It's wild that despite all the commercial advancements of the AR, the average infantryman still has a plain M4A1 with a FSB, albeit probably with a red dot.
>>64315947Still works really well. Why should anything change?
>>64315947Those advancements are unnecessary bloat, a plain M4A1 is all they need. Hell, even the M4A1 is too much: they could make do with an M16A1 with a gooseneck or a carry handle-mounted red dot.
>>64315947picrel isn't THAT much better than an old M4A1. definitely not worth the cost of upgrading them all.
not surprising, they work and are built to a cost. i think CZ owned colt recently even got a contract for them.militaries like to be cost effective believe it or not, there's a budget, so not everyone is kitted out with a new rifle/tech. also understand that your average guy isn't a gun guy. they know how to shoot said rifle and clean said rifle but they're not gunfighters. there's simply no need for something new.
Why not? An M4 is all you need and is already more than 95% of what the bad guy has. Besides, Ukraine is quickly proving small arms matter less and less. Small arms don't mean shit, we peaked a long time ago where battles were won because of your small arms.
>>64315947I wont say the M4s should never be upgraded, but there are severely diminishing returns on a lot of the upgrades and there's no real pressures to do for the foreseeable future. A free float handguard is a positive, but I would argue with bulk GI ammo and military standards of marksmanship (as I recall, the army expert marksman badge only demands approximately 4 MOA at 300 yards from the shooter), its not going to produce much actual value for the change. The guys that would benefit from free float handguards mostly already have them. LPVOs are kind of a meme, not that they don't work well but a 4x Acog is as good as it ever was and more idiot proof. Better triggers fall under the same category as the free floated barrel, probably wasted on most infantry. Furniture changes aren't relevant, I don't really like the A2 grip but a lot of people are fine with it and I can deal with it. An adjustable stock is the same as any other desu. If mass-issued suppressors take off (for M4s, not the M7), then you might see a an upgrade kit that includes an adjustable gas block and less gassy charging handle and perhaps a slimmer handguard, but if they pick the right flow through it wont be that gassy anyway and to some extent for a mass issued infantry rifle the army wont give a shit about it being overgassed, so there would be no particular reason to change the rifles.
>>64316064this, it's no longer about rolling through a city gwot style, or really anything we've been doing over the last 20-30 yearsit's about denying the enemy with dispensable drones. our drone tech is so out of date and we're gonna learn a hard lesson with our next conflict, which is gonna be sooner than later in order to prolong the empire. M4s are fantastic and all advancements need to go towards drone tech asap.
>>64316118>M4s are fantastic and all advancements need to go towards drone tech asap.We're not limited to one or the other. That's for poorfag countries that don't spend more than the rest of the world combined on their military.>>64315947Really just needs a freefloat rail and the M4a1 is solved. Hilarious that crayon eaters get HKs though
>>64316132This, I don’t see why you can’t make nice quality changes to the M4a1 while also investing in drones
>>64316118>our drone tech is out of date lol lmao
>the average infantryman still has a plain M4A1Good enough. Is there better shit? Of course? Is it THAT much better? Nah. Also,>small arms development plateau>diminishing returns>etc
>>64316141Especially when we've decided to issue LPVOs and night vision extensively. Not having a freefloat rail is just pointlessly making things suck.
>>64316150You heard it here first, the country that was drone striking people to hell decades ago is severely behind on drone tech. No, don’t tell him drones are being integrated at the squad level
>>64316155freefloat doesn't make THAT much difference on a fighting rifle. and you can learn around it.
>>64316155Plus it’s such a relatively cheap and easy upgrade that it would be silly not to
>>64316168It makes a pretty big goddamn difference when you have a tiny KAC rail and nowhere to put the fuckin PEQ you get issued.
>>64316182Why not on the 12 o'clock rail? Are you one of those people that cant function without c clamping?
>>64316168Maybe, but it’s also not very expensive or difficult and does nothing but improve the rifle
>>64316186oh yeah, that'll be great, you definitely can't mount a pressure pad anywhere useful and also your fuckhuge LPVO the army decided you need is now going to be practically butted up next to the thing, that's nice.
>>64315947Its perfection
>>64316193Whos getting LPVOs but not the M7s they go on? Is that even a thing?
>>64316156Vro, my unit had squad level drones in 2018. Just because we don't resort to using those toys doesn't mean that we can't.
>>64316199>Whos getting LPVOs but not the M7s they go onEveryone? Did you miss the Army purchased Sig Tango 6ts before ever deciding on a new rifle?The marines have been issuing them even longer. Like, what rock did you crawl out from under? It's not even the optic they adopted to go with the M7.
