will deform upon contact with any hard surface and that redirected energy will do very strange things.tl;dr see >>64297667>>64297660If it had ricocheted off Kirk's body armor (which he didn't appear to be wearing), it would have most likely either missed his head completely or reentered through the top of his chin and wound up in his skull.>>64297673>this is unironically the official storyThe sole source for this is Andrew Kolvet who is a spokesman for Turning Point USA and a personal friend of Kirk so I would hardly call that the official story (by which I mean the narrative that will be entered into court records). The most likely explanation is that it's-A complete fabrication to add more mythos to Kirk's death and paint him as some sort of superhero-A wild misreading of what the surgeon actually told him and Kolvet is just attempting to cope by making sense out of the senseless murder of his friendIn either case, this wasn't a miracle, it was ballistics doing ballistic things. Kirk did not prevent the death or injury of additional bystanders (no one was standing behind him and you can clearly see that in the footage taken just before he was shot). He was pointlessly murdered by a subhuman who had his brain poisoned by the Asiatic racial disease known as Communism and it's a simple as that.If you want to make some good happen out of Charlie Kirk's death, hunt down and kill every last follower of Marx like the animals they are, unironically.
>>64297799Kirk wanted to keep all Epstein pedophiles safe because his daddy was the number one on that list. He was a pedophile protector and most likely one himself, why else would he do such thing?
>>64297799>Asiatic racial disease known as CommunismInvented by jews
If it hit his spine, why did he go decorticate instead of decerebrate? Decorticate suggests brain stem activity but no cortical activity. We'd expect cessation of all activity if his spine were hit.I think it went in entered his neck and went into his chest cavity. The decorticate posture was due to hypovolemic shock and the shock wave traveling through him
>well known political activist for white supremacy doesn't wear any body armorAre white people this fucking dumb?
Looks lile his neck stopped the bullet the same way refineries stop drones. Simple as.
>>64297821>Kirk wanted to keep all Epstein pedophiles safe because his daddy was the number one on that listWhat are you even blabbering about? Look, I never even fucking liked Charlie Kirk because he was a grifting zigger, but I'm not going to make absurd accusations about him either.>>64297745>the specific of which spinal cord got severed, and me imagining the feeling at that instantaneous moment of nerve being severed?Probably brief moment of sharp pain and not much else.>How long did the consciousness last?He was unconcious before he even hit the ground, the blood loss alone would have guaranteed brain death within 2-3 minutes at the most.>Can rational thought and realization of danger be formed during that moment? How the mind comprehend it's going to be extinguished within seconds?Not really. Like I said, he probably had just enough time to register the pain and loss of feeling below his neck before all that blood gushing out the wound deprived his brain of oxygen needed to maintain consciousness.>>64297763>Who knows, there were tests on those decapitated by guillotine and they could respond with blinking and lip movement for ~6 seconds which would feel pretty fucking long when your head is severed.You're probably thinking of Dr. Gabriel Beaurieux's report in 1905 where he literally caught a decapitated convict's head in his hands. Needless to say, his instruments for measuring brain activity were somewhat limited (literally just calling his name and watching to see if his eyes responded) and beheading isn't really a thing anymore outside of Islamist shitholes so we can't recreate that experiment with more modern equipment.
>>64297880>Dr. Gabriel Beaurieux's report in 1905They also decapitated birds in 2003 while attached to EEGs and found brain activity lasted 60 seconds but couldn't tell when consciousness ended.It's birds so who knows how relevant it is as our brains need a shitload more energy.
>>64297729But the more poeple talk about it the more he can be used as a distraction from the Epstein business
>>64297745>How long did the consciousness last?It didn't. Even if we assume that his spine doesn't come into it at all, he'd have had a fraction of a second of shock and adrenaline and maybe some brief, coarse sensations (impact/pressure from the bullet, lack of motor control, etc.) before the acute hypovolemia turned his lights out. For all intents and purposes aside from medical nitpicking he was dead before he hit the ground and I would be amazed if anything that we would recognize as a thought passed through his mind. Have you ever been woken up by some dickhead throwing a bucket of ice water on you? Imagine that but only the first half-second or so. It's a jumbled mix of adrenaline and a few sensations - loud, cold, wet, etc. - as your body enters autopilot before your brain gets its hands back on the wheel.>Can rational thought and realization of danger be formed during that moment?During that moment? I doubt it. However, that's not necessarily the case for all traumatic death. IIRC the heads of some people executed by guillotine have been seen to show signs of consciousness for a few seconds after decapitation and between that and EEG studies of decapitation in mammals I believe that consciousness persists briefly after a clean decapitation and that something that would pass for cognition may be possible.How the mind comprehend it's going to be extinguished within seconds?The same way it would always do so? I'm not really sure what you're asking here.>>64297909Kek.
