Let's say this actually happened in 1930, when War Plan Red was approved, and Britain responded with a total war mindset. How would this have gone?
>>64323873Somehow, the Anglo-Japanese Alliance has returned
It would have been a lot more interesting pre WW1. By 1930 Britain's ability to project power was severely curtailed.
This thread will be full of bile. Did a pajeet or zigger post it?
>canadian troops capture cities in a country where everyone owns guns
>>64323873On wich side would have been France and Germany ? Anglo-german vs US-France would be fun, not counting other powers.
>>64324571>Americans being weak and coward, not used to war especially on its on ground, not a single shot is fired from civilians.
>>64324614Cope
>>64324614>on its onyou're brown
>>64324571I doubt the US had many guns more than Canada per capita back in the 30s. Laws were about as free for both, gunsoomerism / gunkopop "culture" was not a thing, and there were fewer wild violent animals in the streets to defend yourself from. It would be 30-30 deer blasters on both sides. I wonder who John Garand is giving the design to first
>>64324650canada also had a population of like 10 million compared to 122 million americanswhatever canadians cross the border are going to get lit up like crazy
>>64324650John Garand was living in America by 1899
>>64324614Nigger at that point you still had surviving Civil War veterans. The US would have been no stranger to blood shed on it's own soil.
>>64323873>royal navy races across atlanticdo they have a death wish? now there's no one to stop the italians from blowing the shit out of britain's coasts
>>64324571everyone owns guns now and yet you have nigger gangs
>>64323983In 1930 the US is going to get its ass kicked by the UK. You're talking about the US arguably at its weakest versus the UK still at strength and you just have to look what the US was building or precisely not building versus what the UK was building and already had to see how one sided it would go. For starters the US is going to badly lose the naval fight no matter which way you swing it in 1930. The USN had basically scrapped a whole bunch of cruisers with no replacement and the Great Depression was hitting them hard by that point. The RN meanwhile already had got a whole bunch of brand new treaty cruisers into service with more on their way.Then on land you have to factor in there basically isn't really a single tank in the US arsenal by 1930 which really sums up just how much disparity there is between their forces in a nutshell. The tanks that are available to the US are woefully obsolete, you're talking taking an Renault FT out of storage. The UK meanwhile does have armor and mechanized forces using for the time state of the art vehicles. Which means if Canada can hold for at least two weeks then UK are going to be sending over a much more modern army than what the US has at this stage which makes the ground war very one sided in favor of the British.tl;dr in 1930 the US has an obsolete military and no economy against the most modern military in the world with some semblance of an intact economy. This is War Plan Nightmare for the US if the UK doesn't fuck around.>>64324604Really depends the reason why war was declared in the first place and when it happens. In most cases could see French being neutral unless either side does something to piss them off. Germany is still demilitarized at this stage. Japan is definitely going to swoop in on the US holdings in the Pacific that is a guarantee, they will never have a better opportunity. Only wild card I could think of is what does the USSR do as in do they try and chance annexing Alaska somehow?
>>64323873>Cut off the us via the panama canalLMAO nigger we built that so we could cut Y'ALL OFF. What retard would think you could cut off the us with a pacific and Atlantic coastline via the Panama canal.LMAO
>>64324664Not to mention this was before the Midwest manufacturing died off. It was a powerhouse and had the population to match. Canada wouldn't have been able to take any cities but the economies were so intertwined i don't think americans would've invaded Canada either.
>>64325409You are massively understating the impact of the Great Depression on the UK. But the real issue is the Royal Navy is kinda secondary. The US is right next to Canada with a much more massive population, industrial capacity, transport infrastructure, and military, while pretty much everything important in Canada is within 100 miles of the border. The main concern for the RN is sustaining naval convoys to reinforce Canadian holdings, and there is a genuine question of whether or not it would be able to given that Halifax would be top priority for the US. And if you're going to bring up tanks, I'd like to point out the US had modern aircraft and significant production capacity, while the UK would be limited to Canada's domestic industry and what could be shipped over.As for your international observations, Japan isn't going to do shit. The conflicts between the USA and Empire of Japan that led to WW2 doesn't really kick off until the 2nd Sino-Japanese War which hasn't started yet and Dutch and English colonial holdings held greater strategic value than US ones. Russia was more concerned reasserting itself in Manchuria against China and Japan than it was with the USA. In the case of a full conflict between the USA and the UK, Japan would be more likely to take a stab at the UK than the USA in 1930 but probably wouldn't do anything.
