What’s the new meta?
>>64318439Mudman with axe
PSA 11.5"
>>64318439PSA blem with a romeo 5
>14.5 for large, open environmentsEnjoy getting overmatched
>>64318512Gaza will be a parking lot
>>64318445dual wielding them
>>64318512I've already made a down payment on some beachfront property there
>>64318546imagine the smell
>>64318439>>64318439there is no reason to choose 14.5 over 16 in a mountainous environment.
>>64318583this. just get a piston ar so you can put a folding stock on it if you're terribly concerned about the length.
>>64318719>get a piston ar so you can put a folding stock on itYou still need a recoil buffer and spring.
>>64318726nah
11.5" carbine if you want a short AR16" midlength if you want a medium AR20" rifle if you want a long AREverything else is a meme (except 14.5 but that's only for autistic cloners doe)
>>64318719Or get a bullpup which is the actual solution if you want a rifle caliber in a compact package. Retard
>>64318733no real warfighter ever looked at a bullpup(more like bullcrap) and said "yeah thats just what i need!" theres a reason every nation's special forces use the ar platform
>>6431843914.5 with acog and top dot covers everything. >>64318457>"i've never heard of 77gr"lol
>>64318740The reason is that the US has used the m16 and m4 for 50 years. You may be surprised to know that plenty of "real warfighters" don't retardedly insist that one tool is the best choice for every job.
FRTs and a well-gassed upper
>>6431874977 grain was so good the Army was spooked into adopting an entirely new rifle and cartridge. It's so good that USSOCOM just adopted a 14.5 6.5 Creedmoor
>>64318753>don't retardedly insist that one tool is the best choice for every joband yet bullpup sissies constantly do, curious. >shit trigger>no room for proper optic + lam + white light without compromising support hand position they've always been a meme the aug just looks cool in video games so everyone pretends they're good
>>64318744explain to me right now how YOU personally are going to get your hands on explosives, and no, tannerite isn't a real answer.
>>64318753>one tool is the best choice for every jobi agree with this statement
>>64318769>spooked into adopting an entirely new rifle and cartridgeyeah. that's definitely why they switched>SIGnificantly decreased barrel life>SIGnificantly fewer rounds able to be carried>SIGnificantly heavier platform>SIGnificantly worse accuracy wowzers I sure love how the military has never made a mistake!
>>64318439>What’s the new meta?10-12" sbr/pistol with a can and a 4 power optic with a red dot stacked on it16" 7.62x51 with a mvpo (e.g. 3-12) ffp reticle with a stacked red dot, bipod and suppressor9mm pistol of some kind and configuration which fits your use caseif rich get nods and thermals, skip the lasers and illuminators though because they make you a christmas tree and are not worth it, stacked red dot for passive aiming, clip on thermal as well. this only applies if you are a supreme larperator who thinks the government or whatever political faction you oppose is going to come after you.
>>64318781LMT wonGeissele wonSIG wonBest 2 out of 3, not bad
>>64318775Why not? It's plenty enough for a lethal shrapnel munition, and detonation could be done with a sufficiently long barrel and firearm cartridge triggered remotely.
>>64318786>SIG wonsig bought their victory, they're shit now
>>64318775>how YOU personally are going to get your hands on explosivesMake TNT from trees and a wood gasification machine. EZ
>>64318439Unironically picrel>16" pencil barrel>Comfy magpul furniture so you aren't burning the fuck out of your hand like a free float>Will be considered retro in a few years
>>64318732Tbh yeah, those are the big three and having all three basically covers you for whatever you’d run into within any realistic combat range that isn’t sniper shit. Though, the 14.5” should replace the 16” IF you have a suppressor. I view them pretty similarly already and I don’t think you can go wrong with either
>>6431843912.5 mini recce Any platform any caliber
>>64318749>does not know you can use 77gr in barrels other than 10" Its even better out of 16"
>>64318836>12.5”Just get 11.5”, it’s simply better in all regards
>>64318799>It's plenty enough for a lethal shrapnel munitionsure, in a cheese puffs barrel-sized amount. its too heavy for how low yield it is.
