Sig Spear is washed. Lasers aren't coming. Caseless bullets perpetually "just around the corner." Realistically, what do we think future military guns will look like? My theory is this: Take any modern carbine/rifle, slap an MP-40 dual mag to it, half the bullets are anti drone rat shot, the other half (and the ones NOT chambered) are regular rifle bullets.
the future is AR15s
>>64306349Realistically it'll just be a guy lugging around an EWAR backpack and another a shotgun with some anti-drone shot loaded, and they'll ride around in a vehicle with its own EWAR and APS, until they're close enough to the enemy, and the only concern is that final few hundred yards they might have to cross on-foot.
>>64306349Future firearms will not use gunpowder to project the bullet, they have already explored this concept with rail guns and magazine fed crossbows but electro propulsion and string tension power are just the tip of the iceberg. As technology progresses more and more forms of energy storage will be discovered leading to more and more firearms being developed using all sorts of propulsion mechanisms. We could potentially see some very strange guns that use weird chemical reactions to propel objects or matter at high speeds.>Lasers aren’t comingLasers are coming. I’m sorry.https://youtube.com/watch?v=UBVlL0FNbSEThey already exist, you’re just not allowed them.
>>64306349Guns of the future will look like unreal tournament 99.Lasers, but also plasma cannons, standardised firearms as well as saw disk guns and some weird shit like the bio gunhttps://unreal.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Unreal_Tournament_weaponsChemical weapons are the fun one. We have barely explored the possibility of chemical weapons Have a look at the district 9 guns https://youtube.com/watch?v=05h8obWLCGw
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BXkssRDS25s
>>64306349Specialized ammunition types. Rocket weapons resembling gyrojets. Hard to say anon. All the things I can think of for the future of warfare are either stupid or don't have anything to do with guns specifically. It all has to do with drone, laser AA to shoot down drones and missles, anti-computer weapons, or have no real benefits over modern arms and would only ever come about because they are theoretically easier to make, like casting gyrojet weapon parts and ammo with low temp metals if your country can't buy or make conventionals for some reason. Shotguns, maybe. But that's just because I like them.
>>64306349>anti drone rat shotretardReal countries will just use EW assets vs drones. Only thirdies have infantry operating on their own without combined arms.You stupid fucking faggot.
Air is an extremely scary weaponI am dead serious
Conventional rifles:>High pressure ammo>Quad stacks>Constant recoil>Unified rifle/LMGUnconventional:>MP7-style assault riflesAnd a 1-?x optic with magnification toggled via tapeswitch.
>>64306498(me)Forgot to add:>holographic/digital round counter embedded in the optic, projected on the same plane as the reticle.That’s just stuff I want to see in guns, things I think are cool and useful improvements over extant guns/optics.
>>64306427not him but you are the actual retard; FN was showing off the fucking Winchester SX4 as DSEI, specifically mentioning them in the context of counting UAS. There were other firms with shotguns and anti-drone loadings as well.Shotguns are going to be an interim low cost solution for everyone.
>>64306349Guns have basically reached a technological plateau like they did in the musket era, where no meaningful improvements will be made to the basic mechanism for a few centuries.All the room for improvement now is in optics. The future is a scope that zeroes itself, has a built-in rangefinder, and (in a military context) incorporates data from networked drones to highlight targets and account for atmospheric conditions.
>>64306349We’re looking at AR15’s and AR18’s into the foreseeable future.
