what happened to it?
Still in the pipe, its been given NSNs if that means anything to you. I don't think that automatically means its officially being procured, but presumably trials are ongoing.
>>64326816imo there will be no new cartidge adopted as we are facing a large scale conflict it makes no sense to change 5.56 or 7.62 nato
>>64326983considering its a socom driven project, I don't think adding yet another boutique calibre to their logistics will even be noticed regardless of whether theres a war on.
>>64326816https://soldiersystems.net/2025/06/02/canada-pursues-nato-stanag-of-6-5-x-43/https://soldiersystems.net/2025/06/11/nsns-for-lightweight-intermediate-caliber-carbine/tldr LICC is alive and well, total sigger dead
>>64327021>With an eye to the future, CANSOFCOM is pursuing a NATO Standardization Agreement (STANAG) for 6.5 x 43 mm in partnership with at least one additional NATO member. At this point, the other party has not been disclosed. However, I know it is not the US, which has been working on the 6.8 x 51mm common case cartridge as their path forward.Not necessarily. SOCOM openly and unabashedly never gave a single fuck about NGSW, nor did the marines, navy or air force. I think the marines are committed to the M27, but the other two could reasonably have an interest in the LICC. Its not like they'd be any less ignorant of the issues the M7 has been having than anybody else, and having the USAF adopt the lightweight futuristic gun while the army gets stuck with the boat anchor would be a poetic repetition of the M16 adoption.
>>64326816I have a question for anons with the knowledge: why is the case two parts ? IF it's all stainless steel ?
>>64327105If I had to guess I'd say it's because it's easier to make a stronger case head if you're not also worried about trying to draw the body from the same material.
>>64326816People coping and seething about 6.8 common being the goat. People literally only care about 6.5 Grendel 2.0 because they don't like sig. SIGs cartridge is actually a huge step up in capability. Noguns think a 13" gun that has the ballistics of a 22" 6.5CM is a waste of time and they're retarded and blindly following memes.>>64326998SOCOM adopting a 22" musket in 6.5CM to own the siggers will never not be funny to me. They need to move on from their competition cartridge like people who shilled for and competed with it did.They're literally just buying random shit now. 6mm ARC is also a meme.If I was head of doge I'd completely gut SOCOM weapon procurement and make them use standard issue guns + some memes like 338LM and 300BO. All their random cartridge shit is retarded and so is their snowflake logistics chain.
>>64327105Weight savings plus the primer pocket is machined and not drawn. It needs to be thick to avoid blowing out primers and suffer fatigue cracking and blown primers when drawn.
>>64327234>if I were head of doge I’d gimp our military>imblygn that African retard isn’t already doing that
>>64327234Nobody wants to touch that sigger shit
>>64327244>It's gimped to demand retards not spend hundreds of millions on grift contracts for no benefitNigger they literally have 300WM, 300NM,338LM,and 338LM in inventory. It's a fucking scam. Plus they're running 7.62 NATO AND 6.5CM and are now demanding the LAMG in 7.62 NATO.They need to be reigned in. 6.8 sigger can cover every caliber I just listed except the 338s of which they need to use 338LM instead of min max fagging for a 5% gain at the cost of literally no one else in NATO using the round.I'm not even going to get into their retarded AR variants all of which are basically M4A1s in drag. INTO THE TRASH!
>>64327234>SOCOM adopting a 22" musket in 6.5CM to own the siggers They've been using various creedmeme AR10s since like 2016. MRGG was just a formalized branch-wide adoption.
>>64327273I'm aware. It's a garbage musket. Remember the original justification was not needing 308 and 300wm rifles.We saw how that played out.
>>64327273>>64327281It's been mostly consolidated down. 338NM is a belt fed meme. Unclear why you're so butthurt.
>>64327105It's a Shell Shock Technologies case. I think it's because the case head is harder to form and has more material than the rest of the case, so it works out cheaper and lighter if you made it out of aluminum and joined it to the nickel-steel alloy case wall later.I believe SIG uses machined steel for their hybrid case heads.
