Could the Polish Army realistically hold out against a Russian invasion?
>>64330993yes. If Russia couldn't beat its impoverished neighbor across ideal borders, it will not be able to beat much better armed Poland
>>64330999And what about Russian stockpiles?
>>64331015>doing well>'well'
>>64330999It's the opposite actually. Prior to 2022 Russia had tens of thousands of tanks and armored vehicles, before they all became drone food. Pretty much any army than can hunker down in a trench and spam FPVs can take on Russia these days without too much trouble. Can't forget about their 6 F-35s either
>>64330999>western stockpiles are emptyIs this what ziggers tell themselves? That they spent a million+ lives but it was totes worth it because it cost NATO a lot of ammo?
this is a zigger shill thread>hey guys, i'm totally not a zigger asking an innocent question>my other zigger friends totally won't come into this thread pretending to be westerners and doomposting about the west
>>64330993>holdNo, they won't be able to overcome the urge to cross the border
>>64331084oh, you think this is funny? you won't be laughing when poland only manages to capture a little bit of russia
>>64331015there's more pillars on the right waiting to be filled up btw
>>64331075yeah but its just a humiliation ritual for them at this point. ziggers have no leg to stand on these days and they know it, which is why they've pivoted to spamming chink threads because at least those havent been blown up yet
>>64331102>at least those havent been blown up yetunlike their refineries
>>64330993Isn't Russia at the point where they're sending poorly equipped and untrained 60 year old conscripts into the meatgrinder? At this point I'm pretty sure that Luxembourg could defend its borders against the Russian military.
>>64330993Ukies have been holding for three years, and they're the poorest nation in europe only getting a unreliable trickly of outdated NATO gearAt this point I'm willing to believe that there would be poles squatting on red square within the week if Putin is dumb enough to attack Poland.
>>64330993By itself? No.
>>64330999>But now that the western stockpiles are emptyHow do they keep sending ammo to Ukraine then? Is negative stockpiles a thing?
>>64331101Wasn't this where it was taken at a village where the entire population of adult males were killed in Ukraine?
>>64331138To be fair they were doing that day 1
God please fucking do it, it would be so fucking funny and bleed more out of puccia, maybe that disgusting shithole might actually collapse if they do. The shitposting would be fucking unreal and i'd get to watch thousands more mobiks get cubed.
>>64331138Putin just anounced that he needs 130k~ more fresh meat for the war that they're totally winning.
>>64331063Anon its all they have left now
>>64331214Isn't that just their regular biannual conscription? Twice every year, they draft most of their young men to undergo military training without pay. For some reason, the president has to sign a decree to specify the exact number and make this happen, as if to show he owns their lives.In any case, they're not supposed to serve outside Russia's borders.Though Russia was officially made borderfluid by the way they wrote the annexation of the new oblasts into their law, so there's a lot of gray area there.And many of them will ilkely get pressured into signing a contract.
>>64331185nato sotckpiles are unsigned, so when it reaches zero and you take out more, it wraps up to the maximum value
>>64330993At this rate I think a bunch of girl guides could hold the Russians at bay.
>>64330993right now no, in 2030-2035 and with substantial material support maybe
>>64331231Yep, it's that time of year againFlights from Moscow to Istanbul always look very interesting considering it's the off season lmao>shamelessly phoneposting because I'm taking a shid
Der polack here. Yes and no. Russians would seize some land in the initial push then it would turn into another Ukraine. Polish army is "large" and "powerful", but it suffers from >incompetent nepo baby post-soviet-brained office clerks calling themselves "officers">indecisive politicians who find any risk icky and unnecessary towards the overall goal of skinning the nation of its remaining wealth>a mob of mobik-quality part-time troops that the army decided to inflate its ranks with to look more serious, the actual, trained army is much smaller>shitshow of equipment procurement which favors nepotism and pocket stuffing, see comment about politicians>foreign powers have too much influence on our international politics, should orange man decide we're not supposed to resist his boyfriend then the whole current government will just pack and leave into exile while saying they'll be back in two weeks>in many places the army itself is too dependant on foreign assets to properly function, these assets can be fleeting, see the statement about the orange manIf invasion ever happens, then without solving these issues there will be no talk of kicking out any invaders. You may now call me a vatnik now that I said that le hussars will not arrive.
>>64331015>against the most militarized nation in Europe>a country... in an existential war....has....a....military?>oppenheimer_holding_head.gifWow wait until you see the size of the German military in 1945 versus 1939.
