Assuming that the technology of the Martians matches with the original war of the worlds(Tripods, heat weapons, black smoke etc), and this takes place in 1905 what options do you have ?>Artillery ?>Early Aircraft bombs ?>Naval warfare only ?Hard mode: No using disease or Martian biological vulnerability to Earth
>>64298186Didn't they manage to kill some tripods with 1899 field artillery?
>>64298186Field artillery heavily dug in and protected by earthworks and crewed by men wearing gas masks.
Use cover like trenches, foxholes, and ruins to target the legs with infantry carrying sticky bombs.
>>64298186Artillery worked, kinda. The Martian tripods were knocked out several times by field and naval guns. The problem was the tripods moved too fast to be targeted at range or via indirect fire, so they had to be taken in ambushes. The Martians adapted by either gassing likely gun emplacements, or heat ray-ing warships. Traditional gas masks were ineffective, but some sort of closed breating system would probably work. So equip gunners and sappers with diving gear.Ultimately tho, the human forces were terribly overmatched, and it was only going to get worse, as the Martians were in the process of assembling flying machines. So the most effective resistance to the invasion would have to take place at the landing sites. Just rush the capsules with whatever can be mustered. This is the one instance where indirect fire would work best, as we know they have a heat ray to defend themselves at close range, but are immobile and can't reach past line of site until they build a tripod.
>>64298192they knocked one out, but the rest quickly adapted with flanking maneuvers, since the warmachines were as fast as trains>>64298195>>64298214trenches dont work, the heat ray simply vaporizes them inside the trench
>>64298186https://youtu.be/grn_asj4dwEGotta hand it to the Brits, they make some of the best military history/doctrine content on Jewtube.
>>64298186>Naval warfareI like how the one good thing that came from the relatively recent BBC series were pre-dreadnoughts taking out the tripods. Wish got to see more of that.
>>64298186Dig in anti walker land mines everywhere.
Does the heat ray have the width and sweep to allow for a wide-area attack?
I shoot them until they die
>>64298186Krupp was already building U-boats, a clever admiral could definitely use those to land a sucker-punch or three in concert with the demonstrated (relative) effectiveness of pre-dreadnoughts.
>>64298186>takes place in 1905 what options do you have ?Sneeze upon them. Read the book.
>>64298186>what options do you have ?Build a whole new life... UNDERGROUND!
>>64298316Man, 50's and 60's scifi sucked.
>>64298231not noted in the book, because the beam is invisible its hard to seebut it is effectively an area-attack anyways because it can re-acquire targets quickly and zap a whole field of targets without issue
>>64298326But anon, We'll build shops and hospitals and barracks right under their nosesRight under their feet!Everything we need, banks, prisons and schoolsWe'll send scouting parties to collect books and stuff, and men like you'll teach the kidsNot poems and rubbish, science, so we can get everything workingWe'll build villages and towns and... and we'll play each other at cricket!
>>64298387OG unnaground posting
>>64298326Prettiest girls in London
>We have to form an underground resistance against the martians.>mfw the Germans start to dig underground cities.
>>64298186With an Ironclad of course.
Use atomic bombs, no not the ones we have but the ones in H.G. Wells' 1914 novel, "The World Set Free".
>>64299528Delivered by Land Ironclads
>>64298626The pretty girls are for us to have and you to never comprehend.Now go away and fetishise dentistry like a good American. ;)
>>64298186There would be no way to defeat the Martians, as H.G. Wells designed their technology from the outset in such a way that humans would have no chance against them with their military technology.
>>64299780I think H.G. Wells just like Jack London used his writing to advocate the use of biological warfare.
>>64299916No, quite the opposite. War of the Worlds is an analogy for British colonialism at the time and how ruthlessly it treated technologically inferior peoples. The book puts the reader in the shoes of the subjugated, defenseless natives. The moral of the work is ultimately very simple and actually quite obvious: be nice to those who are weaker than you.H.G. Wells was pretty woke, huh?
>release niggers into the wild>the aliens consume niggermeat>on top of the common cold they now also have AIDS and occasionally ebola>invasion halts after the first day
>>64299963Oh I know I was just pointing out how both War of the Worlds and Jack London's "The Unparalleled Invasion" wars end with one side wins by unleasing a terrible plague on the other.
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>>64299987I don't know The Unparalleled Invasion. But in War of the Worlds, it wasn't humans who were able to do anything against the aliens, but the germs on Earth that the aliens from Mars couldn't see through their telescopes. I think Wells made it too easy for himself with this deus ex machina, but I see that humanity had to survive somehow, yet at the same time was not allowed to bring about the solution itself.