>AK piston
>>64327266I’m aware of what we use lmao stay mad poor man
>>64327752DI is dead
>>64327752>it's trueYike. Won't stop me from liking the thing, but that's pretty questionable. Maybe it has something to do with the trilug bolt?
>>64327915nvm the XCR has a short stroke gas
>>64326816this gun is pure sexo
>>64327915It's honestly very weird decision What's was NATO's last long-sroke piston gun? M1 Garand?
>>64326816>that ejection port slotswappable ejection?
>>64327234>SIGs cartridge is actually a huge step up in capabilityexcept the gun is bad, the cartridge is too much for a general issue carbine and the ammunition as currently designed and manufactured is 6moa garbage.
>>64327696>>64327798>Do something retarded>That's retarded>Lmao why you so mad?Okay
>>64328231>Match ammo is better>The gun itself is shit>It shouldn't be standard issueCompletely separate arguments independent of the 6.8 Common. I'm in favor of a 3 cartridge solution. 50, 6.8, and 5.56 tbqhwy
>>64327105Stainless steel can't be formed like brass. So the thick part is turned on a lathe and the thin part is formed from sheet.
>>64326816Spook XCR. Hopefully the newer 6.8 mag standard is a similar COAL to 264 so I can get a lower for this eventually>>64327239DingdingdingCase wall is also thinner than a comparable brass case, adding a bit of volume (in the case of nas3, but 264 may be slightly different)>>64328006Only the type 2 gas. Carbines are for the most part an adjustable gas long stroke>>64327234Idk I'd rather have 264 spook. You don't need 308 cartridges in a general use carbine unless your fighting 9+ ft brown bears
>>64328239>ussof is the uncontested special operations world wide champ>we do what we want as a result>some retard on a peruvian wheat harvesting forum gets assblasted about it >retard is so assblasted he fantasizes about gimping the most lethal fighting force in historyYeah dude you seem well adjusted and normal
>>64328328>The most lethal fighting force in history >Brutally mogged by afghan cave dwellers with PKMs
>>64328345>brutally mogged by RoEFTFY. We are very efficient at killing. The most efficient, probably
>>64328357>The most efficient >Has lost every war since WW2What?
>>64328381>RoE
>>64328328>Yeah dude you seem well adjusted and normalMike fuck off. Youre the definition of not adjusted popping roids and murdering random people in their sleep for decades. Not normal even for a soldier tbqhwy.
>>64328401You lost to literal subhumans, get over it already
>>64328451I didn't lose to anyoneYou, however, are clearly coping by insisting to be offtopic
>>64328451Not to derail the thread, but you do realize it was your guy who signed the Doha Agreement that effectively handed the country to the Talibs, right? His first great deal, even managed to fuck his successor over in the the process.RoE was involved even here. As part of the agreement, US aircraft were prohibited from striking Taliban forces if they were more than 500 meters away from Americans or ANA, so the clever hajis just shot at them from exactly that distance.Just fuck off.
>>64326816brutally raped by the SIG .277 FURY>>64328536they would've destroyed everyone if they had the new SIG
>>64328416Those sleeping people deserved it
>>64327234>a 13" gun that has the ballistics of a 22" 6.5CMThis would be impressive if the gun wasn't 6 MOA.
>>64326816Dumb niggas will do ANYTHING but use a 20 inch AR
>>64330017based m16 chad
>>64329139Gun issue not a cartridge issue. Completely separate argument.
>>64330140>Gun issue not a cartridge issue.Sure, but the gun is made the way it is because they were trying to make it shoot ammo with 80k psi, and they failed and settled for 70k psi. It was the extremely powerful cartridge that led to the rifle with many shortcomings (that have not been fixed).
>>64330412cannot be fixed
>>64330412They literally just made a di at in this caliber and fly by night companies do too. Your fear of a high psi cartridge because you read about it online is fucking STUPID. It's the equivalent of someone used to black crying about smokeless.
>>64326816>what happened to it?Military being retarded. >5.56 kinda sucks>We want something better, but exactly the same>AR 15 kinda sucks>We want something better, but exactly the sameThey understand the problem, but instead of working past towards new solutions, they keep trying to fit the same mold, leading to unsatisfactory outcomes.
