What is? What variety, what variant? Also What the fuck leave bolties alone already.
probably a k98, judging by the furniture. probably wrong though.
>>64306594Are the retards really theorycrafting about one of the most popular famalies of bolt action rifles
>>64306594>What is? What variety, what variant?Either a Kar.98k or Yugo M48. Need to see a shot of it from the side to see the handguard length. M48 has a handguard that extends behind the rear sight to the receiver. The slot through the stock for a sling mount is used on relatively few Mauser rifles.
>>64306594Well the stripper clip posted by kash patel seems to be the clip for a mas 36. But it maaaaaaybe isn't 7.5x54 rounds. Hard to tell
>>64306594The Mauser seems to be the official gun of trantifa. Funny.
>>64306697Part of me feels a desire to use my Mauser to do something, if only to make everyone incredibly confused because my politics don't align with either shooter. It might possibly create an urban legend that Mausers cause their owners to go insane due to a chemical used in the stock's finish, much like how Arisaka wood will make you itch due to its finish if you sand it. Maybe that will finally drive down Mauser prices
>>64306713>Arisaka wood makes you itchThank God. I thought I caught the crabs again.
>>64306606Satan-in-the-hole numbers...The sling almost looks like a cloth USGI, no?>>64306650Yes it passes the time.>>64306683I much prefer the M48 for exactly that reason, it's a good place to hold the gun if you're autistic about skin on metal. Also a useful grip point in extreme heat or cold.>>64306697I don't like this turn of events, Mauser does not deserve this notoriety. >>64306713Well it certainly makes me want to buy more so the tards and libs don't abuse them like this.
>>64306594Where is this from? Anyway, some type of Mauser rifle. There are people who know more than me about Mausers in specific
>>64306776>Where is this from?current events. fag tried to free some illegals from ICE, killed the Illegals than killed himself.
>>64306594The stripper clip appears to be a turk 1 piece brass one , no way that commie got his hand on a german k98. Too expensive, probably a large ring turk carbine, maybe a really beat yugo (mine was a pristine refurb, but i've seen a few beaters). never seen a german variant that beat with dark wood
>>64306594Trigger guard makes it look like a Czech Mauser, seems awfully short too.
>>64306782Mission failed successfully.
>>64306782So some guy killed immigrants? Odd. Wonder who will be pinned for this
>>64306808>Wonder who will be pinned for thisantifahe tried to kill ICE agents. he accidently killed the illegals.
>>64306818We're entering the burger troubles aren't we
>>64306835yeah
>>64306835A particularly absurd variety. Tranny-buggering nu-male domestic terrorists were not on my Bingo card.
>>64306818>>64306782You seem to have cracked this case wide open, anon, I'm sure you have no agenda to shill>>64306776People that used to know him say the shooter was an edgelord>“I mostly stopped talking to him when he took his 4chan/irony stuff into daily interactions,” one friend told me. “He was becoming unbearable … once he dropped out of college he had no obligation to be social and none of us reached out due to his edgelord behavior.”I'm going to go out of a limb and say he was probably a /pol/ack
>>64306889Nice source. Also pol is full of leftys.
>>64306889>I'm sure you have no agenda to shillcorrecthe probably was a /pol/fag, it's infested with lefties over there.
>>64306683>Need to see a shot of it from the side to see the handguard lengthThe front barrel band and bayonet band look like they're stamped instead of milled, so maybe a late war K98k
>>64306835>>64306855One Xir's Gender Reveal is another Xie's IED. Really though, the troubles survival mindset is the way to act and behave now. Avoid crowds, and accept that violence can happen at anytime, anywhere (it always could, but now even more so).
>>64306844>>64306855It would be really cool if like we didn't just trip out over some grifter and one immigrant getting killed>>64306889>took his 4chan/irony stuff into daily interactionsIf he said desu or some shit in an actual conversation I'm going to raise him from hell and rip his balls off>>64306919I don't go to public spaces besides like the grocery store at all. My most recent edition to the field manual collection (which I have yet to read) may be handy soon. Only thing I don't like is my flak jacket is not super concealable unless I'm wearing a trench coat.
>>64306835Years of Lard
>>64306900>>64306915>lefties did this>pol is full of leftiesNo need to get so defensive. Edgelords are nihilists and nihilists have a strained relationship with politics. That's the true nature of the vermin that infests pol.
>>64306954> Edgelords are nihilists and nihilists have a strained relationship with politics. That's the true nature of the vermin that infests pol.I saw what was apparently a Reddit account (take with a grain of salt) and it was pretty schizo. Aliens and ivermectin stuff. There's a zoomer edgelord nihilist thing that makes no sense to me. With some of these guys I'm not sure you can even talk about a coherent ideology.
>>64306953Night Of The Long Fries
>>64306970Kek
>>64306954What Anon's obviously doing here is contriving a theory that fits their pre-conceived bias. They want this guy to be some apolitical person to preserve whatever Anon's personal politics are, so they made shit up to justify it and accuse others of bias.
>>64306835Most people who didn't live through it don't realize just how crazy the 60s up to the early 80s got in the US. It's heavily downplayed and almost never talked about beyond JFK, RFK, and MLK but it was rife with bombings, shootings, kidnappings, all kinds of crazy shit. Hell, one group set off a bomb in the US Capitol as late as 1983.
>>64306992NTA but there's a concerted effort by Republicans to tie this into the Charlie Kirk thing even if the only relation is that this guy wanted to commit suicide and he also gets in the news this way.>>64307017Yeah we already lived through the Burger troubles, the Years of Lard, etc. it just wasn't as intense as Northern Ireland or Italy in the 1970s. We're in a different situation with its own peculiar flavor of crazy.
> he was actually a poltard accelerationistI hope everyone's accepted that the supply of political violence is far lower than the demand https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/the-ice-shooters-motive
>>64307038There have already been multiple ice shootings by leftoid troons this year>I wasn’t able to find anyone with insight into Jahn’s more recent views, something that his friends said was unsurprising given his withdrawal from social life over the past few years. Amazing reporting from a -stein
>>64306992>you must believe what I say or you're bIaSeDI'm not obligated to form an opinion right away. It is FAIR to be accused of bias if you're spamming some canned conclusion without a shred of evidence. There are powerful interests that want to control the narrative, hence the volume of certain takes, despite the fact it has been less than 24 hours since the shooting.
>>64307038>accelerationistunironically worse than a leftist. I concede my earlier posts.
>>64306782>Literally wrote "ANTI-ICE"Next thing you gonna tell me is his copies of Sims 3 in his house
>>64307070>At a news conference on Wednesday morning, Joe Rothrock, the head of the FBI field office in Dallas, said that “rounds that were found near the suspected shooter contain messages that are anti-Ice in nature”>messages that are anti-Ice in nature>ANTI-ICE>verbatim, on just 1 bullet>inb4 ai-slopUh... just how low is the bar at the FBI rn?
>>64307038What did TF2 have to do with any of this>His hours as sniper led to him becoming the Dallas plinker
>>64307077>>inb4 ai-slopnow that I'm looking at it, you might be right. they look weird.>Uh... just how low is the bar at the FBI rn?it's been in the gutter for a while now.
>>64307082>Rust: 6804 hrs on recordI think we might have a lead
>>64307077>Jeet as directorDown the shitter>>64307084>ai-slopSaid jeet xeet'd the photo itself: https://archive.is/c6KLP
>>64307038>accelerationistwhat do they even want?
>>64307066>unironically worse than a leftist. Then what are the usual leanings of accelerationists anon, since they aren't leftists?
>>64306919your sling loop needs to be flipped to the other side
>>64307138>since they aren't leftists?Brenton Harrison Tarrant was one and the El Paso guy
>>64307111To make everything terrible because then that'll make everything okay. You have to subscribe to the mentality that civilization is strictly cyclical and that if you force a collapse you'll bring bad times that will make good men to bring good times>>64307138Accelerationism isn't strictly right or left, though it's technically more of a right mentality since more people on the right subscribe to the cycles of history narrative. However if you were someone with say, hardline communist views, then you'd support things like reducing workers rights and raising the cost of living to agitate a class struggle and give room for a communist revolution. That said, Tarrant was also an accelerationist
>>64307167>textbook far-right terrorists are leftistsLmao, what kind of revisionism is this?
>>64307198National Socialism is socialism
>>64307210If you say so
>>64307038Unreliable source. May as well be a reddit post. You're biased.
>>64307070Isn’t that convenient that he just happened to write on his bullets too
>>64307077>>64307257Weird cope projection from third-worlders (russians)
>>64307210National Socialism's socialism/economics isn't really left wing on the level of Communists or what is generally understood as leftist, and other elements of their ideology definitely aren't. They don't fit evenly into the left-right dynamic and there's a reason why they styled themselves as a third position along with Fascism, and why some of them nowadays envision their beliefs as "right wing socialism".
>>64307298What? How does make me Russian you retard?
>>64307257Woah! Its almost like people are copying a very famous very recent assassination that grabbed global headlines! >the spent shell casings left at the scene of the UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson's murder, where the words "deny, depose, and defend" were found
>>64307038>kenklippensteinAre we a joke to you?
>>64307336https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_KlippensteinHoly shit, this guy's a piece of work
>>64307331This one just seems weak or lazy
>>64307378Dude was a total loser. What do you expect?
>>64307257>Isn’t that convenient that he just happened to write on his bullets tooWriting banter on weapons has been a thing forever (fun fact: there are sling bullets from antiquity with shitposts carved into them) and IIRC there was stuff written on the guns on a number of mass shootings in the 00s and 10s but Tarrant really made it mainstream.>>64307378>This one just seems weak or lazyOh, definitely. This one is like a 3/10 tops.
>>64307384Crazy to think the phrase "bullet with your name on it" probably predates the roman empire
>>64306757no iron sights
>>64307384Also should the fbi director be tweeting this? Seems like a odd thing to do
>>64307415Its unfortunate but he is playing the game. After Kirk he knows if he doesnt jump on this shit the media will *somehow* spin this as yet another episode of MAGA terror or some retarded shit. Obviously, I would prefer we dont have to live like this. But it is what it is.
>>64307298absolutely mindbroken
>>64307384>Writing banter on weapons has been a thing forever>Usual banters: slogans, curses, jokes etc.>"Rajesh, write something anti-ice on the bullet ok?">"Ok, saar!">ANTI-ICEJeets couldn't even do false flag right.
>>64306889>>64307038>I'm sure you have no agenda to shillYou're pushing a narrative derived entirely from a single unvetted source that doesn't actually directly affirm or prove your claim while currently known information about the shooter's recent history, family, and online profile contradict this and point to the obvious likely conclusion. Who the fuck is shilling agendas again?
