I'm pretty sure the manufacturer still needs to pay the $200

>>64323767
Manufacturers dont have to pay $200. Thats partly what the SOT is for

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there was some sort of industry collusion going on. I mean why wouldn't they do that? It's not like China is able to realistically compete in the suppressor market.

>>64323783
America just doesn't believe in freedom

>>64323760
Probably, the reason they are so high end was because you needed to pay the $200 on top. There are probably guys gearing up right now to make simple baffle cans by the thousands waiting for the zero tax to go into effect. They still need to do all the legal compliance work though which is the main bottleneck after tooling.

It was never the $200 that was keeping people from buying cans, it was the registration and wait time. If someone says 200 was all that was keeping them from buying, they were never gonna actually buy a can in the first place. Prices will stay high because each piece of tube is serialized and registered with the government, and replacing that tube is just as much of a pain as it's been for the past few years. Cheap cans are a product of cheap materials that wear out quickly and are held to poor QC standards. It is far more preferable to manufacture a quality can that will last than to churn out disposable cans like they do in non-regulated countries. We won't see cheap cans until the registration goes away.

>>64323861
Joke's on you, I'm filling out 150,000 free form 1s and I'll never have to worry about paperwork again.

>PSA cans
I would not trust that shit

>>64323861
>it was never the $200
For many, it was. You have to consider it's not like buying $200 of ammo. It was literally just a tip to the feds on top of what already was akready an expensive accessory (your suppressor) for what was already probably an expensive toy (your gun) which it doesn't need it to operate.

>>64323760
>Are suppressors going to go down in price once the initial Jan 1st rush dies down.

Unlikely. Registration is still required, manufacturers will still have to deal with the normal bullshit. Wait times will increase..

>>64323884
Isn't the reason registration is so fast now because a few years ago a judge told the ATF that if they couldn't have them done in a month they need to be automatically approved?

>>64323783
China ha been generous

>>64323880
>on you, I'm filling out 150,000 free form 1s
Dassa lotta Form 1s. Bt, yes. Form 1 dat shizzel and order innardsoff Alibaba.

Once the tax is gone, how realistic is it that suppressors will be removed from the NFA? I have never really paid attention to can policy, but it seems like an easy way for the current admin to score points with gun owners at a time where their coalition is starting to fracture and they need some concrete wins, especially on stuff like 2A that are common focuses for single issues voters. Don't want to debate politics, really, just trying to forecast I guess. I have heard there are already lawsuits in the works for this purpose, but have no clue if the legal teams involved are competent, if the judges are favorable to 2A on principle or maybe favorable to it in order to bolster a policy win for the GOP, whether there is even a precedent for certain mechanisms being removed from the NFA, or if there is even a chance of this happening before the midterms (after which libs may try to pass legislation to lock in regulation on suppressors, possibly). Direction-brain yards do not respond. 2A legal scholars please educate me if you know anything.

As far as price goes, I do think they will stay high even without the tax because it's a limited market and they are specialty products. These firms may be able to make them cheap, but they don't sell that many because they aren't meant to be frequently replaced, most gun owners don't have too wide a variety of calibers, even when they do, they might not have many firearms that are threaded or in need of suppression, and all that's before considering how many people refuse to buy because they don't want to be databased. Guns are becoming more popular, which means suppressors are too, transitively, but by a smaller margin I'm sure (especially because, I think, guns are becoming more popular due to political tension, meaning newcomers are even LESS likely to want to be databased, but I digress).

TL;DR until buying them is easy and comfortable, sales won't be frequent enough to lower the price.

>>64323944
Excuse me I meant direction-brained TARDS*

>>64323883
>For many, it was.
Only for the poors who were making one more excuse for not wanting to go trough the hassle of paperwork and waiting.
>an expensive accessory
>$300-1500
>expensive
Unironically if this amount of money is considered "expensive" to you for an entirely optional hobby purchase, you shouldn't be spending it to begin with.
Poors complaining things are expensive when they are meant to be purchased with disposable income is peak financial illiteracy behavior.

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>What's up guise look what we have here from Springfield Armory it's the demon condom
2026 will be the cringe-iest, shill-iest year of tremendous magnitude. The annoyance will drive people away from the hobby in droves, that's how gay it's going to get.

>>64323989
>The annoyance will drive people away from the hobby in droves
good. the normies ruined the hobby.

>>64323884
This. Compliance costs money. You will see a rise in relatively cheaper high-quality cans though.

>>64323974
>disposable income
Is a stupid meme. What wealthy person do you know who espouses the idea of "disposable income"?
There is no such thing, if you don't have enough money to retire, you are poor, and even if you do, you should be saving for your children.
And again, when we're talking about a $200 tip that *literally* just gets pissed away into the wind, this is even more true.

they will go down in price and go down in quality quite a lot as companies will not be able to keep up their current levels of QC

>>64323974
It's clear you never had to actually break a sweat for your dollar

>>64324018
>Financial Illiteracy: The Post
>What wealthy person do you know who espouses the idea of "disposable income"?
All of the ones who are financially insulated and secure for their future.
>if you don't have enough money to retire, you are poor, and even if you do, you should be saving for your children.
This is going to be a surprise for you, but you can simultaneously save for both of these things and still generate disposable income.
It's called financial planning and I would highly suggest you look into it while you're under 30 and still working.
>>64324053
>If you don't break your back for dirt pay your whole life like my daddy and his daddy afore him, you ain't a real man!
Blue collar mentality is the most self-cucking crab bucket mentality, I swear.

>>64324100
>$200 is NOT a lot for a 99% automated government system to spend 30 seconds reviewing my electronic application. In fact, I would gladly pay double, the feds deserve it for processing our applications so quickly lately! What are you, poor? Why so financially illiterate?
This is embarrasing and you need to stop. That's assuming you aren't baiting, in which case, congratulations and enjoy the (you)s.

>>64323760
>Are suppressors going to go down in price once the initial Jan 1st rush dies down?
They are not going down in price until the NFA restrictions on them are gone (which is unlikely to happen). The manufacturers know they have a monopoly on those tubes.

>>64323783
Europe could since we already make quite a few but alas, your import laws

Sig suppressor will have the dopest marketing for an Indian product ever

>>64324153
>but alas, your import laws
are the dumbest thing ever. everything cool is banned.

Just make your own

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>>64323760
>Are suppressors going to go down in price
lol
lmao

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>>64323783
>some sort of industry collusion
Stop noticing things

>>64323974
>Unironically if this amount of money is considered "expensive" to you for an entirely optional hobby purchase, you shouldn't be spending it to begin with
There's an entire demographic with this mindset that companies like PSA cater to. It's the "BCM/Gayslee/DD is so spensive!!" crowd with 5 of the same shitrod AR in their closet. These people exist and don't buy suppressors to a large degree because of the stamp's cost.

