https://defencesecurityasia.com/en/us-blocks-engines-turkey-kaan-fighter-jet-nato-tensions/>Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan has confirmed that the United States Congress has blocked the export of crucial engines intended for Turkey’s indigenous KAAN fifth-generation fighter jet program>This unprecedented move underscores the deep fractures within NATO and highlights the growing mistrust that continues to plague US-Turkey defence relations in the aftermath of Ankara’s acquisition of Russia’s S-400 air defence system.>Turkey now faces an acute dilemma—either accelerate the development of its domestic engine technology, seek alternative suppliers from Russia or China, or risk strategic vulnerability by extending reliance on its ageing fleet of F-16s
Turkey KAAN't into 5th gen
>>64326658How far away is Turkey from domestic engines? A few years, right?
Turks should pay ukies to develop and make engines together, since ukies have the base industry and know-how for that, but don't have money to make new and better shit
>>64326658Not even memeing when I say that the KAAN project is dead>US won't give them engines>russia in incapable>france supplies the greekswhich leaves>UKNot impossible but would require either the engine or the jet to be redesigned. Might be tied to eurofighter sales in which case germany will put the boots to the turks over EU and NATO fuckery>chinaWould be a geopolitical disaster and would ensure that the kaan never gets exported because it would be a threat to j-35 salesturk domestic engines are straight up an impossibility without tech transfer, which they aren't getting since they aren't getting engines period.
>>64326668A few decades yes, perhaps never. Building jet engines is similar in complexity to microchips. Very specific workforce required etc
>>64326668lmao. good one.>>64326669jet engine tech is probably the single most valuable thing that ukraine has right now. unless turkey sends over every last drone and artillery, ukraine isn't going to just give away the one bargaining chip they still have.
>>64326676it's not about giving away, it's about some win-win cooperation, ukies need money and load for their industry, turks need a supplier which won't bitch about edgogan and shit
>>64326687ukies are literally cannibalizing their existing jet engines. ukies have no capacity to export anything.
>>64326658Guess we'll keep buying Russian oil
>>64326658I was surprised they were approved for them in the first place frankly
>>64326658the united states still have a congress? let's wait till the president hears about this.
>>64326658HAHAHAHAHA COCKROACHES
>>64326687>>64326692>working with 90iq Ukrainians instead of russiaWhat's the logic behind that
>>64326692They can export expertise, knowledge and blueprints.>>6432667499% of jet engine design is public domain. The issue with modern jet engines is the last 1% where there is an 11 secret herbs and spices in metallurgy to make the engine parts withstand the high temperatures. Even if you managed to crack the recipe, the manufacturing process is very difficult and expensive to replicate. The solution is to do what China did with EVs. China found that they can't build good ICE for cars. So they sidestepped it and made EVs.
Didn't Turkey want to produce them with the help of (British) Rolls Royce anyway? Or are there some American components that would give the US a veto right?
>>64326692>ukies are literally cannibalizing their existing jet enginesYou mean the cruise missile shit? Those are old engines which worked out their engine life.
>>64326714russia is gay, they all got aids from buttsex
>>64326716>China found that they can't build good ICE for cars. So they sidestepped it and made EVs.But chink EVs suck dick if you treat it as anything more than a chink-tier gadget, basically an android tablet on wheels to be used to move your ass for 1-2 years at most
>>64326730Good one
>>64326658fake news.congress did nothing. fidan just said this while in new york:>One of our problems is the issue of CAATSA, which emerged after 2019. For us, CAATSA is a systemic problem that blocks the trade of defense systems between two allies. For example, there is the issue of the F-35s and the KAAN fighter jet engines, whose license is stuck in Congress>The license must be granted for the engines to arrive so that production of the KAAN can begin. It may appear to be a technical issue, but systemically, when restrictions are placed on our relations with the US, this inevitably drives us to seek alternatives in the international system.later erdogan met trump. then fidan said:>We carried out extensive diplomatic efforts. In the discussions, an agreement was reached on resolving issues such as CAATSA sanctions that hinder the further development of our relations. Our priority is to ensure a ceasefire in Gaza as soon as possibleso actually the opposite happened. caatsa sanctions might be lifted soon.
