AK General /akg/Casual Warfighting Edition>Thread #2079Old thread here >>64305795
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Excellent OP image. You ain't never gonna see a WBP in action like that. Also... So most of us are familiar of the image with Tucker Carlson holding the East German AK in Iraq. I honestly forgot about it last thread... It came up when I was searching for images of Trijicon RX01s. Funny how the brain works, I've seen that picture of Tucker with the East German AK multiple times.. yet I never noticed the MP5k with the RX01, not the other MP5 with the RX01. Neat.
Does anyone have factory images or drawings of the stamping dies used for dust covers? I've always wondered how they actually did it. I assume it's a compound die?
>>64336129Only pics of Kalashnikov factories I've ever come across are usually from the assembly floor/building not the machineroom.Closest I could think of is this mandrel from an Armorers Set.
>>64336095No WBPs in Ukraine?
>>64336281he buys airsoft and PSAs dont listen to him
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Making progress on the three position AK FRT. It is function checking correctly right now with moderate trigger finger pressure. Still gets hung up a bit at the rear of the action. >>64336281>>64336363>WBPs in UkraineYou mean the handful that were donated to 3rd line troops by AoA as a publicity stunt for a few pictures and to convince retard American consumers that they're real guns? Yeah those don't count lol.
>>64337831>rifles in Ukraine: A number greater than 1>airsoft and PSAs in Ukraine: 0WBP wins, gripcock loses
>>64337956I hate that you're making me defend a tripfag (only doing this because WBPniggers are even worse) but he regularly disavows PSA.
>>64338154then he shouldnt have bought one
>>64338190>>64338154I bought a PSA in good faith knowing I was buying a piece of shit toy wall hanger noise maker, mainly as a way of cheaply testing out to see if I liked the short 5.56 102 style platform. I do like it, which is good to know, so now I can prioritize getting a more "real" 102 style gun. The PSA I bought did end up breaking, and it is back with them for warranty. When I get it back, I'm going to sell it. Simple as that. I shit on WBP faggots because they bury their head in the sand like trannies and defend their purchase, saying it is a legit AK. I'm not saying you can't buy a WBP, and even "enjoy" it, so long as you're in good faith acknowledging that you're enjoying a toy wall hanger talisman, not enjoying a real gun.
>>64335928>tfw deleted my LinkedIn Feels goodman
>>64338284>Not a real gun>Shoots bullet Wdhmbt
>>64338284WBPs have never had as many issues as PSAs. What broke? Firing pin?
>>64338608Shitty bait and very tranny of you to just completely ignore all of the arguments and wall posts from the past week and offer up >Not a real gun>Shoots bullet>>64338617>never had as many issuesYou can't actually assert this quantitatively because the statistics on the matter are unclear, but we know that BOTH PSA and WBP have had far more issues than the vast majority of other AKs out there, and have been around for FAR less time, both of them. >What brokeTypical issue that MANY have had with PSA 5.56 guns which is something works its way or wears its way out of spec (could be wear inside firing pin channel inside bolt, could be firing pin wear itself, hell could be headspace working out of spec), but gun started punching primers and bits of primer blow into the firing pin channel then the firing pin can't protrude correctly so you get light primer strikes and no ignition, until you disassemble bolt and remove bits of primer, only to have it happen again within 5-10 rounds of putting the gun back together. IE a piece of shit that would get you killed if you were actually using the gun to liberate some demonic tranny story time hour show.
>>64338716>You can't actually assert this quantitativelyyoure right, except for PSA as they do seem to have way more issues than WBP. Even WBPs 5.56 and 5.45 AKs have seemed to have had less issues than PSA, Riley, Pioneer, etc.
>>64338740>seem to have less issuesYou're not controlling for total production quantity, and you're not looking at an exhaustive search of the reported failures. Like you might be under the "impression" that WBPs are more reliable than PSAs, and I might be under the impression that PSA's are more reliable than WBPs. That bottom line is both are shit compared to real guns and I would take a Zastava M90 any day if my life counted on it over either a WBP or a PSA 5.56 AK.
