GCAP will be the world's only 6th Generation fighter.>F-47 is made by Boeing who haven't made a fighter since the P-26 and can't even make airlines that don't crash.>FCAS will be sabotaged by Franco-German infighting.>Russia is too poor to even make a 5th gen.>China's design has a bigass 3 engine configuration with a huge intake shoehorned on top.
>>64325413C
>>64325413>>FCAS will be sabotaged by Franco-German infighting.I fucking hate the French so much when it comes to international consortiums. They ruined ITER with this shit.
>>64325413Wow thanks OP for making this insightful and not completely retarded thread.
>>64325413Who needs a 6th gen. For me, it's the F-35. The best Joint Strike Fighter. I even ask for extra AMRAAMs, and the US Government is so friendly and more than willing to oblige.One time I asked for one billion dollars in F-35s and they gave me three billion dollars worth of F-35s. I said, "Wow, three for free!" and the nice friendly American Congressman laughed and said, "I'm going to call you 3-for-free-Is-rae-li".Now Congress greets me with "hey, it's 3-for-free-Is-rae-li!" and ALWAYS gives me three billion dollars worth of F-35s. It's such a fun and cool atmosphere here at the Israeli Ministry of Defense. I go beg Congress at least 3 times a week for advanced fighter jets, 1-2 times for Patriot missiles on the weekend, and maybe once for high powered laser systems when I'm in a rush, but want a great networked defense system that is affordable, fast, and can match my daily sandnigger destruction needs.I even sell their weapons technology to the Chinese! it's highly classified! What a great country.
>>64325413China's tri-jet already flying.New supersonic flying wing prototype pics leaked!Real Chinese 6th gen still on drawing board like rest, but more likely still. They get all data from other programs a week after data is created, but don't have infighting or corruption or DEI issues of all other programs, or money troubles of Russia.
>>64325413France and Germany have more experience with fifth gens than the GCAP partners (UK, Italy and Japan), where none of the companies involved (BAE, Leonardo or Mitsubishi) have any experience as part of the original JSF design program or assembling F-35s locally
>>64325413>TRUTH NUKEGCAP nor FCAS will ever happen. The ULTIMATE truth nuke.
>>64325535>BAEYou do know they were partnered with McDonnell Douglas, and Northrop during the JSF program, and they produced a great design which was cut because it was too similar to LM's F-35. BAe also produced the Replica stealth fighter/multirole during the 90s. BAe has more stealth knowledge than any of the others.https://theaviationist.com/2014/02/25/mysterious-bae-replica/https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/mcdd-northrop-bae-astovl-mrf-jast-jsf-studies.2392/#post-13844
>>64325413Boeing St Louis is just McDonnell Douglas under a different name, doubly since their executives won out after the merger. They’ve done a lot of DARPA work we know about in the last couple decades, and presumably some we don’t. They’ll be fine.
>>64325702he's been posting the exact same copy pasta in every GCAP/FCAS thread for months
>>64325413
>>64325481gobbless
>>64325413>F-47 is made by Boeing who haven't made a fighter since the P-26 and can't even make airlines that don't crash.You might know the fighter division of Boeing previously known as McDonnell-Douglas. Responsible for F-4 Phantom II, F-15 and F/A-18 Hornet.
>>64325413The real tvth nvke is 10 years from now you'll be posting pics of the f-47 and calling it ugly while comparing it's on paper stats to chink vaporware in order to bury Shitaly, Bong Card, and the Nips buying F-35's
What blew in west taiwan this time?
>>64325413germs are trying to weasel their way in on that project too lmao. should get competent countries like sweden and south-korea to tag along.
>>64327460Sweden was an observing member and dropped out. Their airforce philosophy is all about small single engine fighters that can be maintained by a small crew and can take off/land from rural highways. They saw fairly early that GCAP was looking to be a fairly large twin engined fighter and that just doesn't mesh with their ethos.South Korea has nothing really to provide except money I guess, but the GCAP partners are far more likely to tap Germany and/or Saudi Arabia if they wanted a cash cow.
>>64327479Yeah Sweden was a Tempest observer, and then a GCAP observer, but left not long after officially GCAP formed.
>>64327460German MoD already excluded the notion to join GCAP as junior partner and will defintely not buy the F47. The US is seen as unreliable at this point. They`re currently exploring the possibility to continue the project without Dassault, but keep other french manufacturers and suppliers. The cooperation with Safran for example seems to be going smoothly. They will either onboard other companies (potentially including french) and/ or resize the workshare for the other members.