>>64300023Thats mid 20th century technology goofball.
>>64298186Pretty much artillery.
>>64298186THERE WERE SHIPS OF SHAPES AND SIZES
>>64298186The Tripods were never depicted as being particularly tough, so maybe a larger number of smaller, fast-firing guns doing shoot and scoot tactics would be more effective than heavier artillery bombardments. Other than that maybe huge numbers of pressure-sensitive mines daisy-chained together to go off at once. Even if they don’t destroy the legs outright, they might just disrupt the ground enough to trip it and make the Martians a lot more cautious about approaching cities and fortifications
>>64300315I too was thinking that a light cannon would be both maneuverable and perhaps able to do damage with AP rounds if relatively light caliber HE can knock them out
>>64300334The trick would be finding the sweet spot of rate of fire, range, and damage dealt. Once you start firing, you’d better knock the Tripod out before it cooks you. 50-75mm ought to do the trick, but it would have to be modified to traverse and raise quickly, because Tripods are pretty fast.
>>64300315>>64300334>>64300400*Pom Pom intensifies*
convert steam shovels to SPGs
>>64298186meshes of cable fields smoke and vapor screens, arttillery once they are in the killzone
CAM ON THUNDERCHILD
>>64301216And maybe a giant bowling ball while we’re at it
>>64298186tripwire shotgun trap except it's 16 pound field artillery hidden in brush
>>64301292BLAST SUM FACKUN MARTIANS
>>64298186Ram the fuckers
Could the heat ray camera be destroyed by concentrated small arms fire or shrapnel? It probably couldn't be armored, and it likely has weak spots like mirrors or lenses.
weren't the martian invaders actually the surviving soldiers of the losing side of a civil war on mars?
>>64298186Lure them I to areas restricting their mobility, or use flooding and man made bogs to immobilize them, the heat ray has limited range, if they are immobile, dreadnaughts and artillery fire can still hurt them by area bombardment. You can also try defence in cities and detonate mines under the streets, collapse buildings etc. Finally the cylinders are immobile, you can create storm groups that try to destroy them by dynamite, chemicals or just harass them.
>>64298283> 8500 tons> 11" belt> 21ktsisn't this basically a mini-battleship by standards of the day? I thought torpedo rams were more like destroyers but with beeg ram.
>>64298626Wierd how the future is just hot white shorties. Looking forward to it!
>>64300042contrary to the popular misconception that the germs were a deus ex machina, bacteria felling the martians is setup within the story itselfit was the movie adaptation where the bacteria killing the aliens is like that, doubled up by the fact that the aliens die right as the protagonists are praying in churchbut in the original novel, it is noted early on that humans grow complacent over their mastery of the natural world only to be humbled by the even more technologically advanced martiansin turn, the martians are implied to see themselves above the natural order, so much so that they no longer have any conception of microbes or sickness, which is why earths biosphere kills them, they literally forgot about bacteria another thing to note is that the aliens are actually running away from mars because they have no water left and didnt expect the local wildlife to even fight backthis isnt an invasion, its a bunch of brains on legs whothere is a good chance those arent even soldiers, and the warmachines are just the martian equivelant of technicals the book even tells the reader not to judge the martians too harshly, because the humans would have done the same thing in their shoesin a moment thats pretty hilarious to modern readers, the martians successfully colonize venusat the time the book was written, venus was believed to be closer to prehistoric earth because it was closer to the sun, and warmer and wetter compared to mars being colder and drierthen we sent a probe to venus and discovered it was as close to hell as it could getif the martians could survive on venus, then earth should have been literally no issue
>>64298186The thing about the Martians is they are very beatable by early 20th century weapons on paper (artillery and ironclads can defeat them), but in practice because much of the doctrines and tactics all the way up until WW2 emphasized the use of infantry and Martians have heat rays and fully mechanization of their military, it's pretty much impossible once they get a solid foothold.Yeah, you can shell them but they'll just develop bunkers and wait you out. Good luck trying to assault their positions.>>64298214Black smoke will fuck you up.
>>64298186Adapt Scarlet Traces plz.
IMO HG Wells missed a natural sequel of "WTF will the MARTIAN's microbes do on Earth???"They weren't a factor in first story because they were mostly sealed in the battle bots, and had to adapt to Earth before spreading.
