Say that a typical russian refinery gets hit by a ukrainian drone strike. How many days of production are lost to the strike? (e.g. if the refinery operates at 80% capacity for 30 days then that equals 6 days of lost production)Please provide credible sources if you can.
Well a lot of the strikes have been against the pumping stations, so even if they can maintain production the fact they can't load it on ships is a larger problem.
Shitty napkin math:https://www.jayneproducts.com/oil-refinery-turnaround-planning-and-refinery-turnaround-services“Refinery turnarounds typically occur every 3-6 years, last a few weeks to months”Let’s say it takes 50 days to fully repair a refinery after drones strike it. Also let’s say that a typical refinery has 50 tanks and each ukrainian drone knocks out one tank, so it needs to be replaced.Then each ukrainian drone is one day of lost production for the refinery it hits. Russia has about 100 refineries.So if one drone makes it to a refinery each day on average then that’s a 1% loss in refining capacity overall.
>>64312874refineries have a dozen weak spotsthe main weakness is their location and time of year they can be struckit's a logistical nightmare, especially when you require what the refineries produce to ship it elsewhere to be processedit can just sit there if shit isn't planned correctly
>>64312874they can't replace cracking towers
>>64312896Well they can, but it's so much longer, harder and likely more expensive than replacing a part of a pipeline
if you use the recent gas shortages in russia as a measuring stick, seems pretty substantial
It depends, refineries produce more than one product and have multiple processes.
>>64312896They can buy whatever they want through third parties. Shaheds are full of american electronics for example
>>64312896They can instal inferior Russian/Chink towers that produce inferior products
>>64312901Yeah so now you have 150 petroleum products that can't be sold
Also depends on >how big the drone is >how large a device it is carrying >how many drones in the attack You could theoretically say a single drone struck well could blow the whole thing to Kingdom come, but I would say that's unlikely.
>>64312906why are you comparing shahed to a cracking tower? do you know how each of those things even look like?
>>64312889Ukraine is targeting the cracking towers, not the tanks. Much harder to repair.
>>64312916Size doesn't matter, I'm just telling you that current sanction policy is not tight enough
>>64312920>Size doesn't matterdumb
>>64313034lmao ziggers maldingjebac ruskie kurwy :D
>>64312874Ones that hit tank farms? Lost storage capacity is bad but not crippling. Ones that damage pipes? Again, bad, but repaired within a few days-weeks. Loss of an AVT, distillation column, crack unit, or other piece of critical kit? Depending on what went up it's everything from partial capacity for a couple months to "oh shit that's 5% of the national gasoline supply gone up in flames" for the forseeable future.
>>64313034>defying all international laws and normsSuch as? Refineries have always been valid military targets
HYPOTETICALLYhow could one improve survivability of such a complex, ignoring arguments such as "put more AA around it", cause ziggers for sure won't.I know this is gonna sound dumb, but couldn't you put at least parts of the refinery underground or something? like in a mountainside? I know the cost would be astronomical, but just as a hypotetical.
>>64313034this, free my nigga strelkov
They keep hitting the cracking towers. And those take months to repair the right way with the right materials. And after they repaired them they hit them again. Ziggers can't stop it
>>64312917>Ukraine is targeting the cracking towers, not the tanksNot true in general: I’ve seen a few attacks that went for tanks. Honestly it makes sense because the an-196 is not exactly a precision munition
>>64313080There’s no point. Refineries are massive so burying one is expensive. You’d have to bury all the other infrastructure too. OTOH a drone will only knock out a small fraction of the refinery, which can be repaired fairly quickly.
>>64312920Sanctions aren't supposed to be perfect airtight, that's more or less impossible short of a full on blockade of the nation in question. It's designed to put pressure on the civilian population, who can't source the sanctioned items and jack up the price for the government. Sure Shasneeds are full of American parts, but the Iranians pay a premium for each chip they put it in, and the Russians pay a huge mark up to make it profitable for the Iranians.
>>64313096>And those take months to repair the right way with the right materials.You generally can't repair a distillation column, the steel is compromised and you have to make a new one. It takes the chinese up to a year and a half to fabricate one.These strikes have serious, lasting consequences which is why we're seeing fuel shortages in Moscow now.