>>64331233perfidious anglo underflow sorcery
>>64331015>muh shovels That one article really made this huge impression on vatniks
>>64331290It's weird, isn't it? Articles go>Guy equipped with shovel made to attack defensive lineAnd that somehow translates to>Russia only has shovels!Like, I don't know why that is supposed to be the takeaway from it and not the fact that Russians have complained about the lack of proper equipment for years and we've SEEN the kind of equipment they get. If they're all armed to the teeth why aren't they assaulting in BMP-3's with BMP-T's and T-14's backing them up instead of doing it on dirt bikes and golf carts. Like I can understand>We're not given anything so I'm going to order a golf cart for my unit so we have a chance of crossing the minefieldBut somehow pointing out a guy attacked with a shovel means that is what the default is.
>>64331270second polack here, this guy is mostly correct but excessively doomer imo >procurement shitshowto be expected with the retard-high defense spending spree Poland is on right now>mobik horde WOT isn't meant for regular frontline duty, but rather local rear security in their home regions and possibly partisan fuckery. It makes sense to use cheap troops for tasks that don't require more expensive units (as long as the retarded nepo baby officers don't start treating them as a spare bloodbag for replenishing regular unit losses)>foreign asset dependence also somewhat unavoidable when you don't have a first rate world class military. I'm just glad there's an actual effort being made to move as much defense manufacturing back to Poland as possible
>>64331233Dubs of anglo sorcery. There are multiple Boris Johnsons forcing the negative int overflow right now.
>>6433099315 brave guys in a toyota could beat russian invasion right now
>>64330993Long enough to jump into tanks and get over there from here in germany, I presume. The rustards know they would lose a conventional war, thats why they are shitting and pissing and spouting about red lines for ages. if they thought they could win they would have attacked, ukraine being the proof.
>>64330993>realistically>proceeds to ask a hypothetical questionRealistically, Poland, nor any country of the current NATO or EU, in any foreseeable future (we’re talking about a time horizon of several decades) will not be forced to face the sad remnants of the Russian army alone.Finland will no longer have to face Russia alone.Poland will no longer have to face Russia alone.Estonia will no longer have to face Russia alone.Latvia will no longer have to face Russia alone.Lithuania will no longer have to face Russia alone.
>>64331300>why aren't they assaulting in BMP-3's with BMP-T's and T-14's backing them up instead of doing it on dirt bikes and golf carts.Because the nature of this war is completely different and small groups using dirtbikes is much more efficient.Russia pulled their mass armored forces into reserve to be used against NATO.
>>64331325I see... I see.... So when are they using these forces against NATO?
>>64331326When they eventually attack Russia.
>>64331191That's all of them.
>>64330993If you asked me 4 years ago I would have said Poland could delay a Russian advance by a couple of weeks at best without NATO support.Today I think Poland would run a fighting retreat to favourable geography and kill as many Russians as Putin was willing to send. I would also expect Poland to be constantly hitting targets deep in Russia and wiping out the VVS while Putin screams about muh nooks while knowing he can't use them without Russia being removed from the map.
>>64331329Why would a defensive alliance of 54 member states suddenly decide independently to all attack Russia at the same time? Unilateral decision to do so. I know you're shitposting but this is fun.
>>64331088>we didn't need Kaliningrad anyway
>>64330993Poland is considerably more powerful than Ukraine but in a 1v1 situation where no one intervenes I think Russia could edge out a win.Russia has to balance their economy and the war effort because of foreign pressure, so they are fighting I a way that doesn't collapse their country. Russia could realistically double their current millitary spending if no sanctions are involved. Poland also lacks that strategic depth of Ukraine because it's a smaller country so I imagine Russia would have an easier time bombing stuff. Overall in a 1v1 scenario Russia could win in a very costly war that would kill close to a million of their countrymen.(they have 210k KIA in Ukraine). But if anyone intervenes Russia would flat out lose.
>>64331316Corolla or Hilux?
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>>64331313BLYAT!
>>64330993Hot tip, if you want to talk about current year Russia annexing a country stick with Georgia & Azerbaijan.
>>64331337>WhyJust as all the other times when a western alliance tried to invade Russia, resources. America needs to consolidate its power and influence before the war with China by turning western Russia into a colony and Siberia into a buffer zone.The northern flank in now secured with Nordic and Baltic countries but the terrain there is shit and easy to defend. Ukraine is the most critical sector because of the Pontic steppe.This process began in the late 80s when US managed to topple the USSR and chip away integral parts of Russia.
