why did iron fist APS never take off?
Originally it was not very good in US testing. Supposedly it has improved substantially now and from what I remember the US was looking into using it for Bradleys although that might not materialize. Trophy is a significantly easier system to get to work because it is essentially just a supersized shotgun instead of a missile that has to detonate at the precisely correct millisecond.
Because before Ukraine, it was only relevant in urban environment.
>>64323605if anything it was x20 times more relevant in open combat where you can get ATGM sniped from 10km away
>>64323568Friendly fire is a longstanding issue with APSs. Rheinmetall's ADS is arguably the least-bad but there's no real good close-range system.Iron Fist launches a large-grenade sized explosive into areas where your infantry are highly likely to be. Trophy at least confines the danger to a narrow fan of shot.
>>64323627this. No point in saving the tank if every time you do you wipe out a handful of nearby dismounts
Isn't the minimum range to get shot from like 500 yards?
>>64323627dont they turn off the merkava aps when friendlies are nearby
>>64323568it's 2 fucking tons and expensive as fuck
>>64323568That's Trophy, not Iron Fist
>>64323568I think they going to put Iron fist in the Eitan IFV
>>64323646If that's for the relatively low-collateral shotgun what reaction do you think the grenade launcher would get?
>>64323646That defeats the point of having APS since you shouldn't be using tanks in the first place if friendlies aren't nearby.
>Given the Army’s reservations about NDI APS and past DOD practices that some analysts have noted of seeking “perfect” technological solutions, Congress might examine the Army’s and Marines’ operational and safety requirements for NDI APS in relation to current APS offerings. Such an examination could help to determine if the Army and Marines are potentially “rushing” to the field a less-than-capable, risky APS based on pressure of a perceived threat or are, instead, waiting for a “perfect” solution in the future when the “70 to 80 percent” solution might be at hand. In this regard, it could be useful to characterize what a “70 to 80 percent” solution means in terms of vehicle and soldier survivability and what tradeoffs would be involved in adopting a NDI APS versus pursuing a longer-term effort
>>64323568Most countries are finding it hard to justify the cost of APS if they aren't at war. So for now, only a handful of countries are getting Trophy, and only for their tanks.Many others are getting vehicles that could take Iron Fist, but aren't putting Iron Fist on them yet.
>>64323648And it lacks any form of propulsion or lifting surface, no shit it can't take off with such horrible aeros and TWR
>>64324899doctrinally, nearby doesn't mean what you think it does you pants on head retard.
>>64324899APS friendly fire incidents havent proven to be a major factor in the fieldthe APS tends to fire a narrow cone in the direction of the attackwhile it could theoretically cause a friendly hit, its much less likely than allowing an explosive to impact the tank and create a hemisphere of fragmentation if the APS does trigger an RPG to go off, there really isnt a significantly increased danger from the warhead if it goes off on the tank or 10m from the tank
>>64325568i'd have to agree, i haven't seen a single report (at least on /k/) about soldiers injured by APS
>>64323568Because it was named after a lesser known Motorhead album. If they'd called it Ace of Spades or Overkill we'd probably all be using it. Hell, can you imagine the Orgasmatron APS?
>>64323627>Iron Fist launches a large-grenade sized explosive into areas where your infantry are highly likely to be.It has no shrapnel and blast falls of quick.
