The AF turned back from the proposal to axe the E-7 completely and use 'space based' sensors. I wonder who has a big space based business and whispered that idea into Trump's ear?>This is the same guy that said F-35s were useless and doesn't understand drones 2 E-7 units are currently in retrofitting in the UK to USAF spec and then full production will start in Kansas after their 2027 delivery. IMO the AF should retire the E-3s right now to free up funding for the E-7s as the 70s radomes are nearly obsolete, the E-2s can fill in the gap as the AF had proposed.Anyway, Australia thread? Boeing Australia and Australia branch defense contractors in general make things come to fruition without a load of bureaucratic bs somehow as of late. I think that's really impressive.https://www.airandspaceforces.com/pentagon-bold-pivot-keeping-e-7-alive/
>>64313100>oooh, you're a righter pilot!>more like babysitter...>get lost!
>>64313100Fucking thank God.Of all the harebrained cancelations this seemed to have the biggest potential to do real lasting damage
>>64313100>2 E-7 units are currently in retrofitting in the UK to USAF speclmao yeah this is us cutting the planned fleet from 5 aircraft to just 3, no doubt
>>64313100Thank Christ someone pulled his head out of his ass and told Hegseth to get fucked.
>>64313130Probably. They bought 5 radar sets but only 3 planes in the end so this is likely the 2 spares getting flogged back to America.
explain this wedgie shit like I'm a bitch.does it only work when flying broadside to target area?I see fighter jet radar is now just a bunch of blocks in the nose like a wedgie.Does that mean if they wanted they could put the blocks in a row on leading edge of wing or tail?
>>64313100You say that, but now he's back, so I don't know exactly how much of an impact he had. Hegseth's canceling of projects (good ones, in general) is not an outlier here. It's standard behavior for him. He typically offers up an excuse or alternative, so I'd be willing to bet that he did say, "I want to cancel this plane shit, it's expensive... let me ask if satellites can do this." And was told in a roundabout way they could. It's also worth noting, and people like to sleep on this... but the Bald Bozo has just as much influence in this area. As does Old Space who need anything they can in terms of launches to stay alive. Elon doesn't need this, and probably (if asked) only answered in the hypothetical rather than the affirmative that they would do this. He does that a lot if you've listened to him talk before. There's also the NRO who would want this, as would the satellite manufacturers in general.
>>64313378>Hegsethputting him in proves Trump isn't serious about anything.I'm sure there is at least 1000 recently retired generals/MIC pros, and 3,000 ex colonels with actual brains (my spies tell me colonels tend to be the best because to make general you gotta sell out and kiss ass) that could actually do the job and wouldn't be Dry Drunks.It ain't like Pete spent his time at Fox as being some brainy ace reporter/investigator. He read the teleprompter, and no doubt was constantly sneaking shots from flask.
>>64313203These planes generally skim borders and hang back, so the array being on the side is better than the front. It's also heavy and power hungry on a plane already full of computers and personnel so being strapped on top like the space shuttle makes more sense than on the wings that are already filled with fuel and holding the engine nacelles.
>>64313425A fighter plane radar is smaller so it can fit into the nose and move around.
>>64313203it has two smaller radars in the areas colored black to cover the blind zones
>>64313100>https://breakingdefense.com/2025/05/space-force-testing-space-based-sensors-to-track-airborne-targets/>'space based' sensors.hand't they been told the no word already with this idea? I mean on paper yes, moving AWACS capabilities to space makes a lot of sense... if we could do that in less than 15 years.
>>64313429>>64313425thx, I was mostly wondering if radar now being just a collection of bricks it might free up designers to make diff shaped nose or put something else in the nose.Would it work radar wise to distribute the bricks to mostly leading edge of wings and tail, and stash a few other bricks looking out the sides and rear?
>>64313100>just use only satellites broseems completely retarded, how did this even come close to being considered? also can the E-7 perform all of the functions of the old E-3s?
>>64313756It does everything the E-3 did but better, with more space for CCA operators too.
>>64313425>It's also heavy and power hungryHow do they cool it?
>>64313886You know gaming PC water cooling?Like that, but bigger and custom.
>>64313756Because muh cuts muh savings LOOK HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE SAVING GUISE.also, radars and that gay ass technology shit don't actually matter and what matters is that our military has good PTdid I mention MUH PT
>>64313378>>64313412>>64313975God I fucking hate Hegseth.
>>64313378I'll say this, I bet there is metric fuckton of overlapping programs across the all branches of the military and some of them are probably so classified that even 4-stars are totally oblivious. Why wouldn't we want to switch everything to satellite since apparently most of the data comes from there anyways?
>>64314004Might be a worse SecDef than McNamara.
>>64313712Leading edges are often moving components, you can't really put radars on them, because of the aerodynamic shape requirements. You can put some side-looking radars on, but you usually just want to concentrate them facing where you're expecting targets to be, radars are power hungry, expensive components and they also harm stealth characteristics (the radome has to be radar transparent both ways, so you're limited to angling the radar array and accepting that that part of the aircraft isn't gonna be as stealthy). RWR antennas have been stuck on leading edges and whatnot though, they're just passive receivers.