>>64326732And you know this because you own one?
>>64326751https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-01/xiaomi-shares-fall-after-su7-car-crash-local-media-says-3-deadhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-23/xiaomi-delays-release-of-first-suv-after-fatal-road-accident
>>64326716>99% of jet engine design is public domain.So? The problem lies in precision manufacturing.
>>64326748The based trad Russians are losing to this?!
>>64326672>Would be a geopolitical disaster and would ensure that the kaan never gets exported because it would be a threat to j-35 salesTurkey is a member of NATO. China would never sell a member of NATO jet engines. It's probably all they have (WS-10C)
>>64326757>losingBy what metric?
>>64326765>40/1 kd>losinghttps://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukraine-war/russia-and-ukraine-swap-more-bodies-of-war-dead/3663738#:~:text=Kyiv%20confirms%20receiving%20bodies%20of,received%20bodies%20of%2019%20servicemen&text=Russia%20and%20Ukraine%20on%20Tuesday,during%20peace%20talks%20in%20Istanbul.
>>64326754Xiaomi doesn't have experience making autos. If you look at BYD or Hyundai, their cars are just as reliable as ICE autos
>>64326751I've driven in six different chink EVs, including those which are positioned as "premium" ones. At best they look "good" (by modern shit nigger tastes), kinda how cheap chink gadgets try to mimic premium stuff in terms of looks.
>>64326658>This unprecedented move underscores the deep fractures within NATO and highlights the growing mistrust that continues to plague US-Turkey defence relations in the aftermath of Ankara’s acquisition of Russia’s S-400 air defence system.Nah, it's because of Erdogan's stance on Israel and tensions that are flaring up as Israel tries to create territorial interests in Syria and Cyprus
>>64326732It's that why most manufacturers use china made and researched battery cells?
>>64326768And when you compare it to the population size of both countries that ratio becomes a nothingburger.
>>64326761you mean like Russia would never sell S-400 to a member of NATO. NATO would totally train on S-400 and find out how to effectively jam S-400.
>>64326779To the last Ukrainian!
>>64326784No wonder russia has a 40/1 kd
>>64326770Only good thing about them it's that other manufacturers have started to add features that used to be premium to baseline models to compete with the Chinese gimmick infested cars.
>>64326784I was on russias side you fucking retarded ape.
>>64326776no, most companies are chinese. chinese companies use chinese batteries because that's the law.lg and panasonic are doing fine. south korea and japan will not fall for chinese dumping.
>>64326780China views Turkey/NATO differently
>>64326716>Rene N5 >>64326755 anon is right. Essentially only capitalist countries can into high tech for this reason, you need real forces like those of the market to actually cultivate skilled labor as they are directly correlated. Otherwise your country will be africa tier warlord using scraps of what was or a corporatist hell hole which spends it's highest valued people like currency in a bid to see who can have the highest time preference >Inb4 collectivist faggotryCountries have revolutions and leftists governments when they are about to die, you're not advocating a third way or the true communism. You have to cope with those because your ideology is fundementally delusional.
>>64326801NTA, but it's exactly the opposite. The aerospace industry specifically was a product of warfare and military procurement, not the free market. Any country that wants to 'catch up' needs to heavily subsidize their industry for decades to account for the huge gap in knowledge and technical know how. No investor in Turkey is willing to put their money in a jet engine company that will turn a profit (maybe) in 30 years
>>64326776Because they are cheap and the materials are local
>>64326813>military procurementWhich ran to ask for the free market to make shit for them.
>>64326658LolRemember all the turkroach shilling about their vaunted technology?No free wngines for mudslimes
>>64326813just invest in gas turbines then. those have multiple use.you can later specialize to jet engines.