>>64325409The Royal Navy sinks every log in the ocean with an American flag on it. And what? America doesn't need the world anymore, they produce everything they need. A well equipped British expeditionary forces charges across the border, blasts through a local militia, and burns down Washington again. Then what? They wouldn't have the manpower to occupy even New York. So they sit there, wondering where the hell to go next, while the US slowly starts calling up its fuckhuge population to war.
>>64323873Neither side has the capacity or the mentality to actually invade or attempt to subjugate the other in 1930.Time is on America's side in this scenario. It's only 3/4 years until Britain has to begin focusing their attention on containing Germany and America simply has a much larger industrial capacity than Britain - who will absolutely not be able to recruit European allies, because Europeans have a crabs-in-a-bucket mentality when it comes to watching one another run themselves ragged in pointless wars. America moves its shipbuilding to the west coast away from the reach of the Royal Navy, and it becomes only a matter of time until Britain isn't able to sink American ships fast enough to contain them. Once the naval balance of power flips, Britain becomes isolated from Canada (and vice-versa), and sues for peace after a year of naval blockades.
>>64325437OTOH it was also the period where Canada had its strongest industrial manufacturing base with factories capable of churning out guns, tanks and planes. But their position would be indefensible IMO. The best they could hope for would be to fall back to a defensive position along the northern bank of the St Lawrence river, the Eerie Canal and Lake Superior and pray to god that the Brits get there ASAP. Given the state of the US military it's equally possible that a CAN/US war quickly loses momentum and gets stuck into a quagmire of WWI tier trench warfare along the Quebec/upstate NY border and in the Great Plains. The US would be able to mobilize a large military but would only really be able to send them in meatwaves against a Canadian force that has considerable great war defensive experience. I think if War Plan Red ever shook out IRL it would have much more likely become a trench war hellhole than a WWII-tier mechanized maneuver war at least until the Brits or Japanese were able to show up in force.
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>>64326437Also the only really capable US military force during the period, specifically designed to operate in the American theatre would have been the Marine Corps which was operating in Haiti and Nicaragua at the time. I imagine that the US military might have dispatched a USMC force to capture Halifax in order to deny the port's access to British reinforcements and the Royal Navy
>>64323983Pre WW1 I would bet on Brits. 1930? Probably some bloody stalemate.
>>64325557>The US is right next to Canada with a much more massive population, industrial capacity, transport infrastructure, and militaryIn 1930? Yeah no. The Great Depression doesn't start to have a real impact in the UK until a few years later meanwhile US industry has basically collapsed and their military is a joke in 1930. This scenario also assumes that the US runs a sudden surprise attack as if they try any sort of buildup then the UK isn't going to sit around.The real reality is that if either nation goes to war in 1930 you're going to see colossal civil unrest. Worst case is another Civil War for the US especially with the Dust Bowl just round the corner and still got that Commie movement going. Similar for UK but more in terms of colonial uprisings. Both nations would be bankrupted after this retarded slap fight and they have very little to gain but everything to lose.
>>64323873I think once the US had a sufficient railway network (for the sake of mass mobilisation and logistical supply) and a larger population than the UK i.e. 1860s, it was basically a logistical impossibility for the UK to sucessfully conquer America. Also US industrial output was greater than the UK's by the 1890s, so by every metric by the 20th century the US had the upper hand.
>>64326514The US population in 1860 is around 30 millionThe UK is around 23 million, plus around an extra 270 million to call on.
>>64326534By the 1860s the Americans could raise a conscripted army of 2-3 million men. Even with the might of the RN and merchant marine, I doubt an equal or greater number of men could be transported and provisioned speedily enough to launch a successful invasion of the US. Itw ould require a slower build up of force from Canada, but the US would likely make a strike against Canada before the build up concluded.
>>643238731930s interwar America was weak and pathetic, they only became strong around 1941 and never looked backBongoloids would sweep them from coast to coast but take high casualties simply because of the enormous geography and population
>>64326559You are aware that when the US did implement conscription in the 1860's that New York City was nearly burned to the ground via riots? Conscription isn't as easy a solution as you'd think during this time period and this is assuming you don't get the whole South ceding.
