Made In China EditionDiscussion of Shotguns.
>>64320173Do shotguns lead to increased lead exposure vs rifles?
>>64320453The for person getting shot, yes
>>64320453most lead particles come from the exposed base of the bullet so not really, fmjs still have lead core and underside of the projectile
>>64320554Most lead exposure is from the primer vapors
How would one of the Mossberg 590 models be for a first shotgun? I like the Mossberg 590A1 9-shot with the M-Lok forend the most so far, but the local gun store recommended getting a lower-end 590, a Magpul stock, and more ammo instead. Others recommended the Mossberg 500 with different barrels and shit to swap between. Ultimately, after a pump shotgun, I want to get a semi-automatic, but that's in the more distant future. I don't know shit about what I'd need to shoot different types of shot and slugs. For now, it would be for fun first and home defense second. Hunting isn't really a factor for now.Other brands and models are welcome. These are just the two that keep popping up in my research as fitting my wants/needs/how much I want to spend.
>>64320747I got a 590 as my first shotgun. it's nice.
>>64320173Why the hell are the chicocoms so fuckin' godless? Is it all the rice they eat?
>>64320795Fuck off niggerlover
>>64320652Truth
>>64320850I wonder what kind of shotgun she likes.
>>64320936maverick 88
>>64321791>Its just a good, solid, shotgun.
First time shotgun owner here.I just find out that 7+1 for some shells, like 00, is a lie unless you trim the spring...well at least I can fit 7+1 slugs.
>>64323230That's less of a size of the shot in the shell issue than it is a crimp style creating "longer" 2 3/4" shells.Some manufacturers 00 is longer than others, even with the same crimp though, so shop/google around and find out which loadings will give you the full capacity.
Has anyone here shot this stuff?https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/shotgun/12-ga-00-buckshot#!/
Been having a problem with a Bobcat going after my chickens lately so unpacked my goofy Turkish bullpup and have it ready by the door when should things get froggy.What kind of loads are appropriate for medium sized cats? Currently have birdshot/target load as the first in the magazine followed by 4 buckshot.
>>64325661Why the fuck would you have target load birdshot as the first round anyways? I assume you have that followed by 4x 00 buck which is no doubt overkill. Maybe #4 buck would be better. Also be aware of your backstop, distance, and spread. If you're likely to shoot it off the roof or higher up on the coop, then where the fuck is that 00 buck going, as well?
>>64325661Take the birshot out You could get away with F, T maybe even BB, especially if tungsten, but just run the #4 and kill it on the first shot.
>always wanted a spas 12, even if it's a meme gun>they're far too expensive now, $5-6k on fuddbroker>local listing crops up, still $4kIt's such a terrible price but I still kind of want it.
>>64323030The Nova/Supernova would look so much better if they didn't have such ugly forends. Why couldn't they use the ones from the M-series?
Thoughts on 20 gauge? Worth having?
>>64329343its for manlets and foids
>>64325661Cats are thin-skinned and don't have big bones or muscles. Any of the larger birdshot sizes (say, BB through F) or smaller buckshot (#4) are ideal.
>>64329362Does anyone even make BB or F shot ammo?
>>64329382goose loads
>>64325074Yes, what do you want to know? >>64323230You type like a jeet and misunderstood basic shotgun knowledge. All 2 3/4" shells are based on FIRED length. Star crimp have more of that length folded up and are therefore shorter unfired. See >>64323575
>>64329468How bad is the kick for that ammo?
>>64328583Why does the finish on mine look so shit by comparison?1/2
>>64328583>>643294852/2
>>64329472It's on the higher end of average. If a black magic magnum was an 8/10 for 2-3/4" I'd call these a 7They cycle semi automatics well and are much more pleasant in those. If you're using a pump gun look for surplus federal low recoil LE 9 pellet with the flight control wad. Low recoil (doesn't cycle semi autos) but very high quality https://stunomma.com/product/fed-tactical-12ga-2-3-4-9-pellet-00-buck-250-le13200/
>>64329501Forgot photoFederal has a higher velocity version as well but if you're using a pump gun it's a waste.
>>64329485That's a extremely customized Remington and yours is a mass produced mossberg
>>64329485>vintage Wingmaster that's been customized by a famous gunsmithvs.>cheap ass modern gunGee, I wonder.If you want to be specific, the Wilson has much higher grade wood and it has old-school good quality high-polish bluing while your Mossberg has a basic matte finish.
>>64329517>>64329556well at least I have my answer. I at least want the wooden furniture to look good. A quick sanding and some lacquer should make it look more like picrel
I've been considering my first semi. I've got plenty of pumps already.The market seems to be trending towards the 1301, and the a300 as a budget option. Mossberg has the 940 but it looks too goofy. Benelli is out of my price range. Anything else I should look at?
>>64330360>sandingThat polyurethane will clog the fuck out of your sandpaper, trust me. Scraper is ideal but harder to keep the details crisp and the curves right (and the ends not rounded off, like the butt or wrist of the stock where the plate attaches and the stock butts against the receiver). Might want to just use a stripper or acetone and cotton buds. I've been at a real old...kinda shotgun (surplus) removing oil with acetone. I just wish I knew what that shit doesn't soak through. It goes through my nitrile gloves like they're fucking cotton. Great for my health, I'm sure...
>>64325877Just get an a300, you will be happier. >>64329343If you can have fun shooting it, it's worth having(: if you're accurate with it, and quick with it, it'll be more dangerous than most any handgun for home defense. >>64330697Just get an a300, you will be happier.
>>64330777Trips of good advice, I welcome thee. Very grateful then for the fact that my work offers as many silvershield gloves as I want. And if I bring a bottle of my own I could sneak out some acetone.
>>64325877If you want a SPAS, pay careful attention to the exact configuration. The value varies a lot depending on little details like the barrel length, who imported them, >>64330829It depends entirely on why he wants the gun. The a300 is a much better shooter than a SPAS, no question about that, but if he wants a cool looking investment piece it falls flat.