>>64330993Russia very stronk, if Putin wanted he could be in Den Haag tomorrow
>>64331361Why are you so stupid.
>>64331361>muh buffer zone>muh they want our resources blyatGenerations of inbreeding did this didn't it.
>>64331364Why do you suck dick?
>>64331342>Russia could realistically double their current millitary spending if no sanctions are involvedAh yeah. The Russian economy. So strong that so many businessmen, oligarchs and tycoons have mysteriously killed themselves that it has an entire wikipedia entry to it.Ignoring that Russia has done draconian economic stuff to prevent total collapse, ignore VAT is 22% and rising (despite Putin demanding a max of 20%). Ignore that 20% of Russia's oil and gas production is being wrecked by bombings. Ignore that Russia has fuel shortages and food shortages (and Belarus couldn't cover the lack due to them also running out of food)... Why would in this hypothetical situation where Russia hasn't been decimated by the Ukraine War do you think it would go any differently?
>>64331367More like untold generations of political indifference being bred into them
>>64331000even the 2022 AFU was much larger and better-equipped than pooplska thoughbeit
>>64331361This is your brain on krokodil.
>>64331409ok, show me some number and not vibes
>>64331063And to be fair, its not like NATO lacks 5.56 bullets or ATACMs missiles, its just that Ukraine has majority of artillery and other weapon systems as a relict from USSR and NATO simply doesnt have storages full of 152mm. Also I would argue that NATO bestest ally in the middle east dumps much more of its critical resources to get gaza rid of evil sand, than ukraine consumed in the last 3 (three) years.
>>64331361xdddddddruskie kurwy to kurwa stan umyslu
>>64330993Poland is going to have around 500 HIMARS by end of this year. I doubt Russia will be able to do shit desu, also it will not be Poland by itself. There will be American and UK special forces with whatever equipment NATO wants to send.
>>64330999Kyiv in two weeks then, cumrade?
>>64331419I'll compare Ukraine in 2021 (UA) to Poland in 2025 (PL)active personnel: UA: 300k, PL: ~230k.tanks: UA: >700, PL ~600fighter planes: UA: 82, PL: 79Poland is receiving a lot of stuff though so they could overtake ukraine. >inb4 but poland is using western stuff, quality over quantitynope sorrytanks are roughly equivalent. (russo ukrainian war proved this)same goes with planes too, they all drop glide bombs just fine
>>64331361>all the other times when a western alliance tried to invade RussiaBy this western alliance, do you mean embargoed french man, who subdued rest of europe WITH YOUR HELP? By this western alliance, do you mean the response to your curbstomping of Ottoman empire:By this western alliance, do you mean embargoed Austria Hungary in a war with rest of Europe?By this western alliance, do you meanembargoed funny austrian man, who subdued rest of europe WITH YOUR HELP?By this western alliance, do you mean american planes dropping wheat in moscow so you faggots dont get great leap forwarded? Newsflash, WE WERE ALREADY GETTING ALL OF YOUR RESOURCES AT A FAVORABLE MARKET PRICE, cheap gas, cheap nickel, cheap oil, BUT YOU FAGGOTS RUINED IT. All you had to do was to wait a few more years, get some Scholtz 2.0, and everyone would be happy, but you got stupid and greedy. Now die.
>>64331463>tanks are roughly equivalent. (russo ukrainian war proved this)>same goes with planes too, they all drop glide bombs just fineLMAO
>>64331463>tanks are roughly equivalent. (russo ukrainian war proved this)>same goes with planes too, they all drop glide bombs just finebait used to be believable
>>64331371>when confronted with problems, the zigger turns to the one constant in his life: gay fellatio
>>64331463>same goes with planes too, they all drop glide bombs just fineFamous western air combat tactic of glide bombing without DEAD.
>>64331015>m-most militarized nation in europeI fucking love that ziggers are forced to play up the poorest fucking country in europe because they’re losing to them, it’s hilarious.Yes, ukraine’s army is the most “militarized, after many years of war when it comes to their land army, but poland’s is more technologically sophisticated, has a much better airforce, and has had a lot of peacetime in which to give troops long western training regimens, something the ukies never really got the chance to do.Poland would fucking squash a direct russian incursion at this point.
>>64331361>be Ivan>live in squalor and filth>half your country has AIDS and is addicted to krokodil>constantly wage war and psyops against your neighbors >all your GDP goes into Putin's friends' pockets and mega yachts for over 2 decades>EVIL WECT WANTS TO INVADE FOR OUR RICHES, WE WUZ A SUPERPOWER N SHIET BLYAAAAAAD
>>64331270Based taste, anon, good stuff.