>>64314004Fucker's beyond unqualified, he's anti-qualified. He's a political torpedo aimed right at the DOD's keel.
>>64313712Yeah, they call them thin panel arrays, and conformal load bearing antennas. Putting the all around the plane flush with the plane skin surface and leading/trailing edges is something they're calling distributed aperture radar arrays, and Boeing's X-47 is supposed to use that very system. You show look into Northrop Grumman's Sensorcraft, too. The problem with building the flat panel array into the wing surface is that the wing flexes, so the distance between the T/R "blocks" is always changing which fucks with your radar processors ability to build a coherent, accurate picture of what it's seeing. You have to have fancy algorithms and sensors to monitor the deflection, twisting, etc of the array to make it work lile a fixed AESA array mounted in the nose. I'm phone posting, but go through the links in my posts I linked on desuarchives to read a little more about what I'm talking about.https://desuarchive.org/k/search/text/Sensorcraft%20/
>>64313130Was there a white paper recently? How many nasty paper cuts you got when it touched you?
>>64313131Now watch Hegsie refusing to spend the money out of spite.
AWACs is completely obsolete. Drones are the future.
>>64314392>Might be a worse SecDef than McNamara. If you called McNamara a retard, he'd have demanded a 100-page research paper on why you consider him a retard. And, if the data was sound, he'd have acted on at least *some* of the info presented. If you call Hegseth a retard, he'll go out of his way to prove you right.
All the seething about Hegseth makes me think there has to be some DoD paper pusher here, anyone want to explain the pizza orders last night?
>>64314616It's all the fat fuck DEI hires from leftypol and plebbit that are getting shit canned because they can't do a pull-up and pass a basic PT test. They big mad their welfare is gone, and they'll have to work at McDonald's with the rest of their loser kind.
>>64314574you're completely obsolete, i'm going to replace your droneshill ass with a drone that shuts the fuck up because that would be less annoying.
>>64314616>>64314628Yeah why aren't our military members respecting the fox news host alcoholic who never served in any actual capacity that mattered and now gets to pretend he's somehow more qualified than they all are.Really shocking stuff.
>>64314666I am curious as to who his dad is. He's a coastal elite that figured out the fox news grift was to pretend to not be that.
>>64314666I'm not a milfaggot I don't care if Hegseth makes lifers mad.
>>64314692Gutting our edge edge in tech to own the libs is retarded. He did fine axing the DEI bullshit but those programs barely were worth any budget and now has his sights on things that we actually use.
>>64314733I dunno man this sounds more like he's killing tangential projects that could be useful but its more that some milsperg is losing their favorite fap material that its a problem. People were crying about the Booker getting cancelled too.
>>64314733This. He's basically a turbo reformer, agree that dei had to go but thinking that awacs are dumb because they don't spam sparrows is retarded. Just like gutting logistics, that's how you get 40 km stalled convoys.
So how is an AWACs not just a big expensive target in a peer war with China. AWACs work against Russia because Russia can't reach out, but China will be able to. Thought that was why each F35 is technically an AWACs.
>>64314769large AWACS platforms have the bandwidth to communicate with dozens of platforms in the area and coordinate between them as well as provide large area high quality radar scans.
>>64314769F35 is not a dedicated awacs, but you can see from the jeet poofling that awacs are essential. One side had them, the other didnt. Additionally, chink awacs are just as vulnerable if not moreso than our own.
>>64314733Maybe instead of putting our cutting edge tech, he's deploying it and cutting redundant programs that are less effective. None of us really know, so it's all speculation anyways.
>>64314744Could be useful? AEW&C assets are more important than ever with the whole networked forward observer and linebacker missile truck concept. Shit like Rapid Dragon and standoff munitions from less survivable platforms (B-52) gets reverted to Gulf War capabilities without AWACS. Even moreso important for coordinating shit like drones and CCAs.>>64314769Physical limitations. An E-7 has 100x the radar panel area than an F-35 and a dozen battle management officers. Our SM-6s outrage any Chinese A2A missiles and we can keep the AWACS at standoff range with destroyer and air cover.>>64314818What does this even mean? All the shit that's been deployed such as in the Red Sea have been around decades before his position.
>>64314818Its hard to tell, some people are adamant that these aren't going to be grounded or destroyed in a conflict with a capable enemy and that satellites are inferior. Are AWACs good? Yes, but not if they're easily touchable.
>>64314842Again, cuts both ways. That's like saying to ditch infantry because chyna can shoot at them.
>>64314851No, we came up with tanks and armored infantry. The solution isn't double down like a WW1 general its to innovate. Unless the E7 has sone crazy countermeasures it's a lot of money in one place.
>>64314863So what, strap a laser to it? Pretty sure part of the reason f47 is such a tall ask is because they did that, probably to defend shit like awacs.