>>64320747>>64320747Mossberg is good shit. My first shotgun was a maverick 88 that I absolutely abused and never cleaned, and I’ve stuck with mossberg ever since.
>>64320747>Mossberg 590They're good quality, work well, and aren't absurdly priced. These are all good things for a beginner shotgun. That said, they are a one-trick-pony, they're a dedicated combat shotgun with few barrel options. That kinda sucks because shooting clays is the most fun you can have with a shotgun and totally kicks the crap out of shooting static targets. In my opinion the 500 combo model with both the 18.5" and the long barrel is the best option for a new beginner pump and you want something nicer than a Maverick.
its crazy how the 1301 is inflating in price.
>>64332041>its crazy how the 1301 is inflating in price.just like how my penus inflates when I see boobies am I right guys? >>64330360>>64329492>>64329485I used to own a shokwave style shotgun and it fucking sucked. You try to aim with it and it punches you in the face. You try to hipfire with it and you look cool but can't hit anything. Shotguns should have stocks.
>Be me>Californian>Franchi Spas-12 is banned by name in the state>Even the Law-12 is banned>Can only get Airshit Spas-12Feels so bad, man
>>64329343More expensive than 12 gauge. Not worth it.
>>64329343more pleasant and fun to shoot, but less availablewould prefer it if I'm gonna be shooting it a lot in one day but would take 12 gauge for hunting and what have you
>>64320173I also used that gun until I unlocked the 870 in bf4
>>64320173A300 or 1301?
>>64334301Benelli M2
>>64334301em fo' for the GWOT larp
>>64334762Nice>>64333801What about a Beretta 1201FP?
>>64329468>You type like a jeet and misunderstood basic shotgun knowledge.Well I'm an ESL and it's my first shotgun, so be kind.I'm...italian...
>>64325074It patterns really nice out of an 18" cylinder bore. Plenty of loads that do that as well, but it's good stuff.
>>64335046Its ok, at least you get cheap nice shotguns
>>64334822>What about a Beretta 1201FP?NTA but I appreciate it. Never heard of it before, but I've been looking for an Italian shotgun to go with my 92, and I like the idea of not having to pay 1301 or Benelli prices for one.
>>64335046NTA but shotgun shell length tends to vary by brand just a little. Some may load 7+1, some may not. IIRC that's something that is mentioned on hunting forums in the US as we have magazine capacity limits when hunting birds, so you "plug" the magazine and reduce the capacity by inserting a wooden dowel inside the spring. While plugs may work fine and limit the capacity for your current ammo, another brand may be a little shorter and allow loading over the limit. Star crimp vs roll crimp also tends to affect how many rounds you can load.
just got my a300 outlander but it said ultima on the shotgun… the fuck?, what should check on it?
>>64337232And you accepted it? Not good…..
>>64337232Congratulations fag you got a new updated model. If you really want an outlander ill trade you mine for yours.
500, 590A1, 590, 590S?
>>64338417>500Good general-purpose shotgun>590A1Combat specific model, you can't get long barrels for it like you would use for hunting or clays.>590Older version of the 590A1, same things apply.>SLike the 590, but without a stock so it's less useful.As usual, the answer depends on the details you didn't bother to mention: what do you want to use it for? If you want a fun meme larpstick get the shockwave. If you want to do practical shotgun things get the 500.
>>64338481I plan on only buying one, so as much practicality as possible. I'm leaning towards the 590S so I can run mini shells. The 500 comes with two barrels though. The 590A1 is built ridiculously tough and the parkerized finish would hold up a lot better in my humid climate I think.
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>>64338594>>64338481>>64338417Really can't go wrong with any of them, especially the 590A1
this shit is gay
>>64339588I have one for my mossberg but I haven't installed it yet.I got it incase I run out of ammo and need to shoot myself.
>>64339673Bump
>>64334301Benelli m2.
>>64338417940
Vepr 12 bump
Do I need a modern tactical shotgun? I've got a very old auto 5 I chopped down, but it's obviously not easy to add a light or optic. I've always wanted an m1 super 90 but I'm not sure it's worth the money. I've also considered a turkshit Benelli clone but they seem hit or miss.
>>64344626Need? No, probably not. But that's not going to stop my retarded ass who never even uses a shotgun from buying a fucking Benelli M4 to live out my COD 4 nostalgia one day. I hunt, sure, but never with a shotgun. Despite that I'm thinking of getting one and a silencer.>turkshitJust buy the real thing. Used, even. I had that discussion with myself as well. The MP5s actually look to be functional, which is impressive for a Turkish gun that's anything other than a break action shotgun or maybe a pistol. So that I'll cheap out on. But the M4 clones seem to be okay or total trash. My luck gambling like that is either all the way bad or all the way good, no in-between. Not worth it IMO.
Say....Do you guys think its feasible to make your own bakelite handguards and buttstock for your M4?I was wondering how green bakelite would look on mine since I was rocking turkish walnut for the past few months.
>>64345826Bakelite is a major pain in the ass to work with. It has to be set in heated compression molds, which is theoretically doable for a hobbyist but is quite advanced. I bet you could probably make something that looks similar from some sort of pourable resin or epoxy though.
>>64344319Can anyone identify the carrier/rig that's being used here? I think I've got a workaround for magazines so far but I always wondered if there was any "official" carrying solution used by Russian forces, etc.
>>64344626Need? No. That said, nothing wrong with wanting one. Guns.com has a used one listed, but I know nothing about that model. >>64345663Brother!