>>64328462Who the fuck keeps on bringing up the idea of the F-47 being exported? It was a spontaneous one off line by orange man and neither the AF nor Boeing have said anything to support it.
>>64328476Well good thing then that they also don`t want to buy it.
>>64328547I guess, but the idea they'd even be allowed to buy it is frankly retarded.
>>64328547You euros will never be able to buy it but keep on pretending like you are in the position to choose
>>64325413I'm not an aerospace engineer so excuse my question. How does the humpback intake that I imagine can be hidden behind the cockpit compromise radar refraction any more than double intakes on both sides of the cockpit?
>>64329090Congrats, you have an engine that stalls before the rest of the engines.
>>64329090with two engines you do it like the su57 but since the chink thing has three engines I guess you're stuck with the humpback design
>>64329102are you retarded?
>>64329102I think the chink cope is that it doesn't need maneuverability because it's designed for maximum stealth.
>>64329131Innocent question larp or thinly veiled derailment?Which is it, chinkshill?
>>64329102how does one engine stall before the others?
>>64329167Boundary layer separation, dorsal inlet gets turbulent low pressure air. It's only made worse by having a bigass canopy in front of it to break the boundary layer even further. -30% air volume by 20° AOA, stall by 25°.
>>64329167To make a lot of complex engineering shit simple, airflow to that engine will be disrupted before airflow to the other engines is disrupted during combat maneuvers.
>>64329167>>64329202^this. See my shitty pic. The air become turbulent as it shears off the wings leading edge at higher AOAs.
>>64329159Explain how a fucking dorsal intake can make the 2 engines with belly intakes stall you absolute retard. At most it will be the dorsal intake engine that will stall. And no I'm not a fucking bugman shill.
>>64331254That's what he said, you absolute illiterate retard.
>>64331258I accept your concession
>>64326223lmao
>>64325481noice
>>64329102>Congrats, you have an engine that stalls before the rest of the engines.>an engine that stalls.As in ONE, singular engine that stalls.>before the rest of the engines.>rest of the engines.As in more than one engine. Hence, engines being plural.>>64331269Not my fault you're retarded and cant read well.
What happened to the NGAD, by the way? Ever since the announcement of the F-47 mutts have been trying to metodichka anything about it pretending it never existed.
>>64331291What? They just said they're planning to fly the first production unit in 2028.
>>64331254That's what I said you ESL>>64331286Why are you downplaying the effect that losing an engine will have? You lose 33% of thrust but more importantly lose electrical generation and cooling which Chinese engines have very little margin for. It takes a couple minutes to restart a flamed out engine requiring you to fly level and at lower altitudes. When combined with the fact that such maneuvers that would cause such a stall happen at a time the plane is trying to avoid getting shot down, it's a bad situation compounded into a worse one.
>>64331448*before this further gets disingenuously interpreted I am referring to >At most it will be the dorsal intake engine that will stall.
>>64331448why are you trying to convince yourself that a stealthy missile boat meant to go high and fast will spend 90% of its time dogfighting at 9000degrees of aoa? Any tailless design will have lower manouverability and a lower max aoa limit than compared with a traditional design. Look at the other chink doritos and you'll see the smaller ones have normal intakes, this obviously mean this one isn't even a fighter but a bomber. Now try to remember where the intakes of the B-2 and B-21 are
>>64331560It's not going to be nearly as stealthy as even current fighters with all those design compromises. It doesn't matter that it wasn't designed for dogfighting, it's aspect of stealth is less effective from the design alone, because of that it'll still need keep the ability to defend and recommit to launch missiles that'll have enough energy to hit targets, something that'll be hampered by it's poor AOA performance. The B-2 and B-21 have to use auxiliary intakes just to take off, so stop pretending that this is a bomber when it's closer to a Su-34.
>>64325413>can't even make airlines that don't crash.Truth nuke "airlines" are companies, airplanes are products. Faggot.
>>64325413>>64326140Yeah dude "Boeing" made the F-15.And the Pajeet rot on the airliner side of the conglomerate does not touch the Fighter Aircraft.F-47 is being made by the company that made thee F-15 and its many descendants.
>>64326140>>64331595Phantom Works head is former military and Northrop Grumman. I have no doubt that St Louis is more than capable of making this plane.
>>64331448>Why are you downplaying the effect that losing an engine will have?I never did.