>>64314666Cope, you're getting demoted or discharged. Learn to not be a fat fuck waste of flesh troon leftoid.>>64314733>Gutting our edge edge in tech to own the libs is retardedWhat, exactly, is he cutting in relation to cutting-edge tech? Be specific, and prove it is Hagseth doing the cutting, and not the service in which controls the funding for said programs - if they even exist.
>>64314744>tangential projectsYou're just outing yourself as a wholly clueless retard by trying to portray the likes of motherfucking AWACS as that.>muh fap materialNow this is just projection, given Hegsie's explicitly targetting shit that ISN'T sexy. Because he's a clueless retard who thinks that something being big shiny and in the foreground means it's more important.
>>64314922>defending the stupid prick simply because he wears the right arm bandYou're a joke
>>64314941So, you can't show any cutting-edge programs Hegseth has personally cut? Got it. You can only seethe like the impotent, worthless DEI hire leftiod you are. Back to McDonald's for you, Andrew "Amy" Quinn.
>>64314922>fat fuck waste of flesh troon leftoid.Jesus you're mad about that, robert
>>64314959Mad about what Andrew "Amy" xir?
>>64314958The OP already did, you clueless mongoloid.
>>64313100Thank God
>>64314969It's wild how easy you get spotted on an anonymous forum
>>64314973Hagseth cut the funding for the E-7, himself? Proof?
>>64314995Who the fuck are you talking about, schizo troon? Take you meds and go back to plebbit with the rest of your mentally ill dysgenic kind.
>>64315007>dysgenic troonLots of projection there
>>64314922>>64314958This E-7 cut was directly because of him. Thankfully this was the only major modern system cut with the rest being already carried out since years ago like the Marines ditching MBTs and the Air Force retiring A-10s. We're not gonna be fighting ragheads anymore and everything needs to gear for another pacific campaign.https://breakingdefense.com/2025/06/not-survivable-hegseth-says-dod-reviewing-e-7-wedgetail-program-amid-move-to-space/
>>64314999wasted>proof >>64315019
Why are reformertards mad when obsolete tech gets cut? Do they want soldiers to be using clubs and spears?
>>64315041Are reformertards mad about the a10? Or are you trying to refer to the op in the most womanly passive aggresive manner possible?
>>64315019No where does it say Hegseth personally canceled the E-7 program. What it does say, is the Pentagon, the USAF, and Space Force want to focus on space based MTI. Again, I ask you, where are you getting Hagseth personally cut funding for the E-7? Seems to me the USAF working with the Space Force are the ones that cut the funding, not Hagseth. He just parrots what they tell him.>NORTHCOM Commander Air Force Gen. Gregory Guillot at a May 13 hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee said that the Pentagon already has begun testing sensors for tracking airborne targets on board satellites — a statement confirmed two days later by Lt. Gen. Shawn Bratton, Space Force deputy for strategy, plans, programs and requirements.>>64315013Truth hurts troon. Now, back to plebbit.
>>64315068So, you admit it wasn't Hagseth. Got it. I don't give two shits about Jan 6th. Any retard with a room temp IQ knew it was a set up and full of feds. Only a retard thinks this is a revelation. Now, back to leftypol or plebbit, troon.
>>64315075You are so fucking retarded lmao
>>64315098He's been one word away from a meltie all day today. Dunno what he's so pissy about.
>>64314999if you ever get a job and you're somebody's boss and they do something to get in shit you have a few possibilities. you either approved it and you're responsible, you didn't know anything about your underlings and you're incompetent and responsible or the guy went around your back and hid shit. i don't think you can argue that publicly available military contracts are hidden so that leaves the other 2
>>64313378>Rumsfeld>Practically all the DoD headsKegsbreath is just the most recent and most insufferable about it but we've had plenty of unfortunate cancellations under the belief that we'd never see near peer warfare and instead do all policing actions all time with The End of History.
>>64315098what the fuck man, go back to /pol/
>>64313412>Dry DrunksWhat's that?
>>64315187>Buzzwords buzzwords buzzwordsDespite you being red in the face for bravely sucking off the closeted homosexual that is Hegseth, as is customary for your kind, you'll always be a pathetic thirdie nigger
>>64314769wow it's almost like it will be escorted by other aircraft who can intercept missiles or something.
>>64315274nta but first of all, these stupid DNA services don't actually locate "white" genes or "nigger" genes.they just trace the origin of a gene to wherever a previous test subject with that gene said he was from, doesn't matter if his family emigrated there one, two, or three generations ago. these things are a scam.secondly: many of them are run by leftist faggots that have admitted to intentionally mixing in fake percentages in the results to throw of "racists".basically you got scammed, dumbass.
>>64313100A reminder that for the price of each E-7 procured you could get multiple sats which are significantly harder to shoot down.
>>64315307Reformers don't care, they just want their toy airplanes. It was the same story with the A-10, F-16, and Gavin.
>>64314769>AWACS are massively important and so they might get destroyed in a war and so to prevent that we need to destroy them a decade before the war even beginsWhat the fuck am I reading?