>>64345826>>64346212NTA but I've been thinking about using a Smooth-On resin to imitate bakelite or AG-4 as well. Not sure which resin would be the best and heat resistant as some are soft or like to deform under heat like in the back window of a car. Use UVO colorant to dye the resin and give it UV protection. Email them; they'll answer the next day with advice and recommended materials. Over $100, orders get free shipping which is easy to hit with, like, a Sorta-Clear 40 2lb trial (https://www.smooth-on.com/products/sorta-clear-40/), a resin 2lb trial, some UVO colors, stir sticks, and Supralease PTR mold release. Add a filler and you're easily above that lol. Use a Vevor vacuum pot for degassing silicone; the Smooth-on thing is insanely expensive for a plastic 2 part pot. Vevor should maybe be $135, maybe a little higher now that we have some more import tax. You'd need to make the butt somewhat hollow but thick at the wrist; the A1 and A2 buttstocks were filled with a foam, which you can imitate using Foam-iT! (https://www.smooth-on.com/product-line/foam-it/) but I've yet to bring an A2 stock along to my local store to compare the densities in person lol. Also grab some Sculptex; that's on the Reynolds Advanced Materials site, though, so IDK if you can order both online at the same time (they own Smooth-On IIRC, or the other way around).It's not easy to hit the exact colors and transparency you want and a lot of urethanes set stupid quick, but with a lot of experimentation, you can get there. I prefer silicones that have a working time of above 45 minutes and a cure of above 2 hours. I have already sat there pouring silicone in tight spots for the full 45 minutes to reduce air bubbles. Seriously.>>64347134I'm half tempted to get an Ultradot Pan AV when I get one to make it even closer to what I often used on COD but I have some strange feeling it wouldn't like to be on a shotgun lol.
>>64347904Talk to 'Brick in the Yard' and/or 'Fox and Superfine', these are companies that specialize in materials for molding movie props. They will put you in the right direction.
>>64346693Pretty sure that guy's French RAID. As to what rig, no clue. But RPK pouches fit Vepr 12 10 rounders fine, so that might be a starting point.
>>64348265I'd give that advice to >>64345826 instead, anon; I already watch Brick in the Yard and have spent far more at Smooth-On (for very stupid projects and attempts at cost savings) than I ever want to admit lol. I'll check out Fox and Superfine, though; hard to find good silicone/resin channels for practical rather than "pouring $2000 of resin to encapsulate random shit is cool" (it is). Also a lot of channels just use cheap ass UV resins and shit I have zero interest in which sucks because some of them have great techniques for getting swirls and details that I can't really use due to longer set times and greater volume.
>>64329348I am a manlet and I still use a 12ga 590a1.I like durable tools and I like cheap ammo.And it is legitimately fun to see how quickly I can put 9 loads of shot into something and the consequences thereof.
Shotbump
>>64347904>Ultradot Pan AVSo that's what its called. I think I heard someone say the quality is iffy, but it's all second hand talking so no clue
>>64359120IIRC dots of that kind and era are relatively fragile too. So don't bump it into a tree or drop it too hard. Glass will shatter. Whether they can hold up to a 12ga or not is the real question.
>>64359120>I think I heard someone say the quality is iffy,the quality is of that era. which means by todays standards its fragile and the battery life is shit. however it will survive and hold zero on the gun if you baby it. its a 30 year old design that hasnt been updated at all.the clones wont hold up to being on a gun when shot. holding zero is a lol no.
Can I play? Future .410 shotgun, currently a very neglected .410IM rifle from India. Recreated half the front handguard. Need to recreate the rear half that attaches via a clip that I thankfully somehow got with my rifle. Recreated section is a little oversize and needs final shaping. Need to epoxy the halves together as well, probably going with Acraglas. Forestock and buttstock need major degreasing, probably to the point of hanging an acetone soaked rag over them in a pot of acetone; I think they were treated with used motor oil as the wood is orange inside but black or grey outside when degreased and the whole thing smells like a piece of greasy machinery. Forestock needs ass-end crack repair which while my dumb ass certainly didn't help its condition, thank god it looks like I wasn't the retard to cause it in the first place, just make it worse.After all that, I still need a bolt and a gunsmith willing to humor me in reaming the chamber out for .410. I can only hope that they can remove the barrel if need be as SMLEs are known to be difficult IIRC, though Centerfire certainly seems like they had luck as they sell receivers and barrels for these things.
>>64360507Will a plastic or even a brass .410 case cycle from the magazine or do you think you'll have to load it one round at a time?
I don't know anything. I'm going to get a shotgun for my home. What should I get? $500-1k budget. Before you ask I have experience with handguns, and some rifles.
>>64362723Litteraly a maverick 88 if you want a reliable hood popper that you wont feel bad about if it ends up in the evidence locker while they investigate a robber getting ventilated. ~$270 and spend the rest on flitecontrol ammo. Buy one with a fixed stock, no folding stocks or pistol grips.
>>64362711I unfortunately don't have any unfired .410 to check. Looks like rounds should easily load if dropped straight on the mag follower they threw on top of the wood block in the magwell. Seems they beveled the lower edge of the barrel. With a nice round edged 410 cartridge I don't think you'd have issues. Probably varies gun to gun. Still available last I checked @ centerfire but needs to be bored to accept .410 shotshells unless you want to fireform .303s to IM .410 and load those shells like you would a .410. Just copying from an old reply of mine:https://centerfiresystems.com/ishapore-no-1-mk-iii-shotgun-model-410-musket-surplus-incomplete-c-r-eligible/But note that these do NOT come with a bolt! Barrels are a whopping $40 lol.
>>64362711And another pic because why not. London Small Arms made it and it has an LSA buttstock, possibly with a different S/N. Pretty neat. Considering the pics of the guns on centerfire's listing I probably got one of the better ones.
>>64365015>>64365018Would it be worth it to check if you could load 410 shells into the magazine before you continue or would you be content with having a single shot bolt action 410?
>>64368193Either would be fine; mag would be cool though. A lot of the British civilian market 410 shotgun conversions have their floorplates welded in place as it makes it easier for them to own FWIW. I think some do use the original mag; might be modified, not sure. Magwell is blocked on mine and will probably stay that way. Also missing the catch. When they were converted to 410 IM for India, the mags were removed, a follower inserted into the magwell, and a wood block dowel pinned in place into the stock. Mine has an inspection mark on the wood block which I find kinda funny. Generic Centerfire pic.
Filed off the sight post on the FP6 shorty and drilled and tapped it for an XS Benelli sight. Like.