Highest quality AKM-pattern rifle. Namefag knows shit about WBP Fox rifles made for AoA and their development history vs other shit WBP makes. It literally buys PSA rifles like a broke wellfare nigger.
Waffenwerks Mixed Serials Kit with a Polish wirefolder stock + MI Aimpoint pattern side rail mount.
All this talk of 556 aks I've been thinking about getting into them. All my aks are 7.62x39 and have been eying the zastava zpap m90. I already have an opap and m92 and both have been flawless. Is it worth it? I'm fully invested in 7.62x39 but willing to shell out a couple grand for an m90 and a couple thousand rounds of 223, especially with the Russian import ammo ban not going away anytime soon if at all. Pic related, just refinished the handguard and swapped out the grip.
>>64338758>You're not controlling for total production quantityto be fair i don't think you are either lol like man idk how many Rileys or PSAs are out there compared to WBPs but it seems as though not very many people had WBP issues until some 5.56 Jack issues came up (firing pin breaks or something) and now a couple broken bolts (who knows what that was about); a far cry from blown up AKs, Ski's Pioneer losing headspace in under 500 rounds, PSA AKs having poor rivets among other QC issues, etc.
>>64339210>thinking about getting into them5.45 is the better caliber. Even WBP admits it. Theyre the most accurate, durable, and reliable Kalashnikovs ever made.
>>64339210I feel the same and am debating between an M90 and M85, obviously the barrel length is nice on the 90 but I feel like its just gonna be a fucking brick after I put some stuff on it
>>64339210Personally I would just put the funds into an Arsenal 106, or find a Saiga that is converted or needs converting, or a SAR-3>>64339418>i don't think you are eitherYou're right, I'm not, but I'm also not making any quantitative claims about WBP vs PSA vs IO Inc vs Riley, vs Pioneer etc failure rate. I'm just talking about manufacturing processes and metallurgy. I will claim the failure rate for all these shit AKs is significantly higher though than what we hear of or see from real AK manufacturers, or real kit builds done by good builders. >>64339119What a dumb fucking post>>64339183Real bake mag? I don't like Midwest Industries. Cool build otherwise.
Guys I think I am gonna kit out an M85 with the jmac handguard and brace...
Okay made some progress. Three position AK FRT seems to be working by hand. Every now and again in semi mode it goes FRT, but I'm hoping that with a little more wear this stops, and I think it has to do with how forceful the carrier goes to the rear. https://streamable.com/ccgtvhI did NOT use the three position trigger jig that is floating around that has like two distinct ramp sections. I just used the standard 2 position FRT SS trigger jig, and kept cutting, removing more material from the trigger bar to decreased the magnitude/amplitude of the forced reset.
fuck why do I like it so much
>>64335928Keyed OP, Yugo thread.On a side note someone mentioned in a previous thread was talking about corrosive ammo. I’m starting to think that corrosive ammo is a boomer myth. I’ve shot around 2000 rounds of 7N6 through my PSAK-74 and only cleaned it twice. Still no signs of rusting even after monsoon season. Okay, yeah maybe after 40+ years the bore will be rusted out but by that time someone in America will ether be making new ones/all guns will be banned/the country will be Balkanized and we’ll be able to buy real Russian ones from street vendors 1990s Bosnia style. >>64338758>I would take a Zastava M90 any day>Also previous claimed he’d never use or own an AK that isn’t chrome lined>Fag probably doesn’t know or forgot that military issued Zastava weren’t chome lined>Talks about what will/won’t get you killed despite the fact that REAL soldiers like in vidrel have had no problem operating using both nitrated barrels and corrosive ammohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6DfJkzgPm8&t=630s
>>64340701I've always wondered if the heat from a railed gas tube would cook a laser
>>64340828I've heard that they're usually ok as long as theyre high quality and dont have like uhh plastic or polymer mounting
>>64340717>Fag probably doesn't know or forgot that military issued Zastavas weren't chrome linedI've known for a hot minute. There is a reason why so many of the surplus barrels were dead. >previous claimed he'd never use or own an AK that isn't chrome linedSource? Where did I say that? I've had several had several AKs that weren't chrome lined, and they're far from my first pick, and I don't consider them real guns.
is the KUSA KR-103 any good?