>>64324260
How difficult is that?

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>>64324623
>$200 for a handmade knife? Bruh that's crazy.
>*owns 1543543215.43274 $10 gas station shitblades*

>>64323760
>Seriously, why WOULDN'T PSA or Ruger or any of the other sweatshop-tier manufacturers going to be cranking these things out by the truckload for $150 a pop?
PSA just started selling suppressors this year FYI. They're almost certainly going to hit the market hard on manufacturing. Any collusion or whatever will not apply, since it's their whole MO to bring as much gun to as many people as possible

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>>64323760
>Are suppressors going to go down in price once the initial Jan 1st rush dies down?
No, if anything demand will increase prices

eventually suppressor sales will crash because it won't be an exclusive club anymore.

>>64324748
>t. retard who thinks that college freshman level supply-demand charts apply to suppressors

>>64324759
>t. retard who thinks suppressors grow on trees

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>>64324766
You don't seem to understand just how easy and inexpensive it is to manufacture a suppressor.

>>64324780
>this.
If you're not making form 1 supressors after the first of the year, you're a brain dead retard.

>>64324780
Actually, would it be possible to just start buying these things and effectively drop shipping them, doing the paperwork to "manufacture a suppressor" from them (aka drilling a hole in the end cap, and adding a serial number)?

>>64323760
my God that gun is ugly

>>64324788
Technically yes but it would be difficult. ATF clamped down on even the approval of Form 1's with even a hint of parts not made with your personal lathe and knee mill. Sometimes guys get approved, sometimes they don't in both instances of owning most of the material beforehand and instances stating "I will not buy materials until this form is approved". Seems to be luck of the draw.

>>64323760
No if anything prices will go up by about $200. People were already buying suppressors even with the $200 tax so instead of letting the pay pigs save $200, let's just redirect it towards the companies.

What's going on? Adjusting to new job so I haven't been following news super close.

>>64325059
"Surely there won't be a single company out there to take advantage and undercut you on your piece of metal already being sold at a 800% margin. In fact this is so unlikely, you might as well just raise prices even more!"

>>64323760
Form 1 that shit.

>>64323944
I think it's extremely likely that we'll be seeing at least one, if not more, lawsuits brought forth by GOA, maybe NRA, and other smaller state level groups. The whole argument for the NFA being legal in light of the "no registration" clause of the GCA and reinforced in FOPA was it wasn't a registration of the item itself, it's a registration that the tax has been paid. If the tax is zero, there's no reason the continue with requiring confirmation of payment since cans are considered firearms under GCA and will still be subject to 4473 for all transfers. Precedent already exists in the form of the elimination of penalty under the AAC once it was lowered to 0, the clause is unenforceable and therefore effectively void. While Bruen said nothing about tax laws (which the NFA ultimately is) it's very clear on legislation that infringes on the 2A.

I can see a couple of issues arising though. Trump v Casa has made it so only members of a specific group can be granted relief via injunction, IE members of whoever gets a federal judge to agree. We have theoretically already seen this with the brace ruling before the ATF backed down. Additionally by altering the tax through reconciliation it's possible the dems could come in and just crank it to something wildly out of reach for the public (like adjusting it to inflation). On top of all that is that this would ultimately end up in front of SCOTUS but that could take years, and if the tax goes back up there goes the case. I'm rather surprised nobody has tried attacking the NFA through the same laws that prohibit things like poll taxes, but I'm not a constitutional lawyer.

Holy SHIT is this thread full of fucking doomer nocans retards.
>>64323760
>Are suppressors going to go down in price once the initial Jan 1st rush dies down?
Yes, you fucking idiot. WE ALREADY KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE'VE LITERALLY ALREADY SEEN IT IRL: chink """oil filters""" of a few years back before the gaytf suddenly decided Form 1 wasn't a thing. They worked fine, and you could get one for about $50-75. A pound or two of steel is so fucking cheap it's practically free, and working it into a basic baffle stack isn't rocket science either. The performance won't be as good as a nice well designed 3d printed one sure, but as with so many things in life you can get like 50-70% of the performance for like 10% the price.

The only reason there is no low-end in the American can market is that the government makes the minimum floor price $200. Like, even if the can is $0, the buyer still has to pay $200. If it's $50 they need to pay $250. So most people figure they might as well spend like $300-500 or more so that the tax "only" ends up being like 50% the cost instead of 400% the cost and squeeze out some extra performance, fancier warranty (because when stuff is costly you don't want to treat it as disposable), and other niceties.

Eforms already makes the form bullshit easy. Get rid of the tax and yes we will 100% have dirt cheap cans. There can't be any "collusion" because the market is too competitive, it's really easy to get into. A Type 7 and SOT and machining/assembly business can be set up right for a few tens of thousands of dollars per year not tens of millions of dollars per year.

>>64325028
See that's something to go before a judge about. It's not the job of the ATF to determine what materials are allowed to be used and how much work goes into it, it's the ATFs job to ensure compliance. If people are filling out the forms correctly the ATF doesn't get to say "no you used off the shelf components". It's like them denying form 1 SBRs when all you need to do is take the brace off and put a stock on, or swap to a different lower.

>>64325186
Also fwiw I'm sure there will still be high end $1k stuff, it's just that the overall market will become healthier and normal. It'll be like optics or whatever: there are plenty of crazy gucci ones to choose from because some people will cheerfully pay 3x for that last 10% (whether they have any real use for it or not). But it'll be a curve with most people doing fine with value stuff and some getting mid range and a few high. The only real remaining distortion is that eforms I believe is still not p2p, so used market will presumably remain stunted. But that'll matter less when the floor gets where it should be.

>>64325100
big beautiful bill reduced stamp for suppressors, sbrs etc cost to 0$ starting january 1st
you still have to do the fingerprint and such though.

>>64325156
> nobody has tried attacking the NFA through the same laws that prohibit things like poll taxes
It’s because it won’t work. There’s enough anti-gun (even if only slightly) judges that will put out the exact same reasoning of “it’s not a tax on your right, because it’s an accessory not a firearm. Unless it benefits us to say it’s a firearm and not an accessory” that upholds other bullshit laws, and not enough actually pro-gun judges that are willing to rock the boat and risk being the primary story on CNN about how they allowed people to buy totally silent assassin weapons.

Suppressors are literally 1909 technology (technically earlier like 1890s tech but Percy Maxim was the first guy to ever make/make a good one). The Wright Brothers first flew inn1903. Suppressed are not particularly hard to make items. The only thing suppressing (heh) market demand is 1. Registration, .$200 fee and state laws. Well congress is going to eliminate one of those suppressants.