>>64369332Nice, you take to the range yet or are you trying to keep it mint?
>>64333801Same in the entire country of Canada. But while airsoft is still legal, our authorities and special interest groups are casting a jaundiced eye at the hobby. It'll be only a matter of time. :-(
Anyone have any experience with the Panzer G3 12 gauge?
>>64369624Kinda...want? Im intrigued because its not an AR or AK lookalike.
Bump
I tried out my Maverick 88 with a used slug barrel yesterday for the first time, and all my shots are landing about 4 inches above point of aim at like 50 yards. Anything I can change or should I just aim lower? Windage is perfect
Took out muh SXP to zero the red dot, I think im good to go with my dirty zero using fiocchi 1oz slugs, the wads totally fucked the target stand tho lmao. 25 yards standing unsupported because I forgot my shootin sticks.
>>64371824Are your sights non adjustable?
>>64371824how far are you from the target. if its 4 high its probably dead on 50 yards from whatever you are doing
>>64372817They are, and I have them adjusted to hit as low as possible, but for some reason they are still hitting high
I think I'll rattlecan my 1301 comp RAL8000 for duck season. Not a particularly great color for my area but it looks good and it's better than black.
>>64372822If you're bottom/topped out then yeah, you're gonna have to Kentucky your shots unless you:>1. Get an optic mounted and zeroed>2. Find another brand of ammunition that might work for your gun.You're not totally out of options
Has anyone here bought the Mossie 990 yet? I am tempted. They have the shockwave version for $900 near me and i understand it can take standard 500/590 accessories.I have a Mav88 and a chinkshit ak12 but otherwise would like a decent semi auto.
>>64372831>Spray paintFuck that, scrim your gun and wade around in a camo netting cloak
>>64372856For that money i'd go for an A300 UP, it has mlok points and stockless shotguns are a meme.
I have the urge to drop 750 on a KSG and need someone to talk some sense into me.
>>64372881Sometimes you just want a lupara
>>64333657>Shotguns should have stocksJust use birdshot. It's just for a tool for fun.
>>64369624heck of a shotgun
>>64372870NTA but I kinda want to make a drop-on scrim/net for my next rifle. Can use it in any season as you just swap or remove as needed. Also, that rifle: how the fuck does it eject cases?
>>64329343…. It bothers me that this goes 28-16-20-12….. is it that hard to put it in order?
>>64373940For a couple hundred more you could luck out into a Dp-12 with twice the barrel?
>>64374017I am now gonna email the Turkish embassy and urge them to make a PPSH style shotgun.
/sgg/ reloading anons, what is your favorite hull to reload that's still on the market these days?
>>64377651Winchester AA HS. Is it kinda retarded that I have to use tapered wads? Do i have less wad selection to be able to make fun retard loads? Yes, but I can get a billion of the fucking things for free from the local trap field and they are stupid durable. I load them four times before I toss 'em and even then I think they still have at least 3 loads left. My current recipe is:>Federal 209A primer>18 grains titegroup>CB0178-12 or CB0175-12 wad>7/8 oz reclaimed lead shot that is mixed from 7.5 to 9 sizeI shot a lot of trap and I live in California so its just ever so slightly more economical for me to roll my own.
>>64378303I got a fuckload of these free but they're bretty old.>7/8 oz reclaimed lead shot that is mixed from 7.5 to 9 sizeAll my what. How the hell does one reclaim shot? Is the clay field just like a massive concrete pad and they have a vacuum or what?
>>64378905They just dig the top few inches and process it like they're gold mining.
>>64378921Huh. My old range really could've used that for sure; you could see sheets of shot just laying on the dirt and I'm sure you could've probably scooped it up pretty easy even just by hand lol. They were too stupid to do things like reclaim the shot though; couldn't even run a range despite having almost twice the cash in bank of some other ranges nearby. Thank god I'm where I'm at now.
>>64369590It’s hardly mint since I scuffed up the sight post and drilled a hole in the stock for the QD. I’ll definitely shoot it when I either join the stage outdoor range or find a fren with some land. >>64372817Oh yeah>>64372856I saw some guntuber who Form 1’d it, which has to be pretty noice. >>64372881Based camo enjoyer
>>64320747I haven't looked at prices in forever but a 500 or maverick 88 is effectively the same gun. My first shotgun was a 500 and I like it much more than any 870 I've ever shot.
>>64379293Same gun for less*
>>64336094Yeah, I was working on a shotgun project last year and unfired shell length not being close to standardized was fucking me.
>>64371824I would aim lower.
>>64320756>>64331753>>64332037>>64379293I'm personally deadset on going with the 500 security / field combo, but I stumbled upon these two videos that makes me question the design's reliability. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsZaLmijSpghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87XSOnQrCYgBasically, it seems like a major issue with the Mossberg 500 design is that if the weapon is dropped from two feet or more, the shell lifter will pop out of its retaining hole and jam the weapon. I've been told this is easily fixed by removing the lifter and pulling the arms apart slightly, like trying to break a wishbone. This causes enough tension to keep the lifter from ever popping out of its socket ever again. I've only ever had positive experiences shooting mossbergs, so this possible issue is a concern for me.
>>64379823Is it really that big of an issue if the permanent fix takes litteraly 2 minutes to do? It sounds like you're just looking for an excuse not to buy a gun.
>>64380497>It sounds like you're just looking for an excuse not to buy a gun.I've been found out kek. I really could use a new fun.
I just bought some Sterling (turkish) shells, got a box of both slugs and buckshot.Question is...are those safe? I don't care about them being dirty (I clean my guns as soon as I get home) or inaccurate, rather them not blowing my shotgun or my face apart.Usually buy Rio, Saga or Remington, but I want to try new brands.
>>64381845Yes anon, you can safely shoot those shells in any modern shotgun.Actually no, they are unbelievably dangerous, they are what blew up that tnt factory in Tennessee, you should give them to me to dispose of them.
>>64380497Jesus that barrel wall looks thick. My 870 barrel feels as thin as steel tubing.