>>64315307Harder to shoot down? China has anti- satellite missiles with thousands of miles of range. A satellite close enough to do low latency AEC&W only provides coverage over an area for 15 minutes tops, you'd need an entire constellation for that.
>>64315315This is the opposite of reformemism going into whatever strategical ideology Elon believes in. Relying on satellites would put us in exactly the same position as Chinese with their diapersonics kill chain, which we know we can jam and don't provide high bandwidth targeting data.
>>64315301What a shitload of shitskin cope My Whiteskin, blond hair, and blue eyes twll me I'm White. My DNA test tells me where those genes come from. Show me a test of a nigger saying he has NW European genes, my shit colored mutant fren. Here's my raw DNA compared to ancient DNA.
>>64315346And more.
>>64315323Retardation from a fucking fool
>>64315187Holy meltie lmao
>>64315343"We need old tech because cheap and reliable, new tech bad because expensive and unreliable" is the exact reformer argument.
>>64315334>A satellite close enough to do low latency AEC&W only provides coverage over an area for 15 minutes topsProof?>>64315343>don't provide high bandwidth targeting data.Proof? And no, comparing chink shit to ours isn't going to cut it.
>>64315334What does China have more of, missiles that can shoot down an E-7 or missiles capable of hitting something in orbit.
>>64315343Reformers opposed adopting new technology.
>>64315323>moving your AWACS from 30k feet to orbit is destroying them
>>64315346>>64315349fell for it award, you don't actually know your racial composition, you paid actual money for a jewish scam test lel.
>>64315366They have enough of both to make it worth paying attention to.>>64315359>>64315360>>64315381 (NTA)Literally search up how 'how long is a satellite in LEO visible for'.PWSA satellites are really more designed for BMD detection and networking. You lose all practical radar capabilities, as you simply cannot get the same resolution going from 30k feet to 600 miles up. The signal is degraded by 11,151x. Inverse square law.Ideally we use both the AWACS and satellites for a redundant network but you guys think it's the end all be all for some reason. Did you guys forget the Hegseth said he wanted to use the Navy's E-2D AWACS instead, not just satellites alone?
>>64315412>More cope and seeth for being a mudblood shitskinlol lmao even>>64315427Why couldn't they use sats in higer orbits, and then use relay sats in LEO to reduce latency. You know, exactly how the NRO does with their KH-11 KENNEN, and LACROSSE/ONYX SAR sats...
>>64315448>>64315427Oh, and how do LACROSSE/ONYX sats have a ground resolution of less than 1m at alts of 700km? Sounds like you don't actually know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>64315427>Did you guys forget the Hegseth said he wanted to use the Navy's E-2D AWACS insteadAs a holdover to fill in until enough sats are flying, funny how you omitted that.
>>64313100>Anyway, Australia thread? Do we have a date for when the Ghost Bat’s A2A tests will be? I know that it’s supposed to be the end of the year but they haven’t said a date.>Boeing Australia and Australia branch defense contractors in general make things come to fruition without a load of bureaucratic bs somehow as of late. I think that's really impressive.It’s a bit suspicious how well things are going at the moment, I’m waiting for the inevitable fuck up
>>64315496They likely wont announce a date until it's about to happen, or already happened.
>>64315448>>64315459>ground resolution Well that's pretty self explanatory. You can't detect planes with those radars, much less LO ones. Of course PWSA will have better performance but it won't be able to detect anything with a smidge of RAM.>>64315481I didn't include that because it's a bad idea that thankfully didn't get passed and now you guys are here defending it. Can't you be nonpartisan and say both is good?
>>64314608the most accurate thing I've ever read on this stupid board. >>64314382the enemy knows exactly where they are 100% of the time and satellites are waaaaaay easier to kill than plane based AEW.
>>64315508>Can't you be nonpartisan and say both is good?Thanks for letting us know you are basing your position on the leadership involved and not the merits.
>>64315525>satellites are waaaaaay easier to kill than plane based AEWLook at this retard and laugh.
>>64315539>
>>64315539Can you escort a satellite?
>>64315530What the fuck, my entire argument has been based on the merits of an AWACS and satellite combo.
>>64315508>Well that's pretty self explanatory. You can't detect planes with those radars, much less LO ones.Of course you can, especially when you're looking down on top of the LO platform where it's got an RCS of 1m+. LO isn't designed to be stealthy from above.https://news.usni.org/2021/11/02/commercial-radar-satellites-reveal-russian-stealth-fighters
>>64315539>geosync is too far away to be any use>low earth orbit passes directly over the enemy's head. Orbits that dont do this are useless for the purpose. They don't even have to leave china to knock out 100% of your early warning fleet.
>>64315566Stationary jets... On the ground.
>>64315548Now post all the missiles that you can shoot down an E-7 with.
>>64315576No different than one moving through the air that's now 40k ft closer to your SAR sat than a ground based one.
>>64315566While you aren't wrong>Russian stealth fighteris not the best citation.
>>64315550Escorts can shoot down A2A missiles and SAMs? Must've missed that huge capability update...
