How much noise does an integrally suppressed hunting rifle with subsonic ammo really make? In 12-gauge? In .410 bore? What everyday noises is it comparable to in terms of volume? Is it really like a spring air rifle?The YouTube videos I've seen with them make them seem really quiet but I don't know to what extent that's simply a matter of microphones not being able to pick up the noise properly, since even unsuppressed hunting rifles don't sound particularly loud in a lot of YouTube videos.
suppressed shotguns are still loud because theres still a 12ga sized hole at the end of the suppressor
>>64332715clap your hands together. like, arms outstretched in front of you, and clap. that's about the volume. you can get hollywood quiet with bolties and lever actions in specific loading, but rule of thumb a suppressed weapon is more like the sound of a person clapping in volume.
>>64332776That's reassuring, thank you.
>>64332715>I don't know to what extent that's simply a matter of microphones not being able to pick up the noise properlyThat is absolutely a problem. And it's not just the mike. The compression algorithm can't handle the volume, and neither can your speakers. What you hear on a recording is nothing like real life.
>>64332715Here's another video. No "real" volume readings, though. Really want that fucking thing and IIRC his buddy (the short one) had a silenced pump .410 in a video (The Gun Review IIRC, one of the ones where he shoots clays in the farmfield) but I can't find it. Not sure if they're using subsonic ammo; doubt it, though.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U2pp2GRnvE>>64332735That's what my local NFA guy told me as well. They work but he didn't think it was worth it, still pretty loud.
>>64332715Oh also the only gun I've really heard get "air rifle" quiet is something like a 22LR. Buy a bolt action or a 10/22 and a soft buffer. Get a half-decent silencer. Start with supersonic ammo, see how you like that. Won't be quiet but outdoors without a roof, it'll be more than tolerable, no ringing, albeit I have suspicions about whether its fully hearing safe depending on round count. Then grab some CCI subs. Think 1080FPS. If that isn't enough, try 710s. You'll be impressed. Can't really say much otherwise. 6.5 made my ears ring, though that was with a roof overhead.
>>64335870>16 minutes of blathering on>no dataWhy even post it.
https://streamable.com/v5sv3d?src=player-page-shareVideo of me shooting 300blk bolt suppressed. Racking the bolt, brass hitting table, and ring of steel are all much louder than the shot.
>>64332715>How much noise does an integrally suppressed hunting rifle with subsonic ammo really make?Best measurements (actual, objective measurements with an ultra high sample freq mic setup) I've seen on 22lr subsonics from a bolt (tested with a cz 452) is 113-117dB peak pressure or 90-96 dB-ms impulse at the shooter's ear over 3 shots (so taking into account any frp). For contrast, top of the line subsonic 300bo out an 8" barrel bolt action was 125-131 dB peak pressure/97-101 dB-ms impulse. That's going to be about as low as it's feasible to get without getting into weirder territory like use of wipes.>In 12-gauge? In .410 bore?Never seen that measured so don't know, but it's going to be a lot higher. The 12ga suppressor market is nearly non-existent right now, for awhile it was basically SiCo's old thing and that was it.>What everyday noises is it comparable to in terms of volume?The human ear doesn't really react well to that kind of loudness that fast, the only common natural relative would be a nearby lightning strike. So the ear is not really a good gauge, and "loudness" is quite subjective and depends on condition of the ears too. But a typical air rifle is probably going to be 90-105 and a suppressed air rifle can get down to around 70-80 dB. So a subsonic bolt with good can is similar ballpark. Compared to a suppressed air rifle using the old "10dB = 2x subjective loudness" standard it'd be somewhere between 4-16 times as loud depending on specifics of guns being compared.I'd assume bigger bore stuff is going to be closer to 140 at best based on SiCo's, so that'd be more like 60-100 times as loud.
>>64335870I've seen videos with a Hushpower .410 using subsonic ammo and it sounds very quiet, although that may be due to the technical reasons alluded to by >>64332852:https://youtu.be/VoCTff_A1bE?t=329https://youtu.be/H-vRxOy3HZ4And these are videos of an integrally suppressed 12-gauge using subsonic ammo, with the same caveat:https://youtu.be/yzPZPvT9tak?t=78https://youtu.be/oRmG3Ls_bMw?t=68>>64338217>22lr subsonics from a bolt (tested with a cz 452) is 113-117dB peak pressure or 90-96 dB-ms impulse at the shooter's ear over 3 shotsThank you for the exact data, although that's surprising in being significantly louder than I've been led to believe. Everything I've seen about suppressed .22 LR with subsonics suggests they make about as much noise as someone walking on a branch, like the video of the subsonic .300 Blackout itc.>>64337986Thank you for the video, that's strikingly quiet. That said, I'm mainly taking an interest in shotguns for now (which I awkwardly referred to as "hunting rifles" in my OP, a direct translation from the French, in which shotguns are called "fusils de chasse" and rifles are called "carabines").My situation is that I have no experience of guns but YouTube hunting content has really made me want to try; unfortunately, I suffer from sensitive hearing. Shooting hooved animals here legally requires energy projection of a kilojoule at 100 metres, and my (perhaps mistaken) impression is that the few subsonic rifles capable of that are louder than the subsonic shotguns that are legal to use on small game, so I'm looking into the latter first. If I can't even stand the sound of a suppressed shotgun, then this whole idea of getting into hunting is a non-starter.I have contacted the local chapter of my national hunting federation and hopefully they'll be able to provide me with more information, and maybe even some IRL exposure.
>>64332715>hunting rifleoutdated fuddslop, you'll be dead in a ditch in no time
>>64338469>Thank you for the exact data, although that's surprising in being significantly louder than I've been led to believe. Everything I've seen about suppressed .22 LR with subsonics suggests they make about as much noise as someone walking on a branch, like the video of the subsonic .300 Blackout itc.Rando videos are 100% worthless for this specific thing anon, regular microphones simply are incapable of picking up the kind of extreme millisecond peaks of a gun report and speakers are incapable of reproducing it. This is one thing that requires either your ears or specialized kit to measure.But at the same time, make no mistake that's getting very very quiet vs the 155-175 of a typical unsuppressed centerfired gun. Remember, worn earpro is generally good to around 32 NRR, and the maximum theoretical possible is like 40 but that requires perfect fit and materials. So we're still talking sound here that's about the same or quieter without earpro as an average unsuppressed gun is with earpro. It's still a big difference. But not "suppressed air rifle" level either. Add some basic earplugs or the like on top and can shoot all day no problem, even indoors.
>>64338600>Rando videos are 100% worthless for this specific thing anonSeriously. Even 95% of the videos that claim to "measure" the sound are using some shitty Radio Shack tier spl meter or an app for their phone, neither of which is capable of measuring a gunshot properly. It's frustrating how much outright incorrect and misleading information there is out there about this.