>>64307257crazy people write things on bullets>UHHHHH isnt it convenient that the guy who shot into an ICE facility wrote 'anti ICE' on his bullets?Yes, that doesn't mean it doesn't makes sense retard
>>64307384>Writing banter on weapons has been a thing foreverOne of my favourites was this one Aussie LAV-25 part of some unit called 'F' something or other was nicknamed 'Fortunate Son'. Some marines they were based near wrote 'It aint me, it aint me' across the front of it. I think they kept it on there for the rest of the deployment
>>64307400Is that a fucking penis on the bottom right?
>>64306594
>>64307070The only argument that this could be fake is that it's so lame, cringe, and uninspired that a sentient human being couldn't come up with it. That does not mean that the shooter wasn't a total retard capable of coming up with this idea, and as we know, he was indeed a total retard. >>64307505Roman artifacts and sites are littered with massive amounts of penis graffiti, spanning across the whole breadth of their history. There's known even examples that predate them. Time is a flat circle.
>>64306835Years of Lead-Poisoned Burgers.>>64306953Years of Lard is good too.>>64306962these fucks are like Ted Bundy; everyone wants to assign an ideology, and they will make it look like they had an ideology, but if you actually read between the lines and look at their background it becomes clear that they are just fucking batshit, looking for an excuse to act out and finding an ideology to justify it.
>>64306713>my politics don't align with either shootertheir politics don't align with each other, stupid. Electing to shoot three South American detainees instead of the guys in ICE uniforms with guns is a more deliberate and meaningful act than scribbling "my politics are anti-ice for real I fucking swear" on an unfired cartridge
>>64307554>Electing to shoot three South American detaineesHow would you know it's deliberate? We know nothing about how the attack went, for all we know it could have been an unclear/difficult shot, or he could have just been a dogshit shooter. You're trying to ascribe your own biased reasoning without clear evidence to something with a simple and logical conclusion.
>>64307554The shooting of the immigrants wasn't deliberate. He saw the ice vans and was a schizo dumbass troon who thought it would've made an explosion
>>64307554>Jahn voted in the Democratic primary in March 2020
>>64307554I've heard he took someone else's gunEven at close range, if he had no experience with a particular rifle (or any guns at all) I can totally believe the faggot legitimately fucking missed a target and hit something behind it.Especially if you're not used to big-boy rifles, where it will hurt firing them your first time; you get a sort of "fuck this, get it done" instinct where you'll take less time aiming and rush shots because your shoulder hurts.I haven't read much, did he have a scope or irons? Irons on these rifles tend to also be zeroed for long distances, meaning they'll shoot a little high.
>>64307579Only the yellow ones explode
>>64307505>Is that a fucking penis on the bottom right?Yep.Just imagine being able to kill someone by stamping a cock on them.
>>64307038>poltard accelerationistThen he did a fucking terrible job. >no social media profiles>no manifesto or video confession pledging allegiance to one side>FBI faggots had to write ANTI ICE on the case themselves with a ballpen>people describe him as "some weirdo">completely unprepared>no IEDs>anheros This dipshit didn't accelerate anything and he'll be forgotten by the weekend.
>>64307017TRVTH NVKE.people have been saying America is falling apart and collapsing since the civil war (you know, the civil war that actually happened and not this "someone said something mean on the internet" civil war.)
This is almost certainly blackpilled /pol/fag accelerating.
>>64307588Anyone can vote in a primary though. Like if you were wanting to false flag because you're a loser accelerationist, that's what you'd do. And scrawl some "definitely my motive" stuff on an unfired cartridge.
>>64306713This is what I expected the Kirk shooter to have. That guy has antifa leanings so he's literally imagining himself as an antifascist partizan from WWII.K98 and other German weapons were quite popular among them because that was available.> mom, LOOK!! I'm a real partizan fighting facial just like some people in Europe did 80+ years ago
>>64307525yeah but who the fuck just writes 'anti ice' on a bullet thats fucking retarded. not 'fuck ice' or 'acab' or something but 'anti ice'. is this guy fucking Jerma? who talks like that
>>64308188I just looked up the news story and it turns out this is like the 50th shooting at an ICE building since last month. Very much doubt it's the big event you want it to be. The only difference this time is how the perp royally screwed up his targets.
>>64308239Look at a picture of the shooter and you'll have your answer.
>>64308298Yeah I just checked and you're full of shit. There's this one and there's Alvarado that I can find.
>>64308381Just from reading some guardian article on the shooting I found like 4 instances of similar shootings happening last week.
>>64306889Fakest shit I've seen and I've been able to tell by the pixels since I was a wee lad.
>>64308397ICE agents shooting paintballs at protestors doesn't count.
>>64307525>time is a flat circleCounter-idea: socially, people haven't changed in the thousands of years of knowable history.
>>64308401No, it was people shooting at ICE buildings. Also ramming their cars or stopping them from arresting immigrants.
>>64308415So why not link to the article
>>64308429You really want me to link an article from the guardian?
>>64308429mate sometimes using the AI is not a bad thing. About all AI is good for is repeating information, in fact.
>>64307505>Is that a fucking penis on the bottom right?Yes. Phallic symbols were used for good luck and the like, or maybe it was just a case of>look MARCVS, benis goes in enemy :D>ebin :DDdMy favorite is the one that reads "SEDE", or "sit" in the singular imperative. Turns out the guy who PKs you for your spade in deep wildy is using bantz over 2000 years old
I am Chudly Neverscored from basement of mother oblast, I conform this communist anti-ICE shooter was of us and not left-birdarm
>>64307038>kenklippenstein
>>643084653 is very different to 50. >>64308447Yes, use archive if you really want to.
>>64307070>>64307077You guys are convinced that insane things don't happen because they're insane, but the poeple committing the crimes are also insane.
>>64308188>Um ACKSHUALLY IT WAS POL!!!!will you people ever give it up?
>>64308193>ackshually the suicidal loner has been carefully planning the attack and cultivating a derailed counternarrative for more than half a decade before making an abortive attack on a left wing bugbear and killing himself
>>64308188>almost certainlyFuck off retard, no one believes this shit. You have a single source simply suggesting that it may be possible, while all currently known evidence points to the opposite.
>>64308558Well if you must. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/25/dallas-shooting-ice-facility>The incidents were part of what ICE officials say was a 700% increase in assaults from “activists masquerading as immigrant advocates”.Oof.
>>64308599>reee Y wont U take off the MASKS
>>64308599>700% increaseOoh, big number. Wait a second, what was it before? Because if it was like 1 or something like that then that's 7. And we've seen videos of ICE doing shit like shooting paintballs at a chick in a wheel chair and then claiming she assaulted them. And we've moved the goalposts from "shooting at ICE facilities" to "possibly assaults on ICE personnel that may or may not actually be assaults, idk no clear statistics though sry!"
>>64307070What kind of surplus 8x57 comes with gold stripper clips? The Yugo and Romanian stuff I have comes with silver and gray clips, I haven’t seen the gold ones before
>>64307111>my specific ideology will be seen as right all along after everything gets shitty enough!is the mentality. think 'studied the blade' memeposts
>>64307070>this just in>we have images of the shooters belongings
>>64308656https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/24/us/dallas-shooting-ice-facilityRetarded troon
>>64308656Well the article I linked actually mentions the points of tension coming from ICE, so you don't need to tell me that. All I ever cared to point out was that OP's alluded to incident, though darkly funny, is ultimately a nothingburger that will be memory holed fast.
Just to make sure I'm on the same page:>possibility A: left winger tries to shoot ICE officers, misses horribly through incompetence then an heros>possibility B: right winger decides these particular immigrants need to die while being arrested, succeeds then an herosI see no reason why B is more likely than A
>>64308856possibility C: the feds groom another dysgenic porn addict moron into carrying out an attack they can use as political capital to push some agenda
>>64308801>https://www.cnn.com/2025/09/24/us/dallas-shooting-ice-facility4. So not 50 but 4.>troonGo back
>>64308871Bait.
>>64308558I put into google >how many times has ICE been shot at since january 2025I didn't ask it how many times in Texas.Trump deployed Nasty Girls along with the ICE agents in Cali because it was getting bad enough.
>>64308856But that's a misrepresentation of what people are saying. It's more like >possibility B: Psychotic /pol/faggot decides to shoot people AGAIN because the memes/accelerationism/the voices in his head told him to who fucking knows but it's not the first time/pol/tards have committed shit tons of political violence.
>>64308885>Trump deployed Nasty Girls along with the ICE agents in Cali because he wanted to capture another news cycleFixed that for youSo we're backing off from the "50 shootings at ICE locations" claim then?
>>64308889Yes yes, definitely not another leftwing schizo in a growing list of left wing schizo attacks over the past two weeks.
>>64308894>>Trump deployed Nasty Girls along with the ICE agents in Cali because he wanted to capture another news cycleNo. He did it because we're not having a repeat of 2020. He learned from his first admin. As soon as they said the Marines were going in things instantly started de-escalating.
>>64308856targets were apparently shot while inside a van, not clear what kind so we don't even know if there was any attempt at target ID, if target ID was possible, or if this was meant to be a suicide by cop. i fucking hate this news cycle shit, i'd rather hear what the fuck actually happened than have the articles be 75% speculation and opinion by volume.
>>64308894>So we're backing off from the "50 shootings at ICE locations" claim then?NTA but its quite lame to argue that "ha! you were being hyperbolic!" when we've now seen three armed attacks on ICE facilities in Texas. One of which involved a whole fucking fireteam. This is clearly a trend and clearly a serious fucking problem that the Feds need to come down on, hard.
>>64308874You're responding to multiple people and taking blatant hyperbole literally dumbfuckNow kill yourself nogunz
>>64308889>>64308896Strategy of Tension
>>64308896A growing list of... 2?
>>64308912Yes. Thats it. It must be the feds. It cant possibly be organic left wing terrorism. Because you're leftwing and that would mean there are bad people on your team and the only bad people are on the other team!
>>64308889Again, one has to assume just plain vanilla madness that goes against what they'd want anyway. Meanwhile its a lot less assumptions to say the guy was pro-immigrant and a terrible shot
>>64308909>NTA but its quite lame to argue that "ha! you were being hyperbolic!" 50 is a much bigger number than 3. > One of which involved a whole fucking fireteam>>64308910>blatant hyperboleSo it was a lie, right? A wildly inflated number designed to push an agenda?
>>64308889And of all the possibilities a /pol/tard could choose, he went with an ICE van? That sounds real retarded sir
>>64308917Three.
>>64308922False flags are only one part of the Strategy of Tension. There was plenty of organic violence during the Years of Lead that was still encouraged by deep intelligence actors and P2 types because it was beneficial to their plans, the same is true during this current Domestic Gladio / AmerIsraeli Years of Lead situation.