>>64318783and if im really being meta>11.5 geissele super duty with a vltor a5 buffer, acog, rcr, surefire rc2 and 3prong flash hider, mini scout light pro>16" LMT MARS-H, schmidt bender 5-20x pm2, rcr, socom 762 rc2, atlas bipodthe schmidt bender is a little over the top, but hey it's bullshit lists on the internet
>>6431884820" is the highest on the graph therefore it's the best
>>64318841That’s true, but consider that 77gr OTMs out of a 10.3” rifle have about the same effective expansion/frag/whatever range as m193 out of a 20” rifle.So what that means is that with that ammo, you can put the 10.3”-11.5” whatever into the same role the M16 was (main assault rifle) and then press the 16” and especially 20” into more of an SPR/DMR role. Pretty cool huh
>>6431884877gr bonefrog shoots about 2450FPS out of my 11" barrel
>>64318868And since they usually get too slow to expand/fragment at around 1700-1800fps, you have a solid 200m I’d imagine
>>64318848Meme ragebait chartI've seen the larger breakdown of tests like these and there is never consistency between barrel manufacturers ammo etc etcAlso a complete violation of physics that 12.5 would magically dip in velocity and 11 and 13 would be equal Real tests show that 12.5 performs nearly equal to 14.5 and a hair below 16Iirc you lose about 200fps going from 16 to 12.5 but it's probably less
>>64318439>meta
>>6431886220” is the definitive best AR of the platform and will perform the best, no question. It’s also just long as fuck, heavier, and even longer with suppressor
>>64318775>Glowing intensifies
>>64318781
>>64318874Man it’s crazy how 12.5” performs as good as 14.5” and is as short as 11.5”
>>64318439m4 or an m16 because that's what the cool army guys use
>>64318775Fight Club taught me how to make it myself :D
>>64318873pretty much, 16" 308 is what i use for that anyway
>>64318901based cool army guy imitator
>>64318583NFA considerations aside, there is literally nothing wrong with a 16" barrel from a practical standpoint. If marines could clear buildings with full length 20" rifles with no adjustable stock, then you can do CQB like activities with a 16" and collapsible stock just fine, while also not turbo cucking your ballistic performance for anything beyond 200 meters by cutting your barrel length in half so you get to larp as an OPERATOR.
>>64318890It's just the most efficient barrel length for both powder burn aswell as barrel harmonicsAnd the most optimal barrel length when considering both those factors aswell as weight and maneuverability The Russians figured it out with the AK carbinesThe Chinese figured it out with the QBZ carbinesIt literally doesn't matter what round you put through it 12.5 is the most efficient barrel length
>>64318942Which is why it’s gassed like shit, unlike the 11.5” and even 10.3”
>>64318949>Which is why it’s gassed like shitSource?My 12.5 BCM with carbine gas ran great from the moment I got it to the moment I got rid of itIf I didn't have to get rid of it because of changing laws in my state that would have been my forever rifleMy 13.9 is just as smooth and reliable as the 12.5 was>But what if I want to take my suppressor on and off constantly and switch from subs to supers and etc etc for no reason every few minutes so I can look awesome at the range?!?!?Install a adjustable gas block I guess Or maybe tune your rifle for a dedicated form of shooting and stick with it? >unlike 10.3Whatever you say
>>64318967Or, get an 11.5” or a 14.5” and not have to worry about how it’ll shoot with and without a suppressor because it runs both well
Have you guys tried 7.8"? I was skeptical, but mine works just as well as 10.5" which works just as well as 11.5" which we all know is just as good as 14.5" which is well known to be just as good as 20".
>>64318749>>"i've never heard of 77gr">>lol>too dumb to realize 77gr does even better from longer barrelsAlso until you get around 500ish yards you shoot flatter with 55gr vs 75/77gr because of the higher velocity. You’d know this if you ever shot past 200, but you don’t. There are many good reasons to use 75/77gr but a better trajectory to “gain distance” at practical engagement ranges isn’t one of them.
>>64318732You forgot 4.75. best length.
>>64318442this. axeman always wins.
>>643189937.8" is a meme since 3.75" works just as well.
>>64318775> tannerite isn't a real answer.Why not? It’s relatively weak in the realm of explosives but it’s still a real explosive. Or is your problem with detonation?
>>64318936>If marines could clear buildings with full length 20" rifles with no adjustable stock, Zoomies like you are too young to remember doing this in Fallujah was enough to convince the entire Army and the Corps to drop the A2/A4 and made the A1 standard for infantry as soon as the battle was over. Funny how every military and unit with combat experience from the last 2 and a 1/2 decades have universally ditched 20" for <16" carbines, but a bunch of over or underweight contrarian range LARPers on reddit and /arg/ think different because of their "meta."Absolute hivemind mentality. lol, lmao.
>>64318817i like magpul handguards
>>64319028Unironically the posters problem is that's commercially available off the shelf, hell even a capped section of pipe filled with FFG would absolutely ruin somebody's day if dropped right next to them. High quality home brewed HE simply isn't necessary for that application. Anon is fishing for potentially incriminating evidence for his employer.