>>64297821I thought he wanted the list published, and thats why they killed him?
>>64297644Good thing the guy didn't target the head. Bullet probably would've bounced and killed a fireman or pediatrician.
>>64297992This is so fucking retarded, these grifters lie as easily as they breathe
>>64297992I cant tell if this is satire or not
>>64297992The bone density comment sounds like a troll
>>64298006Why are you here if you're a dishonest antigun faggot?
>>64297660why aren't these stupid shills getting banned?
>>64297644Some bozo gets whacked and along with him died what tatters remained of your sanity. Utterly out of touch with reality, all of you people.
>>64298034People always have to make conspiracy theories about anyone even vaguely famous getting killed.He didn't deserve the laundry list of presidential honors slapped onto his death, that's what makes this so clownshoes. People die every day, some rl shitposter finally getting a crazy reacting to his actions isn't the decade's greatest hero.
>>64298007>>64298014nah its real
>>64298048>Kolvet
>>64298032>sad because friend gets killed for calling troons men>fuck youOK retard
>>64298054>implying
>>64297745>ow mentally fucked am I to get aroused by the gruesome detail of someone's death,Very, now take your meds and go to church.
>>64298097>and go to churchAre you trying to get anon shot
>>64297975You people are literally insane.
>>64297992This is so incredibly retarded
>>64298014what, you don't know about the rotational velocidensity of bones and how kirk was super special and could tank .30-06 without getting any fractures?
>>64297644IT WAS A MAGIC BULLET, JUST LIKE THE ONE THAT KILLED KENNEDY, STOP ASKING QUESTIONS GOYIM.
>be me>come to 4chan>worried about the opinions of foreigner enemies, 12 year olds, and the retardedUnironically.
>>64298299More people showed up to his memorial than did for President Kennedys. He's already a legend.
why are conspiracytards always so insufferable on a baseline level
>>64298299Americas Horst Wessel.
>>64298305A lot of it is intentional well poisoning
>>64298304There's more people now.And they are much more mentally poisoned by the existance of the internet.
>>64297644>How the fuck did his neck stop a 30-06 bullet?It didn't, watch it again, blood starts pooling at the back of his neck
>>64298304Human beings are retarded
>>64298299>user has been deported for this post
>>64297673Miraculous, but not enough to survive... wonderful lol.Bullets to weird shit, maybe he had a high expanding hunting round in there. kek or RIP bullets.
>>64298334>>64298343Cope however you must.
>>64297992>this wouldve punched through 2 mooses!>but his bones, they were just so strong that he stopped the bullets!!!Where do these retards come from? How does this guy have any money at all?
>>64298334>And they are much more mentally poisoned by the existance of the internet.I'm not super political but Kirk and that whole memorial is quite "normal" politically. I'm old enough to remember when Obama and Hillary ran on marriage being between "a man and a woman" during the Dem primaries in 07. The pyrotechnics was unbecoming tho.
>>64298388>The pyrotechnics was unbecoming tho.Did they shoot him out of a cannom or something?
>>64298393they had those sparkler things which would go off when people came on the stage. When Erika Kirk walked on stage you could see she was not impressed with that shit.
>>64297644We never saw the back of Charlie's head after the shooting. For all we know it exploded out the back in a spray of gore that didn't show up on low-res cameras because life=/=hollywood.
>entire premise of thread is on how a bullet should have behaved in your mind, as if that is the only option>still asks for ballistic expert inputWhy are you like this? Did you mom drink when she was pregnant with you?
>>64297644His upper spinal cord did a good deal of work here. Watch the video and see the rapid involuntary snap he does. That's heavy cns damage. If by some miracle he didn't bleed out he would have been a drooling veggie.
>>64298447Reality is what i perceive, you are subject to my mind
>>64297663Chuckle Merked.
Is there any answer to the video which shows the black speck hitting his chest, deflecting, and then causing the neck injury? Was it AI or something? What was the deal with that?>it would explain why the bullet got lodged in his neck as it expended its energy on the initial impact.
>>64298489More likely just a result of shitty cell phone cams than anything else. Frame by frame doesn't help if the phone does any kind of motion stabilization.
>>64298447midwits gonna midwit
>>64298042youve never seen what .30-06 does to soft tissue, have you?
>>64298554You probably haven't either. Ballistics vary wildly from scenario to scenario. Why would you just lump all '06 together? Was it FMJ? SP? You cannot definitively say>This caliber bullet will behave exactly like this in all cases, regardless of any other factors beyond this baselineand expect to be taken seriously.
>>64298536American politics is just a big sports game divided into two opposing teams to keep the (fucking stupid) plebs divided and arguing.Its only gotten worse now; partly due to the effects of social media, either passive or focused to that end.