>>64298186Perchloric acid (H2S2O7) synthesis was commercialized by the 1890's. Minimally stable enough for use as an emergency anti-tripod weapon, yet also the most caustic chemical then known to man and still among the top 10. If heated, it also has the terribly useful habit of oxidizing almost anything it touches and then exploding. A useful warhead is therefore light enough to be delivered by "dynamite gun" or kamikaze biplane, in addition to mine or VBIED methods.>O'Connor Electro-Plating plant after workers mistakenly insert improper (reactive, plastic-coated) rack into a partially filled 200 gallon acid bath, which promptly detonated>17 people killed, 150+ injured>The facility, 25 other buildings, and 40 automobiles were destroyed, with 250+ nearby homes damaged.
>>64302427Mars had no microbes, or at least no dangerous ones, resulting in an atrophied immune system and no motivation to enact biosafety protocolsIts implied everything on mars has a weak immune system, because the red weed starting dying on its own before the martians didMartian microbes would have been annihilated the moment they meet stagnant water
>>64298186ShitliterallyThrow shit at them
>>64302427it was reverse colonialism the colonists were wiped out by the virus
>>64298186>How would you realistically do something unrealistic that will never happenThese threads are so fucking tiresome it is unreal. Seriously, you make the unhinged non-stop Ukraine shill threads seem worthwhile. Fuck off, and go ask your reddit fag friends about zombie attacks.
The Bio-Tripods will once again invade the Earth, approaching humanity as a source of useful vegetable oil, summoning blinding rays and attacking with poisonous tentacles.
>>64302442Sorry, meant HClO4; initially considered fuming sulfuric acid, great stuff as well but even harder to directly weaponize and impractical to synthesize in pure form (pyrosulfuric acid) with early 20th century techniques.
>>64301325>tripwireI would just string piano wire between trees. We have a lot more piano wire than they have tripods. Flying machines would be harder but I imagine that, when the tripods are all taken care of, we can use the leftover wire to form giant nets and swatters to catch them in the air. Alternatively use hot air balloons to hoist piano wire with hooks into the air, and have them anchored to the ground, so the flying machines crash when they snag. Or even just hoist paint cans into the air with small candle balloons that obscure the cockpit and blind them, inevitably leading to crashes.And so they were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. The hardware store clerk.
>>64302460I too, as a fellow soulless automaton, do not talk about fictional events
>>64302460Fuck off, this essentially identical absurd question is what motivated our /k/ancestors to theorycraft the Csaba Howitzer. Some of us appreciate the fun inherent to the challenge of identifying what could be achieved with 50 fewer years of scientific and industrial advancement.
>>64299528Those atomic bombs in that book were fucked and make the real thing look like a firecracker>it's a nuke but it continues to explode FOREVER
>>64301569HMS Polyphemus was the only torpedo ram constructed for the RN and she had a displacement of 2640 tons. Apart from the torps and the ram she was only outfitted with 6 1" Nordenfelts
>>64298219>Traditional gas masks were ineffectiveWe're talking pre WW1. Seeing as how the black smoke reacted with water, a soaked rag would already provide protection like it does for chlorine gas.>The problem was the tripods moved too fast to be targeted at range or via indirect fireMartians had no understanding of indirect fire and forward observers already worked well with heliographs.
>>64301569It's a fictional spec that's just wrong and no, that's still a pipsqueak compared to any battleship. You're looking at 15k ton displacements there.Anyway, Thunderchild time.https://youtu.be/4RRe40O6QKU
>>64301408That's just in the League of Extraordinary gentlemen because all the classic stories are true Mars is full with Barsoomians and other aliens and the Wells Martians are just a faction. >>64302453Africa before Quinine was like this, pretty much
>>64302460The jannies don't want you to know this, but the threads on 4chan are free you can take them home. I have 345 threads
>>64298186>heat weaponsit is interesting how the heat ray acts more like a real life laser than most movie depictions despite predating real life lasers by decades>fires an invisible beam, with a flash only at the muzzle and the target>no noticeable sound other than the mechanical parts of the weapon>non-organic material like water, stone, or metal are vaporized at the point of impact, causing a small explosion from the steam>organic materials catch fire or are burned to a crisp
>>64303141IR lasers are a type of laser and it is thermal radiation
>>64303141That's because lasers are basically heat rays but in films they want them to be Future Bullets™.