>>64331586>It's not going to be nearly as stealthy as even current fighters with all those design compromises.If you're referring to the F-35 and the F-22 then yeah, if you actually mean other 4th gen fighters then you're just crying and being disingenuous. Chinks can only copy and poorly at that, but to say a tailless dorito with almost all typical rcs reducing design choices isn't going to be more stealthy than 90% of what's on the market today it's retarded. Not to mention that regarding stealth a dorsal intake is literally the opposite of a compromise.>It doesn't matter that it wasn't designed for dogfightingOkay, so there is nothing wrong with saying the A-10 is a shit platform because it's not stealth and can't supercruise? This is literally your argument. A bomber will never be a good dogfighter. > it's aspect of stealth is less effective from the design aloneProvide an example, what part of its design isn't optimized for stealth?>The B-2 and B-21 have to use auxiliary intakes just to take offWhich is most likely what the chinks would've wanted to do if they had any capabilities at making good engines, but them using 3 engines is either a design choice by turning off the bottom 2 and closing the intakes to futther reduce stealth once they are high in the sky or simply them realizing they wouldn't have the thrust necessary with just 2 chink engines, so they went with a third. But this is still completely outside of your retarded takes.
>>64325535The UK and Italy are F35 partners, they were involved in the design and manufacture.
>>64331291Are you Retarded?Like for Real are you mentally Disabled.F-47 won the NGAD competition.The fighter wasnt going to be called "NGAD" "NGAD" is the name of the development competition between manufacturers, as Issued and Overseen by the DoD.F-47 is the Manned Fighter that resulted, there will also be unmanned drone wingmen, of which the US has a variety in active development. If I was to guess I would say there will be MANY options developed for various roles From Air Supremacy to Naval Strike, to Surveillance and EWAR and the NGAD PCA aka "F-47" will be able to manage and control all of them.
>>64331607Okay, not directly saying it absolves you of saying *only* one engine as if it's a trivial inconvenience.>>64331608>if you actually mean other 4th gen fighterslol of course not, it'll expect it to be stealthier than the J-20 at bare minimum.>Okay, so there is nothing wrong with saying the A-10 is a shit platform because it's not stealth and can't supercruise?Yep, it's absolute dogshit that was obsolete not even a decade after production started. We just happened to luck out having two decades of sandnigger sandbox for it to play in. Same reason why we're scrapping all of them.>Provide an example, what part of its design isn't optimized for stealth?That big dorsal intake nullifies a lot of the effect removing the tail has. Meanwhile it still has side intakes increasing signature from the bottom. Choose one or the other.>but them using 3 engines is either a design choice by turning off the bottom 2 and closing the intakes to futther reduce stealth once they are high in the sky or simply them realizing they wouldn't have the thrust necessary with just 2 chink engines, so they went with a third.Yeah idk that's just hilarious
TRUTH NUKEThe USA will have the first gen 6, China will have a 5.5, everyone else will buy American.
>>64331628>Yep, it's absolute dogshit that was obsolete not even a decade after production startedMy bad for expecting to have a rational discussion. By your logic the B-2 is also shit since it has zero doghfighting capabilities.>That big dorsal intake nullifies a lot of the effect removing the tail hasYou're clearly out of your element here.
>>64331628>3 engines is either a design choice by turning off the bottom 2 and closing the intakes to futther reduce stealth once they are high in the sky or simply them realizing they wouldn't have the thrust necessary with just 2 chink engines, so they went with a third.more likely IMO is that it REQUIRES 2 engines to stay airborne, so if it only had two an engine failure = loss of airframe.so it has three.I believe every single western 4th/5th gen 2 engine fighter is fully flyable on one engine as a design requirement. Not combat capable obviously, but able to fly home.The china dorito cannot fly on one at all is my guess, so margin for safety demands three.Also just for face saving reasons, having these thing lose and engine and jsut fall out of the sky, as china newest and most advanced aircraft, would be MASSIVELY humiliating and they are unable to cope with that the way western companies and governments can. SO even if it can limp home on one extra margin is built in as like Pre-emptive face saving so that humiliating crash is far less likely to occur.[spoiler]we all know its going to occur anyway though, LMao[/spoiler]
>>64331633>By your logic the B-2 is also shit since it has zero doghfighting capabilities.Nope, it makes up for it with extreme low observability.The dorsal intake is high. It has internal reflections compared to a cockpit bump. Compare that to the bumps of a B-21.