>>64326714All of the high tech industry in the USSR was in Ukraine manned by Ukrainians, Pidor monkeys could never
>>64326765By the metric of MEATCUBES
>>64326676>the single most valuable thing that ukraineDo you really believe they released all thier nukes back to Russia? Hint, they did not.
>>64326755>The problem lies in precision manufacturing.See? Now all of a sudden, overpaying fat boomers to run a Bridgeport and hold it to half a mil ALL DAY LONG is a good thing.
>>64326663Underrated
>>64326658I suspect they'll look towards Eurojet engines. The Saab/Embraer have already been researching using the Eurojet EJ2000 on Brazilian built Gripens for export in Latin America instead of the Volvo engine which is a licensed variant of a an American design.
>>64326748>This man has killed off 1 million Vatnigger invaders
>>64326672>UKI thought we were helping them develop an engine anyway?
>>64326819>free marketHad been pumped full of subsidies and public finances to spur development. There's a reason why during wars technology jumps, and it's because governments are actually stepping in and funding research and development where the free-market won't. Free-market exists to reliable money via the cheapest means, not cultivate cutting edge tech. And, when the free-market does fund and cultivate such tech it's at a snails pace, and even then they still get gibs.
>>64326785>Vector version of phpBB smiley Mr. Green ends up in Russo-Ukrainian war parody video in year of our Lord 2025.Absolutely nuts.
Imagine still being this butt hurt, lmao.
>>64326721RR proposed that but as usual americans used their suspiciously cheaper offering to remove them and turks fell for it.
>>64326819Yeah the MIC is subsidized by the state under a capitalist mode of production. They complement each other, not contradict. Turkey, China and other developing countries need both to succeed, because it will take decades to become profitable
>>64327203Just what is the average and outlier ages on this board. Everything went and gone topsy turvy in the last 8 years.
>>64326819Functional governments fund projects that are operated by private companies. Not even the tertiary r&d is a directly federal operation.The gov pays, the people compete, the "free market" provides.
Ignoring things like NACA/NASA, the US has been actively subsidizing the basic research and development for gas turbines through their ATEGG program (continued by the IHPTET, VAATE, etc) since 1959 and JTDE (complementary with ATEGG), and that ignores specific programs for development for specific planes. Even more basic things like material science are developed by other programs.That have been hundred of million dollars since those years just to develop the basic parts of gas turbines, it ignores the rest like contracts to develop XF and YF engines, acquisitions or "continuous improvement during service" (that has been used to fix major fuck ups with the core or LPC since the 1970s, see the story of the F100 engine).Pretending any of that is "free market" is laughable and you can see similar things in other countries, but the US will simply not allow being second in gas turbines. And most commercial turbofans are direct derivatives of the core of military turbofan or rely most of the same production chain.
>>64327258I saw a real, live boomer who joined the military before the Reagan presidency post yesterday, so it could be anywhere from underage b& to 80?
>>64327092>EJ200You need at least an F110 class engine to power an airframe as large and heavy as Kaan, and if American engines aren't an option there's only a couple of alternatives.>TFX Engine"s third county options are; IHI Corporation XF9 (Japan),Xi"an Aero-Engine Corporation WS-10/WS-15 (China) and UEC Saturn AL-31 (Russia). Pratt & Whitney has F119 engines used at F-22 aircraft, but due to CAATSA, it is unlikely for Turkey to receive such engines from the U.S.https://turdef.com/article/demir-there-are-three-alternative-engines-for-tf-xIf they settle for AL-31 Kaan will be underpowered, and AL-51 doesn't seem to be available for export. Japan doesn't transfer military powerplant as seen in the case of Type 10 powerpack for Altay. WS-10 would cause the same issue as AL-31, and China wouldn't export WS-15 either.
>>64327336>If they settle for AL-31 Kaan will be underpoweredThe AL-31 FM2/FN2 (which they export) is of the same thrust class as the latest F110...