>>64331463Russia 2023 (after that oryx got bored)Tanks (4146, of which destroyed: 3059, damaged: 158, abandoned: 391, captured: 538)....
>>64331325>that hilarious zigger copeLOLThat’s not “the nature of this war”Ziggers are still trying to push the narrative that the dirtbikes are a “choice” that they “made” rather than a subpar solution they were forced into by losing all their armor.>held in reserveGenerally things that are held in reserve don’t keep getting rarer and rarer.
>>64331342Russia has ALREADY been forced to cut back on military spending lol.
>>64331361NOBODY wants land with you fucking subhumans on itWe want you to stay in your shitty country sized prison or be entirely destroyed.
>>64331463>are all equivalent>planes tooThis is how i know you’re retarded>b-but this number bigger than other numberQuality analysis
>>64331451>American and UK special forces What? Thats irrelevant, Special forces are not a strategic instrument. What will be there tho is NATO ARF with deploy time <10 days (probably mobilized pre invasion), sporting some 500000. Also nobody told me how Russia plans to support these operations in poland without either staging in Belarus (which will be very happy from all of this) or attacking baltic countries.
>>64331015what does well enough mean?
Russia never changes. As for OP's question, at present day, Poland, appropriately mobilized, would crush any russian invasion force that Putin could muster by virtue of having a significantly shorter border to defend (and most of Russia's fighting strength being tied up in Ukraine). In 2022, it'd still be a lopsided fight because Russia would be back to their "smash and grab regime change three days to Ki- I mean Warsaw" doctrine, trying to win a war with a token force. You'd be able to see the burning russian vehicle columns from space as F-16s rain death on them with smart munitions.
>>64331361>>64331361>Just as all the other times when a western alliance tried to invade Russia, resourcesNo one needs your resources you brachycephalic, mongoloid mutt. The west already has a ton of resources from Arab countries, Azerbaijan and their various companies operating in Africa and SE Asia where they milk the turdies dry. You weren't invaded for resources before for this exact reason. You aren't special Pidorashka.>The northern flank in now secured with Nordic and Baltic countries but the terrain there is shit and easy to defend. Ukraine is the most critical sector because of the Pontic steppe.Again, your krokodil brain shows defect. You mentioned they hid all the tanks and vehicles away to fight NATO, and because bikes are more practical. But my feces hued friend, all those tanks and vehicles would be double useless in the Baltic states and Finland with their vast forests and thick bogs/swamps, but at the same time they would (or should kek) have been much more useful in the Pontic steppe where Russia's large amount of armor should have steamrolled Ukraine due to its open steppe. They couldn't do it to because their armor and vehicle pool was destroyed badly, and that's the reason they don't use it anymore, because their stockpiles of relatively up to date arsenal is depleted. Thousands of t-72s and t-90s are gone, and the "making 100 tanks per month" line is bullshit refurbishing passed as production. Satellite pictures of their storage sites show it as well.>This process began in the late 80s when US managed to topple the USSR and chip away integral parts of Russia.Ukraine isn't your integral part, pidorashka. And neither are the other republics. You will collapse exactly like the Soviet Jewnion
>>64331510>Special forces are not a strategic instrument.Sure, but their equipment will utterly shred some dogshit trainee positions. >>64331510>Russia plans to support these operations in polandWith Putin's delusions of grandeur
>>64330993assuming no EU Article 42 (7) and NATO Article 5>Could the Polish Army realistically hold out against a Russian invasion?pre-invasion? definitely notRussia could've steamrolled themPoland lacks capable Air Defense (until Patriot, NAREW, psr-a pilica orders are fulfilled)now?absolutelyPolish Army has decent logisticstheir F-16 and F-35 with AIM-120D3 should take down anything Russia flies they have their own domestic loitering munition production1000+ IFVs, 400+ modern Tanks, plenty MRLs, 600+ self propelled howitzers (among those 200+ K9A1 which in Indian tests absolutely outclassed anything Russia fields)and most importantly otherwise surrounded by friendly nationsamong those Germanywhich (can) outproduces Russia in literally any category (except raw resources) and could theoretically supply Poland to even win a war of attrition
>>64331463ok you are trolling. nobody, even the russians, believe that this equipment is equivalent. fuck off then
>>64331270People also love to focus on Ukraine being a poor shithole and while that is true, they've been fighting, training and gearing up since 2014. They have the real experience in conventional warfare, meanwhile the only thing we did was the participation in GWOT. The part is really underestimated.Sure, if Russia ever invades us then they won't catch us with our pants down, like in 1939, because you can't really hide army movements these days. Glowfags have been warning about potential invasion months before Feb 2022. However, they would make significant gains during the initial part of the invasion. Maybe their airforce will be countered by NATO, but on the ground FPV drones or Lancets will wreak havoc.Invasion of Baltics is more likely, though, and those guys are totally fucked without NATO.