>>64320173I got a a5 for pretty cheap Im gonna turn it into a bushtube clone. Im gonna get another forend and connect them. I can make a tube. Anyone know where I can get and 18in barrel or do I gotta make my own?
>>64382289Ur gonna have to cut down a barrel anon, A5 barrels rarely ever came in a riot length. Most were diy jobs iirc.>unrelated, but i wish I had a 590 compact cruiser.
>>64382289Frankly at that point get a nice chunk of wood from a local lumberyard (NOT Lowes), that guy who owns that hand-made wood furniture store you've never been in who also sells slabs and wood for some reason, or that guy who sells kiln dried wood at a local flea market/his store on his property. Yes it will take a lot of work. But the forends are thin as shit and are often already starting to crack. It will take a lot of work but trust me, it's doable. Worst comes to worst you're out like $25 for wood. I just don't quite know how you'd cut the mag tube channel without a specialized router bit. And using old forends you need to get two made of similar wood to not look completely like shit and completely strip and refinish them to match the stock (and/or refinish that too) anyways so why the fuck not. Gluing two together you'll never match the grain perfectly anyways.
>>64379823Is a non issue that retards made into an issue. I guy put it out on the net then others copied him claiming it's a real problem when it's a user induced malfunction.
>>64382267>They just dont make 'em like they used to...
>>64383921i dont think i want a heavy-barrel shotgun
Why this general is so slow compared to /arg/ and /hg/?
>>64384315Not much goes on with shotguns ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>64379823I've never had that happen or heard of it happening prior to now, but then again I don't drop my shotgun in general. And if it did happen it would be an easy fix since it takes about 60 seconds to take the gun down all the way. I don't think it's at all a problem you need to worry about.
>>64382289>Im gonna get another forend and connect themYou're not a good enough wood worker to make that look anything but shit, and if you ARE good enough then it's cheaper to make your own. I'm either case please do not ruin perfectly good gun parts.
>>64387441NTA, and I am a good enough woodworker to splice two handguards together, but I would never attempt that. The chance of finding two handguards whose grain matched close enough to make the splice not look like shit would be very very low. You'd have to examine dozens of them in hopes of maybe just maybe finding a pair that were in good shape and had similar grain. Then you're doing a really technical joint on a part with thin cross-section, and you have to refinish it all when you're done. It would be much easier to make a new one from scratch, or chop an old one and use it to make a pattern for making a new one via a stock duplicator.
>>64387456I'm not a good wood worker myself but I've thought about making a stock set for my old A5. How aids do you think it would be?
>>64329501what is your top tier 00 buck?
>>64333801I rescued my Benelli M4 from some Commiefornian, can't you get those? Or was that guy a cop or something
>>64387465There's basically two ways you can make stocks. The old-school method is to make them by hand, which is very difficult. Back in the days when guns were made by hand there were various jobs, and the "stocker"--the guy who carved the wood stock--was more highly paid and considered a more skilled workman than the guys who made the barrels, filed the lock parts, etc. The other method is to make a pattern--which is easy because it doesn't have to be pretty--and then using a duplicator to copy the shape in nicer wood. This is pretty simple to DIY, especially if you have an existing stock to work with. You can DIY a duplicator from a router if you want, or there are services where you can send out your pattern and they do it for you. Then at that point all you need to do is the final finishing. Because the pattern doesn't have to be pretty you can make it out of cheap and easy to shape materials. Body filler, foam, etc.
>>64333801huh? why? the folding stock?
>>64384315We're too busy busting clays to post
>>64384315/arg/ is filled with schizos, and I think most of them are banned right now so it's pretty slow too.
>>64387620Benelli M4s are legal in California as long as the stock doesnt adjust.>>64387680Banned by name after our assault weapons ban was passed.Clones would be legal now
>>64382289Kalashnicarver has what you need for that, but if you chop the barrel to 18in, it’ll be somewhere inside the handguard by a foot and likely blow it apart when fired, the gun in your pic has a 30in.
>>64387465The wood grain direction is huge in anything that isn't a 22. I can't really comment on that any further as I probably don't have enough knowledge to do anything other than make myself look a little retarded when I get half the details wrong but it is important so your stock doesn't split, kinda like how it's important on an axe handle. Larry from MidwayUSA probably has a video on that too just like everything else, lol.
>>64388813that's pretty easy to explain
Thoughts on pump hand straps?
>>64382844Sweet!
>>64388887Nah.
>>64383929Im of the opposite mentality, I want a fucking THICC barrel to make 3.5 inch magnums more tolerable to shoot.
>>64387680Because Californians are faggots, anon.
>>64388887makes sense on certain guns like shockwaves or anything else where if you slip you shoot your hand off.pointless on a normal gun.
>>64390497I wish foregrips were more popular.
>>64387661When you say the old school way is difficult, do you mean difficult or do you mean unpleasant/tedious? If I go buy a saw and rasps and chisels am I likely to fuck up irrevocably and ruin an expensive piece of wood or is it just going to take forever?
Is this a meme on a 590a1? The only other forend with an embedded flashlight is twice the price (but has the advantage of having a killswitch), and mounting a flashlight like with a rifle seems excessively bulky. If it isn't a meme, how is the durability/quality?
>>64391676From what I could read, they seem to be durable but they turn on at the lightest touch
I went shootan for Turkey Day here.
>>64394964What's the second from the left holding
>>64391313Definitely more the tedious side than anything else. I don't think there is much chance of ruining anything unless you are in a hurry.The traditional procedure is actually quite retard-proof, it's just slooow. You blacken the action parts you are fitting with the soot from a flame, touch it against the wood, and the soot will transfer to the wood where it is making contact. You carve that little bit of wood away, then repeat the process over and over again until the action is fitted into the wood. So long as you don't get greedy and try to cut too much away too fast it's difficult to screw that up.
>>64395866I think that's a Winchester 1912; specifically a Pigeon Grade, takedown, 20ga.