>>64308934>> One of which involved a whole fucking fireteamYes. https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/10-suspects-charged-july-4-attack-texas-ice-detention-facility>A wildly inflated number designed to push an agenda?Yeah, the agenda of "please stop doing terrorism".
>>64307038Hindustan Times tier source. The dude was shooting at ICE after the entire left has been going on about how they're the Gestapo conducting a superholocaust on random innocents. The simplest explanation is that the shooter was a schizo leftist who either stole grandpa's K98 or bought an M48 (still somewhat affordable and not a scary assault weapon) and did some praxis.
>>64308922>>64308882samefagging retardhave you ever considered that the feds groom leftoids too?>"anti ice"
>>64308941The zionists occupy your thoughts far more than they do the us government
>>64308941Refer back to my last post.
>>64308680Yugo. I got a can of M75 sniper ball years ago that came on clips and it was simultaneously the best and worst ammo I've ever used. Great on hogs but horrendously corrosive. I wouldn't be surprised if he googled "8mm sniper ammo" and then just bought it online
>>64308949>samefaggingYou clearly do not understand the meaning of this word. >have you ever considered that the feds groom leftoids too?Yes, yes. Extremists never do extremist things. Every extremist thing that ever happens only happens because the feds want it to happen. Its absolutely impossible that bad things could just happen, ever.
>>64308917>>64308936I wish my memory wiped every 3 weeks like you guys then I wouldn't have to remember all the stupid bullshit you people say
>>64308968Maybe I am being naive but I genuinely cannot believe that any amount of psyop could whip these faggots into enough of a frenzy to kill people when normally they would require the fire department to remove a spider from their room. Especially when almost all the violence during riots is done by spics / niggers / etc. and every one of these "shooters" that gets caught is a nerdy white kid (just like every other shooter almost everyone on 4chan agreed was a plant since columbine).
>>64308947>Yeah, the agenda of "please stop doing terrorism".Perhaps there's other people you should be talking to first.>>64308949Well if they are they're not very good at it, pic very related.
>>64308990>source: the ADL
>>64308995>It doesn't count because... it just doesn't ok!?
>>64308990First >ADL Pic related. Second, >there's other people you should be talking to first.Yes. All terrorism is bad. I have absolutely no problem admitting and saying that right wing terror exists and must be stopped by any means necessary.
>>64308999>>It doesn't count because... it just doesn't ok!?Yes. ADL is a hyper-partisan organization.
>>64308989Broken people do stupid violent things. >b... but 4chan said!No, schizos on 4chan said. 4chan is not one person. As soon as anons see schizo shit they generally ignore it. Because thats what you do, you dont feed (you)'s to schizos.
>>64309003>>64309006>Anything that reflects reality is hyper partisan!I'm sorry you guys can't stop telling lies.
>>64309019Yes, the ADL is a hyper-partisan organization who operate off tainted definitions. I understand that you *want* their graph to be reality, because that way the other guys are the bad guys and your team are the good guys. However, this is not the reality of the situation.
>>64309019You don't even own guns, nobody cares what you think
>>64309024>>64309025You have to prove it. Or give some other stats. I'm working with what I have.
>>64308952>>64308959Good morning from Peoria.
>>64309024>I understand that you *want* their graph to be fake, because that way the other guys are the bad guys and your team are the good guys. However, this is the reality of the situation.The cognitive dissonance inside your head must be enormous.
>>64309019These are really the best talking points Destiny's and Hasan's discords could come up with? Are you guys still going on about how the Charlie Kirk shooter was a groyper?
>>64309012No, the consensus on here for as long as I can remember is whenever a random shooting occurs where the victims are barely even related to the issue at hand (see: this fag shooting migrants to own le ice) it was a fed op. School shootings especially as there has been proof the FBI has let them happen a handful of times. This was only recently memoryholed by the newest batch of election tourists and feds trying to play up an agenda to get everyone to let congress pass the next "save le people" bill. >>64309024this guy is an obvious shill. nobody on 4chan would cite ADL in earnest, just call him a kike and move on anon
>>64309030Yeah, as soon as that shit got mentioned it was like, ah its that fucking goober
>>64309033I'm not even a leftist. I'm centre right normie and always have been. If I'm left of you, that's your problem and the problem of the republicans who have been steadily moving away from me into fuck knows where for 20 years.
>>64309019Yes. ADL is very biased and uses bad data. For example, one of their "right wing" killings>Santa Fe, New Mexico, August 6, 2024. Zachary Babitz allegedly shot and killed an 83-year-old man outside a big-box store in Santa Fe, New Mexico, before driving south to Las Cruces with a woman, where they allegedly robbed a fast-food restaurant and carjacked a vehicle before Babitz was apprehended. A week before the incident, Babitz had been charged with bank robbery. Babitz, who has the white supremacist numeric code “1488” tattooed on his fingers, recently joined the Asatru Folk Assembly, a white supremacist Norse pagan organization. Federal prosecutors have charged Babitz with carjacking and related crimes; state authorities also charged Babitz but later dropped those charges to participate in the federal prosecution.They defined a robbery/murder as a "right wing killing" because the perp was associated with neo-nazis. OR >Fountain Valley, California, December 2, 2024. Timothy Bradford Cole II, described by law enforcement as a documented white supremacist gang member, allegedly set fire to a bush outside a relative’s house in an attempt to catch the house on fire, as retaliation for a custody-related issue. Cole reportedly drove off when police found him near the home, but crashed into another vehicle, injuring two people and killing a third, Hong Ngoc Nguyen, a foreign exchange student from Vietnam. Authorities have charged Cole with murder, evading a police officer causing death, two counts of evading a police officer causing serious injury and arson of an inhabited structure.A white supremacist killed someone in a car crash, so they counted it as a right-wing extremist murder. Their shit is trash.
>>64308889>/pol/ is the only radical political community on the internet and twitter and plebbit haven't been riddled with calls for executing right wingers for the last 9 years
>>64309039You get paid to shill for the US government.
>>64309041>I'm centre right normie and always have been. If I'm left of you, that's your problem and the problem of the republicans who have been steadily moving away from me into fuck knows where for 20 years.This is a larp. >>64309032I previously said that right wing extremism both exists and is totally unacceptable. The issue here, is the use of a graph from the ADL. I may as well counter with Breitbart if we're posting partisan sources.
>>64309042I'm going to need to see some proof that those were actually included in their statistics.
The frantic, desperate attempts by shills online to pin this shooting on the right/handwave it as a total coverup is so fucking weird, it's like they're genuinely scared or something
>>64309036>No, the consensus on here for as long as I can remember is whenever a random shooting occurs where the victims are barely even related to the issue at hand (see: this fag shooting migrants to own le ice) it was a fed op. School shootings especially as there has been proof the FBI has let them happen a handful of times. This was only recently memoryholed by the newest batch of election tourists and feds trying to play up an agenda to get everyone to let congress pass the next "save le people" bill.No, that was schizo shit. Has always been schizo shit and will always be schizo shit.
>>64309054>the people pushing the official government / media approved narrative aren't the shillslol
>>64309045I fucking wish I got paid to post here. I get paid for other things I put off doing to post here, you fucking schizo.
>>64309053https://www.adl.org/resources/report/murder-and-extremism-united-states-2024Included in their 2024 numbers.
>>64309054they're about to be socially untouchable if this shit continues and they know it
>>64309055>>64309057the poster works for the US government
>>64309056>insane people never commit atrocities it MUST be the government!!!
>>64309056>it's all lies>until my side gets into power that isnogunstroontouristall of the above
>>64309056>be on /k/>act like schizo babble on ammo and guns isnt common
>>64309041>If I'm left of you, that's your problem and the problem of the republicans who have been steadily moving away from me into fuck knows where for 20 years.Which positions have the Republicans moved significantly right on?
>>64309063You saved my hand :D it astounds me how much I live in some random schizos head.
>>64309065I'm saying the government and its private owners leverage its control over the culture to create psychos. MK-ULTRA on a societal scale. Strategy of Tension. >>64309067>my sideWhich side do you think I'm on?
>>64309056If the feds actually did do it they would write something less retarded than "Anti-ICE" on the bullet. Holy fuck dude. Feds are highly motivate, educated, professionals you think they couldn't think up something better than that?
>>64309069this, also copying shit other shooters did is super common. EVERY mass shooter copies tarrant's gun scribbling
>>64309074Poster you are talking to is a tranny so that's why he think Republicans are further right now
>>64309063Oh it's this faggot again
>>64309075Do you or do you not work for the US federal government?
>>64309059>>64309042So they were in fact violent right wing extremists? And they did kill people? Then they belong on the list and if it was the other way round, if they were antifa you'd have no problem with them being on it.
>>64309088NTA but I fucking wish I worked for the Feds.
>>64309054The left in the US have spent 45 years demonizing the right, making them seem like "insane gun-waiving religious crazies" and it's been effective. They know how powerful optics are and they're terrified at being on the receiving end of bad optics. They already have an image problem with trannies and illegals, adding terorism to the list will make them toxic. Not only could it lose them the midterms but it could lose them 2028 as well.
>>64309055>bad jacketing a well known phenomenongood morning officer. you obviously haven't been here long
>>64309078>Feds are highly motivate, educated, professionalsNo, the feds are fucking retarded. As in, orders of magnitude more retarded than their predecessors in the 20th century.
>>64309054It's classic narrative control basics. >whoever shouts the most, the loudest, and repeats often enough becomes the truthSadly 2+2 will never equal 5 no matter if all 8 billion people in the world strapped me to a chair and beat me.
>>64309086yeah the reddit wedding ring tard who has only ever showed up in pol threads, isn't that just quirky?
>>64309094>Then they belong on the listA car accident is an episode of right wing extremism?
>>64309077Repeating the same phrase over and over again doesnt make it less schizo.
>>64309098It's technically not bad jacketing; that's when an undercover fed accuses someone else of being an undercover fed. What this guy is doing is gaslighting, strictly speaking.
>>64309074The whole separation of church and state is starting to look a little iffy to me. Secondly the pressuring of corporations to hand shares over to the state is... not really right wing, but it is authoritarian. Here's the thing, I don't really know what the Republican party stands for anymore because it's become so contradictory.
>>64309088Of course I don't you fucking retard. In fact, I actually think this one kinda smells funny. It could be a copycat just as easy as a distraction from dropping the eptsien files. But a fed, I am not. Still think you're a schizo, but honored I live in your mad little head rent free I guess.
>>64309097the right is currently martyrizing a hack 'debate me' bro because its politically advantageous.
>>64309054Midterms are coming up and they don't really need>the people who shoot up law enforcement and people they disagree withto be part of their image
>>64309104>schizoRepeating the same word over and over again doesn't make it true.