The thing that always made the book Martians more interesting and formidable than basically every adaptation was (ironically) their ability to adapt to what was thrown at them:Can't move in Earth's higher gravity - develop machines to allow them to move aroundWell prepared artillery positions can ambush them - develop chemical weaponry to saturate any possible ambush pointShips can destroy them because they're not used to large bodies of water - start building flying machinesIt's so much better than the "they've got invincible shields and nothing can touch them! My dad could beat up your dad!" bullshit we typically get.
Wouldn't a particle beam afterglow phenomenon occur with laser weapons?Searchlights and stage lasers have somewhat visible trails.
>>64301569It's likely that Wells heard about this new ship idea known as a torpedo ram, though it was the coolest thing ever, and decided that it was to be the hero of his story without any real knowledge about what it was or naval ships in general.
>>64302460>Mad that people on the weapons board are talking about an ongoing war>Mad that people on the weapons board are talking about how to deploy weapons in unconventional scenariosTell me, what kind of threads do you like?
What's more funny is how vastly more powerful modern militaries are than the Martians who were conceived of being thousands or millions of years older as a civilization. Modern artillery imparts vastly more energy to the target than a heat ray and is orders of magnitude more effective at penetrating armor. >>64302611It is sad how few faggots outside of American warmongers know about the casaba howitzer. Every Alien which uses a force field to stop tactical nuclear strike is treated as functionally invincible from that point despite a tank from the 50s having a similar capability. They never break out the thermo-nuclear EFP and see how they like the taste of 50lbs of tungsten plasma accelerated to 0.1C by a two hundred megaton detonation.Pretty much every alien force in fiction are total pussies compared to what could theoretically be deployed tomorrow given a need and infinite money.
>>64303362It's kind of obvious in hindsight that Wells knowledge of naval developments was a little behind current developments in naval technology. So the book was originally serialised in 1897 (written approximately 1895 to 1896) and set in ~1901 (or slightly later). Throughout it Wells regularly refers to warships as "Ironclads":>About a couple of miles out lay an ironclad, very low in the water, almost, to my brother’s perception, like a water-logged ship. This was the ram Thunder Child. It was the only warship in sight, but far away to the right over the smooth surface of the sea—for that day there was a dead calm—lay a serpent of black smoke to mark the next ironclads of the Channel Fleet, which hovered in an extended line, steam up and ready for action, across the Thames estuary during the course of the Martian conquest, vigilant and yet powerless to prevent it.Despite that term being fairly obsolete by the time (pic related for an example of a Battleship constructed during the time Wells was writing and placed into service shortly before publication)
>>64303336a background detail not really explored in the movie is that the martians werent conquerorsthey were forced off of mars because they ran out of waterthey believed humans to be pondscum that wouldnt pose any threat to them and were surprised that humans fought backthat we managed to take any of them down at all is largely because the martians just didnt expect to have to fight anyone at allthe 1953 movie is the reason for the big shift in tonethe sci-fi genre was much more established and modern weapons seemed so much more powerful, so the aliens had to be made resistant to nuclear weapons to seem like a credible threatthe death by microbes in the original movie was a thematic element, the martians thought they had conquered every challenge, they eradicated disease on mars before setting to earth, and their pride and hubris set them up to be humbled by mere microbesthe 1953 movie portrayed the aliens death by microbe to be a full on deus ex machina, if we ever meet aliens that advanced, only god can save us
>>64303393I still think you can have the escalation with just a few minor changes, by having the Martians deploy the shields after the first round of battles (they lose a fighting machine but at horrific cost) which then leads to using nuclear weaponry - and the discovery that the shields are invulnerable.Either that, or have the first nuclear weapon used by a Davy Crockett because they don't want to cause too much collateral damage
>>64303360most kinds of smokes don't block IR radiation, it just passes through them instead of lighting them up, something to do with wavelength
>>64303393Or instead of using an airburst against an obviously armored enemy which wouldn't even disable a Patton of the time, drop a nuke with a contact fuse directly into its stupid xeno face. Similarly in the remake back in 2005 you can see the tripods recoil when hit which indicates that momentum is still transferred to the target. So if you set off 60Mt nuke underfoot it would either 1) cause whatever machine is generating the shield to fly out of the tripod or 20 send the walker into orbit under 200gs of acceleration and reduce the Martians to a fine paste smeared across their own control panels. Long and short writers are libtards who don't love war and slaughter thus their implacable aliens are giant pussies.
Probabaly lots of oversized IEDs (aka burrying a ton of explosives somewhere and trying to lure a tripod over them) and trying to wittle their numbers down faster than they can reproduce.
