T-50: trainerT-50B: aircraft meant for acrobatics and air shows, so far only used by the Black Eagles acrobatic group of Korea's Air ForceTA-50: Lead In Fighter Traier (LIFT) version of the T-50EA-50: Supposedly the Electronic Warfare variant of the T-50 based on the TA-50 LIFTFA-50: The most combat capable variant of the three variantsF-50: The single seat version of the FA-50 that recently resumed development after cancellation in 2016What else can you talk about this aircraft?
>>64312953Countries with corrupt brass buy the combat version to technically put a put a plane in the sky while pocketing the rest of the money instead of buying a real fighter like an F-16 or Gripen
too cute.nice tranerhere is some useless usesbut the F40 is better trainer and much simpler to use and fuctionalso the bombing side of the machine isn't neededand the jet is perfect for island short runways.but yes the F40 models are very cheap but they work with amrams and sidewinder and rockets which is more than enough to down most small to medium ships.and if you need something better just ask the usa to helpsimple.and these trainers are much easier to convert into combat models since is very simular to the frogfoot but faster and more weaponsso training is just the peace time thingbnut its great for support.being small and light its very hard to hit at high altudesagain then all you have to do is know how to manuve the thing and its quick and easy to use.>>64312960but yes the F16C and D are a excellent to go against the j10but i would not give thridies good tech :Pbecause they might give it to china.
>>64313038I read somewhere that the T-50 trainers were originally meant to train fighter pilots to master the F-16, and KAI even collabed with Lockheed Martin for that.
Korea built the FA-50 because it's all they will ever need against Nork MiG-21sWhy waste their F-16s, F-15s and F-35s against those? I wager even FA-50s with uncucked missiles and an AWACS plane can shoot down MiG-29s but will get rekt by Su-30s and above
>>64312953China win again! :)Two engines, but half price and can get pars from not just China and severwal customas but also Wussia and Itwe.
No.64313061>mig29depends on model.chinese version are alot better than russian versions.just as the J6 is WAY batter than the standard mig21 because rader.as for the mig29they where desgined to fight f16A's not f16C and Donly russiam mig29SM can take on F15 and f16's on their own termsmign29's is only held back by its crappy aa missiles not its airframe.never underestimate the enemyas for the FA50 its rader is from F18 hornetit will pwn the sky even by its selfeven without its jamming podits rader is 3 times better thwn f16C's raderso no need for awacsif you give the F/A50 a awacs as wellit will literally just pwn enemy before it even enters the airspaceand because of fast take off it can be up in 30 secondsbecause its very lightall it is is slower then mig 29 and mig 21and laughable against mig 30 mind you the mig 30 was desgined to take on F14 tom cats and would pwn any f15cbut not the D or E varient because of crqappy rader and missilesbut likely if war breaks out china will just give the norks a gimped version of their j10 rader and j10 missile and that would equalise everything chine hates the norks but they hate america being cl-ose to them even harder.so they would take the risk IMO.
>>64313079unimplessive chong dong long
>>64313103if Italians copy Russian design that says a lot, and if China adopts same design when they are pumping out legit clean sheet stealth fighters and epic flying boats, that says even more. Yak-130 is one of those immoral perfect designs. You can modernize it, but you wont do better.Add to that its inherently durable and low cost to make.Its like the Cessna 172 of super sonic jets.
>>64313185implessive>when they are pumping out legit clean sheet stealth fighterslol no they aren't.>ebin flying boatsthat are useless for most of the year.
>>64313185>flying boatsThe Chinese will do anything but make proper LPDs including using civilian cruise ships and seaplanes on the most turbulent seas in the world.
>>64312953GE ostensibly put forward a proposal to outfit a possible second gen T-50 with a F414, the same engine as the Super hornet. So, could a Thirdie air force get super hornets and this hypothetical T50 as a high low mix. Kinda like a poor man's F15/F16 mix, how good would it be?
>>64313079china can only copy
>>64314937Most of the design was done by the engineers responsible of the Yak-130. It's a Yak-130/M-346 derivative.
>>64312953>What else can you talk about this aircraft?Imho trainers like the FA-50, M-346FA etc paired with a tpod and APKWS can become the perfect anti drone platform. Long loiter time, low operating cost and double use with training squadrons. >>64313185>if Italians copy Russian designYou mean completely fix and revamp the original design which had lower performances than a MB-339? The Yak-130 is more italian than the M-346 is Russian. Especially when considering not even 8 months into the project the engineering team was composed of 90% Aermacchi employees, gradually almost only italian funded and moved to Venegono. The russians were too busy trying to scam with actuator prices and throwing a hissy fit over the removal of the winglets/wing shape redesign. >they are pumping out legit clean sheet stealth fightersExcept they aren't, they are just copies of the US study on various stealth/manouverability designs.
>>64314954The yak 130 itself was a copy of the m 346, Yak didn't contribute anything to the joint project and aermacchi basically did all the work. The Yak also has a pretty bad accident record and the Chinese K8 has a pretty shit accident record to so, it's a crapshoot how unsafe this is gonna be
>>64315008>they are just copies of the US studyProofs?
>>64315328It was a joint development (AM fixing the bad initial prototype), by definition it isn't a copy because Yakovlev is one of the owners of the design.
>>64314285hard to tell needs testing first sounds good though
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It's the new A-4 Skyhawk/F-5E TigerNot every Chairforce needs to suck off MIC, not every Chairforce is going to be in an actual shooting war
>>64317797>not every Chairforce is going to be in an actual shooting warWe're literally on the brink of WW3. Chinkland is blatant about wanting to expand their own territories. The middle east is hotter than ever. Armed trainers are retarded
>>64317813>Chinkland is blatant about wanting to expand their own territories.Sucks to be in Asia but it doesn't matter if you're far away in the world
>>64317824the only place not at imminent risk of war is antartica. Even the fucking south american monkeys are being eyed by the US and argies/huehues are a bad soccer match away from declaring war on eachother to shift the attention from their banana economics
>>64317813>>643178342032.