>>64331632Sorry lardass, you're now persona non grata within your own military alliance you yourself founded.
>>64331664We just made you hand over more money to Ukraine, sorry but you're not in charge here Nigel.
>>64331664As Spain, the absolute lowest spender in all of NATO, has epically shown by pulling out of a deal they were never in?
>>64331654>it makes up for itThis has to be bait. You can't be so retarded that you would "take points away" from the overall score of a bomber for it being unable to do digfights. Are you a fucking Warthunder/DCS baby?>The dorsal intake is high. It has internal reflections compared to a cockpit bump. Compare that to the bumps of a B-21.So basically you think that a direct feature that enhance stealth, just because shittily implemented makes it a feature that increases RCS. God fucking damnit, stop embarassing yourself.
>>64331668But it's not a bomber? That'd be the H-20. I already pointed that out when I drew parallels to the Su-34.>shittily implemented makes it a feature that increases RCSI mean yeah, if it was better implemented I wouldn't be saying that.
>>64331628>Okay, not directly saying it absolves you of saying *only* one engine as if it's a trivial inconvenience.All I did was repeat and clearly state what that anon posted. I didn't state anything, aside from the anon clearly saying that one engine would stall before the other two. Which he was clearly talking about the middle engine with the dorsal intake.Stop (You)ing me, you're a headache to converse with.
>>64331676We'll have to agree to disagree, because it seems you don't even understand what I am saying.
>>64325413>>China's design China already has a functional aircraft. None of the other shit you mentioned even exists in any operable form yet. >SARRS WE PROMISE WE DO HAVE F-47 PROTOTYPE WE JUST CAN'T SHOW YOU FOR THE NATIONAL SECURITY PURPOSE SARRRR SARRRRRRRRRR
>>64331726>FunctionalA prototype that isn't mission capable is merely an implessive display model.
>>64331731Better than some computer rendering made by shitjeets.
>>64331731T. Lockjeet Shartin' shill.
>>64327479>>64328288It was still such a short-sighted move, what's the point of adhering to the cold war Bas-90 in a world with real-time satellite based ISR and Hypersonics.
>>64331733>>64331735Implessive
>>64331731And a CGI image is better?
>>64331838Why are you so hyper focused on a match up between prototypes that won't happen until the 2030s? You can call a bodykit a new plane but until I see actual capabilities it may as well be cgi.
>>64331856>moving the goalpost
>>64331871The goal was never whoever got something flying first Chang. That's why you keep shilling this nothingburger bodykit.
>>64328476Trump himself said they’re going to export the F-47 but 10% worse than the US model not that long ago.
>>64331877Whatever makes you sleep at night
>>64331879So you just proved my entire message right or didn't read it?
>>64331880I'm not worried over a plane flying.
>>64331897>doIlooklikeIworry.jpg
>>64331907Okay then shill me on why this bodykit flying should make me worried about sone glorious Chinese century.
>>64331908First you have to prove to me that it's a bodykit. Have you recognized the landing gear or other components from other chink planes?
>>64331917Lack of features. It does what any modern military jet can do. If anything they're still making sure the basic shape won't fall out of the sky.
>>64331933>Lack of featuresSuch as? Please, post a single piece of evidence regarding ANY of your claims. I hate chinkshills like anyone else, but I also hate insecure underaged retards like you who despite not knowing anything in the matter are extremely vocal in their retarded claims. So either back up at least a single claim or shut the fuck up>If anything they're still making sure the basic shape won't fall out of the sky.I'm sure
>>64331960Okay we're done, you can't prove it's not a bodykit.
>>64331962I accept your defeat
>>64331960>ling ling posts it againThis 4.5 gen is not implessive
>>64331963I'm not afraid of a featureless bodykit you can't show isn't just a propaganda piece, sorry.
>>64331960I really like how it needs to cash in energy to do that
>>64331726>>64331838>>64331871>>64331880>>64331907>>64331917>>64331960>>64331963Back to your dedicated seethe thread, why are you hiding here from your own creation? Are you scared?
>>64331999>why are you hiding here from your own creation?my sidesthis is too poetic for this scottish homemade dog treat forum
>>64331896Who cares what you say when the big boss have his blessings? I sincerely doubt the US wouldn’t sell the F-47 to its allies. Money is profit.
>>64332002>chinkshill hides away in other threads because he gets continuously bullied and mogged in his very own shill threadsIt is poetic isn’t it?