>>64341112Assembled by negroz in Pompano Beach, no longer in business, you tell me.
>>64341149where do i get 103 from?
>>64341183Gunbroker, and expect to over pay, even for the cheaper fixed stock model (KR-103FT). Can I ask why KUSA? Why now?
>>64341265it seems like they're the most clone correct, but I was just wondering if they're better than PSA or any other American domestic 103.
should I just buy zoompaps?
>>64339715>I'm also not making any quantitative claims about WBP
>>64339715Do you have a report similar to picrel for WBP? No? Then cut up a Fox gen2 and a Jack and send samples in for testing. Seriously, I think you should do that asap. Picrel has all the details you need. Call them and ask for similar and they will give you a quote. Or use a different company, there are many that will perform the service. Video the whole process, including proof of where you get the sample rifles. Preferably they should be new, unfired, and originally from AoA/Atlantic. If you're right you will cause a massive PR issue for WBP, AoA, Atlantic and will become legend in the AK community. If you're wrong then you should kys with that PSAK.If I was as adamant as you that is exactly what I would do. I'm not broke so spending 5 or 10K to prove a point is nothing. Accuser should bear burden of proof. Lets go faggot.
>>64341469Not about the relative failure rate as compared to PSA or Riley etc. >>64341432>>64341265>>64341183>>64341112Honestly for a 103 looking gun if you're not going to have a kit built, I would go with a PSA unironically. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ak-103-forged-classic-side-folder-polymer-rifle.htmlWhile a warranty on a gun is about as useful as a warranty on a seat belt, at least your money is sort of protected. If you do have any issues with the KR-103 you're out of luck. Also as far as I'm aware, we don't really know the details behind the manufacturing processes that went into the KR-103, while with the PSA, we know now with their "better" guns that the bolt, trunnions, and carrier are true hammer forged parts, and you can get the CHF CL barrels. https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ak-103-forged-classic-side-folder-polymer-rifle.html>>64342206>do you have a report similarWe have BETTER than that report, which for all we know those pajeet poo saars that did the "analysis" don't know how to differentiate between machined from a forged bar stock vs. finish machined from a true hammer forged part. If all they're looking for is the presence of grain structure with no analysis of the geometry of said grain structure with respect to the external macro geometry of the part, then they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a machined from forged bar stock, vs machined from true forging part. In the case of WBP we have better than some pajeet poor engineering "firm" report, we have WBP themselves SAYING that all their shit is made from machined from billet bar stock. We have videographic and photographic proof of machined from billet bar stock front trunnions.
>>64342438>we have WBP themselves SAYING that all their shit is made from machined from billet bar stockthat's from years ago. WBP has gradually changed over time. Nowadays, we don't really know what their doing, other than billet trunnions in the background of that one video
>>64339848GAYMAC might be the best bet we all have at the moment. That or S(OY)AG. The advantage of GOYMAC being the fact they support a wide arrays of AKs. Which is nice. Also their dust cover system seems smart.
JMAC makes quality products designed to look as fuckugly as possible
>>64342438Yeah thats about what I thought. I said you can send the samples to whoever you choose. Analytics is a major part of the metal industry and saying its not is insane. Dont listen to this namefag. I think hes an /arg/ and/or Reddit transplant spreading his cancer to this general because he got bored. May even has ties to PSA after reading some of the shit it says. Afterall, PSA has consistently lost market share to WBP over the past 5 years.The rifles WBP makes for AMERICAN market have particular design specifications that came from Atlantic/AoA . But they make other rifles for other customers. They machine some milled receivers from billet, they stamp receivers for AKM-pattern rifles. Trunnions and bolts on American AKM-pattern rifles are machined to final tolerance from raw forgings. Barrels from FB etc. I am talking specifically about Fox and Jack 7.62x39 AKM-pattern rifles. I've spoke to Atlantic about this in the past. Again, you're a literal PSAK buying namefag. There isnt much worse here. Where the fuck were you in 2018, 19, 20, 21 when the rifles were being developed, tested, and improved based on Fox gen1 feedback? We've gone through all this multiple times over the years. You're a lying piece of shit who takes things out of context to fit your narrative. WBP NEVER stated everything they make is made from billet. Bullshit. God damn this general was way better before you made it your blog. I'm surprised none of the oldfags here speak up with you seriously and regularly recommending absolute piece of shit American PSAK rifles to people. That shit used to not fly at all. Fuck right on off with it.