>>64330530>Your fear of a high psi cartridgeI'm not afraid of it; I wish they would have succeeded in their 80k psi goal and actually produced an accurate and durable gun in the process. I merely pointed out that the gun shooting it is 6 MOA due to all the compromises in making it. There are smoothbore shotguns shooting slugs more accurately than the XM7 shoots the round; you're dick-riding.
>>64327915prolly to feed steel more reliably ?
>>64327752>>64327915>long strokeLong vs short stroke really doesn't make a difference for the function of the gun, it's just a packaging question. They probably designed the gun and then noticed that they get some minor benefit by going to long stroke.>trilugMore strength for longer lifespan at high operating pressures.Given the same size a 7 lug bolt is much weaker than 3 or 2 lug bolt.
>>64332296When you don't have to maintain ar15 compatibility you can go a bit bigger on bolt face. I've always felt the ar15 bolt was a bit smallIf they've mimic'd the XCR upper in any way, there's a lot of surface area for the oprod carrier to ride and interface with the upper. It shifts the recoil induced wear elsewhere. This could potentially be a disadvantage like the cz75 full length slide rails filling with crap slowing the action, but for the most part it's self cleaning.AFAIK there are no public pics of the operating system guts so we still have to speculate.
>>64331181>you're dick-riding.You're ignorant and can't keep up with the program. Accuracy has been addressed. It's a gun issue now not an ammunition issue. That was done by dropping the pressure to 77k for consistency. Now the rail needs to be fixed.Winchester even got good regarding the discard rate on the round.Youre the dickrider here not even aware of the guns issues. All it is is a heavy mcx. Rail is fucked. Once fixed it'll be good to go.If your info isn't literally sub 90 days old you don't know what you're talking about with this program.
>>64333529>Accuracy has been addressed.No, it hasn't. The "superior" match ammo makes the new guns 2 MOA, LOL. Forget 6.5 Creedmoor; that's worse than .308.>It's a gun issue now not an ammunition issue.>That was done by dropping the pressure to 77k for consistency.Pick one, LOL.>All it is is a heavy mcx.Another gun that had problems, LOL.
>>64333610>It's 2MOAIt isn't but that's perfectly acceptable and better than the tdp for the M4.Are you retarded or just pretending?>Pick oneIt was a combination of multiple factors one of which is now fixed.>Another gun that had problemsYeah it's the rail like I said spergtard.
>>64334661>It isn'tThat's because it's worse if it's using any ammo that isn't the match ammo.>but that's perfectly acceptable and better than the tdp for the M4.Not for a precision/DMR rifle, you doofus. The military accepted 4 MOA with the original M14 and M-16 back when they expected the rifles to have an engagement range of 300 meters or less. The whole reason to not use an intermediate cartridge this time and return to a fully-powered cartridge was to be able to hit targets from farther away. >Are you retarded or just pretending?Well, I read your replies to other people, and it seems more likely that you're devoid of brain cells rather than everyone else. I suppose you wouldn't have the capacity to realize that.You going...>I said its been fixed, if you don't believe me you're retarded.... is a non-argument, but you do you, dumbass.
>>64334661>barely an improvement over a tdp from 1968Damn what a high bar siggers have vaulted here.
>>64334880>That's because it's worse if it's using any ammo that isn't the match ammo.There is no match ammo. Cite a aingle source showing production of mil ammo.>Not for a dmrIt isn't a dmrAgain what the FUCK are you talking about? The cartridge is perfect and a massive upgrade over 6.5CM and 7.62 which was my entire argument. You're babbling about the M7 like it's relevant.>>64334884>Get btfo>N...no it's old so it doesn't count anywayNigger make up your mind. The 6.8 is going to be some of the most accurate mass produced ammo ever fielded. Cope more.
>>64329139>if the gun wasn't 6 MOA.I guess you're agreeing then, since it isn't and the only person who concluded it is was either a retard or a scam artist and did the shooting with the optics rail fucking unscrewed. Fucking wish I was joking.