>>64315947because they're not real advancements. Your pic is the same (if not worse) than M4 with quad rail.
>>64316208You are wrong.
>>64316118being a third-worlder must suck daamn lol
>>64316213I mean you can buy it, that's cool dude.
>>64316226I bought both, yeah it is cool.
M4a1 with a quad rail and acog is significantly more durable than a Gucci bendy bill clad rifle with an LVPO. Durability is a major concern for a regular infantry rifle.
free float rails seem to universally hurt my hands aside from the ones that are more tube shaped. i'm genuinely unsure why people like them. comfort is a huge huge factor
>>64316245Your hands are soft and week. A rifle does not suit them.
>>64316245>>64316239Seriously, FF is a stupid gimmick>>64316247I just like having a rifle that I know will survive an impact. I don't have the same confidence in a bendy bill
>>64316249I have this crazy idea, what if we get a quadrail that is not bendy bill, hell it doesn't even need to be mlok
Gunko pop thread?
>>64316253The main reason is... I am too poor for an RIS II at this time. I still think the RAS is gud enuf
>>64316263yes, welcome to /k/. You might have been lost looking for a ukraine thread, check in hell
>>64316263yeah
>>64316264understandable desu, nothing wrong with that.
>>64316270I do want an RAS, but I decided if I get one, I will get a SOCOM barrel, and I'll have to P&W a new flash hider compatible with my can. I will eventually though.
SOPMOD block II was peak M4. everything after was a mistake.
>>64316280Enlightened
M4s are probably down to $600 per rifle, government cost. Every change you make adds cost in some capacity. I hope we still have some sort of fiscal responsibility at some level.
>>64316280TRVTH
>>64316286they were down to 450 in the 2010s but i dont know if that included accessories
>>64316264My advice is look at the brownells Daniel defense uppers. Brownells always has deals and coupons around
>>64316286>Every change you make adds cost in some capacity.Considering they're buying expensive niche difficult to machine KAC rails, I don't think buying expensive, niche, difficult to machine DD rails would change literally anything.
>>64316307This, except DD might be better as you can actually buy the fucking things
>>64316236yeah you can do that for sure
>>64315947A basic quality AR with a flashlight has been the best option for the last 40 years, assuming under 200 yds engagement range.
M4A1 is the best service rifle running at the moment. Does everything an entire military needs, the only upgrades that would be worth it is suppressors that work with an A2 brake
>>64315947>that despite all the commercial advancements of the ARnigga what fucking advancements, they arr rook same
>>64316182That has nothing to do with freefloating.
>>64316089>>as I recall, the army expert marksman badge only demands approximately 4 MOA at 300 yards You should shut the fuck up as obviously you are fucking retarded. Fuck this post made my head hurt.
>>64315947"It's good enough for government work">>64315955
>>64316245What the fuck is wrong with you? FF rails, while not necessary, absolutely should not hurt your hands uniquely more than non FF rails. You belong inside, in a safe room, doing coloring books. Not shooting rifles you weenie>>64316249>>64316253bendy bills do not bend more than any other FF rail. I've got one that I bought from a friend and I know for a fact he has dropped his rifle multiple times because he is a clutz, and the rail is fine. If G$ rails bend, then all Mlok rails bend, if G$ rails aren't secure, then all FF rails aren't secure. Simple as
>>64318413Since you malded, I checked and the 300 meter reduced sight target (ie, one that's shot at 25 meters but simulates a man-sized target at 300) has a 3.5" white ring in the centre, which would translate to about a 4 moa dispersion at 300. So therefore the most challenging target in the qualification only demands 4 moa from the rifle for somebody to hit all 40 targets and score expert. Clearly you had some ego tied up in this, so I'm sorry you had to find out this way, but I hope you have a nice day regardless.
>>64318600You continue to be clueless in how actual qualifications work. >>pick related Is a fucking zeroing target. I have zero interest in actually educating you. You are displaying a case of the dunning syndrome. So obviously you are so stupid on this topic that you will never realize it. You do not possess the tools to be using half the words and ideas you are tossing around.
>>64317901Yes it does.
>>64315947Too long, kys fudd
>>64315947He doesn't really need anything else, maybe a M16A4 with select fire to go along with it. If they want to get fancy, a AR-10 maybe.
>>64316186A 7in rail is way too short for 14.5in barrel. MK18 rails are 9in for comparison. For 90% of shooters a ~10in rail would way more comfortable plus the small added accuracy bonus.