>>64331192it looks so weird, like they are just playing a teenagers game, idk how to explain
>>64331015>doing welllol lmao, this nigga doesnt know about anything that happened 24 hours after the invasion
>>64331270Im not Polish so it feels weird to say this but I feel like you are underestimating your country capabilities from what I know about it but anyway these type of questions like OP asked are too basic and binary. if Russia would start an invasion against Poland, NATO countries would have the obligation to strike back, also Poland is part of the EU, so attacking an EU member would also lead to even more support imo. in no way Poland would face Russia all by themselves.
>>64330993Any realistic predictions about russia collapse when confronted with reality
>>64331171Why not? Poles have more equipment at this point than the russians
>>64331510>Special forces are not a strategic instrumentAren't they though? I know people typically see them as "Regular Grunt But Better", but from what I understand they're just trained for niche mission types of strategic importance.
>>64331757I member the kharkiv collapse, poland has an actual air force, and russia is currently dying to move slower than a snail pace. Poles are fine.
>>64331270this guy is russian Poland spends the most out of any NATO army on new equipment purchases as % of military spending
>>64330993Poland had a much better military, economy, and was only a little less populated than Ukraine in 2022. Not to mention NATO membership and other formalized ties to foreign powers which would guarantee a greater degree of intervention. It also has a smaller border with Belarus than Ukraine did with Russia + Belarus, and does not have major population groups that are ethnic Russian and Russian-sympathetic, at least not on the level of Ukraine. At the present moment, Poland is significantly better armed in many respects than before, air defense and aircraft, and arty in particular. Russia is a joke that has lost so much hardware, especially armor and engineering/specialized vehicles, that it can no longer conduct large scale invasions or breakthroughs, let alone against a country with a fully intact military. >>64330999Satellite imagery and footage from the field indicate the exact opposite.
>>64331270>>a mob of mobik-quality part-time troops that the army decided to inflate its ranks with to look more serious, the actual, trained army is much smallerListen, I hate WOTlets but that's asking for a beating.They are meant to be 2nd/3rd rate troops akin to green Ukies
>>64331325>much more efficientthat's weird because I could've sworn they've spent three years being completely humiliated and getting nowhere, I guess that's maximum efficiency in warfare in current year?
>>64331325>pulledYou mean killed off retardedly?
As they say, Russia is never as strong nor as weak as it seems. Poland has modern equipment and proper training. We’d be able to hold an invasion off, I think. But I think there are two main issues. First of all, if the war were to prolong we would fall behind hard, as we do not have nearly as much production capacity as Russia. We don’t produce our own jets nor tanks, and not nearly enough ammo either. Also I’m not sure if we have anything that could reliably counter drone spam. You can’t keep sending f-16 after them, it’s just not economically viable.
>>64330993At this point, you should be asking "Could the Russian Army realistically hold out against a Polish invasion?"
>>64331910So what? Another poolack here, we're spending fuck you money on overpriced american toys that will run out of ammo in 20160 minutes after the HIVans invade, rather than fanatically investing into our own production capabilities (gotta please Uncle Sam with those fat contracts!). Assuming our allies hang us out to dry and our foreign air support will be delivered via thoughts and prayers, all those korean tanks will get smoked by drones on day one. Unlike Ukraine, we suspended conscription in 2008, so any mobiks the government scrambles to organize will be utterly fucking useless. The SBU makes our glowies look like thirdie amateurs. We're basically an Arab army, we would've had similar chances of survival as Ukraine in 2022, and right now Ukraine is vastly more powerful and experienced that whatever we could muster. If Russia is pushing the frontline against Ukraine, we won't stand much of a chance now
>>64331571>1000+ IFVsImpressive, isn't it? You forgot to mention that it's a 1000 BMP-1. Without fucking ammo, because Poland is incapable of producing it
>>64332489please stop it ivanPoles will be in moscow by month 3
>>64331910pole from varshawa oblast here, if mighty russian bear invades our ass will be in the assnato should end all sanctions they hurt you more than us and hope putin doesn't invade the decadent weak imperialist aggressive west
Hello, i am of poland person. Reality is that we are of very weak and feminine due to globohomo. If mighty Russian bear attacks we will surely run away since hato will not helpings us fight mighty putin forces. I am of so scared i just peed and pood myselfings. So fellow poles we should be of beggings mr putin sir for forgiveness and immediatly stop supportings the ukraine.