>>64306376>As technology progresses more and morebetween the demographic crisis, probable civil war acorss the west / ww3 in Taiwan, and the collpase in thinking skills among the young, etc, etc, the world looks like it's going into a tech recession into the future TRVKE
>>64306498if CT is finally adopted, a P90 layout would make more sense. Longer magazine = more bulit, and CT keeps the overall cartridge length (and thus mag width) down, while still leaving room for a slightly longer cartridge that does not get limited by the ergonomics of a mag in grip design
>>64306376What's the matter with gunpowder though? Sure, let's assume that 50-100 years in the future, sufficiently powerful batteries could be developed that would allow you to make a railgun the size of an M4. Why would you replace the M4 with all other metrics being equal? After all, you already have a mountain of them and similar conventional weapons lying around.Economics will dictate what the guns of the future look like more than the progress of technology will. I'd bet good money on the world of firearms resembling the Halo universe where you have huge leaps forward in terms of optics and HUD technology, but the weapons themselves are easily recognizable to anyone who owns a gun right now.
>>64306765Forgive my retardation - what is CT in this context?
>>64306765If CT works, the mag wouldn’t have to feed through the grip. Just place it in front normally and feed the cartridge backwards through the front of the chamber. The barrel length to gun’s overall length ratio will still remain 1:1But mag-in-grip would make a gun maybe 4-5” shorter with the stock deployed (LOP being equal)
>>64307093cased telescoped ammunition. Which is already mostly developed and could have been fielded for a while now if LSAT wasn't murdered. Recommended reading: Textron LSAT and NGSW patents: https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/31/32/d5/f24ac6ce2eabc6/US20230035677A1.pdfLSAT achievements: https://ndia.dtic.mil/wp-content/uploads/2009/infantrysmallarms/wednesdaysessioniv8536.pdfinterview with program lead, pt1 of 3 https://www.overtdefense.com/2017/03/11/interview-kori-phillips-program-officer-lsat-ctsas-part-1-program-history-ammunition-technical-discussion/
>>64306758Absolutely thisYou really thinking that technological progress will continue after whites become a minority in the west? We are looking at a couple of decades more of progress before the innevitable IQ drop plunges the world into a new dark age, it will take millions of years to recover this time, as evolution might eventually created the successor of white people, and if it doesnt its back to shitmud huts
>>64306349Depends on how far into the future. Kinetic weapons will likely dominate forever, there just isn't anything that matches their reliability. This includes shit like railguns and Gauss guns, but chemical propulsion is also exceedingly reliable and extremely energy dense. Don't forget that chemical propellants are also an evolving field.In the near future, we'll likely see the outcome of the nasecent high pressure revolution (+70,000 psi). Stellite-lined barrels and perhaps cooler burning propellants will allow for much faster bullets from smaller guns, but will require new barrel metallurgy. This will (hopefully) be combined with new cartridge case materials and form factors like NAS3 and CT. Rifles will be first in line to get these, probably on the military's request, and handguns/PCCs may soon follow.It's not too difficult to imagine. 2300 fps+ pistol rounds already exist, they just can't compete on price and availability. The field just needs a logistical push in the form of a successful military contract or significant angel investment.
>>64306625>SX4Not only the shotgun but the humble Turk shotgun to bootNonetheless the SXP/SX4 are pretty nice for Turks, reliable as all get out
>>64306349>what do we think future military guns will look like?a rifle that looks like an ar-15, like every fucking rifle for the last 30 years.>no but air>no but gauss >no butit'll still look like a fucking ar-15
>>64306376> weird chemical reactions to propel objects or matter at high speeds.oh wow really thats crazy how do you think that might work
>>64306384real chemical weapons will be a thing of the past. the future of the future will be self-defense viruses and virtue signaled EMP
>>64306641this sounds like the most likely scenario. modern guns are pretty effective at their purpose. i think most improvement will be in automation and optics. Imagine the most bad ass rifle a soldier could carry, and then put it on a stick with a box of ammo and it can find targets by itself in any light conditions. and instead of a soldier placing it it just gets dropped by a drone. and there's infinite drones doing the same.
