Russia has 'machine gun artillery divisions'. What does this actually entail and what are the composition of these divisions? Is there a video of the effect of these units laying down heavy fire?
>>64334340>What does this actually entail unsupported assaults on scooters and dirtbikes>what are the composition of these divisionsmobiks
>>64334340This is like saying a hand grenade is an ICBM.
>>64334340>machine gun artilleryindirect fire with heavy machine guns? I remember a documentary of german tactics and one of them was cranking the compensation on the mg34/42 to 2000 meters and spraying the general direction of the enemy
I thought about it after making my post and I don't know anything about machine gun artillery but here's some ideas I had for their usesAnti droneDirect fire support on the defensive lineAnd of course in direct fireThere no reason why a machine gun couldn't rain down round onto like a village and have a suppressive effect
>>64334340>What does this actually entail Sentry duty on the Chinese border. Said units have lots of extra machineguns due to 1970s stories of human waves. Otherwise, they're generic infantry condemned to guard duty.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/18th_Machine_Gun_Artillery_Division
>>64334680It was a common thing with most militaries in the early to mid 20'th century. Guns like the Mg08, Vickers and M1917 Browning were designed to be used in the indirect fire role.
By the end of World War II, it had become standard practice to fire horizontal AA guns at enemy positions during preparatory fire. Early models of the T-54 also had fixed machine guns on both sides of the hull.
>>64334340>What does this actually entailit means machine guns are held at the corp-level, and are distributed to support divisionsthe british had a similiar set up in WW2, where their vickers guns were held in a divisional regiment, so that the divisional commander could concentrate the HMGs as neededa machine gun division within a corp would be a similiar idea, just taken to a larger extreme and allowing them to concentrate machine guns to an even greater degree
>>64334340Russia is not just 100yrs ahead of USA in HMG tech, but 100yrs ahead of USA in HMG tactics and STRATEGY.
>>64334340Afaik, it's just a weird term the Russians use for a few static defense units in the Far East
>>64334680At the turn of the 20th century (meaning, before ww1) machine guns were used as artillery nearly as much as they were used in direct fire>>64335295This began at El Alamein because the Brits had won the air war and had spare AA guns not doing anything, so they were tied into the assault fire plan. The Americans and Germans picked this up and it became standard practice by the French campaign>>64335332>just taken to a larger extremeIn WW1 the British had a Machine Gun Corps. This was back when the technology was still new. Think in terms of "Space Force" or the Ukrainian Drone Force.>their vickers guns were held in a divisional regiment, so that the divisional commander could concentrate the HMGs as neededThe Brits tended to think this way all the way into the Cold War. Not sure about Kuwait but at Falklands there were instances when they grouped all the GPMGs together to, as Russell Crowe said, "unleash hell".
>>64334340It means that the 152mm barrels are completely shot, and they can't replace them nor repair them adequately.
>>64334691>There no reason why a machine gun couldn't rain down round onto like a villageOh, they will. But it will not be intentional and it might be a Russian village.
>>64335388>100yrs ahead of USA in HMG tactics and STRATEGY.Myine Gott! That's like 200 years!
>>64334340I mean does it really matter at this point? It's a bunch of guys with whatever equipment they could find or steal somewhere. I don't think it's important to divide them into "motor rifle division" or "machine gun artillery division" since they all belong into meat wave division now.
>>64334340Machine gun and artillery regiment composition (2017)control;1st machine gun and artillery battalion;2nd machine gun and artillery battalion;mobile motorized rifle battalion (on MT-LB );tank company (9 T-72B units );anti-tank artillery division (18 units 2S5 or 6 units 2S5 and 12 units 2A36 );rocket artillery battery (6 units 9K51 );ATGM battery;anti-aircraft missile and artillery division (6 units of Strela-10 , 6 units of Shilka , 27 units of 9K38 Igla );anti-aircraft missile division (8 Tor-M2U units );engineer-sapper company;electronic warfare company;control (communications) company;NBC protection company;logistics company;repair company.
>>64334340The main armament of the division:BM-21 "Grad" - 18 units;152-mm self-propelled gun 2S5 and 152-mm gun "Giatsint-B" - 36 units;9K37M1 "Buk-M1" - 12 units;9K35 "Strela-10" - 12 units;ZSU-23-4 "Shilka" - 12 units;122 mm howitzer D-30 - 18 units;100-mm field gun BS-3 - 12 units;82-mm mortar 2B14 "Podnos" - 18 units;ZU-23-2 - 8 units;BM 9A331MU - 8 units;T-80BV - 94 units;MT-LB - n/a [ 10 ] [ 11 ] .you dont know how to use google? its more of a static unit that is/was used to defend sakhalin island
While indirect use of machineguns was a thing in both world wars, that's AFAIK not actually what soviet/russian "machine gun and artillery" units were about.Simply put, it's their designation for fortress troops. Units meant to occupy fixed strongpoints and defense lines. This generally meant low-quality troops, less frontline infantry than "proper" rifle divisions, less logistical tail (because them sitting in static positions meant higher-level supply lines would always be close) and a proportionally higher amount of machineguns and lighter artillery pieces. The naming was I think mostly a propaganda thing of sorts - "machine gun and artillery" is gonna sound more impressive to the low-quality losers you put into those units than outright calling them out as troops only useful for static defense.Some of these units distinguished themselves in WWII and the Soviets and later Russians just kept them around as essentially second/third-rate defensive garrison units while moderninsing them to some degree.
>>64334340Machine gun artillery divisions or PULAD (ПУЛAД) is 3rd tier unit occupying permanent fortifications defense lines. They are mostly crew of bunkers and pillboxes with some random artillery, AA and mechanized units sprinkled in. Armed with whatever weapons available. After WWII they mostly remained on Far East with fortifications defense lines armed with old tanks turrets bunkers and concrete machine gun pillboxes.Why are they called "Machine gun artillery divisions"? because armed with bunkers artillery and machine guns, something like that.