>>64309103Crashing a car and kill someone while trying to commit another crime doesn't invalidate the intent to commit the other crime.
>>64309113Still mad that Kimmell got that 2 day suspension, huh?
>>64309109The US military is a part of the US federal government.
>>64309117The other crime being running away from the police? These are episodes of right wing extremism?
>>64309074Are you retarded or just hunting for (you)s?
>>64309118No. Jimmy Kimmel is a freemason and a part of the ruling pedo class.
>>64309102>he saved multiple instances of my handhoooooly lmao, I stand by what I said that magats are the absolute worst thing to happen to conservatism
>>64309121right wing extremists commit crimes to fund the movements they support
>>64309107>The whole separation of church and state is starting to look a little iffy to meHave theee been calls for the US to establish a state religion? If there have been I must not have heard them. Because that's what seperation of church and state is, you know that, right?
>>64309113>the right is currently martyrizing a hack 'debate me' bro because its politically advantageous.That may be what you would do, but we're not the same. That was and is genuine grief.
>>64309113the new right***anyone who wasn't retarded dropped trump the moment he started dickriding israelthe whole fucking place is compromised top to bottom and what color your football team is isn't going to change that. this is a fed op, this shit has always been fed ops. gaslighting the american populace into destroying their bodies and minds and then turning them on eachother so both sides allow increasingly authoritarian legislature to be passed in order to spite one another is a fed op and has been since the end of occupy wall street. everyone ITT has been tricked into dumping all their energy into fighting the symptoms while the cause remains unscathed. why do you think all these shooters go after low level civil servants and random civillians? if any of them had any real intention of making anything "better" they would shoot peter thiel or a congressman.
>>64309125That's come from one of the archive sites you dipshit. He hasn't saved your picture
>>64309120Damn dude, you have no fucking idea who I am. Even expanding that shit out, I'm not a fed, gladiofag
This reddit tranny is obviously a mod because this thread should have been deleted for /pol/ shit a while ago and this tranny should have been banned
>>64309125I posted your hand once, in this thread, because I saw it posted multiple times by people (you) supporting the US government (your employer). Also, am I a leftist or a MAGA? Make up your mind.
>>64309115not only this but there is a very severe schism that's barely being contained between the neoliberal and progressive elements that make up the Democratic party, so they're in an extremely tenuous position within and without. they absolutely do not need the "party of 1970s style domestic terrorism" label thrown into the mix
>>64309063Nice timestamp. If those aren't required anymore then here's mine. Now go back to your lefty discord server and get some better talking points.
>>64309130>That was and is genuine grief.HahahahaHahahahahahahahahaThanks for that anon. Even if you're memeing, I enjoyed the laugh, and if you're not memeing, holy fucking kekistan my sides are going into orbit.
>>64309127>right wing extremists commit crimes to fund the movements they supportHe started a fire to burn down his baby mommas house because of a custody dispute and then ran away from cops and had an accident to raise funds for his neo-nazi prison gang?
>>64309134>>64309063He actually did :3 he must really like me
>>64309128Have you been asleep for twenty years?
>>64309136>dude if you ask them if they're cops they have to say yes it's illegal for them to lie about itkek, I'm not falling for it
>>64309125Anon that's...that's a desuarchive. Are you sure you belong here?
>>64309118did you have that reply typed out before you read my post?
>>64309143As I said, we're not the same.
>>64309138Don't recall accusing you of either? You are schizophrenic as hell tho
>>64309148I guess so. Who's proposing an official US state church? Where? When?
>>64309146I posted your image you've posted in these kinds of threads multiple times in order to signal to you that I know exactly who you are just by the way you post.
>>64309145Was he an extremist? Did he kill someone? Again if he was antifa, you would have no problem including him on your list of *checks notes* three incidents
>>64309125holy fucking shit nigger you cannot be serious with this
>>64309150>>64309143>>64309130am i the only real human being in this whole fucking thread that isn't on uncle sam's salary? what the fuck is this?
>>64309142This is mine.>>64309158Whatever you say, Robert.
>>64309161>Again if he was antifa, you would have no problem including him on your list of *checks notes* three incidentsYes, I would have a problem with defining a fatal car accident involving an Antifa member as an episode of "left wing violence".
>>64309130no it wasnt. 90% of the people at that rallu didnt know who charlie was before he died. all they know is a right wing talking head died and they have a free 'be angry at libs without seeming entirely unhinged' pass for the month.
>>64309125>saved multiple instances That's a fucking chan archive you retarded tourist.
>>64309145Lefties get their reality from TV. The TV says the US is plagued with white supremacist biker gangs that run guns and drugs to fund neonazis. I'm dead serious.
>>64309166that pic is like 10 years old, it was the basement of some old guy in germany who got told on.
>>64309168Dont ascribe your own behavior and morality onto us.
>>64309160You would have to know that first, still thinking I'm a fed instead of some civie that thinks you're an absolute schizo IS schizo shit tho
>>64309172Mainstream Republicans and Democrats all get their reality from the TV, which is why they're all retarded. Operation Mockingbird never ended.
>>64309172>Lefties get their reality from TVi think you mean boomers. everyone else just reads news on twitter
>>64309157If you HONESTLY felt grief about charlie kirk you're a retarded faggot that deserves the rope.If you're using his death for your political advantage with no remorse, i'd at least have a LITTLE respect for you, but if you ACTUALLY feel any sort of sadness/empathy for kirk, you deserve everything coming your way.
>>64309168>90% of the people at that rallu didnt know who charlie was before he died.Why do you fucking retards keep saying this? Do you really think everyone is as ill-informed and uninvolved with politics as you?
>>64309177Tell us more about the electric jew bobby matthews and the angy squeaks
>>64309176How do you think I was able to post an image you had posted before and know exactly who it came from?>>64309173>Group-B was an illegal Swedish/CIA military intelligence organization that was so god damned secret that not even the Swedish Government or the National intelligence agency of Sweden even knew this group was operating in the country for well over a decade.>Agents operating within their organization were provided with special gun dealer licenses which permitted them to buy whatever weapons they wanted without recording any of the identifying information pertaining to each individual weapon, thus these weapons simply vanished as far as the regular authorities were concerned. Don't ask me where all the guns actually ended up, I have no idea. By the time I found these photos, the guy was dead and the guns were gone.>These agents were also provided with the paperwork and cash to acquire explosives, but as far as I know there weren't any in this particular cache.
>>64309174post a screencap of your meme folder if youre so moral and just.
>>64309181Thank you for once again emphasizing that we are not, in any way, the same.
>>64309181>if you feel bad about a public figure being assassinated you ahould be killedYou're either an edgelord faggot or genuinly evil
>>64309183Its truly the most bizarre cope in the world.
>>64309189>>64309190I felt bad for him and his family, but that's what happens when you work for a criminal organization and try to leave.
>>64309190>>64309189You're either a literal, actual nigger faggot, or just so deluded by the propaganda that you don't even see where you are anymore. Wake up retards, the billionaires are using you.
>>64309189>>64309190lol the atheist who larps as a christian is starting to call people evil. im sure a puritanical crashout is approaching
>>64309187Probably because I claimed it, fucktard. I'm not ashamed of having a plinking gun in the trunk. Posting here, calling you an absolute schizophrenic isn't fed shit, that's just acknowledging reality.
/pol/ breaking containment was the worst thing to ever happen to this site
>>64309159Ok.Michael Flynn :>“If we are going to have one nation under God, which we must, we have to have one religion. One nation under God, and one religion under God.”Josh Hawley:>“Some will say I’m calling America a Christian nation. And so I am. Some will say I’m advocating Christian nationalism. And so I do.”-Natcon 4Ken Paxton>“In Texas (public school) classrooms, we want the Word of God opened, the Ten Commandments displayed, and prayers lifted up.”Marjorie Taylor Greene>“We need to be the party of nationalism and I’m a Christian, and I say it proudly — we should be Christian nationalists.”Lauren Boebery >“The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church. … I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk. That’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter, and it means nothing like what they say it does.”
>>64309202How did I know to post it before you claimed it? How did I know you were in this thread?
>>64309199>nooo you cant be sad that a very popular, beloved even, moderate political figure was brutally murdered in front of his kids for holding opinions that are near identical to your own
>>64309207Still not seeing anything in their about a state church in the US. Nice try though.
>>64309166>Whatever you say, Robert.Ya gotta love it when he uses his own name to sew confusion
>>64309125Were you trying to confirm that you aren't from here with this post as part of a bit or are you actually this inept?
>>64309204It's because the tranny mods like>>64309207 still think they can turn /k/into some nega-/pol/ when everyone on /k/ wants all /pol/ regardless of affiliation to just fuck off
>>64309201>everyone who isn't a faggot edgelord like me is just LARPingOkay, dude. We get it. You're cool and edgy and don't care about anything.
>>64309209>moderate political figuremy favorite meme of this entire situation
>>64309213sow*And my name isn't Robert. I've never enlisted in the US military nor had any interest in doing so.
>>64309218its not 2011 anymore man, being atheist isnt edgy.
>>64309208Because I talk the same way as normal, call you a gladiofag, as per normal? IDing me noooooticing you isn't schizophrenic, it's your schizo ideas, calling me a fed outta nowhere, never posting guns, etc that makes me call you a schizo. I am glad I live in your head tho, just straight BREEDING that gray matter.
>>64309219That's the reality of the situation.
>>64309209>very popular>beloved>moderate>murdered in front of his kidsLiterally none of this is trueHe was popular within a specific sphere on the right. Mainly in the 14-30 year age group.He wasn't "beloved", even within his group of supporters before his assassination you'd be hard pressed to find someone saying he was "beloved"He wasn't a moderate, this is demonstrably false, if you want me to provide quotes showing otherwise i'd be happy to (but we both know you'd white wash anything he said as it being taken out of context, without bothering to check the context yourself).And finally, his wife and children were not present at the event where he was killed, not sure why that rumor keeps going around (well I do know, it's because the right needs to manufacture sympathy).
Mooooom, the chat bots are replying to each other in a spam loop again!
>>64309219Yes. Kirk was a moderate by every standard in the US. >but in the rest of the worl-Doesn't matter
>>64309231>Literally none of this is true>because I, a libshit, say so!
>>64309226>t. Robert from Texas Machoz
>>64309234How was he moderate by US standards?He literally said the civil rights movement was a mistake and children should be made to watch public executions. By any standards, US included, he was right wing. Not the MOST right wing possible, but solidly right wing.
>>64309234Zionism is an inherently extremist position. There are no Zionist moderates. That's like saying "he was a moderate Black Hebrew Israelite"
>>64309231WhyDoYouPostLikeThis?.
>>64309242>He literally said the civil rights movement was a mistakeThats been a right wing position since Goldwater. Not because we dont want blacks to have rights, but because the Act infringes on foundational constitutional principles. >children should be made to watch public executions.Didn't say that.