>>64306349To imagine the future you have to look at the past and understand what the AR really was. A legit small arms revolution compared to the m14.>buffer spring and 62gr bullet eliminating recoil>very controllable even on full auto>5.56x45 high pressure flat trajectory>cartridge performs great at 11" to 22" from 5ft to 300yd>very light polymer parts>highly modular barrel length >20 at first then 30 round capacity>easy to replace gas tube designated failure partTo really replace that weapon you'd need a system that is just as much of a technological leap to justify changing the whole system that was built around the AR. Soldiers familiarity, manufacturing, supply chains, aftermarket parts. Especially considering the ever shrinking space of small arms warfare on the battlefield the next system would have to be another revolution to justify the effort.The only system that i can imagine that would replace the AR would be something energy based. >not any bigger or heavier than a standard AR>projectile retaining its full power at 300yd>requiring as little or even less maintenance as the AR>scope/sights not affected by a drop of 30ft>1 full battery charge lasts at least 300 full power shots>semi/burst/auto>just as modular as the ARI don't think a system like that is going to happen in my life time(god willing the next 40 years). I think we've already seen the next great evolution in infantry warfare - FPV drones.
>>64307667You can still do weird things with chemical propellants, like handheld light gas guns.
>>64306349Every single factor preventing firearms from advancing is related to heat diffusion and outdated propellants. Small arms cannot advance without better, more advanced alloys. Propellants cannot advance without better chemical science. Neither of these things can advance without better space and nuclear programs. Every single advancement in modern firearm technology coincided with nation's space programs advancing.
>>64306349The whole trigger mechanism will be replaced by a electrical based. Less mechanical parts are always better.
rat shot barely does anything at range and anti-drone firearms are retarded. they are entirely a morale-boosting device.
>>64308018>>64308095these
>>64306446imagine what could be acomplished if they put some sort of projectile in front of the gas ejection so it can have a bigger range!fucking retard
>>64308018the logical combo is an electrical firing sequence and a system like ARBEL fcs that locks shooting until the target has been acquired, then delivers the optimal RPM to ensure optimal amount of hits per time on target
>>64306349The idea is a less wacky version of this design. Yes, she is French.
>>64306376lasers require to much energy to operate at the rate needed for the average infantryman
>>64306359WRONG the future is AR18s (direct impingement sucks)
>>64306349500 years of 7.62 bullpups with ammo counters and smart scopes linked to a HUD
>>64310436>the future is AR18sprobably true>direct impingement sucksfalse
>>64307773He's making fun of you, idiot. Firearms already use a chemical propellant to fire a projectile.
>>64307021>>64311888Gunpowder can only burn so fast, the idea is to replace it with something else that can burn and propell a projectile further with the same amount of material.
>>64306376We are already working on this, it's called reactive materials. Pretty sure the first ones we developed were for explosive lenses and bridge wire detonators in nuclear weapons.
>>64311888I'm not the guy he replied to, and I acknowledged that the first anon's statement was a little dumb. Fag.
>>64311933https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrothermal-chemical_technology
>>64312626NTA. Does that have any use in small arms?
OICW but its canister rounds
>>64306349future is generic m4 with thermal/nv clip on
>>64306641polymer ammo would be nice, you carry more ammo with the same weight, there was competition to xm7 that had that ammo, forgot the name
the future has been cancelled
>>64314287It probably could. The reactive materials page seems to indicate you could maybe use nano-composite metallic foils has more energetic replacements. I'm sure some DARPA fag is hard at work on it.
>>64311933>>64306376We can already make gunpowder that is more powerful and faster burning than we need. The velocity of projectiles has not been a problem for a long time. Its the rest of the system where there's difficulty. Like barrel wear, recoil, noise. Which any replacement for gunpowder is going to have to solve.
>the only posts ITT that actually engage with the topic are ignored
>>64306349>How cheap can we make it?>let's shave $15 off of the production price>plastic, more plastic>like, walmart levels of plastic>recycled plastic>metal reinforcement tabs for the feed lips>can we make the springs out of plastic? why not?>metal springs, a bolt made out of plastic>the extractor is all steel, but it's the most expensive part>barrel life is 500 rounds