>>64327296It's free market, because anyone with the funding capability can start a company up and attempt to compete for the work contract.Or is SpaceX not a private enterprise just because it's primarily a military serving entity?It's not a free market structure even though Textron and LoneStar Systems of the NGSW program, and the half dozrn others who attempted to comlete in first round, aren't free market enterprises?Come the fuck on man.
>>64327358I meant to add>and a half dozen other companies you've never heard of until I said to open up the NGSW wiki pageAnd>aren'tAre*
>>64327345It would be the sole realistic alternative then.
>>64327358>gives examples of companies from the US or close alliesAnd as soon as you move out that umbrella you end with severe restriction and plain vetoes after the compulsory licensing of a foreign design to an American company. Geopolitics override free market.And internal politics also overrides free market because the goverment has been incapable of not falling for bribery or urgency (because the US gov doesn't owns most IP to make engines) so having multiple engine providers is a necessity and they select competitors accordingly to avoid problems in the future (as a side effect it works to fund research in the losing company).
>>64326716>China found that they can't build good ICETheir bike engines are perfectly fine and in some cases (looking at you 2000s rotax fuck urselfs) better manufactured than the originals
>>64327358SpaceX don't serve the military primarily, they exist mostly as a self-licking ice cream cone that serves their own interests as a global internet service provider
>>64327392I'm just giving examples of the market structure I live in, not comparing this to Erdogan causing their own problems by being two faced.
>>64327452And? I dropped a simple post in relation to turbofan engines in general, you dug your own hole by trying force your wrong idea of free market related to complex military equipment and MIC companies.
>>64326658Damn that thing is fugly. Massive flat belly that is half intakes. It's gotta have absolute dogshit range with all the drag and minimal body lift that belly will bring.
>>64326921I wonder how many meat cubes per square km. I think you're on to something, I think we could actually standardize the meatcube as a measurement of area
Türkiye has 6000 lbf and 10000 lbf turbofan engines available. TEI says they will make 35000 lbf engine prototype run by 2028
>>64326672China is definitely possible because Pakistan are currently working on building a facility to manufacture a local version of KAAN in Pakistan aka roach plane with chink engines and paki input.
>>64327934What a disgusting prospect. It's like Frankenstein but with dog meat.
>>64326658Reported for off topic.You think you're slick? Mentioning weapons in an overtly /pol/ post?You're not slick. You're a faggot cuckold, nothing more.
>>64326716TEI can produce third generation single crystal superalloy turbine blades (stuff americans had in late 1980s)
>>64327897>>64327975Considering the massive investment it doesn't look too bad. 2028 timeline is far too ambitious though.
>>64327975A Turkish helicopter with Turkish designed and built Turboshaft engine. Hopefully we are going to see TF6000 and TF10000 engines fly in 2026
>>64326668That question is a bit unspecific. Anybody can make their own engines. The important question is how good they will be. They may have half the T/W ratio and a tenth of the MTBF of top of the line US or European engines.
>>64328001that project is ongoing since early 2010s. I believe they will make that 35000 lbf engine run on the ground by 2028
>>64327463I wasn't the first one who brought up the term free market. That was someone else.
>>64326676There are only three companies in the world capable of producing a combustion chamber with ebam 3D printer, and one of them is TEI. There are five companies in the world with fourth-generation single-crystal technology, and one of them is TEI. There are a few companies in the world with CMC material technology, and one of them is TEI. None of these are available to Ukraine or Russia.
>>64328210God I can't wait until all of these modern gen machine-assisted FEA part design guys find out the "extra" material of the old school design thought was contributing to part fatigue lifespan.Oh wait I won't live that long because I'm going to die in one of the planes that fails because of it.
>>64326725Ready to settle down...