>>64309237Awww, come on, you aren't even gonna try guessing anymore? Or are you saying this is the dude you're obsessed with? I'm in your walls btw, touching your stuff.
>>64309242>>64309244>he wasntmoderate! He said all these conservative things!Yeah, he was a moderate conservative. We know.
>>64309107So you can't actually back up the claim you made?>>64309113There would be nothing to make a martyr out of him with if the left hadn't spent the last 15 or so years (really much longer, but I'll be generous and only count from when it became unbearable and mainstream) going on about how speech is violence, everyone who disagrees with them is a Nazi, violence against Nazis is justified, etc. until nutjobs on their side finally started acting on it.
>>64309246Because i've been posting this way since were still in diapers.This is how people used to type on text based forums of the late 1990s and early 2000s.The website you're currently using came from one of those text-based forums (something awful) and those typing format habits stuck with many of the older users of the site. I'm not going to change 20+ years later because children think it's "reddit" spacing even though this style was existant on 4chan BEFORE reddit even existed as a website. tldr; fuck off newfag .
>>64309246You know why >reddit
>>64309252Yes, I'm saying Robert and the "guy from Texas" who is obsessed with Robert are actually the same person.
>>64309257Redditcope
>>64309254There are plenty of conservatives who aren't Zionist, and there are plenty of Zionists who aren't conservative. As I said before, Zionism is an inherently extremist position. There are no Zionist moderates.
>>64309262That's an incredibly bold assertion, but neither would apply to me lmao
>>64309268>Zionism is an inherently extremist positionIn your opinion.
>>64309212An elected official is directly challenging the very concept of separation of church and state you autistic freak.
>>64309269>neither apply to you>you just have that image saved and ready to go for no reason>you totally aren't obsessed with Dirlewangerfagkek
>>64309251>Didn't say that.Well lets see> About 40 minutes into the show, the discussion about capital punishment moved on to whether it should be public and, if so, who should watch. Kirk said (time code 49:35), "It should be public, it should be quick, it should be televised."> I think at a certain age it's an initiation.> The show's co-hosts Bowyer and Neff each suggested 16- and 12-year-olds, respectively, as appropriate viewing ages. Kirk said (time code 51:13), "But it should also be taken in a holy way. Now, I don't mean holy in a bad way, I mean that, like, this is heavy."
>>64309272>An elected official is directly challenging the very concept of separation of church and state you autistic freak.Boebert is a retard. The other quotes are meaningless. Also, Seperation of Church and State doesnt mean what you think it does. >"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"is literally all it says.
>>64309271In reality. "Moderate Nazi." "Moderate Satanist" "Moderate pedophile". That's how silly "moderate Zionist" sounds.
>>64309207I skimmed and saw Marjorie Taylor Greene, so I'm assuming the rest are also schizos. When was the state church established here? I must have missed it.
>>64309281You have now confirmed that he did not say children should watch public executions. That was his cohosts. Thank you for your assistance with this matter.
>>64308990>Only fatal violence is violence. Throwing rocks, blocking roads, destroying property, etc isn't violence. Same for terrorism. It isn't terrorism unless someone dies or a bomb explodes.Please stop trying to reduce the discussion about political violence/terrorism to just fatal acts. We can see your tricks plain and clear
>>64309275I feeeel like its far more strange to save my hand and gun without even being able to guess what state I'm from. Here's some dennis backstory too.
>>64309282>is literally all it says.You think state laws requiring schools to display the Ten Commandments or participate in a Christian prayer aren't "respecting an establishment of religion"?Even more so if those same states block the same sort of inclusion for other religions (Judaism, Islam, etc)
>>64309294Who is Dennis? Also, I'm 99% certain you're from Texas or California.
>>64309284No, very much your opinion m8. "Zionism" includes anything from literal schizo mountain jews stealing pali land in west bank to Normie McNormieFace who just really likes Israel.
>>64309288Lol riiiiight, just like how when he said if he sees a black pilot his first thought is "I hope he's qualified" is totally not a racist dog whistle and is just an innocent thought about a man's qualifications that has nothing to do with racial profiling.
>>64309297It's in the backstory, a german zigger. Read, schizo, read. Nope and nope btw>cali>15 rd mag in a semi auto
>>64309282>>64309285>They don't count because... they just don't ok!?Those are elected officials. They literally are the Republican party as much as AOC IS the democrat party.
>>64309299The creation of Israel was extremist, and its continued existence is extremist. The moderate position is that Israel should not exist and should never have existed.
>>64309304>readI will not be reading your machine translated image. Are you the guy from Maine?
>>64309296If you read about the Congressional debates in 1789 the language “no law respecting an establishment of religion” was a compromise that ensured that there would be no national Church like in England (The Anglican Church is a facet of the English State with the King/Queen as the head of the Church) and ensured that there would be no laws interfering with religion (remember, the US was founded by Puritans who faced state oppression back home). So, the founders intention is no Church (organization) as an arm of government and no prevention of religious worship or a bar on religion influencing government.
>>64309320>So, the founders intention is no Church (organization) as an arm of government and no prevention of religious worship or a bar on religion influencing government.So promoting Christianity in the classroom while blocking other religions would 100% run afoul of this...right?
>>64309301In relation to DEI his point is totally valid. >>64309306AOC is not the democrat party, Boebert is not the GOP. >>64309310And we're done here.
>>64309296The original claim was >the republicans... have been steadily moving away from me into fuck knows where for 20 yearsSo how many of these states brought the Ten Commandments into schools in the last 20 or so years, compared to how many had them before, and how many got rid of stuff like that? And what about other positions the Republicans have moved right on? Can you name any? What was the Republican position on gay marriage in 2000 for example, and how does it compare with their current one?
>>64309320>So, the founders intention is no Church (organization) as an arm of government and no prevention of religious worship Yes>or a bar on religion influencing government.HAHAHA no
>>64309324>So promoting Christianity in the classroom while blocking other religions would 100% run afoul of this...right?No. The state may not interfere with other religions. The state may not start a church (organization). There is nothing there that says that state may not be influenced by one religion or another.
>>64309329>In relation to DEI his point is totally valid.It's not though and you have ZERO knowledge if a black person is a DEI hire, or just the best candidate for that position during their hiring process. It's a racist dog whistle while also trying to imply ALL black people only get jobs due to DEI, and NEVER on their own merit which is just braindead retarded.
>>64309334So you're saying I should not vote republican again? Ok. I won't then.
>>64308990Look into this study, it counts prison violence attributed to nazis or whatever as right wing extremist violence. And yet, it doesn't count any gangs as left wing or extremist.
>>643093123 strikes!>no reading 4 meOk schizo lol
>>64309337Sophistry and we both know it, but whatever helps you cope.
>>64309338>ZERO knowledge if a black person is a DEI hire, or just the best candidate for that position during their hiring process.Which is the problem he is complaining of. Yes.
>>64309342Okay buddy. What are your plans for the weekend? My wife is reaching a big career milestone, so we're going to celebrate tomorrow night. : )
>>64309345>but whatever helps you cope.Nothing to cope over. We're winning. The cope is all yours good sir.
>>64309347So instead we replace them with white people with unknown qualifications, but it's okay because they're white so people won't question it.Sick, that's totally not racist, you really showed me.
>>64309329>And we're done here.lmao you're literally Israeli
>>64309335>HAHAHA noYou know we open congressional sessions with prayer, right? And that there have been congressionally appointed chaplains since 1789?
>>64309340You've done a shit job at backing up your assertion that the Republicans have moved significantly rightward throughout the thread. As for how you vote, we all know it's progressive/socialist in primaries and you hold your nose and vote for Democrats in generals.
>>64309353>We're winningYup, gas prices are lower than ever, so is your grocery bill, and you wont need to worry about healthcare long term cause those damn liberal death panels, instead you just get auto denied by an insurance AI. Thanks MAGA, i feel like a winner now.
>>64309350Parents are in town, gonna take them out on the river. CAT still got a plant there?
>>64309356Are white people the beneficiaries of a system like DEI where people are promoted based on their skin color and not competency?
>>64309366For now. They've been steadily leaving Peoria over the past few decades, but fuck them and their Zionist partners using their bulldozers to destroy people's homes in Palestine.
>>64309365I can't tell if this is retardation or sarcasm lol
>>64308990>AdlThis new discord troon line was already tired when it came out, can you try something a little more believable?
>>64309207You're too young to remember this, but republicans politicians have always been in favor of having god/christian shit in schools, for at least the past 100 years. And virtually nothing has been emplemented. You're also talking about a tiny minority, none of which have actually made any legislation to make Christianity the official national religion. And republicans have moved more and more towards the center. Just 15 years ago they were all against gay marriage and drugs, now, there vast majority of people on the right dont give a shit about things like that.
>>64309373Hows the asiatic carp? They were a menace last time i walked the riverfront but that was years ago
>>64309383The sewage overflow killed them all.
>>64309385I thought they were filter feeders, oof. Sucks to work in sanitation if its that fuckijg toxic
>>64309369DEI still has minimum competency requirements; you don't get a free pass JUST for being a minority.You need to be qualified AND a minority. So the idea that we're hiring minorities WITHOUT qualifications is retarded. Which is what kirk implies with his statement about black pilots, well OBVIOUSLY black pilots would be less qualified than a white pilot, right?White people are the beneficiaries of a system that has kept them in power for centuries, leading to long-term wealth opportunities that haven't existed for minorities in the US. Hard to build generational wealth when your family was enslaved and treated as 2nd class for the last 5--10 generationsIt's hard to get a legacy admission at an Ivy League school if your grandparents and great grandparents weren't allowed to go to school and your parents were the first generation to go to college at all.
>>64309397You're being passed and promoted based on your skin-color or gender. Which means more qualified people are being left out. >b... but my special system of racism is okay cuz reasons!Pound sand. Shit was rejected at the ballot box.
>>64309390That's not really true I just made it up. The sewage overflow into the river is an issue when it rains, though. Last I heard, they were fishing the carp and selling them restaurants rebranded as "copi"
>>64309397Sucks to be a white whos came after that tho
>>64309402Again, this CAN be true, but it isn't ALWAYS true and assuming a white candidate is more qualified by DEFAULT is just as fucking racist if not more so.
>>64309390>>64309403selling them to* restaurantsthey are not selling carps restaurants AFAIK, and I doubt anyone would go to them anyway (wet napkins)
>>64309404I mean, you as a white are still obviously at an advantage in the US even today.You won't be assumed to be a criminal during any minor police interaction, you are far less likely to be shot by the police even while committing a crime, you'll get a lighter prison sentence if you ARE convicted of a crime compared to a black man being convicted of the same crime. The list goes on.