Nobody besides industry players know the hypothetical developing manufacturing capacity of the big suppressor brands. SilencerCo could be in the process of ordering, installing and testing a stamping set up that can churn out 1,000,000 .22 cone battles per year and none us us would know

There will also undoubtedly be one or two new major manufacturers emerging from this shift in the market, increasing competition and thus smashing prices

>>64325263
Except full autos, SBRs, SBS, and almost all things that fall under AOW classification are firearms and are explicitly defined as such. Additionally the GCA specifically defined suppressors as firearms for purposes of transfer. Pretty much the only thing that might fall outside the "firearms" definition is DD, but considering the 2A does not specify firearms but "arms" in general and there's historical precedent of people outfitting warships and artillery pieces it certainly passes scrutiny under Bruen in favor of those being protected as well.
>liberal judges
Obviously you'd do this shit in St Benetiz' court, or someplace like TX. You wouldn't file this case in NYC or LA and expect to win.

>>64325293
> Except full autos, SBRs, SBS, and almost all things that fall under AOW classification are firearms and are explicitly defined as such
“No they’re not. Unless it helps our argument, then they are. Until it’s bad for us, in which case they’re not.”
t. Judges.

>>64325311
“Also, Bruen is a spook and doesn’t real”

>>64323974
If I didn't have to pay $200 per NFA item then I'd already have my next rifle with what I'd have saved and be on my way to buying parts for it; shit adds up quick. Whether or not it's a lot to some people is irrelevant when that $200 adds cost, as much or little as it is relative to you or some other anon.

>>64324318
Did Ruger discontinue the Silent-SR silencer? I noticed they discontinued their 10/22 TD integral barrel but the Silent-SR was a surprise to not be able to find on their site anymore.

>>64324742
Weird thing I just noticed, is his armpit hair photoshopped out? Wtf?

>>64324758
Anon, look at how long it's taken for AR-15 sales to maybe slow down. Okay now do the math for how many people bought ARs vs want a silencer for their 22s, their ARs (whether it makes sense or not), their hunting rifles, their handguns, their whatever the fuck. It's gonna take a long time, especially if everything goes threaded by default like a lot of Euro guns. Gunsmiths are going to be fucking swamped with threading work though.

>>64325688
>Whether or not it's a lot to some people is irrelevant when that $200 adds cost, as much or little as it is relative to you or some other anon.
For guys like that, paying 20-40% extra per suppressor is well worth it for the ability to feed their superiority complex.

>>64323760
I already have a suppressor, but I would rather pay 1400 dollars for a $1200 can can and not have to file with the ATF. I don't see how the fee would be the barrier for entry for people trying to get their first suppressor. $200 is a big grocery haul for most americans who can afford to be into guns.

No they're priced for the profit margins and will stay that way for quite awhile.
A lot of these companies are tiny and making very bespoke items.
If you actually wanted a supressor you'd probably have one by now...

>>64325688
Meh, most people wanted a cheap blaster ar to play around with. Now get them to drop a car payment+ on a can. Sure.... some of them will and you will see increased sales for a few years but there's no way that's sustained. When Paw Paw screws that can on his .22lr for the first time and sees his groups open up, that'll be the end of it.

>>64325747
I'll agree on the price of silencers being a bit of a barrier but when it comes to 22LR silencers, who knows what kind of prices we'll see. Absolutely disagree on "groups opening up" as that depends highly on several factors. Quality of your threading job, whether your silencer stays tight, concentricity of your silencer or threads, whether your silencer butts up against something it shouldn't (fucking Ruger factory iron sight threaded barrels and their overhanging front sight), etc. Didn't notice my groups "open up" at all at 50yds. In fact having a weight on the end of your barrel can improve groups depending on how it messes with barrel harmonics. Most guns you won't see much of a difference either way, probably.

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>>64324623
imagine if tactitards found out how expensive clay guns are kek, ARs attract subhuman poors (300blk is exempt) and I'm tired of pretending they don't.

>>64325780
they're too busy wanting to kill their neighbors desu, their brain couldn't handle shooting a moving object with *gasp* a shotgun and not a heckin gamer AR for le boog prep

>>64325780
Guns in general are an inexpensive hobby.
Almost everything you can get into for this sport is in the 4-5 figure range.
As someone who was into cars before getting into shooting, that's fucking dirt cheap, even full auto funs are fairly low in comparison.
>tfw showing up to a local meet or track day
>there are people who have pulled loans to buy a C series, RS, AMG, or 1/4 mil GT3
Kind of curious what shitboxes /k/ drives.
>2011 m2 rebuild here

>>64325246
So something that sadly doesn't affect me because I live in a state that hates freedom slightly more than the others and will not let me have NFA items even if I ask nicely.

You people need to get real for a second

If the NFA were repealed, the American people as they are today would overthrow their government within five years. Civilians (and i mean business owners, not random retards) being able to do things like form a private naval force and train an actual formidable militia, in this political climate, would prompt an immediate shift in the states' balance of power.

It will never happen. The NFA will be upheld to the point of political assassinations being used to uphold it. There will be some deregulation of suppressors, but they will remain closely monitored and it will always be a hassle to get one, and a total legal fuckup to use one for anything but hunting. because yes, they do want to discourage you from shooting people as much as they possibly can, because the government, believe it or not, is actually just a bunch of people. it would be a suicidal act even to allow machine guns. i mean an "elon musk backs states secession" tier geopolitical fuckup.

>>64325919
No, you need to get real anon. The NFA in zero way prevents any such thing, what prevents it is that 99% of the population have zero actual desire for civil war which is insanely shitty and destructive. Life in America is actually pretty decent overall by world standards if you aren't terminally online. Normal people hate anarchy and chaos.

I agree the NFA probably isn't going to be repealed entirely because while /k/ sometimes loves to pretend machine guns or grenade launchers or the like aren't any more effective then regular rifles they are, and mass shootings concern people enough already. There's no public appetite to see what happens when any random whackjob can get an LMG off the shelf instead.

But I don't think getting SBRs and suppressors off the NFA is an impossible goal either. They're in a totally different category, and suppressors are just important safety devices.

>>64325919
>If the NFA were repealed, the American people as they are today would overthrow their government within five years.
NTA, but Anon, making a rifle's barrel 4 inches shorter and more hearing safe isn't going to cause the government to be overthrown. Take your meds.

>>64325919
Aight, I’ll bite.