>>64330993I don't think you really need that much in modern warfare. Just a couple guys, tons of drones, something to deny air superiority and you can probably have a forever war.
>>64332121>We don’t produce our own jets nor tanks, and not nearly enough ammo either.Neither do they though.>TanksSoviet inheritance and mostly deprecated and expended>JetsSoviet inheritance and mostly deprecated>ammoSoviet inheritance and mostly expended
>>64331354>>64331357wtf are these real?
>>64332528It's actually around 1600 IFV and 1000 of them are BMP-1. Who knows how many of them actually work though.
>>64331362I heard that Den Haag is lovely this time of the year
>>64332528So the Poles can drive BMPs and throw stones from them. That's more than the russians can do. They can walk /ride donkeys and throw stones.
>>64332880Yes, BoJos that fail to perform to combat standards are relegated to rear-line roles like weapon manufacturing. Those that prove incapable of doing well there are recycled and/or have their neurological systems extracted for use as guidance units in Flamingos, Long Neptunes, and other guided munitions.
>>64331348prius
>>64330993Without Puccian nookz they could singlehandedly march to Moscow
>>64331231>Citizens will receive electronic summonses alongside paper summonses. At the same time, they will only be sent in electronic form in the republic of Mari El, Ryazan region, Sakhalin region and Moscow>Russia’s digital military summons system automatically restricts draftees’ rights, including automatic travel bans, if they fail to report for compulsory service. An online notice is considered legally served seven days after being posted online, even if the recipient does not read it>The registry allows authorities to issue a summons through the online government portal Gosuslugi, by mail or via the new digital database, eliminating the requirement for in-person delivery, which had made the draft easier to avoidGet fucked.
>>64333839>CONGRATS>YOU GET TO DIE FOR DA MOTHERLAND>reply: STOP to stop recieving these messages and start recieving churkas
>>64331231>In any case, they're not supposed to serve outside Russia's borders.He's been very flexible about where those are located.
>>64331270>picrel
Poland could probably successfully invade Russia
>>64331361holy fucking shit my sides
someone post the greentext about an alternate history where nazi germany started a "special military operazione to de-bolshevise poland" and got stuck 200km in
>>64333964>operazioneSounds more Italian.>speciale calzone operazione to depastafy ethiopia
>>64332587>>64332651KEK
>>64330993>Could the Polish Armyno
>>64331270I mean desu you are being delusional about the reality of the situation>WOT is not trained as well as professional army and just there to inflate numbersWhat do you mean second line troops are not as well equipped as the actual army???? The horror!In any case, they still actually increase the effective combat power of the actual army by the virtue of freeing up the actual army to be on the frontline rather than do rear policing or convoy tasks. Also remember you are comparing them to mobiks, they would probably square up pretty well>in many places the army itself is too dependant on foreign assets to properly function, these assets can be fleeting, see the statement about the orange manYes, we don't have the industry to build everything ourselves so we have to rely on foreign gear that often comes with strings attached.No it's not as nebulous and easy to pull off as you say>The procurement shitshowYes we are procuring like crazy and buying left and right because we need the equipment fast. It's better to have 300 tanks now that are a pain in the ass to maintain because each is a different type rather than have 10 tanks with the other 290 to be delivered in the next 10 years. Unless you want to be strongpointing the Suwalki Gap on a lime scooter then go ahead
>>64334026Not like their invasion of Greece fared much better than the SMO. They just had the Nazis to bail them out.
>>64331325>small groups using dirtbikes is much more efficient>still control less territory than they did during the very beginnings of the war when they used massed armoured pushedIdk about that bud
>>64331240I feel like Nato should fund human trafficking ring on the Azeri and Kazakh borders.
>>64331361See, that’s why nobody can take you people seriously.
>>64330993yes
>>64332447Dieses mal mit Polen.
>>64330993kurwahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCy68CWDKVE
>>64335007kurwa, teraz mówię po polsku?
>>64331371
>>64331233>>64331287>>64331313im a non native speaker, can someone please explain what this means? Thanks.
>>64331361
>>64331341They offered it to Poland, Germany and Lithuania. No one wanted it. That offer included the populace, though.