>>64309334 The Republican party has moved significantly further right wing in the following ways>EnvironmentGeorge W Bush acknowleged climate change as a concern in 2004, it's now all but dismissed.>ImmigrationGeorge Bush supported legal immigration and a legal pathway for DESERVING illegals to gain citizenship. This is political suicide in Republican party today. This is something I strongly support. Obviously gang members and cartel cunts need to fuck off, but a hard working guy just trying to get ahead, who doesn't commit crimes, pays his taxes and wants to get ahead I can support gaining citizenship. You're going to hate this position, but it's one I've held for 20 years now. Analyse why you hate it and tell me the Republicans haven't moved further right.>"America’s immigration system is outdated and unsuited to the needs of our economy and to the values of our country. … I propose a new temporary worker program that will match willing foreign workers with willing employers when no Americans can be found to fill the jobs.”George W Bush, 2004 state of the nation addressI'm also troubled by the fact that when we lose elections, it's declared invalid based on ZERO evidence. Those are some of the reasons I feel the republican party left me behind.
>>64309413>shilling for George bushPlease kill yourself nigger
>>64309390>>64309403>>64309407Wait wait waitDo Americans actually eat carp?The only time I've tried it, the smoked carp tasted like how pond scum smells.
>>64309380>>64309363Took me a while to collect my thoughts, see >>64309413You've convinced me though, I won't vote Republican again. Good job.
>>64309402The same logical fallacy that makes you think a black person can't be qualified due to DEI is also true for white candidates. Just because a black person was hired over a white person doesn't mean that white person was more qualified. You're just assuming that's the case and that makes you racist, even if you don't think you are.
>>64309418How is saying what the part orthodoxy was under a particular president "shilling for him" you ridiculous faggot?You can't argue a point, so you simply try to dismiss it. The human capital of the Republican party is so low these days.
>>64309419Nobody eats it, but the government is trying to rebrand it to trick people into eating it so there's more demand for it so more people will fish for the carp so they don't have to pay people to do it.
>>64309418>how have republicans moved further right in the last 20 years?>NOOO YOU CAN'T USE THE ONLY REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT BESIDES TRUMP IN THE LAST 20 YEARS AS YOUR EXAMPLE!lollmao even
Lmao how did this thread go pure politics, and then go from 100 posts in 8 hours to 40 past the bump limit in 3 hours without being deleted?
>>64309419Back when i was in undergrad we did our damnest to make them palatable. Failed every try. But we never relabelled it as something it wasn't. That's schizo fantasy and a good way to go to prison.
>>64309310Funny enough, "Israel has no right to exist and that land should be yet another failed Islamic state" is the grand unifying banner under which left and right wing extremists march (and is the in-road the left extremists are using to subvert the right).
>>64309436https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2022/06/22/illinois-asian-carp-name-change-copi-invasive-fish-encourage-eating/1321655939909/
>>64309442No, that's the moderate position, and the psychotic pedophile criminals who own the US economy and government are the ones with the extremist views on the Zionism question.
>>64309443lol, people's republic of illinois do be like that. but that's a fair announcement by a government agency. past that its on you
>>64309419>>64309436>>64309443https://choosecopi.com/
>>64309434Because the one seething about Republicans is a tranny mod
>>64309454Okay, so>the government is trying to rebrand it to trick people into eating it so there's more demand for it so more people will fish for the carp so they don't have to pay people to do it.was 100% true
>>64309461>>64309443>>64309442You will eat the bugfish
>>64309448>No, that's the moderate positionYou can argue on the ethics or merits of it, but it absolutely in no way shape or form is the moderate position. "Moderate" does not mean "good" "correct" or "my."
>>64309460/k/ has been fairly anti-republican for awhile now.We've been fantasizing about killing russians for 30+ years and now we get to watch Ukraine do that, and everytime republicunts try and fuck up ukraine assistance bills we get a little more fed up with their bullshit.
>>64309457>government-sponsored fully animated food porn>for a fish that tastes of mud>not "like mud" or "similar to mud," mind you, of mud. Because it eats mud.Very cool, USA.
>>64309470>this genocidal apartheid state that was created out of thin air should existextremist>this genocidal apartheid state that was created out of thin air should not existnot extremistglad we could clear that up
>>64309448>No, that's the moderate positionYa gotta get off pol lol
>>64309472>This initiative is led by Illinois Department of Natural Resources (IDNR)Notice, there are no fish shown down here. That is because Copi are clean, healthy, top-feeding fish.lol, according to the Illinois government they're perfectly clean and tasty!
>>64309461>trickIt's pretty clear what it is on there.
>>64309475What's pol? Is it similar to /pol/? Also, see:>>64309473
>>64309473>GenocidalIt's the shittest genocide ever, since there's more (and fatter) palestinians than ever>ApartheidIsraeli arabs can and do vote and serve in the knesset. Such a thing would not have been possible for blacks in apartheid era south africa. Stop appropriating words you don't know the meaning of.
>>64309473You can't just call something a moderate position because in your internal fantasy that's how you frame it.
>>64309484Post the heart meme for me peorianon
>>64309485>It's the shittest genocide ever, since there's more (and fatter) palestinians than everlmao, you are literally a hasbarist shill. Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us sinners wasting our time on this glowie-infested website.
>>64307070>>64308680>>64308963 I can't find any stripper clips like that with 2 lugs close together, it's always 3 or 2 raf apart. I wonder where they came from.
>>64309490I don't know what the heart meme is.>>64309486That's the reality of the situation, kiddo.
>>64309413>George W Bush acknowleged climate change as a concern in 2004, it's now all but dismissed.That one's fair, but I'm pro nuclear, so no one's on my side of this issue.>George Bush supported legal immigration and a legal pathway for DESERVING illegals to gain citizenship. This is political suicide in Republican party todayThe left wing position on mass migration used to benn that it was a Koch brothers conspiracy to drive down wages for the working class. The modern progressive sanctuary cities shit benefits the least deserving people by letting them cut the line, as well as providing a sanctuary for all kinds of genuine scum. Sorry, but if there's an interpol alert out for you, you shouldn't feel safe here. If I remember right, it was the Democrats who stonewalled immigration reform back when Bush was willing to engage with them on it too.
>>64309499>pro nuclearYou'd be surprised, a lot of environmentalists that aren't retarded hippies led by schizoids have caught on that its the way to go
>>64309499>I'm pro nuclear, so no one's on my side of this issueI am a leftist, and many of my leftist friends (and myself) are incredibly pro-nuclear and have been frustrated at establishment Dems for years for not getting behind nuclear power more wholeheartedly. There are plenty of liberals who are pro-gun, pro-nuke, and just want the gays and minorities treated equally.
>>64309421>far left cuck who hates guns won't vote republicanIm absolutely shocked.
>>64309499>>64309504>>64309505The main thing that needs to be taken care of is not allowing the economy and government to be controlled by criminals. We can figure everything else out after we remove them from power.
>>64309505>want the gays and minorities treated equallyThey lack zero rights. What else do you want?
>>64309510No, you are not a moderate peorianon, you are just a fucking schizophrenic with evidence locker tier guns
>>64309510Sure but they're all criminals, the democrats at least cover it up by throwing a few bones to minorities and poors, the republicans can't even be bothered to try covering for their criminal behavior the last few years.
>>64309516I sold all my guns, and "it's okay for our economy and government to rely on sexual blackmail (often involving children), drug dealing, and murder" is not a moderate position lmao
>>64309517Yes, I agree with you. I am a leftist, too. I'm a National Syndicalist.
>>64309514Gays couldn't even get married (federally) until 2015. Minorities are being deported (or in some cases just straight exiled since they're US citizens) just for being a minority. I would have no problem with ICE if they were ACTUALLY doing their due diligence, but they're simply not.
>>64309509>hates gunsYou're just going to go ahead and keep on telling lies when proven wrong, huh?>>64309499>That one's fair, but I'm pro nuclear,Me too, but I'm hopeful about some of the fusion research coming out as well. We're not there yet but I think there's a roadmap. Mind you, the far left crazy greens will hate fusion just as much for just as little reason because ultimately they're funded by the same people.>The left wing position on mass migration used to benn that it was a Koch brothers conspiracy to drive down wages for the working class. The modern progressive sanctuary cities shit benefits the least deserving people by letting them cut the line, as well as providing a sanctuary for all kinds of genuine scum. Sorry, but if there's an interpol alert out for you, you shouldn't feel safe here. If I remember right, it was the Democrats who stonewalled immigration reform back when Bush was willing to engage with them on it too.I don't remember it like that, but it doesn't change the point that the party position has moved much further to the right in a way that leaves me behind, as a center right practical normie. I don't care much about orthodoxy or doctrine, I want things that WORK. And yes, criminal immigrants legal or illegal can leave.
>>64309526>covertaction magazinemuch reliable sources>>64309523I literally don't care. After reading your meltie I don't blame the clintons for capping every single militia they came across and they should have gone harder on the loons.
>>64309546>supports child sexual exploitation and mass murder>doesn't understand that he is a violent extremistlol
>>64309550Release the Epstein files
>>64309556Yes, I agree, that would be great. It won't happen, because it would implicate the entire power structure that rules over us.
>>64309510damn i was hoping that was one of those joke schizo charts
>>64309550Look man, just speedrun to the point where you threaten the local national guard armory again
>>64309560I've never threatened anyone, let alone the military. I'm a pacifist, and I've been one for my entire adult life.
>>64309563Pre or post maui jim?
>>64309570The sunglass company? I'm pretty sure they've existed longer than I have.
>>64309530Yes, things were different in the past. They can get married now, so they don't lack any rights. As for citizens being deported, there's likely an exceptionally few instances of that, if any.
>>64309598>Yes, things were different in the past. They can get married now, so they don't lack any rightsAnd i'm sure if the current supreme court rejected the previous ruling and made it illegal again you'd come in and say some bullshit about how the supreme court says it's legal so it's fine.
>>64309541The shift in position on immigration, as much as there's been one (you can still find plenty of people who are fine with legal immigration. No immigrants whatsoever is a small minority), has been driven by stuff like the stories of increasing crime in parts of Europe that took a ton of immigrants, Canada's GDP per capita stagnating and actually going down just from the sheer volume of new arrivals, and increased crime from large immigrant communities that don't integrate and instead just recreate the conditions of their home countries here. If I had a dollar for every Masshole that's moved up here and mentioned how shit Lawrence, Lowell, Dorchester, or some other town they fled has become, I could afford to buy them a house in Mass in an area that hasn't gone to shit yet. Given how far in the infinity immigrants direction that issue has been pushed, it swinging the other way is just a normal reaction.