Why, exactly, do you think repealing the NFA would lead to civil war? Show your work or I’ll be forced to mark it as a zero

>>64325966
Yeah, a belt fed fully auto weapon that could be mounted on a truck genuinely WOULD make mass shootings so fucking different, but suppressors are really just seen as in the same ballpark of dangerous because dumbfuck liberals think they make guns capable of effortlessly and silently erasing people with no trace or recourse.

>>64323974
how much is your SSI check every month?

>>64324100
we get youre poor, and the end of the month is a trying time when you have nothing left of your SSI check and you cant sell anymore pills.

we know you get a check on the 5th like a puerto rican and you sleep in a roach motel apartment with a murphy bed cocksucka.

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It's all clown ass shit because someone with a lathe or a set of plumbing parts can make one in an afternoon.
It's trivial
Gun "control" isn't even up for debate
Forging aluminum in a workshop with off the shelf parts isn't a stretch of the imagination at all.
It's not even a debate worth having, and someone ITT has found themselves in the wrong place quite frankly.

>>64325892
I browse computer hardware deals a lot more than gun deals and I laugh so much how everyone's always like: To replace my current decent graphics card with a new graphics card to run new games on high settings costs $700!? Those bastards will never have my business again, I'm quitting PC gaming forever, death to capitalism, I'm logging off to kill myself now!
I can only understand by remembering that statistically almost everyone lives paycheck by paycheck and will retire in debt and starve without social security because people are literally too stupid to have money even when they should have money. Whatever hobby they choose is one tier above whatever they can actually afford, and spending 2% of what they made last year on their main hobby equals an argument with their SO and an overdraft fee and then they do it anyway.
inb4 disclaimer: not talking about how prices could or should be lowered, talking money management for people in the embarrassing situation of being unable to invent what prices are.

>>64324153
B&T sells their designs here, just made in the US
Probably one of the few Euro companies with an expensive enough product to justify it though

>>64325778
Most "gun owners" want to keep their total spend for a rifle setup under $500, non enthusiasts are ridiculously cheap, just like with every other hobby

>>64326397
>To replace my current decent graphics card with a new graphics card to run new games on high settings costs $700!? Those bastards will never have my business again, I'm quitting PC gaming forever, death to capitalism, I'm logging off to kill myself now!
To be fair to them, that's because this year's $700 gpu is 5% better than last year's $600 gpu (which you can't buy because the company stopped production and millenials with their tax refund vacuumed up everything to scalp)

>>64325780
those hands are a bit manly there

>>64325917
perhaps you should think about whether your state deserves your tax dollars. You always have the freedom to leave.

I want a 8.6 blackout SBR with a fat suppressor

>>64326435
I agree there's not staggering value in new computer hardware generations lately. Be it greed, moore's law, duopoly, AI sucking the effort away, any reason.
But a Brazillian-tier budget can still buy a card that will play 99% of good games ever made on reasonable settings, so the way people express their rage like pc hardware is over and dead and unaffordable seems funny in the context of hearing the same shit about 5 figure automatics.

>>64326512
>Brazilian tier budget
>Just spend like 10k on le vidya bro
grow the fuck up

>>64325892
>Waow why do people spend money on good cars they must be poor
>2011
kys brokie

>>64323760
Why not make an overbuilt plastic suppressor that weighs like 2 pounds and is built like a tank and will stand full auto out of anything short of a .308 and charge $199 for it? It's $2.50 worth of plastic on a mold that will pay for itself over a period of a year.

>>64326868
Because an incredibly simple k baffle suppressor, or something even as simple as a stack of spacers and washers will perform better, be cheap as fuck, and last indefinitely.

>>64327067
Make the housing and fill it with washers from the hardware store. $199 out the door.

>>64325311
You're absolutely correct, we shouldn't waste our time forcing the feds to have cases keep getting kicked up to SCOTUS until they're forced to deal with it. We should just accept that some judges only respect the constitution when it suits them and never challenge anything ever.

>>64325919
>11.5" PSA with brace and FRT: Perfectly fine
>11.5" PSA with stock and full auto: ABSOLUTE ANARCHY WITHIN 5 YEARS
Is it legal to be this retarded?

>>64325741
>If you actually wanted a supressor you'd probably have one by now
This may come as a surprise to you, on account of you being fucking stupid, but there are people out their that are younger than you. For most people, a suppressor is not the first thing they buy when they get into the hobby. That means there are people who are just now getting into guns, or haven't been in the hobby for long now that don't yet have suppressors. And, this may also shock you, but people other than yourself have successfully bred, so there are young people who are interested in guns, but not yet old enough to start collecting them, and certainly don't have suppressors yet.

>>64327102
You sound like you're upset. Maybe you should speak to a counselor about your anger issues.

>>64327102
>REEEE I PLANNED MY LIFE POORLY AND IT'S YOUR FAULT
>REEEE I WANT A SUPPRESSOR
Just sounds like you're a deadbeat dad that spends his money selfishly on his hobbies instead of taking care of his family, Anon.
That's nothing to be proud of.

Are people actually defending a $200 tip to the federal government as okay financially?
Let alone finance, what level of bending the knee to unconstitutional laws and agencies would this even be called?

>>64327595
>what level of bending the knee to unconstitutional laws and agencies would this even be called?
Wait until you hear about federal income tax, state income tax, payroll tax, property tax, sales tax, and capital gains tax.
>but noooo not my le heckin suppressorinos!
$200 is probably the cheapest tax you'll pay, but don't tell the 17-22 year olds on /k/ that.

>>64327702
kek this, wait till they see how much they take out of literally everything you buy in a year. $200 is a nothingburger, and if you're suppressing a gun you already had enough disposable income to afford a gun worth suppressing in the first place

Is there any reason to be dubious of NFA databasing at a time where the government openly tells everyone that they will use Palantir to deep dive your shit, after like two decades of them using the NSA to do it anyways?

>>64327444
>>64327542
>>64327702
>spending more for less is le good
You sound like a middle class person larping as a rich person. Most well off got that way by absolutely caring about value, and still do. And suppressors should be for everyone just like guns and earpro, cheap standard option accessories to protect people's hearing, their hunting dogs' hearing, be polite to neighbors and so on. Trying to gatekeep this stuff is the height of faggotry.

You've been a regular seething in /k/ NFA threads for awhile now though, it's quite recognizable. I wonder if you even actually own anything nice, but it doesn't matter. That some of us have gotten enough into the hobby to have some nice kit doesn't make us any better or mean it's a bad thing when value options are 90% as good. The more people into guns the better for all of America.