>>64327393Yeah not auto engines. That's why they're pushing so hard for EVs. Capture domestic auto market from foreign firms and export their way into foreign auto markets are low prices. The smartphone model with Blackberry, Motorola, and Nokia. They're still behind Apple/Samsung, but in a much more competitive position
>>64328402They have like 3 companies that are making half-death contraption EVs and the rest are full death contraptions you shouldn't let your kids be within 10 meters of.
>>64328336anon, additive manufacturing is the future
>>64328433Have you seen the prototype that shoots out a flaming battery at passerbys
>>64328446Yes, yes I have.Correction: not within 20 meters.
>>64326714Do you dumb fucking browns shilling for Pidoristan really not know Turkey and Russia are strategic rivals? Turkey has shot down more Russian planes than the US ever has. Turkey gave Ukraine Bayaktars for cheap precisely to undermine Russia.
The jidf sure hates Turkey.
>>64326663I think its is matter of KAAN do and KAAN't do attitudes.
>>64328643Our israeli friends are aware that their country is absolute zero in engine technology and a muslamic nation building their own engines make them quite uneasy
>>64328610Russia gave up on both Syria and Armenia, where do you think Russia and Turkey are still rivals?
>>64327954What do you think the JF-17 is?It uses a Russian RD-93Has a Chinese airframe Uses a Turkish targeting podHas British ejection seatsHas Pakistani standoff munitions Can yeet US sidewinders
>>64326813This is delusional, for what you said to be true, the ECP has to not exist. What you achieve by subsidies is betting with other people's money that you took by force. You can hardly call that a healthy incentive, the aerospace industry is significantly hampered if anything by govt interference to the point we still essentially use 60s tech>>64327181Tech produced during the war is trash after the war, as it wasn't priced properly, "free market" trash dives to make a profit out by default, worthless things. You can't exactly profit all that much by Tanks and planes as the soviets found out in the 50-60s, especially if you keep your command economy as centralized as possible>>64327254State capitalism is an oxymoron, a state inherently cannot operate under market forces without completely swearing off taxation or legal manipulation>>64327265This is a slowly collapsing system rather than immediately collapsing one. >17th century britain and it's military policies were far more effective than modern ones. If WW1 krauts are to be an example: >Privateered boats, mostly u boats, sidestepping the mutiny problem and the baden class dreadnoughts being scrapped entirely>Actual food production based on real prices>Berlin nearly completely bankrupt and Prussian supremacy broken to the improvement of overall german morale>Allies not as deeply offended and all but colonized by the krauts due the people wanting to do so being basically unemployed >Total SPD death throught the country, not even willy can save them due to lack of centralized powerKrauts would have been able fight on until the 40s with worthless efforts like surface ships, pointless offensives and after ukies are secured, rationing gone. They would have simply won by their opponents collapsing before them despite their lack of rubber and prussian seething
>>64328800That is so far outside of the scope and intent of prior discussion that it quickly went into nonsense.Thank you. Now I need to bleach my brain to recover some lost IQ.
>>64328823I apologize for nothing as this is the problem on the root cause of the discussion at hand. I infact abhor you and recommend the immediate launching of you by catapult to the finest russian trench in Ukraine for the criminal offense of not finding the idea of dieselpunk U-boat pirates. Have a good day you Hamiltonian slut
>>64328346with russian refineries
>>64326668Rolls-Royce is helping them but there seems to trouble with the agreements.Turks want tech transfer, Britain is a bit apprehensive.
>>64328912If bongs licensed the Spey to China then a 1980s core shouldn't be a problem.
>>64326776They don’t lol.That “blade battery” sardine can setup leads to hotspots forming.
>>64327975>TEI can produce third generation single crystal superalloy turbine bladesBut can they do it at scale, outside of a controlled production run that isn't limited to time constraints and costs, without sacrificing quality? The single crystal blades are only one part of the equation, too. The ultra-high temp coatings applied to those turbine blades to make them last, (not grow and encounter creep, or rubbing) be efficient (work, reliably, at high temps), and have that coating not degrade, debond and flake off, etc is just as important and even harder to master than casting a single crystal blade. The chinks are having the same problems because they can't into material science, and I suspect turkroaches are too, as they can't just still that technology from Germany like they do everything else.