>>64320173am I a retard for wanting the 18.5" maverick 88 over the 20" just because I like the look of it a whole lot more? from a practical standpoint I know I lose 2 shells for it but my cope is that I don't really see myself ever needing more than 5 in the tube and I think it'd be a little bit less front heavy with 1.5" less of barrel and 2 fewer shells at the front.
>>64397083No, you aren’t a retard, we usually tell people to get the 18in variant as you can buy the “Security and Field combo” 500 or 88 so you can swap barrels on the gun and take it sporting clay shooting or hunting, and still have a good home defense weapon.
Is this okay and if so for how much?https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1131879672
>>64399009Gun looks fine, just a bit of rust. Description said stiff action but it might just need a cleaning and oiling if the rust is anything to go by. Ugly furniture and no bead make it look cheap. I'd put down no more than like...$350 probably.
>>64399009>>64399117Wow I think I have that same exact pistol grip. I bought it at a pawn shop for six bucks and stuck it on my 500
>>64395181Did you get a turkey?
>>64379293>>64320747Maverick 88 field combo's good, you can hunt small game and kill bad guys.
>tac 13>a300>990 and 940Want to get a semi auto shotgun but know nothing about them.Does anyone have experience with any of the above? Specially their gas systems? IE how to fiddle with or maintain them, how well each cycles and affects recoil. The latter are pretty new, but I’m sure someone somewhere who knows what they’re doing has taken them apart. I just don’t know them.
>>64401982I own a 930 and haven't kept up to date with anything that's come out since, but mines great. Supremely reliable, recoils fine, maintenance was fine and I even took the trigger group entirely apart for fun even though Mossberg says not to. I really love mine. Last time I took it out I noticed increased recoil but I believe that's just the round count starting to effect the springs, should probably swap them out soon.
>>64384315because /sgg/ is basically poorfag general but specifically for shotgun poorfags. no one has anything interesting to post or say.
>>64401982I own an A300, its been rock solid the entire time I've owned it, 10/10 would recommend.
>>64320173Are Adler shotguns any good? I found this one and it's really cheap so I'm wondering about reliability. I like the look of it.
>>64405501>TurkshitNo.
>>64320173What is the point of shotguns
>>64406349Sporting clay shooting, the finest of shooting sports.
>>64384315first off, a significant amount of /hg/ and /arg/ is schizoposting and drama, but also:ARs have a million different configurations to argue over, you can have them in 10 different calibers, piston vs DI, 10.3" vs 11.5" vs 14.5" vs 16" vs 20", LPVO vs magnifier + dot vs prism + dot vs MPVO + dot, which 5.56 suppressor is the best, etc/hg/ can argue all day about all 9mm vs 45acp vs 10mm vs 5.7, DA/SA vs striker vs SAO, polymer vs metal framed, glock vs clones, etcmeanwhile shotgun general:maverick 88 owner and double barrel 20 gauge owner and benelli M4 owner and .410 owner all to each other: hey bro nice shotgun you got there
>>64406349For bird hunting, the most American type of hunting.
>>64406349huntingthey also fuck people up really bad at close range, 00 buck will make 9 separate wound tracks in a target, #1 buck will make 15, both will penetrate more than deep enough to do some serious damage and will shatter bone
>>64404608That particular brand and size of shell run well in it? Been trying to find something to run when goofing off at the range
>>64406349I like exploding produce at close range for cheap
>>64406538Nta but just go to the clay range and shoot boxes of random 12ga till you find what works
>>64405501I'm sure for whatever that turkshit is selling for you can find a used non turkshit auto for around the same price
Was looking at buying a semiauto shotgun with detachable magazine for home defense, and also as a carbine-replacement for 100, 200, ideally 300 yard range using slugs or flechettes. I figured I'll need a rifled barrel, and maybe specific ammunition to get reasonable accuracy at that range. Is this a bad idea or a really expensive idea or do any /k/ommandos have a gun in mind that fits this use-case?
>>64406538Yes! It was Rio 7/8 oz #8 shot at 1340 fps and my Beretta cycled it very well. Any Rio ammo I've shot has been reliable in my gun.
>>64407024A shotgun is not a replacement for a carbine, you're placing unreasonable goals for your shotgun. Any shots past 100 yards will be very difficult to achieve with slugs or any shotgun ammunition. You do not need a rifled barrel for most slugs and a rifled barrel shooting flechettes/buckshot/birdshot will cause extreme spread past 20 yards. Most mag fed semi auto shotguns dont even come with rifled barrels as an option, I can't recall any on the market right now. If you're set on using mag fed semi autos I've had good experience shooting my friends Chinese saiga clone, but if your going to trust it to protect you id still go with a traditional magazine tube fed semi auto. In all honesty its sounds like you'd be better served just keeping with using whatever carbine you have for anything more than home defense.
>>64407100Lmao, your whole cope about shotguns being "unreasonable" for carbine work is peak NGMI energy—foundation cracked from the start, buddy. Everyone knows a Vepr or even a turkshit mag-fed 12ga with sabots hits like a truck out to 300 if you're not a total scrub; you're just seething because your precious carbine can't switch from buck to slugs mid-fight without looking like a total larper. Post hand or admit you're a fed shill pushing rifle agendas.
>>64407100Yeah it did seem unlikely to me but it's been awhile so my firearm knowledge isn't current; I wanted to check with you guys in case I missed something. The right tool for the right job. I'll probably grab some sabot shells and see just how accurate this shotgun can be at range, but it's still probably gonna be confined to being a homebody.
>>64407120...oh. Ok. So... you recommend a vepr or a... what brand is "turkshit" lmao
>>64407120...Fuck you got me anon, I actually do work for big rifle. I just hate how big shotgun still exists. Now that my cover is blown i must circumcise myself in the action of this mossberg 500:(>>64407141Please ask these questions in your preferred search engine of choice>max effective range of shotgun slugs>same as above but with buckshot>mag fed semi auto shotguns for sale>best semi auto shotguns under $1000I'll give you a free one, Turkshit means cheap shitty shotguns made in Turkey, of which there are dozens of models for sale across the gun sphere.