>>64327803
No. If you believe the government that they're following the rules on this stuff, then it doesn't matter because there are rules around any use of it and retaining. If you don't believe that then it still doesn't matter because most of us are paying for guns/ammo/etc with electronic methods, lots of people post pictures of their stuff, and other not-even-a-handwave-at-opsec stuff which means it can all be mined anyway and probably already is by advertisers.

And frankly, the best defense most basic defense is simple: have more people do it, loud and proud. Like, maybe the government has a database of all gun owners, but in America that's like 100 million fucking people. Like, what are they even going to do about that? There comes a point where practice/politics/economics trumps everything else. Government can feasibly oppress a niche 1% of the population. It's pretty fucking hard to really go after a broad well off 30-40% of the population. The goal should be to have suppressor ownership be basically about the same rate as gun ownership. If nearly everyone is on a list, the list no longer has any value.

>>64327834
>t.plebeian communist

>>64327866
nice try glownigger, kys

>>64327702
>$200 is probably the cheapest tax you'll pay
That covers two years of property tax for me and many, many people in this country.

>>64327803
>Is there any reason to be dubious of NFA databasing
>has a certificate of live birth
>has a SSN/TIN
>files a 1040/1099 every year
>has a state issued ID
>registers a vehicle every year
>has filled out a 4473
>has purchased anything firearm related with a debit/credit card
>browses /k/ with anything less than 7 proxies
You are already in the database, we all are.
Might as well just buy the can and have what you want since you've already been fed-doxxed anyways.
>>64327834
>blah blah blah
>projection
>will still be nocans in January
>will find a new excuse for being nocans after January

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>>64323760
desu I'm just going to wait until someone makes a new integrally suppressed pistol like the maxim 9 so I can larp as an ODST

>>64327895
>>64327960
>instantly starts seething at the truth
Yikes. I have some reasonably nice suppressed guns and accessories at this point but it doesn't make me the slightest bit better then someone younger just getting into it with the most basic decent value stuff they can find. It's honestly kinda sad if you make material possessions that central to your own self worth anons. Be happy at the enthusiasm and joy somebody gets out of their perfectly solid $1200 all-in Tikka and Athlon or the like setup, not a downer "oh my accuracy international and atacr mogs u" jerk.

>>64327960
>Makes 8 assumptions
>Is only right about 4
But even so I think with the current surveillance state where it is, and only getting more pervasive every year, I have already been fed-doxxed or will be whenever they please. I have never bought anything NFA, never cared to, and don't understand why it would be different or create more exposure than being photographed in public, or using a GPS, at this point.

>>64328003
>I have some reasonably nice suppressed guns
Feel free to timestamp them.
>He won't
lmao.

>>64327987
I love that gun and yeah I really hope to see integrals make a return if the market improves. Purely practically too, I'd really like to see a integral 380 that was truly compact and CC friendly, Maxim sound performance but 3" shorter.

>>64328003
poors don't deserve guns and I'm tired of pretending otherwise, they should cost $10k minimum and I'm tired of pretending they shouldn't

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>>64328029
sounds... implessive! but seriously a modernized slimmed down version of picrel would be kino, even if it would be g19 sized I'd still take it over a regular compact because it won't give you the EEE for the rest of your life

>>64328024
Sure, was planning to go shooting end of today and I have my normal carry so I can post something during lunch. Gimme 20-30 min. But I love seeing anything any /k/ommando has put together and likes using not just nicer stuff, and I can't understand why anyone else wouldn't feel the same. Everyone has to start somewhere and has their own circumstances, what unites is a shared love of the sport/hobby/practicals and sheer awesome of these tools.

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>>64328067
the PB is closer doe, just make it a double stack like a p365 and make the can shorter

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>>64328067
>type 67 pistol
>those numbers
most implessive, I want one because of yakuza 0

>>64328067
>sounds... implessive
I don't get the reference here? But yeah I was thinking G19ish length, G19 is like 7.25" oal. M9 is about 10.75" oal in normal config (same 4" barrel as G19), and maybe 3-4" of that length is can (obviously it's fatter on the bottom). A decent pretty compact 380 like Keltec's P3AT, which is pleasant enough to shoot given the size constraint, can be done for 5-5.5" long. Given how much less gas 380 produces I bet 2-2.5" of modern 3D asymmetric suppressor would be enough to get it down below 140, probably without needing any wipe stuff. That'd add up to around G19 length.

Doesn't mean anyone will ever make it of course or that there'd be enough demand, but on a napkin doesn't feel like it's an impossible ask either?

>>64328137
The chinks did something similar to that, full size and in a proprietary 32 cartridge though
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_67_(silenced_pistol)

>>64328186
Oh, huh, neat, I see now thanks anon that's cool to learn about. I didn't even realize your thumbnail showed a suppressed gun lol. Though on the non-proprietary side, 32acp can definitely make for a tiny gun but honestly feels like it's getting a little too weak, and I'm not normally one to care about that in handgun cartridges either. I'm happy with 38 on up. Ultimately though I just hope for some action at all in that space. Or even SiCo bringing the M9 back to product with those gen 3 trigger improvements and other enhancements, maybe even an update to the suppressor. If getting rid of the $200 tax and a rush of low end cans cuts into their profit margins on fancy cans maybe that'd be another little push to go up the value chain a bit too? Hadn't thought of that before.

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>>64328024
>Feel free to timestamp them.
Here you go anon.

>>64328398
Added to the database. We appreciate your participation. Do you have any more? Serial numbers would be nice as well, but they're not absolutely necessary.

>>64328412
oh shit you're a yuro that explains it

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>>64328398
I put that can on my 300.
Way over built for a 300 AR but I heard it was the quietest 30 cal can.
Need a 5.56 K supressor next

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>ctrl + f "economy of scale"
>0 results
Thread full of retards

>>64328532
>appeal to wordswordswords

>>64328478
>>64328478
What silencer is it?

>>64328537
CGS Hyperion.

>>64326429
B&T rifle suppressors are outdated overpriced crap but they've got the market cornered when it comes to pistol suppressors

>>64328478
Nice, though yeah kinda heavy and big for that role. I'm shooting 300wm.
>but I heard it was the quietest 30 cal can.
At the time it was, though I think it's been surpassed now by a few newer ones. The bigger issue though is that it's very high BP, not the highest ever but damn high. On a bolt that's completely irrelevant, but on gas guns it's a real consideration. I can see how it'd be fine for 300bo in something like that as well but for 308 you almost 100% need an AGB and will still probably have some gasface. I'd use a flowthrough for that if buying today.

>>64328532
Silly pseudo-brain. There's no special appeal to economies of scale needed because a basic suppressor is just a steel tube with funny thick steel washers. All the economy of scale anyone could ever want already exists to machine something that easy on demand at any conceivable volume. Again, see the chinese "oil filters" we already had. Without the NFA stuff like that will flood the market, and even 100% tariffs on a $40 item are far less than the tax. Of course it'll be buyer-beware, probably no recourse in case of bafflestrike or whatever but for 5-10x less plenty of people wouldn't mind.