>>64309598>As for citizens being deported, there's likely an exceptionally few instances of thata single instance of it happening is too many. Even more so when the government makes no effort to fix the mistakes it has made and goes even further trying to cover it up and paint those individuals as criminals, even if they aren't just so they can justify their mistreatment of american citizens in the eyes of their supporters.
>>64309604Absolutely not, I'm a libertarian, i beliefe that not only should gays have the right to get married, but that the government shouldn't get involved with such matters to begin with.
>>64309613>a single instanceThen who did it happen to?
>>64309604Maybe the Democrats should have passed a law if they cared that much. Same with Roe v Wade. Instead they got the decision they wanted from the Supreme Court and just kind of hoped they'd have a majority there forever or something. Seems like poor planning or possibly laziness on their part, so while I'm not even anti-abortion, I find it really hard to sympathize with the Democratic Party itself on that issue.
>>64309637Oh wow it's almost like both parties are controlled by private financial interests (rich criminals)
>>64309615Well get ready to pretend to be upset I guess. Supreme court is set to take up a case in october that will likely lead to Obergefell being overturned.
>>64309626It has happened to a few kids whose parents were being deported, even though the kids are fully legal US citizens. Just because their parents aren't legal doesn't make it legal to deport the children.And while I don't think children should be separated from their parents, it ultimately should be up to the parents where the children remain, ESPECIALLY if they're legally citizens of this country. If the parents are being deported and they WANT to take their kids with them, fine great. If the parents are being deported and they want thier children to stay in the US, then those children need to be given the chance to do so, even if that means being adopted or put into the foster system within the US. It also almost happened to a grown man (Miguel Silvestre), but once he got the local news involved ICE backed off and claims complete ignorance and that the media are making it up (instead of just admitting they made a mistake). Miguel Silvestre> ICE records identified him as a Mexican citizen, which was incorrect. A judge permanently corrected his status in 2004, ruling that he had been wrongly labeled for deportation.> In June 2025, news outlets reported that a new deportation order was issued for Silvestre to Mexico. The order was confirmed by the San Francisco Chronicle and KCRA-TV; Silvestre has a birth certificate proving his birth in California.> ICE officials disputed these accounts. ICE later stopped responding to inquiries from the San Francisco Chronicle and KCRA-TV on the matter.
>>64309530Name a single US cifizen who has been deported
>>64309471Bahahaha oh fuck me. Consider killing yourself.
>>64309642>pretend to be upsetMy brother is gay, if he isn't worried about it, I'm not. Lefties can't just hold this sword of damacles over gays' heads forever, telling them that same sex marriage will be banned as soon as a republican takes office. It won't happen and you know it.
>>64309647If the kids were born to non-citizen parents, then they never were citizens. You don't get to just vacation to your favorite country to give birth and get free citizenship for your baby. It doesn't work that way.
>>64309649see >>64309647A 10 year old girl with cancer and her 4 siblings (They're unnamed due to being children) were deported, all 5 kids were US citizens. They were deported because their parents weren't here legally even though they had no criminal record. >>64309652>It won't happen and you know it.and when it does you'll find a new excuse for as to why it isn't a problem for you. >>64309657>It doesn't work that way.It does work that way, if you go on vacation in the US and give birth here, that child is 100% an american citizen. It's in the 14th Amendment. You want to change that, go ahead and convene a constitutional convention. > All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside
>>64309657You might not like how it works, but that is how it works.
>>64309505I'd be fine if everything said about those groups through all of history hadn't proved to be true repeatedly.Problem is, it's all true.And you can't show me some fag who just likes men but otherwise is 100% normal and convince me the entire demographic is fine, just as you can't show me an otherwise normal black man and convince me Chicago isn't Chicago.I get that it's tough to understand someone like me can hold both opinions, that is to say,>a gay can be normal and non destructive, those do exist>a minority can be a fine person who isnt racist against whites and deserves what they earn, they do existWhile also holding the opinion of:>the group behavior is obvious and detrimental
>>64309664>14th amendmentFuck off faggot, times deff have changed and that ruling was for freed slaves and native born blacks to define their legal personhood.It DOES NOT MEAN HEY JUMP THE BORDER AJD LIVE OFF WELFARE FOR 40 YEARS.FUCK YOU.A BULLET FOR YOU.TWO FULL MAGAZINES JUST FOR YOU, TRAITOR ABUSER CRIMINAL SCUM.
>>64309670>>64309664If the left is okay with pretending the 2nd amendment is outdated, then I don't mind ignoring the 14th amendment. If leftists will stop gun grabbing, I'll change my mind, but that will never happen.
>>64309677Go ahead and call a constitutional convention and change it then, if it's SO self-evident and obvious, it should be easy to get people to agree to change...right?You're the only actual traitor here, literally arguing the Constitution is wrong and should be ignored becuase YOU don't agree with it personally is LITERAL traitor shit.
>>64309657>14th ammendment isnt realok
>>64309687Fine, we'll get rid of birthright citizenship the moment you give up your guns. Deal?
>>64309688Peorianon a traitor? I am shocked, SHOCKED by this revelation.
>>64309664So should they have thrown the kids to the foster care system? Deporting them with their parents was probably the more humane choice compared to that. It's really a no-win situation: either you throw them to the foster care system to get diddled (oh no you're separating families!) or you send them to their parents county of origin (you're deporting citizens). Of course, the progressives would prefer you simply not enforce immigration law, but that's looking like it's not on the table until 2028 at the least. Come up with an actual solution that isn't just "don't enforce the law."
>>64309698my last post in this thread was>>64309627
>>64309704>So should they have thrown the kids to the foster care system?See >>64309647>while I don't think children should be separated from their parents, it ultimately should be up to the parents where the children remain, ESPECIALLY if they're legally citizens of this country. If the parents are being deported and they WANT to take their kids with them, fine great. If the parents are being deported and they want thier children to stay in the US, then those children need to be given the chance to do so, even if that means being adopted or put into the foster system within the US.Not giving them the choice is my problem. I'm not saying adoption/foster care is the BEST outcome for the kids, but if the parents want the kids to stay in the US, and the kids are US citizens, I don't see the problem.Not to mention there are often family/friends of the family that would be willing/able to take in the kids that wouldn't require using the foster system. But again, they're not even given the choice.
>>64309664This does not apply to illegal parents. This has been upheld by our courts COUNTLESS times.
Reminder that there is no opposition party in America. It's one group that control the entire government, and they're rich sociopathic criminals who hate life itself.
>>64309715>This does not apply to illegal parents. This has been upheld by our courts COUNTLESS times.Gotta source on those "countless" times?> The Supreme Court case of United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) is the most significant precedent on this issue. The court's decision in that case established that the children of immigrants born in the U.S. are citizens, and it interpreted the "subject to the jurisdiction" clause as excluding only a very narrow group of people, such as children of foreign diplomats or invading enemy forces. The court held that non-citizen residents, including those who are in the country without legal authorization, are still subject to U.S. laws and are therefore within its jurisdiction for the purpose of birthright citizenshiptldr; the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction" only excludes children of foreign diplomats or invading enemy forces. Not illegal immigrants.
>>64309715>>64309722>keep arguing about this one specific issue instead of focusing on the fact that we are ruled over by gangsters who fuck kids!Strategy of Tension
>>64309741Oh I agree, but if this faggot is going to argue that birthright citizenship doesn't apply to illegal immigrants, I'm going to prove him wrong, especially when he tries to pretend the court precedent is in his favor when it's the exact opposite. The republicans stir up race problems and other social issues to make sure their supporters don't look at things too closely and realize they're getting fucked by billionaire criminals. Just like how the democrats give social welfare to minorities with minimal legal protections so once the republicans come back and repeal them the dems can rile up their base against the republicans, rinse and repeat while draining the economy and fucking over anyone who doesn't earn $1M+/year.
>>64309664>They were deported because their parents weren't here legally even though they had no criminal record.The children were not deported. The deported NONCITIZEN parents CHOSE to bring their kids with them upon leaving the US. They could have left them in the US with relatives. Try again!
>>64309647See>>64309762
>>64309754You are right.
>>64309664>>64309669>>64309696If china paradrops in a million 9-months pregnant women into the US and they give birth awaiting deportation is America just stuck with a million chinese citizens? Yes or no?
>>64309754>birthright citizenship doesn't apply to illegal immigrants,Illegal immigrants are not "subject to the laws [of the United States]" in the same way an invading army is not "subject to the laws thereof". Children of illegal immigrants are not citizens unless one of their parents is a citizen or national.
>>64309775See >>64309722> invading enemy forcesare specifically excluded.>>64309766>>64309762And when you can't get them to do that, you force them to agree to it under duress.> an ICE officer told Lopez-Villela to sign a paper saying she would take her daughter with her, when she refused she was threatened that if she did not, they would be sent to a foster home; so she wrote what she was told to write. This was then submitted to the court early in the morning as part of a response to the habeas petition. Before the court could respond to the habeas petition, the family was deported to Honduras, according to court filings
>>64309713>>64309762Do either of you have a link to the story? So far what I can see doesn't make it clear that the children were sent with the parents against the parent's will.
>>64309784That's blatantly going against the existing Supreme Court precedent. See >>64309722
>>64309788There are two cases, one with a cancer patient whos parents DID agree to take her and her siblings, and then another case with a 2-year old where the mother claims she was threatened/forced to agree to take her child with her.
>>64309786>when she refused she was threatened that if she did not, they would be sent to a foster homeIs that really threatening her if it's what's going to happen? Where else would the kids go if they don't have anyone else to take them? And even if they have someone, I would imagine there'd be some complications if it's another illegal immigrant whose identity they can't ascertain. They background check foster parents and kids still get abused in that system, so I could imagine they'd be pretty wary of going off the "trust me, bro" system to house kids.
>>64309786>threatenedIf the person isn't supplying verfiiable relatives to care for the kids they're gonna go into foster. It's not a fucking threat it's the reality of the situation.In any case I'm not going to take reported he-said-she-said as any fact of any account of what happened.>>64309793I blatantly do not give a fuck about the Supreme Court ruling referenced.It's being interpreted in a way that is detrimental to the people of the United States and it needs to change.If the government ends all welfares, enforces learning a common language, and penalizes companies who use immigrant labor to lower wages, then we can talk about my agreement with a more lax interpretation of the 14th.These problems are real and you need to stop hardlining your bullshit position on them.
>>64309807They had their father in the US who is a US citizen who would've been able to take the girl in.
>>64309808See >>64309813Also, you don't get to reinterpret the constitution like that, if you think the law needs to change there is a legal process to do that, it's called a constitutional convention. It's not something you can do with an executive order, only the legislative branch of the US has the authority to change constitutional law.