Persistant overhead sensors are 'cheating' in the minds of the boomer fudd.
>>64315594No plane is designed to be stealth from above. Not the F-117, F-22, F-35, B-2, B-21, or any other for that matter. They're all optimized for frontal, or side RCS reduction.
>>64315599Anon I...
>>64315588what...40k feet closer to a satellite 600 miles up is a 1.6% difference. A moving anything, even a schoolbus introduces range migration, doppler aliasing and just general blurring. I don't want to call you out on this but you have no idea how this works.>>64315613What does 'all aspect' mean? All aspect except for the top? Is that why stealth planes RCS balloons by orders of magnitude when they defend and recommit?
>>64315539what is easier to kill, a satellite that passes on a fixed path directly above the enemy every hour, or a plane that can go anywhere, escorted by fighters?
>>64315613Notice how there were no <Russian stealth fighters> in your list.
>>64315635The plane that has to go in range of your plentiful aircraft and SAM to be used.
>>64315599>>64315643Do you not know about how escorts use standoff distances?
>>64315655Do you not know both Russia and China have missiles, in quantity, that outrange AWACS?
>>64315630>40k feet closer to a satellite 600 miles up is a 1.6% difference.Where the fuck are you getting 600 miles from? LACROSSE is max 700km at apogee, or 345 miles, and 350km at perigee, or 217 miles.>A moving anything, even a schoolbus introduces range migration, doppler aliasing and just general blurring.Do have any fucking idea how SAR MTI works? It seems you honestly don't. >I don't want to call you out on this but you have no idea how this works.Says the retard that doesn't even know the very basics of how MTIs function.>What does 'all aspect' mean?Front, side, and rear RCS reduction optimization.>All aspect except for the top?Yes, you idiot.>Is that why stealth planes RCS balloons by orders of magnitude when they defend and recommit?What?
>>64315635The plane blasting MW radar energy at you that you can detect at twice the range it is able to due to the inverse square law... Oh, and it’s the size of a fucking 757, with a gigantic flat panel array perpendicular to the transmitting radar and its receiver, so, it's going to have the RCS of a battleship, and the flat panel array is going to be reflecting right back to that receiver.
>>64315636My point was none, not even ours, are designed for top RCS reduction.
>>64315655>>64315663This^
>>64315680Right, even at 200 miles it's 3.5% closer. Is that significant?SAR MTI that you speak of again that can reliability track a moving target all originates from drone based platforms, not space based.Why don't you know about fighter terminology if you listed a bunch of planes?
>>64315722>Right, even at 200 miles it's 3.5% closer. Is that significant?Yes, when factoring inverse square law... I thought you were an expert?>SAR MTI that you speak of again that can reliability track a moving target all originates from drone based platforms, not space based.No, it comes from the SR-71, U-2, Tacit Blue, JSTARS, etc. >Why don't you know about fighter terminology if you listed a bunch of planes?I know what they mean, my question is what the fuck are you trying to say? Of course stealth platforms RCS changes and grows during fight maneuvering. Do you think it doesn't?
>>64314608LOLAlso as much as people here shit on McNamara, he actually made it to lieutenant colonel on his own merit, unlike Hegseth.>>64315459Ground mapping synthetic aperture radar is same fucking thing as real time targeting of shit moving at supersonic speed? Tell me more about this, I'm genuinely interested.>>64315566Sure, when those are sitting on tarmac. Now guess where that low observable fighter is going to be in two or three hours later.
>>64314526>https://desuarchive.org/k/search/text/Sensorcraft%20/thx, IMO Stealth is fake.Why can't they have a TV News Bunny go up in airport tower and watch screen while a passing B-2 goes into Stealth mode like a Romulan bird of prey and all the tax payers can ooh and aah?Fuck, throw in a celebrity pilot like John Travolta in his personal 707 to confirm it dropped off radar but he can still see it.Stealth is classic case of doing what you can do, VS doing what is needed for success. Its like hiding in a cardboard box from the cops on the sidewalk, but the cops are walking toward you with a police bloodhound that has your scent.
>>64315765Learn what MTI is, and how it's calculated. No fighter is going to be flying at supersonic speeds for more than 20-30 seconds as it eats all their fucking fuel, you goddamn retard. Where the fuck do you know nothing retards come from? Oh, and good thing you aren't relying on only 6 sats, huh?
>>64315765>I'm genuinely interested.No you aren't.MTI works the same on planes as on cars. The relative velocity of a plane or satellite is hypersonic++ compared to the target. Radio waves don't care.
>>64315762Right, so you get a 7% increase in resolution. Is that significant?Drones, in addition to those ISR platforms. I like how those are all within the atmosphere and you didn't mention a single satellite. My statement was if the RCS of an aircraft was not optimized for the top, the RCS would balloon by orders of magnitude, not change slightly.>>64315783Have you ever considered if there are multiple people replying to your same argument that you might just be wrong?