>>64328282>50, 6.8, and 5.56 tbqhwyThe .338 Norma Mab ousting the .50BMG M2s seems worthwhile to me
>>64332296>Long vs short stroke really doesn't make a difference for the function of the gunIt does affect barrel harmonics and recoil impulse, although the differences are smaller than the change from any of blowback, delayed blowback, tilting breach, DI or manual to either of the normal piston systems with a rotating bolt.
>>64334942>There is no match ammo.Anon, SIG has already made 4 different loadings for the cartridge, one of the four is the "accurate" match ammo (only 60k psi). There is also the regular "elite" ammo (also 60k psi), the ammo that the military is currently fielding (not for civilians 77k psi), and their theoretical tungsten core rounds (not for civilians either, also 77k psi) that they'll make if our enemies start wearing level IV plates. None of the 77k psi ammo has had good accuracy.>You're babbling about the M7 like it's relevant.>"You're babbling about the gun this cartridge was designed for."The M250 also wasn't too accurate, but then again, it doesn't need to be when you're depending on accuracy by volume of fire.>>64334942>Nigger make up your mind.>Cope more.You're so brain-dead that you haven't realized it's multiple people responding to you, picrel.>The 6.8 is going to be some of the most accurate mass produced ammo ever fielded.Then why are you struggling so hard to prove this claim? You've only been repeating it all thread to 3-4 different people.
>>64328239>>Do something retarded>>That's retarded>>Lmao why you so mad?Yeah, the long-stroke piston is retarded
>>64334990>SIG has already made 4 different loadings for the cartridgeWinchester (olin) produces military ammo. Of which there are no match loadings currently in mass production.>Prove it's a DMRIt isn't. Sperg.It's already better in terms of accuracy than M855. Cry more.>>64334958>seems worthwhile to meIt's cool until you realize their excuse is abandoning 7.62 which is fucking retarded. Plus 338 simply doesn't have the payload necessary for specialty loads. 50 bmg doesn't either compared to bigger rounds but it's not completely gimped like 338.
>>64335009>Prove it's a DMRYou said the cartridge was accurate, and now you've been asked to prove your claim that it's accurate. If you can't, then you're full of shit. LOL>It's already better in terms of accuracy than M855.Again, prove it. LOL>Cry more.Anon, we can all tell you are projecting. This thread was about the IWS .264 and you started sperging about 6.8x51mm completely unprompted. Nobody else was talking about 6.8 until you started dick-riding a different cartridge and seething against the 6 people who didn't worship your dumb statement.
>>64335084LMAO you're not even moving the goalposts you're just running around with shit in your pants.>Prove it's accurateWeren't you claiming SIG made match ammo for the round two posts ago?>I'm not samefagging you're talking to multiple peopleYeah no shit that's why I quoted two people. Are you autistic?
Fuck off sigger
>>64335136>Weren't you claiming SIG made match ammo for the round two posts ago?That's still 2 MOA; that's pathetic, LOL. Plus their match ammo is the 60k psi ammo, not the 77k psi that the military is using. That being said you still havent proved your claim from... >>64333529>Accuracy has been addressed.... and...>>64334942>The 6.8 is going to be some of the most accurate mass produced ammo ever fielded.... and...>>64335009>It's already better in terms of accuracy than M855.Wow, you've been making false claims for a while, LOL. Being full of shit must be your life's passion.
>>64327234>SIGs cartridge is actually a huge step up in capability.The only thing useful out of it is the bimetal cartridge for hot loading actual rifles. The round itself is absolute garbage and so is the rifle.
>>64335304Uh huh.>>64335362Nah it matches 6.5 creed out of a shorter barrel. Pretty much what every cartridge has been moving toward for years now. IMO 6.5 CM is obsolete now that the 6MMs are taking over competitions and the .277/7mms are revitalizing the hunting market. It was a very quick flash in the pan cartridge that immediately stopped making sense once they tried to make it viable in gas guns outside of competition use. People were claiming the long barrel ballistics while wanting it to shoot out of 16" guns.