>>64309821I said I'm past the point of caring and you sound like one of those people who thinks the 2A means a citizen needs to be in a rank and file, official and catalogued militia to own guns.Anyways here's another supreme court ruling that you wouldn't ever post now would you.As I said the 14th was intended to irrefutably provide freed slaves and the children of african americans citizenship. It was never purposed for the ability of any cunt to claim the benefits of America just by existing on the soil.You are wrong and can fucking deal with it.
>>64309853We can figure out how we want to word these things once we dissolve the US government and write a new constitution. Reminder that Jefferson thought we should write a new one every five years.
>>64309853Again, FUCKING CALL A CONSITUTIONAL CONVENTION AND CHANGE IT THEN!Don't fucking act like you're all high and mighty and know better than everyone else and should be allowed to bypass the legal process because you one of the "good ones".A legal process exists to change the constitution if you have a problem with it, use it or shut the fuck up and quit bitching.
>>64309868>call a constitutional conventionThe original one was illegitimate and un-democratic to begin with. It's time to start over from scratch.
>>64309868>call a convention to change the constitution amendment>when it's simply the interpretation of the reading that has to changeFuck yourself, dumbass.
>>64309887I bet you don't even understand the history of how the Bill of Rights was amended onto the original constitution and which group of people opposed its inclusion.
>>64309894I said fuck yourself dumbass. I ain't a guy like Kirk. Unlike him I know when words fail.
>>64309853The entire legal system of our country is based on precedent. If you're ignoring precedent set by the highest court in the land you're basically just admitting you want a straight-up authoritarian state with no hard rules at all. Why even bother with 3 branches of government or a bicameral legislature? Just set up a king and get some based dudes to write the laws, ezpz.>>64309887If you want to go by legal interpretation, then you can't just ignore previous precedent that covers this EXACT problem.
>>64309902No, you told the other guy to fuck himself. I accept your concession.
>>64309853> Senator Jacob Howard, one of the authors, stated that the clause "will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, and subject to the jurisdiction of their respective countries." There you go, straight from one of the authors of the 14th Amendment.
>>64309786Illegal immigrants are invading enemy forces.
>>64309910Oh, at least two dumbasses revealed themselves.How pleasant.You should both meet up and blow each others brains out while you're 69ing each others cocks.
>>64309853> A major purpose of the 14th Amendment was to prevent the creation of a permanent underclass of non-citizens born on U.S. soil. If the children of undocumented immigrants were not citizens, it would create a hereditary caste of people with limited rights and opportunities, unable to fully integrate into society.
>>64309914the full quote is>This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of person.
>>64309798It sounds like the situation with the cancer patient went as ut should have then. The other is up in the air. No one is going to just trust someone without verification. An illegal immigrant would have every incentive to lie if their goal is to try and keep their kids in the US if they can, and this is also a community targeted by himan traffickers; no one's simply taking their word for it. If one parent is a citizen and the other isn't, and they aren't married or cohabitating (I don't know, never saw this story) how would anyone establish the parental relationship without relying on trust short of an actual DNA test? Any statement from the kids could be coached. You have to see this from a position of extreme skepticism that's come from reading too many case reports about kids getting diddled if you want to understand why they'd prefer the kids remain with someone known to be the parent rather than just taking someone at their word.
>>64309798She was not "threatened". She was told plainly if she didn't take the kid with her the kid would go to foster care because she refused to say if she had any relatives in the US. Ultimately she chose to take the kid with her insted. Telling people the consequences of their actions is not a fucking threat.
>>64309920They're (legally) not, but whatever cope helps you feel like white people are superior, I guess.
>>64309924lmao you're such an angry little fatherless retard. you are 100% utterly impotent and powerless in your day to day life, and completely alone.
>>64309932So if a million chinese pregnant women are illegal enemy force why aren't a million fence jumping mexicans?
>>64309931Forcing them to make decisions without legal representation and without knowing exactly what is happening is probably illegal.Had she KNOWN she could've put her daughter in her husband's care, she likely would've opted to do that, but that wasn't an option they presented, they said take her with you, or she'll be in foster care.
>>64309925>>64309928You prove nothing I have said this entire time wrong by posting those.>a permanent undercladd of..hereditary caste Welfare sucking low paid labor slaves is kinda a humanitarian problem that restricted immigration is supposed to prevent.Dumbass.
>>64309949>foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of person.You left out the end of the quote because it completely contradicts your point lol
>>64309944>you have three options, take you kid with you, leave your kid with a relative, or leave your kid in foster care>THIS IS ILLEGAL! YOU CAN'T JUST TELL PEOPLE THE CONSIQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS! EVERY DECISION HAS TO BE A 15 YEAR LONG COURT CASE WITH NO RESOLUTION!!!No wonder leftists are losing. You guys literally don't know how to do anything.
>>64309941Because you can't paradrop millions of simultaneously pregnant women without state backing. That makes it a clear invasion force. It would require years of planning to make happen and would cost billions of dollars. People crossing the border naturally day by day with no explicit mission to have babies is in no way close to the same situation. That's like asking why 100 guys crossing an international border over the course of months, some of whom go on to commit murder within that country doesn't count as an act of war, but sending 100,000 men to go kill civillians in that country IS an act of war.
>>64309957>if I lie and make up a scenario that didn't happen then i'm right.wow you figured out debating.Too bad she was only given 2 options, leave with her daughter, or put her in foster care.
>>64309961>People crossing the border naturally day by day with no explicit mission to have babies is in no way close to the same situation.Why? The result is the same absurdity.
>>64309970Yeah, beacuse that's the two options she had. She chose the first one. Do you want them to bend reality and give her another option were she can do whatever she wanta forever and there's no law or rules or pain or death?
>>64309975Because one situation is individuals deciding what to do with their lives, the other is a nation-state attacking another nation-state.The result is frankly irrelevant to the law.
>>64309954I was selecting descriptors that anyone with a functioning brain could connect to the labor slave class of hispanics that have been created, but yey you keep on thinking you got it all figured out.Dumbass.>oh hey they're letting a pol thread stay up on kI giggled. Knew it would bring you retards out.
>>64309988....again, her husband is a US citizen who lives in the US who could've taken in the daughter, she wasn't given that option.I honestly don't even think ICE did this maliciously, they're just incompetent and see any delay from the courts as an attack against them personally so they rush things through making mistakes because they just don't give a fuck about these people, helll many people working for ICE don't even see them as people at all. Makes it a lot easier to treat them this way.
>>64309989First of all, mass migration has state backing so your point is irrelevant. Second, the result is the entire purpose of the law. Your refuse to acknowledge the absurdity of your conclusion is in itself an absurdity.
>>64309997>selecting descriptorsI thought you were quoting someone?
>>64310000She chose not to give the kid to the dad. Again, her decision.
>>64310007only if you believe ICE isn't lying.> Accounts from Lopez-Villela's family, including the child's father, and the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) present a different view. They allege that she was given no meaningful process and that her father, who is a U.S. citizen, was seeking to have the child returned to him. The father claims he was on the phone with Lopez-Villela, and she was crying and he was cut off while trying to give her a lawyer's number. A federal judge also expressed "strong suspicion" that the deportation occurred "with no meaningful process" and noted he was unable to verify the mother's consent before she was deported.
>>64309610My dude, ICE is deporting people like a white British woman who's lived here for 30 years and had three children for bouncing a $50 check 15 years ago. It's gone beyond crazy.
>>64310026The feds would never lie!
Right and left are both retards
>>64310007Look, even if you DO believe the ICE lies, now that you KNOW the father wants the child back, you KNOW the child is a US citizen, and you KNOW ICE is aware of this issue.Do you think the child should be returned to the US? If not, why not.
>>64310058Strategy of Tension
>>64310042If she's been here that long, how hasn't she gotten her citizenship? If I were to go to any other country on Earth and just squat there and do nothing else, I wouldn't hold it against them if they eventually told me to fuck off.
>>64309383>>64309419>>64309457Americans know that vigilance is the price of freedom. On the home front, a silent invader creeps into our rivers and lakes. It is not clad in a soldier’s uniform, but make no mistake — the Communist Carp is every bit the enemy of liberty-loving sportsmen! This foreign intruder gobbles up resources meant for our noble native fish, clouds the waters of our heartland, and spreads disorder wherever it swims.But the American spirit cannot be muddied. Every time a patriot casts his line and hauls in one of these finned infiltrators, he deals a blow against chaos and disorder. And when that carp is cleaned, cooked, and served at the family supper table, victory is tasted in every bite. For the Communist Carp is no match for Yankee ingenuity — where it seeks to overwhelm, we turn it into nourishment.So rise to your rods, citizens! Reel in the invader, fry it golden, and serve it with pride. Remember: to catch the Communist Carp is to defend America’s waters. To eat it is to prove that free men and women can turn threats into triumphs. Let no river go unguarded, no skillet go cold, fishing for carp is fishing for Freedom! Together, we will defeat this underwater menace — one patriotic plate at a time!Things to know!* In much of Asia and Europe, carp is a respected food fish.* In the U.S., common carp got a bad reputation as a “trash fish” because of muddy flavors and environmental impact, but that’s more cultural than culinary.* In fact, Asian carp species (like silver carp and bighead carp) are considered delicacies in parts of China and Vietnam and are very mild and clean-tasting.* If raised or caught in clean, flowing water, carp meat is much milder and can be quite tasty — firm, white, slightly sweet.* It’s a staple in Eastern European, Chinese, and Jewish cuisines (e.g., gefilte fish, fried carp, carp soup).
>>64310148>AI garbagefuck off retard
>>64310138NTA, but my dad lived here for like 15 years and never got his citizenship.He eventually moved back to the UK.
>>64310148Reminds me of that youtube horror video of a PSA telling every American to kill themselves in case of an invasion.>It’s a staple in Eastern European [...] cuisineThe shit carp I tried was caught from the clean, fresh and beautiful Võrtsjärv.
>>64309426Can’t they just grind them into fertilizer like they do with sardines?
>>64310173They do WHAT with my Deenz?!?!?!?!
>>64306594another shooting to move attention away from the files?
>>64310294next wag the dog move: war
>>64306606>>64306683Why do the "antifa" fags like an actual nazi gun so much
>>64306953>>64306970Wars of the RotundWar of Nacho AccretionRed Meat OctoberThe Intifatda
>>64306900>>64306915It's impossible to tell who's a lefty (or leftypol shill) and who's just such a doomer contrarian they latch onto anything that might destroy society.>>64306954>>64306962>>64307553It's this, they're looking for a reason to lash out and ex post facto justification.
>>643086801950s Turkish surplus. It's everywhere online.
>>64307525>>64308239Maybe he thought he could enchant it as a magical Anti-ICE Bullet that would deal extra damage to the fascist badguys like in his heckin Wolfenstein vidya
>americucks still seething over their neckless faggotGood grief.