>>64315804>Drones, in addition to those ISR platforms.Yes.>I like how those are all within the atmosphere and you didn't mention a single satellite.Almost like technological advancement gas made it viable...almost like GaN based radar, laser based communication, GPU and CPU based progressing, etc is making it easier to do from space, now. Nope, a retard on /k/ that didn't even graduate HS knows better.>My statement was if the RCS of an aircraft was not optimized for the top, the RCS would balloon by orders of magnitude, not change slightly.If doesn't change slightly, it does balloon, look at any RCS simulation, and you will see this. You act like you've been in a maneuvering fight with a stealth fighter and monitored its RCS, or something.>Have you ever considered if there are multiple people replying to your same argument that you might just be wrong?Hence, me saying retards, you know PLURAL, as in more than one...
>>64315151Symptoms of alcoholism can be permanent. I still have watery eyes but everything else faded.
>>64315777Well it's pretty basic that you don't show that you air-inducted fan impelled nigger.
>>64314004Is it still fragging if the officer is a civillian?I just can't help but wonder what will happen if a real war breaks out
>>64315918Jay Leno pegged it."Stealth can make a great big jet look like a pigeon on radar. A pigeon flying at 400mph over the North Pole at 4am heading to Moscow."
>>64315360Its OK anon, hegseth and Trump probably don't know how satellites work either
>>64314450now I'm thinking they should put a Stealth clam-shell under the aero-cone that would close over the nose mounted array when in stealth mode.
>>64315496What your are seeing in Australia right now is the difference between trying amd not tryingAs a general rule we don't try to do stuff, we just let it happen but sometimes circumstances force our hand
>>64315951Setting aside how "stealth makes a plane look like a bird" is extremely inaccurate.
>>64314733didn't he also propose trying to get rid of carriers and replace them all with submarines and naval drones? granted this was way back when the administration's foreign policy was going to focus on isolationism, but still.
I hope everyone itt inhales a lethal amount of carbon monoxide.
>>64313100>Accept this shit im sling with no evidence whatsoever.
>>64315582THIS RAGING FUCKING NIGGER FAGGOT!So Air Wing Commander Anon... you see the E-7 on the horizon, what do you do? Brave Air Wing Commander Anon looks neither right nor left, why should he? His fanatical will will carry him to victory but what's this?Combat Air Patrol (CAP) Typical on-station number for continuous protection: 2–4 fighters actively on station, with spares cycling in — meaning you’ll often plan 6–8 fighters allocated to maintain a rotating CAP. F-22, F-35, F-15EX, Typhoon, Su-35, etc.Escort / stealth sensor fighters (F-35 or equivalent) stand back, hunt for threats, suppress enemy sensors, provide low-observable ISR and datalinked targeting info. 1–2 stealth assets are commonly attached .Electronic Warfare (EW) aircraft (e.g., EA-18G Growler, future EW variants) jam, spoof, blind enemy radars and missile seekers, and support SEAD/DEAD operations. 1–3 EW planes.Purpose: actively attack enemy radars/SAM sites (using anti-radiation missiles, standoff weapons, strikes). These missions are continuous if the threat is significant. Could be organic to the strike package or run from other wings. A handful of SEAD sorties may be scheduled whenever AWACS operates in a high-threat zone.POSSIBLE:Ground/Ship SAM umbrella (area air defence)This is a stationary/area layer you can’t ignore. Multiple batteries / ship Aegis cells depending on theater, and Point defenses on ships.Radar warning receivers, chaff/flares, ECM suites, and in some cases towed decoys. These mitigate missile seekers and can break lock or confuse guidance.Integrated air picture / networked sensorsSatellite ISR, land radars, other AWACS/TPS (airborne early warning overlap), and fighter datalinks all combine to give early notice. The attacker needs targeting data to cue a long-range missile or bomber run; depriving them of that data is a major defense.Other than that popping E-7 is easy.
>>64315951No he's a retard. What is discrimination? That's not how detection works. There is no Jonesy with headphones on hunched over a screen, it's a computer.
>>64314839There is shit the NRO has the is guaranteed lightyears ahead of other branches of the military. It's a good example of why classifying everything separately across different glownigger agencies and branches of the military is sort of retarded is know one knows what the fuck everyone else is working on. Navy is supposed to water, but they do all kinds of space shit (which is interesting for other reasons). It's probably partly the reason for moving Space Force to Redstone Arsenal, trying to unify some of these programs across at least one branch of the military.
>>64316158Just imagine the constellation you could have with the tens of billions of dollars and thousands of servicement used to escort one E-7.
I am reminded of a post by our friend that everyone here hates.https://web.archive.org/web/20121128024824/http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread901004/pg1It's definitely not far fetchedhttps://arizona.aws.openrepository.com/handle/10150/194734The Acknowledgements page is great.>And finally, I’d like to thank Raytheon Missile Systems and FLIR Systems for their support of my ongoing education.Ironically they are literally rolling this out for cellphones now. You have to wonder how far ahead folks like the NRO are with this technology, and what they can stick it in.