>>64387765I love clay busting, you can make it as chill or as intense as you want.
Silent 410 pump Mossberg 500
My Beretta 694 31" GMK 1/250 edition and my Beretta SV10 Prevail 30"
Pro Clay National Skeet shooter here /AMA/I expect the most equisite fudd bullshit You may begin Gentlemen, I may do a new thread once in a while
>>64329343I have a 20ga loaded with slugs for HD, works well enough but 12ga is cheaper and more available. I think having a smaller, lighter gun has a certain charm to it as well, but that's a taste thing.
>>64409406If you're carrying the gun around innawoods hunting the smaller, lighter thing is a hell of a lot more than just "taste". A heavy gun is great if you're shooting trap or skeet because you're shooting a lot but little walking. If you're walking around after upland game? Then you want the opposite, because you might walk for miles but fire few shots.
>>64409392>skeetPlease provide a short explanation as to the allure of this sport. Seriously.As far as I can see, it's less about shooting skills and more about autistic obsessive fixation on pattern memorization and mechanical repetition. Even air pistol/rifle bullseye shooting is more exciting in my opinion.Best regards, a fellow Eurofag sports shooter.
>>64409459>As far as I can see, it's less about shooting skills and more about autistic obsessive fixation on pattern memorization and mechanical repetitionWrong, it's about fundamentals of the game, think of it as a game of distillied perfection, in American skeet the birds are on rails and you guys refuse to shoot on windy days, using 1 1/4 oz carts no pair on 4. In England we do pair on 4, slighlty slower which means the move like fuck so it's way more sporting, but the aim of the game is mental concentration. I refereed 2 of the best in the world Henry Arnold and Jamie Brightman who shoot sporting and shoot skeet for fun and for practice, we had 5 national team members round the table on Wednesday at my club - one is a Game shooter who is a superb shot, myself an excellent sporting shot and a FITASC shooter, who all use skeet to hone your skills to perfection. There is nothing else better to work on crossers, over heads, going away birds etc, if you use MAINTAIN lead like Americans Skeet is its own sport and thats it, but if you like me and Brandon Powell use Swing through and Pull away you can master 90% of the game of sporting, trap and others.If you shoot olympic / international its autistic, robotic and elitist - you got ot do like 1000 carts a week to get ANYWHERE in that sport, but it's a barrier of entry to actually compete at the ISSF skeet, gun down delay 50mph birds. Air pistol is exciting, I like all shooting. I do 22 bench rest PRS
>>64409431Funny enough that was actually one of the ways I justified it to myself when I picked it up.
>>64329458>>64329382Goose loads will be nontox, you want turkey loads.
>>64369624Is it actually roller delayed or is it a blowback in a G3 looking body?
I got a Maverick 88 field/security combo today, fired it a bunch of times, and I'm ready to go to the range tomorrow to sight it in (or as much as you can w/ a shotgun). After that, I'm going squirrel and rabbit hunting w/ it.
>>64409992It's not about sighting with shotguns. It's about patterning and predicting those patterns are different ranges. If you have large cardboard boxes or pizza boxes and shoot those. What you want is oh this is the spread of 00 buck at 10m this is it at 25m. Now I know what it's going to do.
>>64410466Learning the width of patterns at different distances is important, but if you have easily adjustable sights, regardless of whether a point of aim will be included somewhere within a shot pattern, it's still ideal to sight in a shotgun as well. That could be to match a slug's point of impact, or to match the very center of the pattern at the intended range rather than just being somewhere within the pattern.
I call shotgun
>>64373940Why not go with the Smith and Wesson clone? Might be better manufactured too.
>>64369624It's only $400? Is this gun too good to be true?
>>64414459Yes, the magazines just don't feed well at all.
>>64414537Damn another detachable magazine fed shotgun that is unreliable. Are there any good ones at all?
>>64320422>M3TYou perceive the finer things, anon.
>>64334822>M1 with SurefireAnd you recognize elegance.
>>64414762Mossberg ones are good though it's $100 mags
>>64414796Im just spiritually stuck in 1997
>>64414762If you're into any AK patterned stuff, the offerings from JTS (Norinco) are good. I have the JTS M12 AK-T1 and have never had any issues. Adjust the gas properly and get the correct ammo and you'll be fine. Clean the cosmoline out of it before firing as well.
>>64320814I dont love you nigger
Are TOZ shotties any good?
>>64414537You know this from personal experience?
>>64369610Not really. Just vote for the right people and watch out for local elections. But you probably aren't
>>64415793Great movie and gun.
For my next shotgun, what should I get (that has interchangeable chokes)?
>>64419647Mossberg 500 comboNothing short barreled is cut for chokes so u need the longer barrel too.
>>64420197The combos are 50/50 if the long barrel comes with chokes or not. I know the Walmart combos never had removable chokes. You have to actually look at the model number.
>>64415793based
Aaking competitive trap shooters what they shoot>beretta dt11>blazer>ceasar gueriniMust be nice being loaded. Dunno how Im gonna convince my gf to let me spend 6k on a beretta 694.
how important is to have pistol grip for proper push-pull?
>>64330777Does mineral spirits do any good at stripping polyurethane?
>>64425505Mineral spirits won't strip anything. It thins & cleans up oil-based paint or varnish but once the paint cured it is useless. It won't affect polyurethane.
>>64425332It is not necessary.
>>64409365Nice, yours? Want one but I'm in the US, so...>>64425505Just use a cabinet scraper to remove the varnish and for the edges and tough spots that you can't reach with the scraper, use fine sandpaper CAREFULLY (around 220-300 grit). I recommend testing the scraper on some scraps of wood before using it on the stock as going "against the grain" can cause some damage/chip-out. Not quite the same tool in this diagram but you get the idea. Don't use a lot of pressure with either tool; don't force it. Once you have most of it off you can probably use acetone on a cotton ball to remove the last remnants of varnish. (cont.)