>>64328412
>added to the database of... people that have already been added to the database of registered suppressor owners
Man, the feds really got him, huh? He slipped through their fingers the first time he sent them prints, cheek swab and semen sample the first time he legally purchased a suppressor and was added to the registry, but they got him this time!

>>64323830
This, Unironically.

>>64325780
>>64325795
Is this bait
What spawned such odd comments?

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>>64328963
Found the boogtard kek

>>64328963
There's some noguns schizo shitting up the board you can tell from his posting style

>>64329171
Samefagging again Mr schizo? Typical larper kek

>>64323760
whats going on with suppressors? did the atf quit being fags about them?

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>>64328963
Dunno if it's an attempt at ironic fuddery, actual fuddery or noguns yuroism or just mental illness but some sort of rant about "poors" and such has been a recurring theme in NFA threads for awhile for whatever reason. It's always similar and the anon never actually posts guns, and always via the pattern of first claiming nobody saying value builds are fine has nice stuff, then when somebody posts theirs he immediately cries about MUH DATABASES. Just part of the nu/k/ experience I guess.

>>64328819
Yeah I also bought that particular can with a credit card online with no vpn via silencershop, and of course there is the standard 4473 for the rifle itself too, and each went through different FFLs, so that's probably at least 2 public and 5 private databases before all the typical trackers embedded which means it's in like 2 million databases.

>>64329413
>whats going on with suppressors?
1. Buying a suppressor from an FFL is now electronic, including photos and fingerprints. This takes a lot of the annoyance and effort out of purchasing after initial setup, and enables more speed.
2. ATF fixed the stupid FIFO queue blocking.
3. Combined this has meant approval times for most people have dropped from like 8-14 months down to a few days, even same day sometimes.
4. Finally as part of the OBB Congress zero'd out the $200 stamp tax starting January 1st of next year.

So you while you do still need to go through the F4 process to buy one there will be zero tax on your rights anymore, which is really going to normalize the market in a way it has never been in any of our lifetimes. There will be $50-100 cans available like in Europe, which will completely change the usage. And that also has long term implications: if enough people start using them and there's no more boogieman it'll start to become political, like, "why do we even still have this F4 shit for a basic safety device?" Which means the HPA might pass on the 3rd time around, and remove suppressors from regulation for good. A real positive sea change.

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>>64329433
finally, some good news

>>64325780
>you don't need an evil black rifle, sonny, all I shoot is an over/under at my country club, where I wear an orange vest and an Elmer fudd hat like a faggot
You must be European. In the US, nobody cares about u/os except for 75 year olds. Even my fucking grandpa has an ar and a glock 19.

>>64329473
NTA - trap shooting is quite popular in the US but you would need to leave the trailer park once in a while to know that.

>>64329489
>t-totally a d-different person
at least post the fancy suppressed o/u you use for trap shooting

>>64329513
You sound jealous. It's ok if you fell short with your life, anon. You don't need to shit your pants about it.

>>64329532
lol@being this assblasted and seething

>>64327909
Except >>64327866 is correct. Look at what happened with the brace shit. The ATF suddenly walked back almost twenty years of saying it's OK because people were using it to skirt SBR regulations. But it's fine, you can get a free stamp if you send in a form 1 for your totally not an SBR by the language we were using last week but have now arbitrarily changed. What happened? About 25-30k form 1s, out of a lowball estimate of a couple MILLION braces sold, with the high end being 10-15M. Part of the reason they backed down in court so quickly is because even those retards realized they'd never be able to enforce that bit of regulation and running it higher meant risking a showdown with SCOTUS.

>>64329433
> This takes a lot of the annoyance and effort out of purchasing
You forgot that it also opens the possibility of silencers being delivered to your door through Capital Armory.

Which is a minor benefit in the grand scheme of things, but is really fucking nice.

>>64329489
How sheltered are you? Rednecks fucking love skeet shooting, they just dont dress up like faggots and exclusively use O/Us. I have property, a cheapo clay pigeon thrower from midway, and an 870, why wouldn't I do it?

>>64329946
You can get a Stoeger Condor for less than 500 bucks and there's not much better fun to be had than running a case of shells and a case of clays through a sporting course with a friend.

>>64329727
Yeah I did forget that, though in part because after looking into it I didn't really feel like it mattered much to me. I think the value depends a lot on what your local FFLs are like and how close, plus what kind deals and stock exist. I can see it being a major advantage though in some cases so definitely nice to have exist.

I wonder a bit though if the new improved regime might actually make life a little more difficult for the big central online players? Some of their value add is obsolete and the downsides show up a lot more in a world of very rapid approvals and cheap cans. Like, 3-7 business day shipping is perfectly irrelevant with months of wait, but actually becomes a significant part of the time when approval is a few days. Will be interesting to see how all that will evolve, and how manufacturers used to fat margins will react.

>>64328024
>>>I have some reasonably nice suppressed guns
>>Feel free to timestamp them.
>>>He won't
>>lmao.
>talks buncha shit about how le rich he is
>his le rich guns he totally has makes him so much better than da plebs
>anyone who disagrees must have peasant guns
>gets reply
>10 hours later
>noguns
>vanishes
many such cases

>>64329592
@grok is this an example of projection?

>>64330937
ai can do ur "thinking" for u but cannot give u guns or cans very sad

>>64323760
>Are suppressors going to go down in price once the initial Jan 1st rush dies down
Honestly would be kind of surprised if there aren't dirt cheap cans ready day 2 (maybe not day 1 since it's a holiday).
>I am so sick of metal tube manufacturers charging ludicrous amounts of money for metal tubes, knowing they can get away with it because of government regulations
I don't think you have the dynamics of this right but the outcome is the same yeah.

>>64327960
>>64328024
>now been more than 24 hours
>still noguns
100% positive you will be back in future threads so let the record (desuarchive) show how quickly you evaporated.

>>64323881
It's a metal tube with baffles.

>>64327595
It's not okay. It's also not a meaningful barrier to entry any more than sales tax and shipping expenses are barriers to entry.

>>64334943
In his defense, existing suppressor manufacturers have in fact managed to fuck that up, despite it seeming so simple. See dead air's sierra 5 for a recent example.

>>64335144
>It's also not a meaningful barrier to entry any more than sales tax and shipping expenses are barriers to entry.
Sales tax and shipping expenses are not typically hundreds of percent anon. It's absolutely a very meaningful barrier to entry to have a can cost $500 instead of $50. You can buy entire guns for less then a can.