>>64313660Low earth orbit swarms are already being built and they more survivable and useful than giant single point of failure awacs
>>64316414Don't bother. Reformers just want dogfighting and their retarded "knight of the sky" fantasy.
>>64315951How is a radar detecting a bird sized return when it gets filtered out because it's below the inherent signal to noise ratio of the radar and background noise? Furthermore, if it could somehow detect a bird sized target, it's not doing it from more than 20 miles away. By that time, the radar is destroyed by the stealth platform. Leno is a retard, and so are you for using him as a source and agreeing with him.
>>64316472Birds aren't real
>>64313100Thanks God. Finally some good fucking news.E-7 delivers the best-in-class performance right now, and has a proven rollout and record compared to the complexity of space-based techniques.
>>64314004I think what irritates me the most about him is that his military experience tapped out at company commander and now that he's SECDEF he's trying to run everything like it's a company. The big strategic stuff that exists in the background and as the bedrock of company level stuff means less to him than PT and lethality and other stuff that a high speed PL might care about to get an MQ from his senior rater but which can never be the only concerns for anyone above O-6 or so.
>>64315965>but sometimes circumstances force our handThank God, may we have hundreds of those Ghost Sharks >>64316096What did I do? All I wanted to know was when the GB’s were firing Sidewinders
>>64316204All that shit also does other things other than protecting the AWACS you mongoloid nigger
>>64317812I think the ghost bat is the best looking out the bunch. Only one without a dorsal inlet.
>>64316472>below the inherent signal to noise ratio of the radar and background noise?I'm sure after Stealth was announced, Ivan began sliding his radar filters up and down.It detects what appears to be bird sized from normal radar range, which tells Ivan "this is no bird".
>>64319033One would hope; they literally wrote the book on stealth. Too bad they were too retarded to understand the ramifications and keep it to themselves.
>>64319264Well they still can't into RAM and it's been 70 years
>>64316414Yes, but an AWACS has the most stupid advantage of all. It is closer to the area of interest than a 400 km 60 second overflight box with the power of a cell phone in its antennas trying to go through clouds and discerning what is the ground and what is a mach 2 piece of metal.And even when solved, an AWACS still has more defense in EW than a satellite by the simple virtue of being closer.LEO AWACS need to improve a lot before they become even a supplementary AMTI option for controlling the air.
>>64319320RAM must be some serious fucking magic shit.
>>64316414Can drone swarms provide battle management and traffic control you stupid fuck?
>>64319357>>64321395AWACS is closer but low observability aircraft are multiple orders of magnitude less stealthy from directly above than from sideways and below but yeah I would still buy the wedgetails this tiem around while working on orbital awacs at the same time, if you plan on fighting a war in the pacific>>64321395yes? because they have high-speed internet through starshield
>>64321402Fuck off elon, we'll still buy starshield, but we're not replacing AWACS platforms with another fucking LEO constellation.
>>64321414>but we're not replacing AWACS platforms with another fucking LEO constellation.yes you will, just maybe not in the next 5 years
>>64321402>yes? because they have high-speed internet through starshieldRight, so they aren't then? Because drones don't have operators on board to direct aircraft.
>>64321418you're dumb lolbecause people managing the battle can be in a building in arizona because starlink is extremely resistant to jamming
>>64321415doubt it'll even be in the next 20.The distances involved just don't favor satellites for providing high-quality radar tracks for feeding that track into your munition. An AWACS 150-300km away is going to be far superior.
>>64321423Nah you are.Nobody else is working this AWAC free future but you and Eggtard.
>>64321430we're getting rid of single point of failure tankers too
>>64321435Lollmao even
>>64321435That's something that should've been done a while ago but an AWACS size directly scales with it's capabilities.
>>64321435We're? Ok you're just playing retarded for (You)s
>>64321441why does this make you angry? distributed emitters and receivers are obviously the future
>>64321445You tell me
>>64321445The future... In a couple of decades. It's not powerful enough at scale with the current tech.
>>64321449a couple of decades in military procurement, especially in deploying a constellation of satellites means you start right now
>>64321457>Let's start building something that cannot be upgraded before the tech is ready!
>>64321461they started developing the E-7 wedgetail, the subject of this thread, in 1996.
>>64321457It means you start research now, not procurement.
>>64321427>>64321415>>64321414>>64321402not any of these anons, but couldn't a very large constellation with lines of satellites passing over the combat zone every few seconds spread out in a grid be viable? They can chuck hundreds of those things out of a Starship once its up and running. each micro sat would only be on station for maybe a few seconds, but if you have thousands of them constantly passing over and acting as a distributed array...
>>64321474What happens a single fragmentation warhead from a missile detonates one satellite, sending debris that cascades into a chain reaction into the thousands of other satellites, rendering the entire orbit useless?
>>64321482low earth orbit is the safest altitude from orbital debris and you can't really do kessler syndrome there compared to like GEO
>>64321487You CAN, it's just much shorter term, weeks/months, at most a handful of years.