>>64313135>otoh a drone will only knock out a critical component that is custom built specifically for the feedstock and requires extremely specialized skills and production facilities to replace>it's not like an ammonia plant failure due to a frozen and burst pipe will knock one offline for three monthshttps://www.cpr.org/2022/12/29/suncor-has-shut-down-colorados-only-refinery-thats-raising-concerns-about-air-quality-and-higher-gas-prices/
Damage to cracking facilities, which are responsible for balancing excesses and shortages of refined products from crude oil, will likely have an impact.
>>64313150>the steel is compromisedi'm not a metallurgist, how and why is this bad? is it about the presserure, corrosion, something else?
>>64313125Ok, I'll rephrase it. When they can target the cracking towers, they target the cracking towers. Which is often. Happy?
>>64313162High pressures and temperatures + compromised steel = bad times
>>64313162I'm not a metallurgist either, but my understanding is that heat (especially intense or prolonged heat) fucks up the treatment of the metal so it's no longer the same grade of steel; meaning it loses whatever ideal properties it was originally made for in the first place. Doesn't matter if you patch up a hole, if the entire belt around the middle of the tower will heat up, get weak and fold in on itself next time you turn it on.
>>64313217>>64313219got it, thanks anons
>>64313219Yup, this very much. When heated sufficiently, common steel loses most of its strength (to some degree permanently) before it even glows a dull red.The famous case of the jet fuel and the steel beams happened because the building's steel structure was rated to survive the regular contents of the building catching fire; they had not accounted for the possibility of fucktons of jet fuel burning inside (how could that ever happen?).Eventually, the steel got to a temperature where it wasn't anywhere close to melting, but it sure wasn't a viable structural material either.
>>64313034>nato demons
>>64313034>HATO demonssucks to suck, fascist
>>64313034It's crazy that this kind of bait gets genuine replies
>>64313034sounds like a plan, it's time to put it into action by joining the next presidential elections in russia
>>64313080>how could one improve survivability of such a complexeasy - don't start wars when these refineries generate your main income
>>64312889>Turnaround.
>>64313410https://youtu.be/2gCk9yBBOUo?si=fyhxSF29bH60FZY9
>>64313162Imagine a colossal pressure cooker. Except instead of being filled with food and water it's filled with oil, gasoline, and hydrogen gas. It's heated way above the flash point of said contents, and it's under extremely high pressure. You certainly don't want any "compromise" in that at all.
>>64313416got it anon, for some reason i was under the impression the distillation columns weren't really that high pressure and were kinda "boiling" and that's it? dunno why, i don't know much about refineries
If you knock out a destillation column you are looking at at least 1 year delivery time i think. These are custome made and you dont keep a huge column spare rotting away in a warehouse.>t. I used to buy pressure vessels for petro plants
>>64312874Hitting the loading facilities at ports seems pretty effective. This was two weeks ago and there's still a bunch of ships idling in the Gulf of Finland.
>>64313456From what I understand, larger facilities often have several different types of crackers and distillation systems depending on the feedstock and what they want to produce from it.US refineries tend to have more fluid catalytic crackers as those produce more gasoline. The process runs moderately hot but may be at atmospheric pressure for the most part.Euro and Russian plants use more hydrocrackers, which take partially distilled heavy crap and break it into saturated hydrocarbons of varying weights to make LPG, kerosene and diesel. These run hot and may be at over 100 atmospheres (with hydrogen mixed in).A little shrapnel in the right place could work wonders. And if it doesn't get hit by that, I can't imagine the thing being very safe to operate if a nearby fire has heated it well past its specified operating temperature even once.
>>64313478Absolutely remarkable how every time some random industrial niche process gets discussed on this board, we have at least one anon personally involved in the purchase and/or operation of said niche industrial process
>>64313567Knocking an AVT out completely halts primary refining from crude. Those are the ones under atmospheric pressure.
>>64313599Any tank hull casting Anons out there?