>>64323873Nigger, you couldn't beat us in 1776 when we were an underpopulated, underpowered upstart colony with a fledgling citizen's militia. If you lost THEN, What could possibly make you think that you could ever beat us at any point in time after that?!
>>64323873>Nimitz orgasming at the pure navywank the war would be on the news and patton genociding leafs by the bushel with his tank cores using late war wunderwaffle that don't become swiss cheese at the sight of an HMG or a pom pom. Grand strat would be bongs bankrupting due no more free money by state dept and nobody lending to them so they bum rush a blockade of the east coast Probably failing to achieve a decisive victory and nobody giving much of a shit about what happens in Canada while a ceasefire favoring the US is reached due to bong poverty and inability of proper burger trade>Federalists 2FDR and the commies fuck over the US with a strategically insignificant naval loss and cuck to bongs for political power and economic prospects of jew york. Huey long defends Louisiana with a second battle of new Orleans and becomes president after the war if people don't hate FDR enough, if they do, probably Patton >>64324571>Picrel>>64324614Federalists basically collaborated like the royalists they are at 1812, now imagine how the turbo federalists like unironic fascist icon of the Duce himself, Roosevelt would undermine the war effort
>>64326719I think the likes of the Spanish and French had a lot to do with that?
>>64323873>Britain responded with a total war mindset.Not part of the british plan. British plan was to say good luck to canada but you are on your own before some kind of suicide run on hampton roads or wherever the main naval base on the east coast was at the time so they can knock it out and stalemate the war.
>>64326719>What could possibly make you think that you could ever beat us at any point in time after that?!us? there was no 'us' in the 1860s.
>>64326736Whilst travelling in the wilderness I always carry a sealed envelope containing a photo of the American White House. If I ever get lost I just open it and within seconds a Canadian will appear and inform me they helped the British army burn it in the war of 1812. To find civilised human society again I just walk away in the opposite direction to him.
The United States was able to obtain most of its resources domestically, so naval blockades and commerce raiding were largely meaningless.
>>64323873Literally the dumbest scenario ever. Fake and gay.
An underlooked element of the discussion of this hypothetical is the question of Quebec: do they revolt and side with the Yankees as soon as the Canadian government launches hostilities and implements conscription? Does the Canadian government tie its hand behind its back as in WWII by not implementing conscription to avoid a Quebec crisis? Imo southern Quebec would be the most logical route for an American army to march into the Lawrentian Valley
>>64326957They dig in and shoot everyone
>>64326850Its more a question of money and if the US isn't exporting its not generating wealth. All this scenario does is self embargo and I believe the UK would be okay to lose Canada if they got the Panama canal out of it.>>64326851Its a beyond retarded scenario. A lot has to happen well more than a trade row for the US and British Empire to actively get into a shooting match. About the only way I could see either faction getting into a fight is if there is a Communist revolution in US or UK and what you'll probably find is that it'll be the loyalists teaming up with whatever faction doesn't fracture to put down the Commies.
>>64326969Including themselves.
>>64326972>Communist revolution in US or UKThe 5 months I was in UK exposed a lot of socialists, but no communists.
>>64323873What the fuck is this butt-fucking retarded numbering of the boxes?
>>643269881930's were a different time anon. The red menace was everywhere waiting for an opportunity to strike!
>>64324571Yes.Say, what did the Proud Boys do?What was going on with those fags standing there with their gay little ARs doing nothing?How come there were hordes of negroes rioting in the streets and only one little faggot managed to shoot some antifa goons?You won't do shit. The moment there is a very real threat of war on your ground you will shit and piss your pants and cry for your mommy, you little dickless neverserved faggot. Maybe if you stopped your hormone treatment RIGHT NOW you might be able to get out of this rather unscathed. Now get on your knees and show gratitude to someone who can actually manage to defend this country.
>>64327009>no don't let them burn their own neighborhoods down!Funny how the second those pavement apes stepped out of their hives they were met by gun owners, almost as if you have selective memory.
>>64327009>doing nothing?They stole Nancy's stapler and are doing hard time.
>>64327055>Funny how the second those pavement apes stepped out of their hives they were met by gun ownersOh, so was it the fun owners gunfire that set those cities ablaze?Or are you talking about those white neighborhoods where MUH OC fags were standing around waiting for the sole black person in the county to get near them?