>>64327345>The AL-31 FM2/FN2 (which they export) is of the same thrust class as the latest F110...Proof? And how long does it last before you have to swap the whole engine out for a new one, like all Soviet junk? At what altitude are they doing their thrust ratings at? What altitude do the F110s do their thrust ratings at? What is the Specific Fuel Consumption (SFC) for both?
>>64328210>There are only three companies in the world capable of producing a combustion chamber with ebam 3D printer, and one of them is TEI.Proof? Because that pic is of laser sintered powder, not EBAM.>There are five companies in the world with fourth-generation single-crystal technology, and one of them is TEI.Proof?>There are a few companies in the world with CMC material technology, and one of them is TEI.Proof?And no, being able to make a limited run of something in basically lab settings means fuck all.
>>64329764Do you even know how engines are tested?The rest is off-topic, you can discuss it with someone else.
>>64328720Does it matter when they control the #1 in engine technology and get gifted whatever they want
>>64328800You have actual brain damage or you're a 14 year old quasi libertarian who somehow found an archived forum from 2008 to base your entire worldview on
>>64329802>Do you even know how engines are tested?Yes, obviously you don't since you think a post maintenance static firing test is how engines are thrust rated. Why do you think during development, those engines go to the Arnold Engineering Development Complex (AEDC) in the Engine Test Facility (ETF) to be up in their altitude chamber?https://www.arnold.af.mil/About-Us/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/409287/engine-test-facility/>The rest is off-topic, you can discuss it with someone else.All of my questions are on point to comparing the AL-31 FM2/FN2 to the F110 series. You just can't answer them so you sperg out.
>>64330220You should know the conditions for which you can find the usual 'official specs' and that are the most common on the internet, especially if they add some extra figure like air flow to check for coherency and avoid ambiguity.Btw you're free to post a complete T(M, h) plot for the F110-GE-129 or -132, that's the minimum necessary to do the comparisons you seem interested in.>And inb4 'fake figures', there're ways to do a little of extra checking with the info that Salyut or Saturn published for the original 31F and the subsequent updates, but that is irrelevant on /k/.
>>64327258I have no idea anymore, man. I think it's gotta be ~35, but at the same time, I'm surprised that anyone here still recognizes phpBB smileys, so there must be a lot of zoomers and late millennials.
>>64330573phpBB is probably early millenials. Social media started eating forums' lunch in the middle of the aughts.
>>64328732>Russia gave up on both Syria and ArmeniaThey were presented that as fact, they didn't have a choice and thus it wasn't their choice to make.
>>64330573>phpBB smileysMy friend, all the cool boards had those customized
good they should start buying from honest engine sellers only.
>>64330720Fake picture and nobody has ever believed you.Tie a long rope around your neck and jump from the nearest 30 meters building.
>>64327934aren't pakis getting j-35?
>>64330720My favorite thing about this isn't that you're using the shipping weights for engine assemblies, or even that you think the F119 has a worse thrust to weight ratio than the non-classified and exported F100 it was based on, it's that you think it's both heavier (by 1300lb) and less powerful (by 5000lb of thrust) at the same time than the exported F100 from 1989.Really high-IQ and multipolar take.
>>64326754You’re retarded and you didn’t even read.>>64326770No, you’re just a huge faggot.
>>64326796Except I deal with CATL products professionally. In the US.Wanna tell us who makes the cells in Europe bound Tesla model3/y’s?
>>64327358You’re fucking retarded and you have never dealt with government contracts. And apparently you’ve never heard of barriers of entry.
>>64330334You’re talking to a retard who’s furiously googling things he doesn’t understand.