>>64321487It's safe right now. That's because there's no one blowing up satellites and any debris has reentered. So what happens when they do get blown up and the orbit is useless for months at a time?
>>64321499with rapid reuse heavy-lift your leo swarm can be attritable much more comfortably than a bunch of manned 757s areand there are even options for air-breathing satellites at even lower orbits like 120km up. Goodluck making that orbit useless
>>64321507You're still not going to replace those assets in a timeframe that makes it relevant to ACTIVE combat operations.
>>64321523you can have a warehouse full of them and launch them hundreds at a time, thats even more responsive than if your 757 gets blown up
>>64321527Anon, it takes days/weeks to get them spread out enough and into a proper orbitYou're talking out of your ass about shit you clearly don't understand and it shows.
>>64321531>days/weeksLonger than that, currently it takes months for spaceX to do the orbital adjustments for a group of starlinks. 2-4 weeks is on the low end and 3-4 months isn't unusual.
>>64321507>>64321527>PWSA unit cost is $15m each>attritable Why are you talking as if there's going to be a single one singular AWAC in the air? The Navy has 80 and the AF wants at least two dozen.
>>64321527>hmm yes let me launch a ballistic vehicle over a conflict zone that starts dumping objects, because there's no possible way that could be interpreted as anything else
>>64321553I hate this meme so much, the whole point of a nuclear triad is so you dont have to sperg out and launch on warning
>>64321558I'm not commenting on the response. I am making a general point on how there's room for misinterpretation. Particularly when the Fog of War(tm) is at it's peak.
>>64316204Yes, it'd be absolute garbage and nowhere near as good as the E-7. Even if we disregarded that those assets would be needed anyway.
>>64321570tf is unc sam gon do, roundeye? launch nvkes to catch nvkes? grow up. it's not 1960 any more.
>>64321599What the fuck does this have to do with the conversation
>>64318584>uooohhhh!!!! Ghost Bat Erotic!!!
>>64321726Need more buddies in this thread!!!
>>64313756If it can be made to work reliably, you get 24/7 coverage of the entire globe. The Fog of War doesn't *entirely* go away, but the sheer level of detection, tracking, ID/IFF, and targeting is insane.IF it can be made to work reliably. That's the big question that nobody on a Polish plumbing forum can answer. My personal preference would be to go ahead and start buying a few E-7s just to be on the safe side; better to have them and keep your AWACS crews trained and operational than to have to try to reconstitute the force later on.
>>64325649The fact that nobody in the MIC is offering it as a solution to the DoD is an answer within itself.
>>64315121What was it, ~250 undercover feds?
>>64325674Like 5 MIC companies are you brainlet. The NRO and Space Force have prototypes flying as we speak, and plan to have a working constellation of both Air Moving Target Indicators, and Ground Moving Target Indicators by 2030.
>>64325762As complete AWAC replacement, or supplemental? Because if it's supplemental, you've failed to comprehend was has been said.
>>64325786>As complete AWAC replacementWhen it's working as intended in the 2030s, yes. The only reason to keep the AWACs is for it's comms abilities, that will most likely be replaced with sats too.>or supplemental?Until it's working in the early 2030s, yes.
>>64314671>coastal elitehegseth and newsom are the same person. Don't believe me? look at the face, look at the hair.
>>64314671>He's a coastal elite40% of the population leaves on the coast nigga
>>64321523>You're still not going to replace those assets in a timeframe that makes it relevant to ACTIVE combat operationsYou aren't replacing an E-7 at all during a war meanwhile sats can be replaced within 24 hours.
>>64314559He's such a dumb piece of shit.
>>64329637Wow anon, why did you skip over this right under it? >>64321544
>>64329686Because it isn't accurate.
>>64329666You gotta love the impotent seethe driven by nothing but the need to oppose the Orange Man.
>>64315151>>Dry Drunks>What's that?People with the typical mental derangement stemming from chronic alcohol abuse but who arent drunk. Long term alcohol use will cause a permanent oversensitivity to glutamic acid, meaning the person in question becomes mean and easily irritated. Hence the term dry drunk. Best treated with lithium ortotate.
>>64315448>moving your radar from 30k feet to 300km would seriously degrade their resolution>durr well why don't we put em even highernever talk about anything that leaves the ground again you drooling fucking retard
>>64331402I hate the idea of being drunk being associated with alcoholism because occasional drunkenness is cool and fun yet zoomers would rather vape and huff paint.
>>64329748It is 100% accurate
>>64335314Wow so 2 weeks really is the absolute best case scenario
>>64337194Pretty much, and that would probably only be that quick if you had fully clear orbital planes to work with, if you need to deal with a ton of debris or other stats, it'll take longer, they also use hall-effect thrusters for orbtial maneuvers which are incredibly efficient but super lower thrust, so any drastic orbital movement requires a very long burn time.
>>64333830>E-7 are only 30k feet from the adversary
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>>64329761They've been raiding for the past two days.
>>64338976Think about the comparison anon made about a sat flying by at 300km vs an E-7 that is only 30km high but 500km away.