>>64298034this past week has really driven home for me that there's a very sizable portion of our society that have had their brains completely microwaved by being online too much
>>64298587It's only going to get worse and worse as time goes by.
>>64298587We've never had more exposure to more conspiracy theorists than now. Unfortunately it's not the autistic-but-probably-on-to-something types that flourished with the JFK whacking and had basements filled with red string arrangements types, but the schizo channer retards we've all become familiar with since the late 00s that see kikes in their bathroom sinks.
>>64298536phase 2 files in 2 weeks. now go watch hellfire blasting some boat or get angry about kimmel idk :^)
Someones had a meltie and gone crying to the authorities.
>>64298604there is a massive difference between the guy who has OCD, 'tism and a triple digit IQ spending many of his waking hours trying to unravel a government plot (real o otherwise) and some fat social reject looking to blame anything but himself on his failures that has to vent by digitally vomiting onto basket weaving forums after his retail shift.also there's the verified state actors and brownoids with smartphones just stirring shit up as they are prone to do.
How many conspiracies has this thing spun up? I'm finding the freakouts rather hilarious.
>>64298621>it was Israel>it was trannies>it was a DNC hit>it was antifa>it was the GOP>it was a ricochet of a plate>it was a camera gun>it was a wrist gun>it was a second sniper>the guy debating him was in on it>the crazy old guy was in on itAnd my personal favourite>campus security are such an elite force they had to be in on it because no way they didn't see him
I’ve found 30-06 stopped in muscle of a deer. So this just isn’t even that crazy to me at all. If the bullet expanded and struck his spinal column, the idea that it didn’t exit doesn’t seem absurd to me.
>>64298058>/pol/ screenshotthere it is
>>64298648Given it hit low (neck instead of head) and didn't overpen my money is on old ammo with reduced muzzle velocity.
>>64298334>>64298343>everyone is stupid just not me
>>64298554Post a picture of your hunting rifle or any trophy you've bagged you LARPing nigger
>>64298583>>64298614>he fell for the epstein files and bush did 9/11
>>64298669>>64298676>>64298688
>>64298621>>64298644>For the past ten years /pol/ has been talking about how leftists are psychotic, schizophrenic freaks who will eventually resort to blatant political violence >Psychotic schizophrenic leftist commits blatant act of political violence >They immediately start making theories that this has to be some sort highly elite Mossad operation because no one could sneak into a public venue and shoot a guy from 200 meters
>>64298554let me reveal to you a huge secret that the shooting community has managed to keep suppressed for over a century. don't tell anyone now, okay?
>>64298713This in particular has been driving me fucking batshit. How long have we been saying that colleges are a breeding ground for marxist bullshit that gets pushed onto impressionable kids by ivory tower academics, that they were becoming increasingly radicalized, and that they were screaming for blood so they could finally live out their 1960s revolutionary LARPing? This FINALLY HAPPENS, and it's suddenly unbelievable. I just don't fucking get it.
>>64298644>it was a ricochet of a plateI thought this was just a shitpost and wasn't being seriously peddled....right?
>>64298733I'm sorry anon, an average IQ of 100 means half the population is double digit and 2.28% of the population are legally retarded. Yes, 1 in every 50 people are retarded.
>>64298729>I just don't fucking get it.don't worry, they don't either. all they want to do is rail against an accepted narrative, being the reactionary subhumans that they are
>>64298587This week did it? Not the years of Qanon shit?
>>64298579>You probably haven't either.yeah, I've never been hunting and seen a bad shot with a .30-06 on soft tissue before. 41% yourself. its as glowniggered up as the paddock incident.
>guy dies>but it didn't blow a hole out his back>it's a miracle!These people are genuinely retarded aren't they?
>>64298847Post hunting rifle
>>64298713>>64298729I've been saying this for a while: /pol/ and other groyper enclaves are being manipulated (if not run outright) by left wing elements. This is generally accomplished by exploiting their anti-semitism and directing it toward desired targets.
>>64298892>left wing elementsLol you are as dumb as the groypers, the left wants socialist economic policy so people can afford homes and families. That's it, that is what the average leftist wants.
>>64298902exceptionally lazy b8
>>64297678A plate seems like the most likely explanation of the physics, but bullets will do seemingly inexplicable stuff sometimes so maybe it hit his neck and disappeared somewhere in his body.
>>64298902The average left, or really the average any-man no longer exists when trying to talk to people, everyone is either a full blown tranny trying to groom children, or religious zealot also trying to groom children.
>>64298914I said average, not the kind the billionaries that own the media point a camera at to make anyone that wants to ban corporate ownership of residential property look crazy.>>64298923See above, the people both media owners agree are "rational centerists" are those that want to cut corporate taxes, cut public spending and increase national debts.