>>64331377VAT in the EU is 21%. I mean I am not saying Russia doesnt suck. But VAT proves nothing.
>>64336242in computer science numbers are represented in binary (base 2 as opposed to regular base 10) as bits. When you have, say, a 4 bit representation of 15, that's 1111. 14 would be 1110, 13 1101 and so on. when you try to add 0001 to 1111, then the 4 bit representation can't display 1000 (16) and instead wraps around to 0000 (0). In the same way when you subtract 0001 (1) from 0000 (0) you get an underflow error and wrap back around to 1111 (15)
>>64336242Look up integer overflow friend
>>64336272>They offered it to Poland, Germany and Lithuania. No one wanted it. Germany is a special case therethe 1990 offer story was debunked btw, it's falsebut several Russian politicians wanted to "trade" Königsberg in the 1990sand later in 2001 the EU had ascension talks about Königsbergpart of the deal would've been Germany forgiving debt to Russia (~50billion€)the main problem would've always been>violation of 2+4 Agreementwhich would've opened the flood gates for potential reparations claimswhich are retardedbut even if ignored the diplomatic cost would have been far higher than the potential gain on a small, poor enclave
>>64331192>dead ziggers all over the walkwayWhere was this, Mariupol?
>>64331270You've listed issues plaguing most Western armies by accident. The only bad thing about the Polish military is butthurt snowflake soldiers who treat every minor problem or inconvenience as a personal insult, to the point it's pretty much impossible to distinguish a buttblasted corporal from a misinformed civilian doomer.
>>64330993>russia invasion of Polanddude its not USSR anymore, they need to still pass Donbass after 4 years kek
>>64331191Lonely Russian women?!
I'm from Germany and I HONESTLY can't understand all the fearmongering in the media right now. I'm both old enough and well-read to know about the military powerhouse called the Soviet Army. Fact 1: Russia has embarassed herself to the bones by not being able to make meaningful progress over the last 3 1/2 years against an impoverished, much smaller neighbor with just a fraction of russia's manpower.Fact 2: By trying to beat Ukraine Russia has depleted most of its soviet-era stockpiles, has several 100k dead and crippled young men, and caused a(nother) huge flight of military aged people AND intelligentsia out of the country. Fact 3: Ukraine shows each and every day what modern equipment and western tactics/strategies can do against a much larger (manpower-wise) enemy. Fact 4: Waging war against poland would mean attacking an enemy about the same size as ukraine but even better equipped and trained - and not depleted yet while russia would come crawling on her kneecaps and nipples after 3 1/2 years of fighting.Fact 5: The state of both Russia's nuke and their delivery systems is highly dubious since both are among the most complicated, delicate weapon systems on the planet that need constant highly professional maintenance. Plus in a nuclear war Russia would have to aim at (at least) three nuclear armed nations (US, UK, France) while, vice versa, those countries would only have to target one nation with a very concentrated counterforce complex.Seriously:> Russia can't win against Ukraine in the long run> Russia would get crushed by Poland alone> In reality, attacking Poland would mean an overwhelming answer of the entire NATO. Even if the US would say "fuck it" that would be much more than enough.Everybody who takes part in the fear mongering or just thinks that Russia is a serious threat for western nations is either delusional or a complete retard who should get some knowledge.
Could the Russian army hold out against a Polish invasion? I’d suspect not?
>>64336362Fact 4: Waging war against poland would mean attacking an enemy about the same size as ukraine but even better equipped and trained - and not depleted yet while russia would come crawling on her kneecaps and nipples after 3 1/2 years of fighting. not only that but if vatniks attack poland chances are good it will happen simultaneously with attack all three of the baltic states up north. Spreading zegroids limited resources even thinner. even if they try to invade the latter separately its absolutely in poland interest to get involved asap no matter what deep west ass kveching says. as keeping the war in lithuania is a better option then it spreading to their northern regions. For the rest of the three estonia has the best defensible terrain out of all of them. if they actually bother to resist with proper prep and mobilisation. While also its in finland big interest to keep the war in estonia and not let it vatniks get a bridge head where to spam helsinki with all sorts short range munitions and drones
>>64336362You're making the mistake of treating russia as a serious nation interested in winning. In reality, their approach to warfare is more akin to a series of really stupid bluffs. In fact you could say that this whole invasion was a giant bluff that got called by the Ukies. As a German, you're just too reasonable to get into the katsap mindset.