>>64425505However, you may be able to refinish it much more easily. On this rifle, all I did was use acetone and cotton balls to remove the old damaged varnish, then I wiped it down with thin layers of boiled linseed oil a couple times over the next few days (week?), and applied Spar Varnish (Minwax) a couple times in thin coats. Didn't even end up disturbing the stain as I used a light touch (light pressure) and was very careful. I don't think your shotgun will look like >>64328583 if you refinish it, though. You can get the stain/lacquer color better but the wood grain you have is the one you'll always have unless you buy new wood. Wood quality on rifles has gone down just like it has on furniture; we used to have lots of slow growing dense wood and it could be used on stocks and in furniture cheaply. Not really how it is anymore; Ruger has changed the wood used on the 10/22 like 5 times now since 1970-something.
>>64426950>>64426929Thanks for the knowledge, thankfully I will just stick with milsurp where the wood isn't plywood.
Are plastic m-lok forends like magpul secure enough to mount a light on? I fear they'll work loose under 12 gauge recoil.
Just loaded up on 20 gauge today
>>64427438YesIf you're still unsure, put some blue loctite on it
Eurofag here how good is Siaga-12 in real life has anyone fired on semi and automatic version of this shotgun?
>>64431092Nice gauge>>64431215Absolute POS not worthy of being called a shotgun
>>6432934320ga pellets have the same energy as 12, there are just less of them. They allow a lighter gun thats easier to carry and point in the field, especially a double barrel obviously. For American style shooting which is just larping at ranges I'd just get a 12 and use lighter loads to mimic a 20 if I wanted something a little softer
>>64426988>thankfully I will just stick with milsurp where the wood isn't plywood.Maybe this got lost in my wording but plywood is actually what some fancier gun stocks are made of and it's actually really dimensionally stable IIRC, lol ("laminated wood"). I'm talking about woodgrain direction, not the seams in plywood. I actually just came across a video, though again talking about planing instead of scraping, that may help you if you do decide to scrape. Not exceedingly important but I've for sure caught wood against the grain before and it sucks when you do.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6Jr4Py5rWEMark even shows how to re-sharpen the edge of a scraper and scrape a stock in this video (which I forgot existed until now), which also means you can make one if you have spring steel sheets laying around (can't think of anything that contains sheets off the top of my head, maybe certain kinds of worn out saws or maybe like hacksaw blades if you used the spine; would have to do research into what kind of steel they use.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NLQEmwAvo4PS: Kinda funny you say milsurp doesn't have plywood stocks as laminated AK furniture is very common assuming your definition of "milsurp" includes parts kits builds (or semi auto conversions for Euros). And Mosins have laminated stocks sometimes, lol. I'm sure there are more I'm blanking on here. Mausers?
>>64431215I've shot them and it cycled well, feels a bit clunky though.
>>64320173>>64379293I just bought my first shotgun, a maverick 88. Used for $200. It works, not much more I can say. I did notice when shooting that sometimes the slide(name? the pump part that you grab) wouldn't come all the way back to eject the shell after a shooting a slug so you'd have to make sure to manually pull it back the remaining few cm before pushing forward again to chamber another round, but I'm a shotgun novice - maybe it's not supposed to go back at all and my hold is just bad.
>>64396006NTA but thanks anon. that was a good read. I'll probably never do it.
Are the Dickinson XX3D ever coming back? Does anyone know if there is a Turk clone of the slam fire trench gun? Why are cheap turkey shotguns so appealing I want to get the lever action one.
>>64434370>Dickinson XX3DI saw a couple on Gunbroker earlier today.
Worth it?
>>64435129I have the marine one I wanted to get a parkerized one, but they seem to be out of stock and aren't coming back?
I've got my first shotgun and am a bit clueless what ammo to buy because it's so old.>12g 30" barrel single shot break action (extractor not ejector)>no idea on what kind of choke it has>manufactured sometime 1890s-1950s (best guess)I bought it as a project to try my hand at restoring to see if I like it as a hobby (no furniture, surface rust (but little/no pitting) screws and pins holding it together are damaged (need replacing), missing the stock bolt, missing front bead sight (has a hole right into the barrel)), still in-progress but I feel I should probably buy some shells to go with it.I just plan to use it for target shooting and maybe hunting (small game/deer/bird) if my brother invites me to go with him some time.I don't know if it's like regular rounds where a modern cartridge could overpressure old barrels so I need to get light loads or if I need "range ammo" and "regular ammo" from different brands or should get a specific kind of buck/birdshot that has more/less pellets than normal.
>>64414796Very sexy>>64414808Right after I got mine I found the first and only DSF forend for the M1/M2. But the old school ones are a nice vibe
Can you guys help me with this old Model 12? It’s having cycling issues. Instead of pulling back on the pump I have to push it forwards in order to get it to release and then I can cycle the action. What the fuck causes this?
>>64435140Yeah, it usually goes for $1 or $.95 a round, id snag it.
>>64435876If it's made after 1920ish id use modern ammo, im not gonna shot 1500 fps slugs all day, but modern birdshot should be fine.
>>64436273The Model 12 has an inertia lock, something about hangfires back in the early 1900s. Usually you unlock it after having fired a round and the inertia of the recoil cause your pumping hand to move forward a bit and jiggle the pump forward. This is a normal function of the gun.
>>64436356Any way to improve that forward inertia then?
>>64436360Break it down and clean/degrease it, look for any burrs and wear points and polish them down, oil properly, assemble and rack the fucking thing like 300 times over the next week. Should loosen up quite nice.
>>64436392Guess it goes on the list. Now onto the spring ejector for the 1200.
does anyone have recommendations for single shot shotgun?
>>64320173Best anti-drone defense that's never issued.
>>64437371It really depends on where you are located.If you're in the US then the most commonly found models will be NEF (New England Firearms)/ H&R. These are plain but solid. There are also Winchester 370 and 37s, which are rebranded Cooeys made in Canada. I'd rather have the NEF/H&R Another noteworthy model is the Greener GP. These aren't very common in the US but are easily found elsewhere, and they are excellent.