>MetaThe only one and true meta is buy a fucking gun and actually manage to shoot it regularly enough to be competrnt with itDollars spent on ammuntion are better than dollars spent on accessories.Not that accesories are bad mind you.I want an ACOG on my main AR...
16" with mid gaspencil barrel if you want a light carbinemid weight if you want an all rounderheavy profile if you want an SPRdone
>>64319035They actually went to 11" 416s lmao
>>64319050i have an elcan and I am thinking about switching to acog just because stupid durability, maybe i should buy another rifle
>>64319035Most of /arg/ has <16” rifles. I have a 20” because they’re cool but that’s about it. I don’t think anyone there or myself would tell you clearing rooms with a 20” is ideal. Reddit, maybe desu they’re fucking retarded
>>64318439A pistol that you'll actually carry unlike a LARPer shitrod
>>64319035funny how alot of people from that time said the m16 was fine. 16" is really the best 556 barrel length.
>>64318740Because everyone else is poorfags and choose to emulate the cheapest part of US doctrine and supply, the AR
>>64318770It's not 1960 anymore grandpa, plenty of bullpups have good triggers and plenty of room for accessories as long as you're not trying to attach a whole arms room of shit.
>>64318439>KAC anything>EverIt's wild how this company can be so mediocre in every product they make, yet still inspire so much brand loyalty due to the self-marketing image of being elite.>Make block I parts, virtually all replaced by diff. manufacturers in block II because your rails, sights, and the NT4 are garbage>Promote the SR-25 for years, it's known as the "straight pull bolt action" because of how unreliable it is in service>Land M110 contract, almost immediately replaced by H&K due to reliability and your retard huge and heavy baffle strike happy suppressor>Market the SR-15/16, it loses virtually every single time to LMT or H&K in contracts>Launch QDC suppressor, it's louder and flashier than a 15+ year old RC/RC2>Start making optic mounts/rings again, lose to Geissele and Nightforce because they crack/are weak>Customers do a meltdown of your upper, it fails within 400rds.>Every customer service story is being ignored or told no>No top competitors or credible trainers use the SR or recommend themLike, fucking how? How do you suck this bad? You would think that they'd have gotten lucky at least once by now, but nope. And yet they still manage to convince so many retards to pay nearly double the MSRP of every competing brand. Unbelievable.
>What’s the new meta?Full power battle rifles with >24" barrels, with either cans or long-ass Dragunov-style flash hiders, and fancy optics.And retarded SMG-length Draco-type builds for spitting distance fighting.The war in Ukraine has shown that the whole "door-kicker" counter-insurgency meme of GWOT was extremely homosexual and only happened due to faggots caring about not killing civilians during a really lame fake&gay war.The only two forms of rifles that are relevant are powerful long ranged full power rifles with fancy optics, and short full auto magdump trench sweepers (sights optional).The legalities and practical peacetime applications of full auto trench sweepers are questionable, so the average civilian is probably better off with the other type of rifle.
>>64319180it's all just marketing and memeing. lmt mars beats the sr25 at everything, especially user serviceability. geissele super duty does everything the SR15 does for a fraction of the price and comes with a better trigger out of the box. now watch as the usual suspects show up to talk about how fucking great KAC is with their fearless leader GuyWhoAdmitsToBeingPaidToRecommendStuffgrip making unsubstantiated claims that geissele breaks and LMT has qc problems.
>>64319200so put a can on an accuracy international and you're g2g?
>>64319200Bro how do you take the exact opposite lessons from Ukraine?
>>6431843916" mid-length with flow-through suppressor. Elcan and piggybacked Acro. MAWL and your choice of clip-on thermal with at least 640x480 resolution.
>>64318439>metawell would you look at that, ecelebs who have a contract with an advertising company are telling that some products they advertize is the "new meta".i bet this thread is also made by some marketing cunt trying to gauge the market to see what they can shill to us and make easy money.
>>64319256>16" mid-length with flow-through suppressor. Flow through is such a pointless trend.You're already using a softer gas system vs. carbine, you'd be better off with a conventional suppressor and get the benefit of greater decibel reduction + flash elimination for the weight hanging off your muzzle.
>>64318862Mathematically indisputable.
>>64319209Fag2grip is paid?
>>64318439New?Dude 10.5/11.5 AR has been the meta since forever.556 does fine out to 300+ with it and it's not like it was penning most modern armor anyway. Unless someone is experimenting with other calibers for IV pen or PRS there's realistically not a single reason to switch from a plentiful, cheap round that has 30 years of intensive loading data behind it.I use an 11.5 with 62gr flying at about 1800fps and it works fantastic out to 300 with roughly 2.2-3 MOA.