>>64312896>can't replace cracking towers>>64312898>much longer, harder and likely more expensive than [almost anything else]>>64313125>a few attacks that went for tanks>>64312892>refineries have a dozen weak spotsThere are videos of tanks being *HIT* ... which doesn't *necessarily* mean "targeted."a) they may be hit because something else was missedand b) they may be targeted because it would cause collateral damage to one or more higher value targetsCracking towers are very high value because they are the most expensive and difficult to replace. They are the core function of any refinery, while also being as (or more) vulnerable than almost any other target. Sometimes a drone just misses (for Reasons, such as damage from incoming fire from the ground, even if it's just krokodil-infused vatniggers with Aks). Sometimes taking out one tank inflicts damage on numerous nearby objectives.But, let us be real: the falling debris from kholkhol flamingos make small fires, sometimes, that brave vodka niggers extinguish before any damage can occur. Plez drink your plutonium-infused demoralize tea.
https://fixupx.com/MaxRTucker/status/1971505347534971061Ukraine’s 1st Army Corps has encircled hundreds of Russian troops in three pockets after they broke through Ukrainian lines around the town of Pokrovsk, and are methodically wiping them out. The Cauldrooning!
>>64313810>hundredsIt's at least a brigade-sized element, possibly a division. The map is also inaccurate, as Ukrainians appear to at least partially control the town of Novotoretske - there was an ambush there several days ago where some zigger infantry were casually walking along, clearly unaware that Ukrainians had reached the settlement and were lying in wait.
>>64313478I obviously don't have your field of expertise, but I can easily imagine how it's actually much more worse that the figure you're giving, which I assume is during "normal" times. Where you maybe have to produce such pieces for one refinery that will get upgrade, and one more for a new refinery (like, how many are built brand new each year? I assume you can count them on one hand). I assume it's an industry that works mostly on orders and on just-in-time, with capacity production based on this.Now imagine that you suddenly get an order for 30 pieces when you usually have to produce 3 or 4. There's no way it's still only 1 year in the current circumstances.
>>64313621There were some in another thread not too long ago.
>>64312906Not how it works, retard. This is not equipment you can buy off a shelf, it needs to be commissioned individually.
>>64313810>>64313821Here's another map that may be more accurate.
>>64313924Not every valve is unique, but the ones UA drones are targeting, unsurprisingly are at the most precious pieces.
>>64313945> a summers worth of gains gonekek
>>64313845Yeah they're looking at decades of lead time to fully restore refining capacity. Every one of those AVT units that goes down is a 2-3 year project and there's very few firms outside the western world that can build them.
>>64313456>some reason i was under the impression the distillation columns weren't really that high pressure and were kinda "boiling"You can do that, too, but efficiency and product quality goes way down.
>>64313080>HYPOTETICALLYOKay.>put at least parts of the refinery underground or something? like in a mountainside?>the cost would be astronomical>, butHypothetically, the USSR could have done it when they were a rich super power. But it wasn't done since the USSR fell apart. So hypothetically, the cost would have been astronomical had it happened before vatnikstan became vatnikstan. It's too late now. It wasn't done, it would take years and astronomical cost to have implemented before now, it can't be done now.Continuing hypothetically, the amount of infrastructure that could have been hidden/hardened/etc. would only be a percentage of the total that was available until recently. Let's guess maybe 10% of 2022 & before recent averages, at astronomical cost and total time involved to actually implement such a directive. Today's losses would be insignificant against total output. The engineering effort could not have been hidden, it would have been Biblical in magnitude, nearly one of the seven wonders of the modern world.It didn't happen. Even if it had happened pre-1993-ish or so, the impact at this time in the Ukraine war would not be significant right now. pozziya ain't gonna last long enough for that game to play out.Hypotetically.
>>64313293Steel gets weaker while it's hot, of course, since it's close to its melting point. That's what happened to the twin towers' steel beams. What those anons are describing is a totally different phenomenon that persists after the steel cools, where the heat causes the martensitic crystal structure in hardened carbon steels to revert back to an austenitic one. This permanently reverses whatever tempering and annealing treatment was done on the steel during its production. That's why if you leave your nice Magnacut knife blade in a campfire, when you pull it out again you're basically gonna be left with a chunk of mild steel that can't hold an edge.
For refineries that want to avoid the stagnation of flammable gases and the expansion of damage in the event of an accident, it would be difficult to build facilities underground or in tunnels.