>>64323861
a pipe with external threaded end caps and stack of [ shaped steel bottlecaps would last forever and cost $20. Know what you can't sell $20 of pipe for?
>$220

The baby's first engineering project of using the same solidworks fluid sim module an anon used for the 3D printed dick and balls suppressor to find out what common pipe diameter and baffle spacing works best for that $20 is a few hours of dicking around at most. Why has no one bothered to put in the work is the tax stamp. Anyone formerly who has made a black pipe suppressor went by rule of good enough while breaking the law.

the only reason why suppressors cost hundreds now is to justify the tax stamp; machining a tube out of a billet or using the terrible heat tolerance of titanium to make a cyclically heated component is retarded and expensive, but being expensive means being able to charge materials cost*wholesale markup*retail markup=$900+tax+tip instead of $20 tripled to 60.

>>64335215
>the only reason why suppressors cost hundreds now is to justify the tax stamp
I wouldn't go quite that far, in two ways. Most fundamentally, and just like with anything in guns from optics to WMLs to handguards, there will always be some people willing to pay 5x the price for 20% more. Even if suppressors were removed from the NFA entirely like they should be I'm sure there'd still be a mid and high end to market with those willing to pay $1000 to get a few decibels better suppression at an ounce or two lighter or something then what a $50 can would offer. But it'd no longer be this government distorted fucked up market we've had to live in.

Second though is a huge floor flat tax causes a lot of recursive downstream price increases. Like when something takes a huge amount of time and costs a lot, you probably aren't going to want to treat it as a disposable, you want it to last forever and get repaired even if it's your fault. So suppressor companies people like tend to offer gold plated warranties. But that's fucking expensive to do. And more expense then justifies even more expense. Companies have come up with various ways to hack around the NFA's bullshit, like for 3D printed cans having the serial number basically be on a shroud so that the core can be replaced while technically not being a new can and triggering a new Form 4. Added complexity and cost purely to deal with tax and old world pita.

All that going in reverse is something I'm really looking forward to. I don't mind a "30 days, manufacturer defect only" warranty on a $50 item I can get a replacement for in a few days, if it gets fucked up after a few years who cares. But I don't blame the market for reacting the way it did to how bad shit was.

>>64335215
It's almost
https://aimsport.se/en/product-category/silencers/
Like you
https://zarimex.eu/en/products/manufacturer/stalon-sweden#mm-51
Keep getting
https://www.aawee.fi/en/b/silent-steel/SIL/
Proven wrong
https://www.ruoto.com/hunting/gun-and-shooting-accessories/silencers/c/6285/
Again
https://www.zelenysport.cz/en/silencers/?vstoupit
And again
https://norarm.com/productcategory/a-tec-suppressors/
And again
https://zarimex.eu/en/products/manufacturer/hausken/fltr/price,199,676/stock_status,5?sort=p.price&order=DESC#mm-51

All in markets where there's far less hoops to jump through. People will pay to not have some cobbled together black iron paperweight hanging off the end of their gun. If you want to fine, go right ahead. There's overwhelming market evidence that you're not only wrong, you're being deliberately stupid.

>>64323767
Form 2 registration is tax exempt.

>>64335568
>All in markets where there's far less hoops to jump through.
nta but euro market has massive amounts of hoops to jump through it's just that the hoops involve getting a gun at all:
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
EU is a dramatically smaller and more self selected market. You can't just suddenly decide you feel like buying some $400 rifle, wander in off the street to the nearest shop then walk out a bit later with a gun and ammo. That warps the market just as the NFA warps the market.

It's fine to look at foreign markets as one reference sure, but you're ignoring the point of reference we have in America already: the "oil filter" boom that was going on for awhile until the ATF cracked down on it. Also the 3D printer ones. $50 beaters imported from china or $20 printed ones would clearly be a popular choice for cheap guns if people were given the choice.

Fucking democrat run states will push to ban all suppressors in 2026 mark my words.

>>64335641
no way, vermont legalized them less then a decade ago. legal in 42 out of 50 states direction has been one way only

>>64335626
We're not talking about buying a gun, we're talking about the notion that removing NFA restrictions will magically make supressors stop costing hundreds of dollars.
>well these cheap chinese "totally not a supressor we promise ATF"
Were big because people thought they were getting one over on the feds. It's the same shit as flooding Aliexpress with glock switches, it either helps destabilize the US by increasing social tension, or helps create a bunch of people suddenly facing felony charges by flaunting the law. They were also worse by all standards.

If anything the fact that there continues to be nice supressors in a place like the EU where it can be much harder to get a gun indicates the market will continue to exist. If anything demand for high end cans will go up. I'm not saying there won't be a flood of bottom of the barrel cans, there absolutely will be, but arguing it will put the people that have made it in the current market out of business is nuts. If anything they have cans developed ready to enter mass production for just such an event. It's like trying to argue that because Hipoints and Heritage exist it's going to drive the price of other guns through the floor and anyone who doesn't price their stuff accordingly will fold. People, especially people invested in a hobby, will pay good money for nice things even if a cheaper option that's 75% as effective exists. Look at golf clubs, or weight lifting gear, or musical instruments, or home audio setups. People will buy nice things with or without any legal restrictions to entry, because nice things that work well are more enjoyable to own than cheap things that don't. Believe me, if I could walk out the door and buy a hearing safe $100 .22 can as easy as I could a pair of earplugs I'd walk out of the store with five, but I'd still spend 6-800 on a good 9mm can because I'd be putting it on a nice gun.

>>64325919
This guy believes more gun laws = less crime lol

See, I'm happy that the tax is getting dropped to $0, but I am also worried that the next time Dems take power, they're gonna pass another budget bill that raises the tax to something well beyond $200 as a big fuck you to gun enthusiasts. There's nothing stopping them from doing that if they take back Congress in Midterms, and Trump doesn't care about guns and NFA stuff is still pretty niche so if the rest of the bill was alright with him, he would still sign it. But even if we get lucky and that doesn't happen at midterms, it almost certsinly will happen sometime in the next 10 years. The way I see it, our only recourse is to legally challenge NFA regulation on stuff like suppressors and SBRs under the common use doctrine, but we all know the courts are notoriously flimsy when it comes to guns.