>>64323873qrd on where I can read more about this plan? why would this even exist in the first place? I'm not aware the us and uk ever had significant disagreements in the 20s and 30s.
>>64323873The USA easily take canids and Halifax. The uk will have no base of operations to attack the us. Only possible points of victory are in the South Pacific.I’m more interested in how the rest of the world would react /get invovled
>>64327088>why would this even exist in the first place?Its basically a thought exercise by seeing how far they could stretch their manpower and logistics before they could break. Kept their officers busy. If they could war game it without it becoming political suicide probably would have even extended an invite to the British to take part as a very improbable but highly useful exercise to see the strengths and weaknesses that may need addressed in event of war across a cross ocean major power.
>>64323873Trump will officially be the best president of all time if he sets off a war like this that leads to mass killing of whites. More dead wyppo is what we need
>>64324571Cities would probably welcome cucknadian overlords
>>64327109>I’m more interested in how the rest of the world would react /get invovledBy grabbing a bucket of popcorn.Japan is the one most likely to get involved they'll gobble up the US Pacific holdings as they are much easier to take. The UK holdings can be snatched at a later date after they are depleted as the Japanese really do fear the RN much more than the USN at this stage which they see as a paper tiger.France and Italy keep each other in check, they hate each other so much that if any picks sides they'll try to backstab each other by trying to snatch each others colonial holdings. Likely be neutral.Mexico just had the Cristero so isn't in a position to do shit not that it wouldn't be suicide if they were.Spain might try to reassert itself in the Caribbean but aside from being suicidalily stupid, I could legit see a combined USN and RN fleet calling a truce just to blow them out the water if they tried.South America in particular Argentina would love this war as all the trade would be coming to them and they'll be raking the money in. Germany is irrelevant at this stage.USSR probably will try to take advantage of the situation and launch a series of three day special military operations at its neighbors which will still be going on long after the war concludes.
>>64325010White Americans have the same rate of murder victimization as whites in Luxembourg, niggers are segregated and those who don't stay in their niggervilles are quietly murdered or burned out along with pretty much any darkies. In Western PA the best way to collect fire insurance on a dilapidated home is to offer it up for Section 8 Housing, because if a darkie moves in it is unlikely to be standing within a year.
>>64327060Again, selective memory.
>>64327240Yes, that is your affliction, but why do you keep mentioning it?
>>64327260>noooooo they didn't shoot people >yeah because they fled at the sight of guns>but they shoulddddd Why do Europeons equate the 2nd Amendment to mowing people down indiscriminately? Is it mental illness or genetic damage from centuries of serfdom?
>>64327291>MUHHHH YUROOOOOSAre you fucking retarded? Where did you get the idea from that I am a fucking yuro?I bet you're the kind of person who calls others ESL if they call you a retard for saying "could of". Dumb nigger. Post guns, faggot.
>>64327310Cope and fucking seethe, you act hard but the second shit goes down you go on to /pol/ and cry while those people successfully defended their homes.
Why are there so many retards here thinking the US couldn't mobilize in the 30s? A war would quite literally jumpstart the US economy and with the opportunity for land grab it would be massively profitable
>>64327474With what money?US could grab Canada but in turn lose virtually all its oversea possessions which fucks them economically long term.
>>64323873It would nuke the global economy, that's for sure.
>>64324631A single letter typo doesn't negate their point, retard.
>>64325409How are they going to hold the territory? This is back when machine guns were unregulated. Americans would be launching guerilla attacks that the French Resistance and IRA could only dream of.
>>64327009>>64327060>>64327055A neighborhood watch was effective wherever it was implemented. The lefties kept moving on, trying to smear suburbanites as literal nazi terrorists omg I'm literally shaking rn.However, the Latino Aztecs were easily the funniest.
>>64327060SET THE CITIES ABLAZEbitch the Minneapolis cops caused more damage to life and property than people running through the target. I live here, its fine. Theres one block thats "George Floyd Square" and thats just residential with hippies selling clothes. Go back to watching fox complain about portland's month of silliness.
>>64327754>With what money?their ownlosing Canada to the US (to say nothing of other losses) would collapse a British government, regardless of whether they captured Panama (they wouldn't) or not
>>64327291People probably get that impression from people shooting each other over mattresses in dirty alleyways and in snowy suburbs. And the numerous noggin joggin shooties.