>>64313096>>64313150>>64313162>>64313217>>64313219>>64313293>>64313416AnyAnons who read this exchange just learned an entire semester's worth of Structural Engineering.
>>64313150>You generally can't repair a distillation column, the steel is compromised and you have to make a new one. It takes the chinese up to a year and a half to fabricate one.This If they could be reasonably repaired, everyone would assemble them on site and not go through the massive pain in the ass that transporting them in one piece is
>>64313416>You certainly don't want any "compromise" in that at all.Reminder, this is Russia we are talking about, facing a choice between losing a face due to shortage of fuel and a risk of seconary incident on a compromised hastly repaired distillation column. There already was an incident due to debris on this plant not a long time ago, everyone got experienced already.
>>64313162thats the gist of it >>64313219If you want an everyday example just look at your HSS drills, the moment you overheat one, which is easily visible by the colorful discoloration, the drill turns into scrap metal
>>64314192The problem is that secondary incident is going to happen extremely rapidly after repair, with little to no warning, and the damage it causes will completely destroy what they just tried to fix and probably a good chunk of other important equipment besides.
>>64313989We're not talking about russian offensives, though?
>>64313989>muh twitter offensiveNice projection, russonigger. Even your own are confirming this though, and squealing about it.
>>64314894>r*ddit
>>64314894>reddit>askarussianFuck off, tranny
>>64312896they'll replace the cracking towers with nigging towers
>>64314917Eyyyy
>>64314894Why are you linking some FSB shills personal subreddit? What are you evne trying to achieve doing this?
>>64314948Correct. Russians always lie. ALWAYS trust a journalist over a Russian.
>>64314948>saaar go to subreddit saaar
>>64314948>actual russian citizensI'm an actual Russian citizen and I say there's no oil left at all in Russia. It's all gone.Now kill yourself, tranny.
>>64314955He gets paid by post. The shills know that money is running out
>>64314948Go to 2ch dot su/po or /b/actual russian citizens are having several thread per day about the shortages already being in Moscowjust dont fucking trust reddit where the fuck do you think you are retard
>>64313080>how could one improve survivability of such a complexdon't start a waryou're a nuclear power, nobody's going to start a war with you, so if you don't start a war with anyone else, you won't be at war, and your refineries won't be hit
>>64315026geg i checked the first thread on /po/ i found on that topic (https://2ch.su/po/res/60843740.html) and most of the responses where people comment on their own situation are basically "there's no crisis, i got fuel just fine, wtf are you yapping about"
>>64315026Firefox page translation is wild.
>>64315065of course you have to sift through the responses carefully. just like on 4cuck, most responses on 2ch are off-topic, memes or trolling. also if you need to translate russian to english then you've already lost.
>>64315091Yes comrade. Me John Johnavich from Cumblastu say there are no shortages. Its just western propaganda
>>64315025>muh actually live in RussiaYes, a lot of trnasparent FSB shills live in Russia. And like a lot of Russians, they tend to lie on the internet. (You) should know that, being another retarded shill yourself. Does Moscow pay you, or are you doing it for free?
>>64313080>how could one improve survivability of such a complexRussia simply can't afford to even try, they both have shortage of workers and unemployment problem at the same time
>>64315070I think it's Russian in general is hard to translate mechanically, it always seems to be gibberish.
>>64314964>ALWAYS trust a journalist over a Russian.Journalists are habitual liars and the scum of the earth.(not that it contradicts what you said, I just wanted to clarify)
>>64313821>an entire divisionI had assumed they rushed a fair few bodies there post haste but damn son
>>64315451Occam's Razor is that Russians, being habitual and persistent liars, are simply engaging in their normal behaviour and lying.
>>64315491That's right, I John Oblast say that Russia has lacking nothing. Everything in da working order for da great Modda RusSia
>>64315491>umm actually the country built on falsehoods with a population objectively known to be blatant liars run by a falsely elected "president" that lies through his teeth to eternaly mulch the idiots that let him stay in power should be protected from your mean assumptions because my mental gymnastics allows me to lie to myself as well.child logic, did all the vatnigger shills capable of thinking get vaporized already? I mean russia is literally known for potemkin villages and boris yeltsin couldn't believe that our stocked grocery stores weren't a show to save face like his entire country.