>>64336362beating the russians at our current strength would take to long, cost to many lives a fuck with the economy in a major way.investments are being made not just because "oh fuck oh shit" but because with those investments in place russian aggression is even less likely and would cost a lot less time, blood and treasure to deal with.
>>64331361>Resources ...why would HATO just colonize Africa if they need resources?
>>64336362The Polish politicians know all this but an imaginary Russian threat means more funding and access to military tech.
>>64336436Hello saar good morning
>>64331463>tanks are roughly equivalent
>>64336445sportsball fans are the worst, and you seem to be a contrarian on top of that
>>64336436xdddddddddd the cope, also>NOOOOOOOOOKS
>>643364444 member crew and no autoloader for 4x the price. idk if that computes in high intensity war.War in Poland will probably give us an answer.
>>64336465>trust me comrade, it really do be like that
>>64336459Foundation of current Ukraine are football fans tho. They where the ones carrying the weight of Maidan out and where also the core of Azov.
>>64336307yes
>>64336479zigger i am polish and i don't give a single fuck, what is there to afraid of?>no we will totally nuke you!no you won't, that's the whole point. you''re like a drunken, emaciated alcoholic neighbour that threatens to kill everyone all the time while barely standing, what is there to be afraid of?
>>64336479friendly reminder there's B and C in the ABC and russia is basically just two cities and a wastelandit's a country that'd probably lose a war with widespread WMD use against luxembourg or estonia.
>impotently seething about poland>its esls babblingEvery time
saaaaaaars! saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars! do not like pooland! do not like pooland saaars!
>>64336507>>64336524jesus christ like clockwork
How when the average Polish mobik looks like this?
>>64336524>(every polak repeats that same story).i'm a polak and i come from a poor background, i'm also very mediocre looking and consider myself a typical slav, not a western manhowever, even the worst polish cunt is still infinitely better than zigger subhumans, so keep malding bitch :D
>>64336587>let's post some cherry picked images for nation X>which can be done for every nation on earth>that will for sure convince people on 4chinz that puccia stronklmao kys zigger xdddd
>>64336629that retard probably doesn't even know most of that kit has been phased out. literally against the regulations to issue it now.
>>64336587Before germans started feeding them with mystery food from lidl and kaufland.
>>64336297The most common encountered numbers are 255 and 65535 for 8 bit and 16 bit.Binary numbers are typically signed which requires one bit to mark that. The maximum signed 8 bit number is 127 and the minimum is -128 due to a trick called Two's complement.
>>64331336Poland doesn't really have long range strike capabilities other than a few F-16 with glide bombs.
pole hereWhen it comes to the state of the forces i have mixed feelings. Iraq and Afghanistan was last time we were battle tested and performance was decent. It wasn't a large scale combined arms operation though. We need to remember that we were under soviet rule for large chunk of time so some military sectors probably still have some degree of corruption. Reserve is for example handled poorly, my colleague a former artillery officer was called for training 2 years after the Ukraine invasion and he said that they weren't really that well organized and it was pointless.But than still corruption is nowhere near ziggerlevels and ziggers would need to pull off Desert Storm levels of operational brilliance to achieve something meaningful with options at hand.Avenues of attack>Potato Lord He is probably smart enough to realise. that allowing attack through his territory is incredibly retarded. Because you are turning your country into a frontline. If things go poorly you are getting deposed. >KalingradSmall front, power concentration would be extremely obvious and costly. >Naval landing Yeah sure
>>64338147Polish army is generally corrupt and disorganized in the same way the armies of most countries that have been at peace for over a generation now, but it's insane to believe that is in any way similar to the deep rot running through Russian military and state. Even at it's worst Polish barracks culture never involved pimping out subordinates as male prostitutes on the streets and that was a huge problem in Russian military even decades ago.Ultimately if push came to shove I think Poland would figure their shit out rather quickly. They realize it even now, but there is still the deeply ingrained lack of motivation because "nothing ever happens". Ukraine was militarily in way worse shape in 2014 and they pulled through for most part.
>>64331000fpbp
>>64330993At this point I'm not sure if Russia could hold out against a Polish invasion.
>>64336465>no autoloaderThats the good thing>War in PolandWith whom?
>>64340825Sultanate of Almanya
>>64330993You know what's weird?All the EU countries are gearing up for war.Yet let in millions of sandniggers without a peep.So you have all the money in the world and tonnes of military arms to fight Russians......but not the exploding pakistani sandniggers mass raping you on the street.Anyway, Shalom fellow /k/ikes.
>>64337992The US can just give tomahawk missiles to Poland like they're doing for Ukraine now.