>>64318583>>64318726>>64318732>>64318733you're all gay. there is no combat scenerio where shorter length rifles have given an advantage to lethality to one side. the ONLY reason to use carbines ans carbinized rifles is so that retarded POGs and guys whose "combat experience" in Iraq was driving around reacting to IDF for 8 years don't tire their little arms out. >inb4 "but how will we clear rooms like my uncle did in Fallujah and ramadi?!" answer: frag grenadeAlso, 99%+ of the guys that actually were in fallujah had full length m16's, and most of them didn't write shitty books afterward which read at a 4th grade level
>>64319382>Lethality Buddy they're gonna fucking dieWhat distance do you genuinely fucking think shit is gonna pop off at at your own houseThis isn't the sandbox. This is the US, a first-world, highly developed nation.
>>64319382>poster is 22 or younger>does not have a CIB>has never even served>learned everything he knows about guns from /arg/ and reddit>saves pictures on his drive of men "looking hard" to reinforce his preferred AR build for punching paper platesfucking lol.
>>64318439>full length 20">update optics, grips to suit preference/use>add grip as desired>only drop barrel length for suppressors in CQClike all metas the core is what matters, everything else is to taste and your personal neuroticisms if you're giving up barrel length for anything but a suppressor you're a retard.>but muh room clearingthrow a frag.
>metaSub 10" 300 blk with a fatass .308 can on it and an LPVO/MPVO with open turrets and a ballistics calculator.
>>64319363he openly stated that companies have sent him stuff to use and post on here, i know eotech did and a few others. i doubt if KAC pays him though because they hate their civilian customers (buddy is married to a chick whose parents were both KAC executives and they're the "civilians shouldn't own these" type of people). i think he's just a fanboy who thinks whatever he likes is what everyone else should like because he's a big deal on the internet.
>>64318856The lawnmower guy was 3lbs of tannerite. It'd be heavier than any other high explosive, yeah, but you very feasibly can make a warhead from it.
>>64319430Okay, you threw a frag, now go into the room and clear it and the room beyond it.
>>64319498If you need to "clear" the room, you didn't frag the room properly.There's a reason new models of grenades have been getting a lot bigger and more powerful lately.
>>64318775...no.
>>64319505>being this painfully retardedMultiple people from not just Fallujah, but other conflicts as well including Vietnam, have documented throwing multiple frags in rooms full of enemies entrenched behind things like furniture, debris, even bodies and enemies still fighting back.A grenade is not a magical "kill everyone" option like your video games have taught you, nor are people trained to ignore the potential for collateral damage or carelessly waste a (valuable) limited resource during a fight.It is painfully clear you have no frame of reference here or experience and are just mouthing off like the redditor retard you are about your preferred "combat build."You contribute nothing to this conversation or this board, so please just shut up.>tldr go read a book, you fucking nigger
>>64319365Whys it so slow, are they soft tips? 11.5” should be getting around 2600fps
>>64319526Nigger, the whole house clearing thing is just enemies knowing your rules of engagement and drawing you into an ambush.Don't clear houses. Pancake the fuckers with fuckloads (at least 20Kg of HE) of ordnance.Don't clear dugouts in trenches, magdump the holes, then toss >1,0KG charges of RDX or Comp-B in them bitches and move on.
>>64318439Your bullpup of choice, because they look cool and futuristic
>>64319382What the fuck are you talking about POGs have M16s while the grunts for M4s until M27s became a thing for the grunts. The M4 was the grunt rifle
>>64318770>>no room for proper optic + lam + white light without compromising support hand positionMaybe on the AUG but we've moved on from 1977
>>64319606is that a famas?
An 11.5 with average can is like 17.5 inches depending on muzzle device and no one complains about that. With just an A2 the 20" is only like 4" longer.
>>64319618croatian VHS2 / Springfield Hellion
>>64318439Class IV UV LASERs for blinding your opponents. Lol, they won't see it coming.
>>64319627I thought the whole purpose of super shorty ARs was to fit a can or muzzle device on there and keep it under 16"-20"
>>64319618Yes>>64319629Lies, I don't see any tape spools on it. How could it be a VHS?
>>64319236All based off limited Internet clip viewing probably.Like he sees those gopro clips of Ukrainian guys running in trenches, catching unaware/retarded mobiks off guard and lighting them up cyclic with an M4 around a corner, and thinks it's all like that.