>>64315545>the country built on falsehoods with a population objectively known to be blatant liars run by a falsely elected "president" that lies through his teeth to eternaly mulch the idiots that let him stay in poweridk what country you're describing but it's not russia>potemkin villagesdebunked https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potemkin_village#Historical_accuracy>muh yeltsinlmao
>>64315290This plus 2ch (or whatever that is) slang.
>>64315491>the assumption that Russians lie all the time is extremely unlikelyIt's not an assumption, it's an empirically demonstrated fact.
>>64315451Counterpoint: you posted a soijak, your argument is invalid.
>>64315631its not though
>>64315290Russian isn't a language, it's a prison code made up almost entirely of slang and innuendo to root out 'non-Russians'. If you weren't raised somewhere surrounded by the idioms and turns of phrase endemic to Russian culture, you'll never be able to communicate with one of them. Depicted: me looking on in utter confusion while a Putnik tries explaining why the eggs will soon be in the ass within the next two weeks when all I asked was where to find some dairy products that weren't under armed guard and Gillette boxes.
>>64315647>russian is actually just russian words arranged according to russian grammar, and some russian idioms too>if you don't know russian you can't understand what russian speakers are sayingwow really nigger?
>>64315638You're demonstrating it right now, Boris.
>>64315667Russian 'grammar' is real-life Nadsat.
>>64315670obsessed
>>64315451>I'm not a russoid shill, I just consistently talk like one>NOOO, YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE MY FELLOW SHILLS ON REDDIT AND SHITTY RUSSKIE SITES!
>>64315491>the assumption that Russians lie all the timeThat's no assumption, that's a known and proven fact. Seethe more about it.>>64315584>idk what country you're describing but it's not russiaIt absolutely, undeniably IS Russia, though. >>64315638It absolutely is, though. And your seething and desperate lying about it just further proves it, russonigger.
>>64313946>Czech subtitles for Russian propaganda showIs this what they feed boomers on facebook these days?
>>64312874Going by how hard the resident vatnik shill is tilting out and desperately trying to pretend that nothing is happening, it's gotta be a lot.
>>64315728Erm, no? Sorry not sorry to dissapoint you, russonigger, but you coping, seething, dilating and denying doesn't actually debunk the sum total of reality. Try seething harder next time, maybe it'll get you something other than dissapointment. (Hopefully a fatal stroke.)
>>64315708>A fictional language derived from a collection of slang and inference, exactly because it's used by a criminal gang using the language of a criminal people. I will say though, your individual grasp of human language is admirable. Guessing something particularly expensive just blew up if they're dusting you off.
>>64313219>>64313293To add to this:Google Young's modulus. When under pressure, steel gradually loses its stiffness becoming elastic similar to rubber.t. Civil engineer
>>64314894>redditDo shills really?
>>64315748And we've arrived at literally just projection, as per usual with nekulturniy pidor shills getting called out on their retardiation.>gegPlease speak a civilized language, barbarian.
>>64312874I wouldn't worry about it.Seems like a nothing burger. Armies without armored divisions don't run on refineries.
>>64315756What do Buhankasand Ladas run on?
>>64312874>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVM--NuKNs0More than you might have thought before the war, but less than the average yay-nafo type of kneejerker believes.
>>64315756Can you walk and chew gum at the same time?
>>64315584Oh wow a genuine puccian!Go die. Please.
>>64315758Cubed mobiksThe high ethanol content in their blood makes them very efficient when converted to bio-diesel
>>64315746>Young's modulusHelluva game, that was. Helluva game.
>>64315832the point of a refinery is to convert crude oil into various pretroleum products, you cant produce anything if those columns are destroyed
>>64315832Oh, wheelchaircopelord, is here. GREATTTTTTT. Post skullet.
>>64315836for the smaller refineries, you could be right, but i am guessing that russia's largest refineries could have several cracking towers. in that case if ukraine destroys one then the others can still be used.also ukraine often just targets the fuel tanks from what ive seen (not as valuable but at least an-196 drones can reliably hit them). obviously this destroys fuel and requires people to put the fire out but it's not nearly as devastating to refinery operations
>>64315451>dvachCurious how you use it's Russian nickname.It's not that they're FSB agents, it's that Russians lie on the internet worse than pajeets.