>>64298923Non-crazy people exist, anon, but they don't do crazy/stupid shit thus they don't stand out. Mentally ill attention whores don't represent the general population.
>>64298902The average leftist is a starry-eyed superfan of Luigi Mangione and openly wants more of their political opponents to be murdered.
>>64298536>>64298583>>64298614being a third-worlder must be hell, like legit hell.
>>64299006I'm pretty extreme left and instead of killing you wish you could understand that the deregulation of capital markets since the 80s is why shit is so bad now.Every major party in the anglosphere is brought and owned by donors which is why all of them keep cutting income and capital gains taxes for the rich while passing the tax burden to the working class with consuption taxes like sales tax and tariffs.They will insist that taking care of kids is a waste of money while subsidizing the resource sector to the tune of hundreds of billions.I want your kids and my kids to both own a house in their early 20s, have kids by their mid 20s and grow the population so immigration can be stopped without social security collapsing.
>>64297799>If you want to make some good happen out of Charlie Kirk's death, hunt down and kill every last follower of Marx like the animals they are, unironically.
>>64298922>A plate seems like the most likely explanation of the physicsplenty of photos already prove he had no vest/armor/plate
>>64298922You're an actual retard.
>>64299006>Luigi Mangione… LE BADMaybe brian thompson shouldn’t have denied coverage of necessary health treatments to thousands of UHC customers to increase shareholder value if he didn’t want to get shot in the back three times
>>64298644>it was tranniesA soon to be tranny with a tranny partner did it, so this one got pretty close.
>>64298922That's his earpiece wire going wonky after the impact knocked the earpiece outta him. You can literally see his nipples through his shirt. What plate are you talking about?
>>64299153There are photos that clearly show he is not wearing armor earlier in the day, however that does not preclude him from having up armored at some point.>>64299274I was just thinking how often I get called a retard here based on some of the earlier posts and was wondering how bright the people doing it were. My iq is actually pretty high.
>>64299082>>64299279>uwu alll we want is equity for everyone~>oh btw murder is good when we do it and we get to do it whenever we wantCute. Go tell it to the /pol/tards (after you tell them health insurance is run by The Jews, of course).
>>64299006Most people give absolutely zero fucks about some richfag, who's only credible skill is not giving a fuck about people getting shot. It's richfags themselves who were harping on about it like the fuckin' Apocalypse started. What is it with dumb fucks defending motherfuckers who make money by dicking them over? Russians get their oligarchs whacked all the time by the FSB, you don't see them complaining. Luigi still gonna go down for murder, but noone gives a fuck about that suit getting ventilated.
>>64299289Well ofc he has nipples on the plate for concealment.
>>64299308Do you know what armor does when it's hit? If he had any shred of intelligence he'd have ceramics, which do not ricochet, or if he was retarded he'd have AR500 plates, which would not neatly deposit an intact bullet into his neck but shred it with a ton of spalling.B quiet, let people who actually have a modicum of knowledge on the topic speak, and perhaps even learn something in the process.Also, spot guns.
>>64299308>I was just thinking how often I get called a retard heredamn you think you should consider the possibility you might actually be a retard? worth looking into!
>>64299339gee I wonder if there's any consequences to emboldening murderous communists, like any recent events or anything
>>64299345How insensitive of me to forget that Kirk was an avid Batman Forever fan.
>>64299308>guy goes to an event and just decides to slap on a heavy-ass plate in the middle of itWhy are you stretching this hard to defend your dumbfuck theoryJust go home man
>>64299308>earlier in the daythe photos are literally from seconds before he sits in the chair
>>64299337Murder is always based (when it's being done in support of my specific political views)
>>64299366The Luigi guy had an actual gripe with the guy he shot. The kid that did in Kirk was some terminally online nutter who thought that shooting someone for the lulz was a good idea. None of them are "communists".
>>64299006For a mere $0.90, Luigi instantly generated savings of $10.2 million for United Healthcare. Why wasn't he elected to the board again?
>>64299524Underfuckingrate post right there.
>>64297644But when i make the same thread i get a warning
>>64298811fukkin dead
this is the most retarded psyop of the year
>>64299892Yet. Most retarded psyop of the year yet, anon.
>>64298175I recognize I'm only supposed to laugh after somebody has given his wife a facial with a sledge hammer.That's apparently very funny.
>>64297839yeah, Jews are asiatic, thanks, we know
>>64297799based. once again, the anne frank guy is the only sensible poster itt.
>>64297745All that is normal except for arousal. Are you seriously aroused by graphic murder footage, or are you just being edgy? Did you mean “stimulated” or “excited?”
You're all sick people. I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all. I put a curse upon you all. Fuck ya mudda