>>64319490Oh okay, that’s extremely gay. I’ll just get a BCM 11.5” and tell everyone it’s just as good and hopefully piss him off if he ever checks in between shilling
>>64319636Not exactly but nowadays that's a major benefit to them. Initially super short ARs and AKs were developed as replacements for SMGs. In fact the maintenance guide for the M16A1 calls the XM-177 a submachine gun and the Russians call their Krinks SMGs
>>64319659Are assault rifles really just +P+ SMGs?Were the US Army Ordnance department correct during WWII when they classified all those captured German assault rifles as machine pistols?
>>64318528>>64318546*handwringing intensifies*
>>64319681I'd say so, if only based on the fact almost every military that adopted assault rifles initially employed them like SMGs. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, the "MP-44 designation is found in some German documents and Hatchers Notebook calls it an automatic carbine. Granted "carbine" is a very strange and complicated designation, especially given the fierce debate over if the M2 is a SMG or an assault rifle
>>64319645Honestly yeah, if anything Ukraine has shown that versatile carbines with modern optics and gear with tons of ammo capacity are king
>>64319729artillery and drones are king
>>64319741>artillery is kingOkay napoleon
>>64318936It’s kind of ironic that 16” is popular because it’s the shortest you can go with NFA BS (especially prior to “braces”) but 16” is honestly a really good barrel length for most people. It cuts down a bit of OAL and weight but still retains pretty good velocity and lets it be a 250-300 yard rifle which is more than enough for 99% of people and engagements.
>>64320437The funniest thing about the 16" rule is that it used to be 18.5" like shotguns but the government had so many goddamn M1 carbines after the war they had to amend the rules so they could sell off all the M1 carbines they had lying around because we couldn't donate them to allies fast enough to free up inventory space
>>64318740Fight implies the enemy ever had a chance. Bullpup stomps, low dif.
>>64318439Not a KAC, I can tell you that. My 14.5 shot around 5 MOA with decent ammo.Realistically it's still BCM upper on good lower with good trigger. You really start to hit diminishing returns once you go above that.
>>64318439Same as its been for decades. AR with an optic.
>>64319046> hell even a capped section of pipe filled with FFG would absolutely ruin somebody's day if dropped right next to themExactly what I was thinking. If you have a way to trigger remotely or from impact it will be a pretty damn good weapon. Also I’d prefer something like Clays or a fast pistol powder. Higher pressure than black powder.
>>64319365> I use an 11.5 with 62gr flying at about 1800fpsHope you meant 2800fps
>>64318856> its too heavy for how low yield it is.That’s patently false. Stick it in a metal pipe, cap it, detonate. That’s killing easily.
>>64320457The white AUG is one of the sexiest guns of all time
>>64318439Street clothes and a Mossberg 590.Just keep ammo on Velcro sidesaddles in your pocket.”, or on a bandolier or something.Operate wherever you are. KekNothing ever happens, anyway, so have fun.
>>64319035We shortened the weapon because we were using hummers as IMVs and full-length was a pain in the ass.I was on Haifa Street and OAL was never an issue indoors or out, but getting in and out of a truck, that changed.
>>64320447other way around. they sold them first then realize they just made NFA items common use, so they changed the law
>>64318439Firearm: Two Desert Eagles in .50 AE, gold tiger stripe. Ideally paired with the largest Holosun optics you can find, extra points for having the solar panel.Clothes: Faux crocodile vest with matching boots. No undershirt and torn short shortsGoggles: Eyepatch
>>64318439secretly a suppressed 14.5
Thanks for the input bros
>>64318877me at the range last night
>>64320639A 556 going 1800 is enough to kill a person at 1000 yards, who gives a fuck
>>64319069this, larperators on suicide watch>>64320935also this, shotguns are a direct upgrade over ARs for home defense and I'm tired of pretending they're not.>muh range muh armored glowie goons coming to rape meIf you're worried about either of those you live in fantasy land
>>64320935>>64328636>t.fudd gun grabber that will die in a ditch 5 mins into the boog
>>64328657>Implying picrel is a fudd gun>Implying le hecking booger lube will happen in 2 MOAR WEEKS
>>64328666>Satan trips>Meme shotgunThat checks out kek. Just get picrel if you don't give a fuck about "le tactics" and want a gun that's actually useful in reality
>>64320935>>64328636>>64328666>>64328678Holy fuck kill yourself you old retard, shotguns have been outdated since their inception and are only used by broke faggots who don't know any better
>>64318439The new meta is to claim that the military outguns Americans so much that they can do whatever they want on American soil.
>>64328721burger civis are already zogged beyond belief, they've already been conquered by the brown hordes so ITS OVER