>>64315474Not an entire divisional unit, to clarify, but an collection of smaller units fed in piecemeal totalling a division in size
>>64315873medshttps://find.4chan.org/?q=dvach
>>64315832What if the refinery is being continuously struck, over and over again, every few days or so?
>>64315832>it should be at most 13 percent if they strike the largest refinery and as little as 1% if a small refinery gets hit13% is such a specific figure. Did you choose it over, say, 10% to convey an impression that you didn't just pull a random number out of your arse?
>>64315683I know you are, but what am i?
why dont they just build massive cope cages for the whole refinery? are they stupid?
>>64315791>we not we'veGood job outing yourself as ESL, too, pidor.Cope, seethe, dilate and project harder.>>64315895Yes, you need to take some if you actually believe anyone is falling for your delusional cope, russonigger.
>>64316020They havehttps://x.com/igorsushko/status/1784224706293539308/photo/1
>>64315791Holy ESL
>>64312874>How much damagea lot if they can hit the right parts, it will shut down all production for many months
>>64313821>It's at least a brigade-sized element, possibly a division.You're out of your mind. Nobody is putting those kind of numbers into tiny little areas like that
>>64316295have you been living under a rock for the past 2 years? That's russia's ENTIRE strategy at this point, since they're effectively out of armor
>>64316295>Not understanding after all this time and all these attacks, from the 200-vehicle pileup at the very start to the modern day, that Russia's only move, their singular attack style, is mobbing together some random meat cubes and shepherding them in the same direction as soon as they can find a weakness in the line somewhere, even if that weakness is only feignedUkraine is using their very obvious and telegraphed tactics against them. Its not complicated when the enemy only ever does one thing because they can't trust their own people to think or dissent.
>>64313599NTAYou'd be surprised what kind of autistic are on here and the industries I've worked in and people I've met through 4chan
>>64315791>even if the author is some unknown nigga with no subs>vatnigger cannot argue against the facts in the video, tries to poison the wellYou are not being subtle, retard.
>>64316420> using their very obvious and telegraphed tactics against themYou mean like when ukraine made a bunch of trailers for the 2023 offensyiv, then got surprised when their newly-donated tanks and IFVs got rekt by minefields?
>>64313410>Every now and then I get a little bit lonely, and you're never coming 'round.
>>64314917No, the cracking towers are replaced with kiking towers, deal with it chuddie.
>fenting towers
>>64316548>we’ve arrived -> present tenseI am aware, ESL zigroid. You evidently were not, given the dleusional nature of your post.>It’s natural to be a little carefulThat's not what you were being, zegroid. Again, you're not being subtle outside of your delusions. Also, you are unironically arguing that fucking sub counts on youtube are worth anything. And here I thought you trying to use motherfuckign reddit as an argument was the most retarded you could possibly be.>I watched the video and some of the conclusions are indeed strangeWell I watched it, too, and all of the conclusion are, in fact. quite sensible and not "strange" outside of your transparent zegroid attempts at denying reality.Have fun with the gas shortages in Moscow, nekulturnij pidor.>>64316592>he has to trott out events from 2 years ago, againJesus fucking Christ, how utterly were your fellow zegroids BTFO'd today that you have to dig this far down?Also hilarious how THAT is still your grand triumph to brag about, even though said offensive still resulted in your fellow zegroids suffering 5-10 casualties for every ukrainian one and ukrainian armor is looking healthier than yours nowadays.
>>64316832>and ukrainian armor is looking healthier than yours nowadays.Haven't you heard? Mighty puccia has finally unveiled their next armored group to throw into the meat grinder, the mighty T72! Quake in fear, wectoids!
>>64316856>T-72AOh for fucks sake, the last junkyard clunkers are coming out. I guess we are gonna see them emptying Kubinka by late 2026 at this rate.