>>64317797>It's the new A-4 Skyhawk/F-5E TigerIronic since flips used to have F-5s, though only mostly F-5As and F-5Bs that they used for 40 years until their retirement 20 years ago in 2005
>>64318497Pinoys are corrupt and don't care about national defense, they're a non-functioning client state.
>>64314285even for poor thirdies it's a league better than the mig 29
>>64318514A lot of Filipinos are in favor of improving the military. They hate the government for pocketing much of the budget
https://alert5.com/2025/09/18/u-s-navy-jet-trainer-contest-intensifies-as-competitors-target-boeings-strugglesLooks like it might be the plane to replace the Navy T-45 Goshawk
>>64318918The winner will be the SNC Scorpion. It's the only one build to do carrier landings. And if they do not choose that it will be the T-7 due to Boeing corruption
>>64318918When is the decision due to be made?
>>643192251 or 2 decades
>>64312953>gookshill is back
>>64319245it's marginally better than chinkshilling 'cause it doesn't take up half the board
>>64318918lmao
>>64319245I'll take the malay schizo and gookshill over the chinkspammers any day.
>>64317834>Even the fucking south american monkeys are being eyed by the USOnly the drug cartel ones, America won't do shit to Huezil and the southern coneBurgers don't know where the western Latinxirs are to careSubsaharan, central and southern Africa will never get touched in a world warSame thing with North America, Australia, Central Asia and the Tropico shitholes in the CaribbeanIt's just Yurop, Middle East and Asia/Pacific
>>64312960Their use case rarely requires Viper or Gripen so wasting resources is stupid. Not everyone needs jet fighters, just mostly ground attack missile trucks with bomb racks mounted as desired.
>>64320566Hoping to use them against only rebels isn't going to work when eventually they aren't gonna be able to get close to older Chinese ships consistently because of their half baked AWACS integration. Block 20 somewhat addresses that and gives them a gucci'd out radar from the Growler, but that doesn't fix it's really poor kinetic or payload performance. Half the payload for not even half the price? Is it worth it? It's just barely a light fighter that carries more penalties than a Gripen already has.
>>64312960Nah. Malaysian here. We bought it because we simply don't have enough airframes OF ANY TYPE to give our pilots flying time. In the entire country, there is only about 25 frontline fighter aircraft. That's less than 2 full squadrons. Having more airframes means we can train more pilots. Any attack capabilities is a bonus.
>>64313045checks out, it's got the F16 landing gear and wing configuration, all around looks like baby f16 and even has a copy of the F16 cockpit. Although I do think it's also because KIA used to build f16s and used everything that could from that kinda like how they used M16 stuff on the Daewoo k1 and K2
>>64319322Americans are taller than asians. Film at 11.
>>64319004>SNC Scorpionnext USN carrier trainer wont do carrier landings on real carriersco-ed DEI pilots will be making their first ever attempts with real $100M fighters. What could go wrong?
>>64320848At least you have fighter aircraft. We flips don't even have one.
the latest Block 20 version of the FA-50 ordered by Poland and Malaysia is better than the previous version as it had newer capabilities and can be considered as a "mini-MRCA" with AESA radar and AIM-120 capabilities which put them on par with F-35 and older aircraft like Gripen, Rafale, F-18F Superhornet and F-15EX. The FA-50 capability is as good as a Multi Role Combat Aircraft, a bigger and more expensive fighter jet. The RMAF FA-50 has completely changed the equation in the region and will be the most advanced aircraft in region
>>64321519The biggest problem facing RMAF right now is the insufficient number of fighter aircraft in service. With only 8 F/A 18D, 18 Su 30MKM and 16 BAE Hawk, despite Malaysia having a large airspace. Malaysian main weakness is to fifth generation aircraft. Eventhough the US bribing Malaysia not to join BRICS with sale of F-35, it wont be easy for them if the US Congress keep trying to meddle in and trying to approve it only with terms. Although both countries are friends, Malaysia is not that close with US, unlike Singapore , which the US gave much favour too. Also, Putrajaya (Malaysia) did not recognized Israel and dont have any Diplomatic relationship with Tel Aviv. Unlike Singapore which is the strongest supporters of Israel's war against the Palestinian people.So, you can do the math why Malaysian prefer to get 2nd hand F-18 from Kuwait as a temporary "stop-gap measure" only, as a temporary filling in the procurement of fifth or sixth generation fighter jets that will begin in the 14th Malaysia Plan (RM14 & RM15) 2030-2040.
>>64322179At least you still have fighters. Better that than none at all. Look at us Flips.
>>64322177>which put them on par with F-35 and older aircraft like Gripen, Rafale, F-18F Superhornet and F-15EX.No one believes this except the most disillusioned gookshill.
>>64322179>>So, you can do the math why Malaysian prefer to get 2nd hand F-18 from Kuwait as a temporary "stop-gap measure" onlyIsn't the Kuwait deal canceled since it was determined that the costs of refurbishing the fighters was not worth it when considering the short airframe lifespan remaining?
>>64322492You won't get much sense from the Malaysian schizo, he stretches everything.
>>64322492It was actually because the terms were that Kuwait would only relinquish their Legacy Hornets after receiving Super Hornets. Since this has been held up, the Kuwaitis will need to keep the C/Ds in service longer and this has led to the whole deal collapsing