>>64335626
>EU is a dramatically smaller and more self selected market. You can't just suddenly decide you feel like buying some $400 rifle, wander in off the street to the nearest shop then walk out a bit later with a gun and ammo.
In Austria you literally can
It's not that hard in several other countries, the thing is that you need to understand that hunting is common and lots of Euro (and even UK) hunters readily use suppressors on their bolt actions. It's not a chiefly tacticool market like the US. It's a misunderstanding often repeated that Europeans make alu suppressors because they're cheap, in reality it's because the market is mostly hunters and they don't want to lug some 2lb monstrosity around for maximum decibel reduction, they just need to avoid EEEE when they take the shot

>>64335780
>We're not talking about buying a gun, we're talking about the notion that removing NFA restrictions will magically make supressors stop costing hundreds of dollars.
lol holy shit, wtf is magic about it? The NFA right now literally makes suppressors cost hundreds of dollars, because it sets a floor price of $200 even if the can was free.
>it either helps destabilize the US by increasing social tension
Oh, you're not American, you're that same noguns shitposter who got btfo earlier.
>>64336017
>Austria
>Registered firearms: 837,000
>Unregistered: 1,740,000
>America
>Registered firearms: 300,073,743
>Unregistered: 392,273,257
Seems a little different in market size anon.

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>>64335853
Trump will veto any legislation put out by a legislature that isn't doing exactly what he tells it to. Prepare for another round of "The government fails to govern" just like every other time in the past twenty years one party hasn't controlled both houses and the executive.
>>64336471
Your turn.

>>64335672
Colorado will be first. I don’t want it to be so but I’m afraid it is.

>>64335853
>See, I'm happy that the tax is getting dropped to $0, but I am also worried that the next time Dems take power, they're gonna pass another budget bill that raises the tax to something well beyond $200 as a big fuck you to gun enthusiasts
Don't be silly.
1) The dems could have done that at any time in the last 90 years. It's never happened, because it's not a thing with political support.
2) Like the repubs, the dems can't afford to lose even one single vote most of the time. Are there some radical weirdos who might push it? Sure. But there are dems from gun friendly states and they're going to need more of them to win. And again, suppressors are legal in 42 out of 50 states, which obviously includes lots of blue ones. This isn't some 50/50 thing.
3) Which leads to the basics of again, there just isn't support for it and there will be less the more people own them. The hollywood meme shit about them making a gun unnoticeable in a crowded train station will vanish when people realize that yeah, 120-145dB is quietER for sure then 150-175dB, but still really fucking loud. It's a "monster under the bed" situation, which self-persists while it works but collapses as soon as somebody shines a light under there. There's just no meat on those bones. Suppressors simply aren't any sort of threat.

It's never getting undone.

>>64336519
>Your turn.
Already did two days ago with no guns in reply >>64328398, so glad you're at least not that other anon. Though come on, posting such things in a suppressor thread and not posting something suppressed?

>>64336471
I do think the cheapest American cans are going to be cheaper because cost of labour & Americans are strangely enamoured with literal oil filters
European makers like SAK make el cheapo cans too, but they're less popular due to weight

>>64336870
I'll admit the stamp itself is the big deal for me, on the principle that I refuse to pay the government for permission to exercise my rights. With it going to 0 I'll probably pick a couple up, but aside from the M9 and a couple 22s my tastes run more towards big bore revolvers and they're not terribly suppressor friendly. I have no doubt we'll be seeing cheap cans hit the market, but I disagree that the stamp fee was an artificial price floor on them. The difficulty of acquiring them created demand for robust products ensured that anything succesful on the market was expensive because well machined, relatively lightweight, effective cans are just not cheap. Even the cheapest .22 stuff I linked tends to run in the $90-100 range, and I specifically selected a range of countries with varying levels of control to indicate the market conditions are stabilized around those ranges. People just don't want to buy mystery meat, and if they do they often regret it. Depending on how much bullshit the ATF throws up on form 1s going forward will also have an effect on how many people are willing to DIY.

>>64336977
>because well machined, relatively lightweight, effective cans are just not cheap
They'll at least not be $1000 expensive
The only Euro maker with prices that bad is B&T and they're all Jew and no substance

>>64336977
>on the principle that I refuse to pay the government for permission to exercise my rights
Fair enough, and I won't judge a man for picking and sticking to a moral stance, but I can't be that absolute myself. Like, I own guns and eat food, despite living in a state with sales tax and guns needing a 4473. I vote every election despite there being taxes on cars and fuel. I guess I kinda weigh the harm vs value, and for me suppressors are pretty important safety and politeness (I shoot mostly on my own land or public land, and have a neighbor who's only a 1/3 mile away, don't want to bother them if it's late). I mind restrictions on usage more then neutral "we tax this" I guess. I think the suppressors and SBRs being subject to a sin tax is wrong on both of the two sin tax axis, but I think long term it's better if people exercise their rights anyway and build political support. That's a subjective question of strategy though, not claiming at all my answer should be yours.

>but I disagree that the stamp fee was an artificial price floor on them
Here though I guess we're in firm disagreement. The ultimate principle of mass manufacturing is that cost approaches material cost given enough volume as fixed capital tooling gets amortized over an ever larger base. The material cost of a suppressor is maybe $1-10 (bottom of that for steel, more towards the top for titanium), and this is true regardless of how it's produced or shaped. The kind of precision needed for a decent enough can is truly zero challenge for modern mass manufacturing. So the question is how you get to "mass" and fuzzy human bits around things like warranties and such. The $200 artificial price floor (and dude, it's objectively, absolutely a price floor, by definition the user cost cannot be cheaper even if the can is $0) pushes on a lot of market levers.

>>64335780
>Tell me how I'm wrong about economics and none of that "the Chinese literally sold $20 cans as airsoft parts" I want a real answer!

When PSA makes a $70 suppressor and $50 booster, knowing people will buy them, like Glock gen3 clones, will you cry or just kill yourself in protest? A man shouldn't not know how a knurler works to think it makes a metal tube worth a thousand dollar.

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>>64327102
>This may come as a surprise to you, on account of you being fucking stupid,
Had a good giggle at this one. Going to use it in the future.

>>64337375
Boosters are harder to get right than you'd think

>>64338546
yeah maybe for an average joe, you dont think a huge company like PSA can figure it out?

I remember when some hoe ass companies said the bizon was "impossible" for production and PSA just made it work

>>64338546
Certainly it takes a certain amount of R&D to get a Nielsen Device/booster right, in that respect it's like magazines which also have more engineering going into them then people commonly recognize. But by the same token, magazines being challenging to get right didn't stop magpul from figuring out very good cheap ones.

Ultimately, a booster is some metal/piston/spring. The specific geometry takes some effort, but the manufacturing cost is low. So it comes down to how many you're making to spread those fixed costs across. If PSA or whomever else figure one out optimized for ease of manufacture (might well partner with others and make it totally standard across a huge percent of the industry, might as well) and sells millions it'll be cheap.