>>64328175Yes.
It's the most interesting recent small arms cartridge after 6.5 Grendel.And, ought have been the new USA and NATO standard small arms cartridge.
>>64326816The AR15 is this generation's Winchester '73, it is the standard intermediate cartridge rifle that all others are compared to. Since time is a flat circle the AR15 will slowly be replaced by civilians and militaries seeking more performance, after the '73 came the '94 chambered in 3030, which was a significant upgrade at the time. We will see a new standard one day, but we are currently in the experimentation phase so it'll be quite a while.
>>64327234Yeah a huge step up in cost, weight, pressure, and case ruptures.
>>64334976>It does affect barrel harmonics and recoil impulseIt does not. In both systems the gas piston provides an impulse to the bolt carrier. Both of them are off axis from the barrel.The only difference is whether the piston is attached to the carrier or a separate part.
>70 postsWhich part of this thread discusses OP topic?
Why did this entire thread become about the upchuck-M7
>>64335417It's the most interesting recent small arms cartridge after 6.5 Grendel.And, ought have been the new USA and NATO standard small arms cartridge.6.8 anything and .277 slop = Garbage
>>64339454>6.5 GrendelThe cartridge inferior to 6mm ARC? Okay.
>>64327234>SIGs cartridge is actually a huge step up in capability.why not just use the tech for 556?
>>64339766every cartridge is inferior to 6.5 Grendel, <--greatest invention of modern small arms
>>64339766>>64339865well except for FN IWS .264
7mm rem mag would have addressed the intermediate cartridge problem better and I wouldn’t have to read so many faggots arguing about it.
>>64339898I know what you mean anon but we're talking about cartridges that can feasibly be used in a select fire infantry rifle. Also belted magnums aren't ideal for multi-small arm mil use (in machine guns for example)6.5 Creedmoor, 7 Rem Mag are too big for an "intermediate" <--hate the categorizations but here we are cartridge to be used in an infantry rifle, it needs to be sized comparable to the 5.56 OALAnyway the OP FN IWS .264 is the most advanced and optimal yet available.
>>64339766It's a bit smol264 gets similar BC with more charge volume
>>64340132The .264/6.5x43mm does seem interesting, but 6.5x39mm/6.5 Grendel has already been outclassed. Grendel belongs in a museum; it has the same BC as 6mm ARC, less flat shooting than 6mm ARC, slower than 6mm ARC, similar bullet weights (90 gr or 108 gr being common); it's just old news. It did do a great job of outperforming 6.8 SPC though.
>>64340204>outclassedNo, it hasn't. .30-06 hasn't been "outclassed"(You) can make an argument that cartridge X outperforms cartridge Y in certain metrics, but each cartridge also has its disadvantages. Barrel burning one of them, but there are others.6.8 was always a fucking joke. Solution to a 'problem' that never existed
>>64339777>why not just use the tech for 556?Because we've got nas3 for that already being fielded. SIGs case in the m250 and rebarreled 240 plus a dmr would be ideal.
>>64340278>No, it hasn't. >.30-06 hasn't been "outclassed"See when two rounds serve a different purpose, then they can both exist alongside one another; however, when two cartridges serve the same purpose, like two intermediate cartridges known as 6.5 Grendel and 6mm ARC, it's unnecessary to own both. The people who already own 6.5 Grendel will continue to use it and the people who are now looking for an upgrade to 5.56 will likely consider the superior cartridge (the 6mm ARC or the .264/6.5x43mm). Look at how .450 Marlin slowly started dying out when 45-70 became the standard, how 6.5 Creedmoor is slowly making .270 Winchester die out, or look at how .38 Colt disappeared when .38 Super came around; the only people who kept the obsolete cartridge were those who bought into it before the upgrade came along.>6.8 was always a fucking joke.The funny thing about this statement is that while I meant 6.8x43mm/6.8 SPC (6.5 Grendel's main competitor in the early 2000s), you could apply this statement to 6.8x51mm/.277 Fury and it'd still be 100% accurate. LOL