Making the engine is as difficult as making the rest of the airplane.Designing a new engine is way more difficult than designing the rest of the plane.Assuming you are making modern stuff. You could change that by making a relatively primitive engine and combining it with a relatively modern plane. That would work, but it would result in problems. Modern planes have lots of electronics that consume lots of energy and require lots of cooling. Both the energy generation and the cooling is either done directly by the engine or is integrated into the engine because of all the cold air passing through it. And one of the characteristics that make modern engines modern is their ability to generate lots of elecricity without sacrificing kinematic performance.So no, the vile roaches will not be making a viable engine of their own design any time soon. They have to grovel for a tech transfer.And in regards to said groveling, jet engines are not simple plug and play devices. If the plane was designed with an American engine in mind and they decide to try their luck with a Russian or Chinese engine, that's another year or two worth of redesigning the plane to make everything properly compatible.
>>64330334https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/42775563.pdf
>>64331180>Wanna tell us who makes the cells in Europe bound Tesla model3/y’s?Tesla, duh
>>64331180>who makes the cells in Europe bound Tesla model3LG and Panasonic.https://electrek.co/2020/11/03/tesla-tsla-new-battery-cells-panasonic-faster-charging-capacity/
>>64331297>2020That was ages ago. For outdated NCA cells we are at:https://electrek.co/2023/10/11/tesla-4680-battery-cell-production-breakthrough/For relevant LFP cells we are at:https://electrek.co/2025/07/01/tesla-unveils-lfp-battery-factory-claims-almost-ready/>Like several other automakers using LFP cells, Tesla relies heavily on Chinese manufacturers for its battery cell supply.>Tesla’s cheapest electric vehicles all utilize LFP cells, and its entire range of energy storage products, Megapacks and Powerwalls, also employ the more affordable LFP cell chemistry from Chinese manufacturers.>This reliance on Chinese manufacturers is less than ideal and particularly complicated for US automakers and battery pack manufacturers like Tesla, amid an ongoing trade war between the US and virtually the entire world, including China.>The automaker had secured older manufacturing equipment from one of its battery cell suppliers, CATL, and planned to deploy it in the US for small-scale production.>Tesla has now released new images of the factory in Nevada and claimed that it is “nearing completion”:so congrats to the Americans for being able to run an old CATL factory in small-scale.
>>64331351You said EUROPEAN Model 3s you retarded fuck.
>>64331381>>64331351Also:>LFP was a US/Canada invention, with Arumugam Manthiram and John B. Goodenough doing much of the early work, and researchers in Quebec making several contributions to help with commercialization.ror rmao even. China can't invent, and can only steal and undercut like the yellow kikes they are. SICK MAN OF EAST ASIA.
>>64331179What is it with chinkshills who just ignore facts
>>64326748The fun part this reveals about the russian mind is that there is a stick so far up their ass (stick lmao) about their own faggotry that they can't conceive you'd get drunk, put on a dress, laugh your ass off, and NOT have sex with men. Like you can do it for funsies and not for reals. It's ok, it's not gonna make you gay to put on leather chaps unless you're already gay.You just can't feel this way if you're slightly below a black lab in brain watts.
>>64326748Didn't this run on Russian TV?
>>64326784>perfectly normal minds volunteer for Drone Hell
>>64331381You’re a fucking moron.Almost all Tesla LFP cells are either from China or from licensed Chinese production lineshttps://www.electrive.com/2022/08/11/tesla-to-use-byd-batteries-in-german-gigafactory/
>>64331602>>64331180>who makes the cells in Europe bound Tesla model3/y’s?Cope
>>64331610Are you actually retarded? Seems like you are. Which market do you think Gigafactory Berlin primarily serves? Who is one of the largest importer of Chinese EV into Europe?
>>64331351>>Tesla’s cheapest electric vehicles all utilize LFP cells, and its entire range of energy storage products,LFP cells have about half the energy capacity of conventional lithium ion cells. The upside is that they are cheaper and do not explode as easily. But you wont get high performance out of them.