>>64316856>T-72A hullsImagine the cost of making T-90s with those, they don't have alternative but kek. >I'm still waiting to see the official announcement of a "T-24" less retarded than the armata and for actual production
>>64316856It would be funny if there was a Spiderweb type thing that just shit thermite all over those old hulks, take them from difficult to repair to impossible. Or a few Flamingos.Unfortunately there's surely better targets. They could have a million tanks, it wouldn't matter if they had no gas.
Zigger has been working overtime today. He's been spewing puccian propaganda for hours in this thread. Shills can't handle that gains that Ziggers made in two years were gone in several days, and now Trump called them a paper tiger.
>>64316913Flamingo has a 1000 kilogram warhead. You punt that into a tight parking lot and it will fuck up dozens. Worse once they bring out the DPICM warheads that are in the pipeline now.
>>64316913Thermite will just fuck the hulls themselves by burning holes straight to the ground directly through what little mechanical parts still work and warping metal/dripping molten slag all over anything in it's path. It's not going to blow them up dramatically, but you don't need to do that in this scenario.
>>64316913>>64316888Just thermite the engines, desu
>>64316942I'm not so sure the ones left have working engines anyways. I suspect that these are the very bottom of the barrel scrapings, anything that could run already being sent into the wood chipper.
>>64316946>coping zegroid trying to project againOnly one being made fun of here is you and your slowly collapsing failed state that can't even provide enough gas for its capital anymore, pidor.Also, nice copium you got there. Lest we forget, again: Even this "epic fail" resulted in 5-10 dead zegroids for every ukrainian casualty. So good job, pidor, you've officially reached the point of admitting that your fellow countrymen getting slaughtered only 10:1 is an "epic fail". LMAO. Guess that is the best you can expect from a thirdie failed state that's reached the point of gas shortages in its capital becuase it's losing a war against an opponent a fraction its size.
>>64316873Maybe if we're lucky the Ukranians can capture the Maus and put it somewhere that isn't russia.
STATUS????
>>64312906those american electronics are just generic lego components you find in pretty much every circuit board. they are not things that would be restricted and we aren't about to place export controls on every fraction-of-a-cent transistor we crank out.
>>64313599AutismI love these in-depth explanations ngl
>>64316856I bet they saved the best for the last. These are probbaly is near mint condition, just a new paint job and Ukriane is finished.
>>64312906This is a catalytic cracking unit. It makes shoes for orphans.It's also a bit harder to smuggle into the country than a shipping container full of consumer appliance electronics.Not that the rate of production for these things, worldwide would start to cover the losses Russia is taking, but that's just details.
>>64317776>create an orphan shoe factory in Kazakhstan >order the catalytic cracking unit>ship it to siberia laterIt's that simple
https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1971862033986621637BREAKING: Russian Kilo-class submarine Novorossiysk suffered an "accident" in the Mediterranean Sea.Fuel is now leaking directly into the hold due to a damaged fuel system. Other problems arising.This may be why it was spotted surfaced in the Strait of Gibraltar yesterday.https://x.com/igorsushko/status/1971864346126155785According to leaked information, there are no parts nor qualified specialists on board the submarine for needed repairs. Fuel continues to accumulate in the hold and considered a risk for explosion.The crew is likely to attempt to pump the fuel out directly into the sea.Brace for incoming wave of seething russiabots.
>>64318140Inb4 it sinks
>>64316592Kind of, yeahExcept instead of just hiding behind minefields like the russians the Ukrainians are seizing ground from the enemy and encircling their forces as they do
>>64318140Please tell me that's not a recent pic. That rust and knowing it is in salt water is painful to look at.
>>64318199That's K-159, an old November-class nuclear sub. Pic is from 2003, when the ziggers tried to tow it to a shipyard for scrapping after it had laid at pier (fully fueled up) without maintenance since 1989. It unsurprisingly sank on the way. It's been leaking radiation into the Barents Sea ever since.
>>64318199>>64318907see those big cisterns that kept the pile of shit afloat? those were from 1943
>>64317776It's just welded steel anon. If you care about Western quality control and safety it's a slow expensive part. If you're a zegroid you can weld it up pretty fast. It only needs to last a few months untli the next drone anyway.
>>64316856https://united24media.com/latest-news/russia-spends-10-years-on-secret-microwave-weapon-then-sends-it-straight-to-a-museum-10086