>>64331665>weYou definitely didn't. As a matter of fact, we're the ones still supplying ukraine while your head of state is too busy licking a dictator's boots
>>643321492 Billion from the US, try harder.
>>64325481baste
>>64332152So lemme get this straight: you bitch and moan about the increase in spending by european countries because they threaten you exports and erode any meaningful reason of why you're squatting in nato bases in the first place, but you also gloat that you indirectly set in motion a rearmament by making you an unreliable diplomatic partner and military ally, with your potus putting and lifting tariffs at random and messing with the international stock market while posting contradictory statements on twitter? Make up your mind, you braindead chauvinist
>>64332188You just made up a person to complain about. Good luck little buddy, you sound like you spend too much time on twitter.
>>64325535Japan made a 5th gen prototype and both uk and italy are part of the JSF program
>>64331999>>64332002looks like I made you mad
>>64331999>>64332002>>64332032>loses argument>y-you're a chinkshillSure thing pal. Interesting that you ignore that I literally pointed out all the issues of the J-36. But underaged retards like you don't know how to take criticism
>>64332005So euros say TACO but take his word as gospel when it suits them?
>>64333212only other americans calls him that
>>64333212glazing trump on /k/ is akin to glazing Feinstein
>>64333710I'm not glazing orange man; I don't believe a word he says until it is backed by relevant parties and signings.
>>64333720that'll get you accused of being a chinkshill on nu-/k/
>>64325413Boeing defense is way different than Boeing commercial. Different group with much better workers.Commercial side is 75%+ Vietnamese who can't speak or read English.Military side is like 90% white with tons of experience.Different ballgame.
>>64335840is that why the T-7 has been such a fuckup?
>>64331291DOA.
>>64332243>>64332261>gets mad>posts chinkshill seethe thread>your subsequent seethe in another thread is pointed out>a-actually you were seethinglol.
>>64337885>everyone is the same guy!Reddit might be more up your alley. I hear they must use unique IDs there
>>64337997great way to expose yourself as a newfag lol
>>64336537I haven't heard of really anything bad about the T7.Remember, every military jet is a shitshow from start to finish.That's how it goes
>>64338065That cope is so sad that I don't even have the strenght to come up with a snarky rebuttal.
>>64338031My bad, I never gave a fuck about how reddit works, roodypoo candyass.
>>64338133>roodypoo candyass.what fucking zoomer lingo is that lmao
>>64338133nigger what the fuck hahahaha
>>64338156newfag baka desu senpai
>>64338065>I haven't heard of really anything bad about the T7.>USAF needs to replace 60yo T-38 because it was wholly inadequate for training for the past 20 years and it's been falling out of the sky>open T-X competition to avoid the need to do extensive maintenance and overhaul to the T-38 fleet>T-7, T-50 and M-326 are competing>out of the 3 they choose the only one who is still only a digital prototype and the most expensive of the 3>Boeing promises deliveries by 2017/8>delays upon delays happen>issues with ejection seats>issues with APU>issues with software>LRIP delayed again to 2026-2027>USAF has to go ahead and both pay for the new trainer and the refurbish/maintenance of the T-38s >USAF will purchase at a markup a few T-50s from Lockheed/KAI for "testing", saying the current T-7 even if delivered will not satisfy the USAF needs>USAF has to pay millions to send their pilots to Italy to train on the M-326They wanted to replace the T-38 and chose the T-7 to save money, and now they basically paid for every single option under the sun, and are still left without a single T-7 in service. And in the meantime the unit price for the new trainer increased to almost 2x.
>>64338156>>64338171>call others newfag>doesn't know the most common old 4chan lingo.I bet you don't even know the story about the wall of glocks.
>>64325413The GCAP is never coming out, and if it does, it will be as disappointing as every other European plane project.
>>64325535>>64331611>>64332201None of the JSF 'partners' did anything.They were allowed to sit in the corner while the US decided what plane it wanted and how, because of muh NATO stuff. Americans still believed in that back then.
>>64338156They're really not sending their best, are they?Try doing more research before coming here to shill next time.
>>64338318>None of the JSF 'partners' did anything.t. Ching Chong from meat processing plant district 594
>>64338226Jesus Christ
>>64338226>T-7it's T-7A>T-50It's FA-50>M-326it's MB-346
>>64342149>T-7Ano>FA-50no, the version offered for the TX is the T-50>MB-346M-346, no "B"
>>64325420Hate all you want bitch, they can and eill build a plane by themselves