>>64331383>>LFP was a US/Canada invention, with Arumugam Manthiram and John B. Goodenough doing much of the early work, and researchers in Quebec making several contributions to help with commercialization.That was literally 30 years ago but this technology was commercialized in China, not America, because America is a financialized service economy, not a production economy. American R&D is basically advanced patent trolling.
>>64331904Check out BYD blade LFPs against ternary batteries from 5 years ago. That gap is closing.
>>64327897>Türkiye
>>64326668China still can't build quality jet engines, and you think turkey will be able to do it in the coming century?
>>64331383And that's why the US have the patents to make prismatic LFP with capacity comparable to Li-ion with metal oxide cathodes. Oh wait.
>>64330068>t. Hamiltonian seaman on a british merchant marine as he gets raided by wolfbeard the submarine privateer
>>64331991Except China can and does.But it’s gonna be hard for Turkey
>>64332268They can make engines for sure, but they are still inferior to Western engines. I have yet to find any OSINT claim otherwise
>>64334636Because they’re new and you don’t even look. They make a rough F119 analogue. At scale. Who else can do that?
>>64335069You mean the WS15? I'm implessed at them finally getting rid of the Russian cores and scaled up production after only a couple of years but anyone who says they can get the same dry thrust or higher reheat thrust can be laughed at.
>>64332268This board is pretty retarded about Chinese capability (le heckkin implessive), but if theres one area where China absolutely does not have an edge, it's engines/turbines. They are absolutely third place behind the West/Russia. And since Russia doesn't have the budget to build even fucking motorcycle engines, they're not even relevant at the moment. Call me when a turbofan made in the PRC reaches even 2/3 the reliability of US/western made equivalents.
>>64326668It's literally the last skill in the countries tech tree. Only the chosen ones got to unlock it. Turkey is not and will never be one of them. Simple as.
>>64326926>Do you really believe they released all thier nukes back to Russia? Hint, they did not.ukraine didn't have the means to deliver them to begin with, let alone the means to maintain them in any 'active' statusukraine wasn't forced to give up "their" nukes, they were told:>ukraine either return them or they won't be able to interact with the international community. Their choices were either submit or go North Korea mode over weapons they have no ability to use. Not even a real choice.and anyway the primary concern was they would disassemble the missiles/cores and sell every single part of it to nebulous shadow nations/orgs outside of nato's knowledge>you would absolutely get caught moving anything "radioactive/nuclear" anyway, no chance of not getting detected there
>>64335129WS10 is on a CFM56 core, tardo. In fact China never had a domestic turbofan project move into mass production based in saturn designs>>64335172West? Lol. EJ200s and M88s are not in the same league as F119/135 and WS15. I don’t have Chinese MTBF/MTTR figures, but we know what the PLAAF training tempo is, so it’s pretty obvious they’re doing something right
>>64335978The EJ200 is better than anything chinkalnd can ever produce
>>64335172>>64332268The problem isnt that China cant build engines. They can build engines, the question should always be about what the mean time to failure is for their engines are. And thats around ~1500 hours, in comparison, the F35/F22 engines avgs ~2500 hrs before needing repair.So their jet engines engineering isnt as mature as western industry is, but its still functional.
>>64335510Ukraine has a very formidable nuclear engineering corpus, they absolutely have the capability to make and maintain nuclear weapons
>>64336293You’re a fucking moron and you should neck yourself now.
>>64337112implessive
>>64335266/k/ is always wrong. Türkiye already has 6000 & 10000 lbf indigenous turbofans. 35000 lbf turbofan is only a matter of time.
>>64335978Why lie when even the biggest shills say it's a success case of reverse engineering? >>64338228Yes, now post the TWR at altitude and TBO figures.
>>64328800Neat, an actual schizoid and not a LARPer
>>64338458These figures have not been publicly disclosed by TEI but you are already debunked, why insist on humiliation?
>>64338499>An 6000lbf 1:1 bypass engine that was tested last year and has never seen flight is indicative of the incredible prowess of Turkish engineeringlol, lmao