>>64342601Absolutely seething and malding that your billet shit rifle is commercial tier slop. >WBP NEVER stated everything they make is made from billetThey don’t have to retard we see it from the videos coming out of their factory assembly line. >WBP fags malding when confronted with video evidence yet still in denial much like a tranny Like pottery.
>>64342829>2 WBP bolts break>zomg the rifles are all shit>this is said despite years of WBP epicnesscope
>>64342872whataboutism is not an argument retard>WBP continues to be commercial tier billet shit regardless of your seethe>Your rifle will never live to see the end of 90,000 rounds let alone 10,000>No amount of screeching will change the fact forged is better in every conceivable way over billet.C O P E and D I L A T E troon
>>64342945WBPs still have an amazing track record regardless of your whining. COPE
PSA loving shills posting memes originally used by foxbros. Ironic.
is there anything wrong with shepherd's hook?
>>64343022>>64342601>Writing a 2 paragraph essay of pure ass hurt and seethe is peak effeminate behavior and shows you are an unstable troon, Cope dilate and rope yourself. YWNBA non commercial tier billet shit AK.>>64343056>>64343022Samefagging this hard is an embarrassing look lmao
Interesting
>>64343185uhh i typed out like 9 words bro. The only one typing out essays is gripcock.
>>64342555Nice trips.This is what struck me the most when i finally got my hands on a random product of theirs. Absolute ricer shit but can't deny the quality of the product. Notably stock lock up etc etc. Also pretty crazy what AI can do with a few prompts. The rifle was the only picture i fed it.
>>64343372i lol at AI for keeping the fingertips of the gloves on but not the knuckles
>>64343486Lmao.
>>64342945>commercialYou're the only one using this term. Btw WBP sent their jacks to Ukraine so they're objectively not commercial-only already.
Post mags
>>64337956>PSAs in Ukraine: 0https://youtu.be/9MalR7h399o?si=rmxdLGK3ZsotO22F
>>64344368>Over $2,000 for a PSAK in Ukraine.Goddamn that’s fucking expensive.>>64343623As far as I’m aware, all the English speaking MilTubers say military issued AKs in Ukraine are all pretty much Soviet-era guns of Izhmash, Tula, and Molot make with a few oddballs consisting of other Eastern European donated ones. This lines up with all the ones I’ve seen photographic in Ukrainian military possession.
>>64344368well, at least there's 1 i guess. WBP still wins no cap fr
>>64342601>recommending absolute piece of shit American PSAK rifles to peopleThe OP was asking on getting a 103, besides PSA who else makes a solid 103 copy?
>>64343486For when you need to use a touchscreen, knuckles only. Lol.>>64344358Weird ass Yugo drain hole mag. No bakes because like a retard I let that era slip through my fingers obtaining nothing except an exceedingly useless 5.45 mag I don't have an AK for.
>>64345670I didn't say post bakes, I said mags.Drain hole mags are cool too. One of these days we'll find out what the holes were actually for. Did you buy the 74 mag with intent to get the rifle or what?
>>64345838Nope, bought the bake because it was $20 and had never seen one in person at that point. IIRC you can use them in some 5.56 AKs with a different follower so I still may be able to use it yet.
>>64345860>IIRC you can use them in some 5.56 AKs with a different follower so I still may be able to use it yetThat's the rumor, but as I have no experience, I can't say definitively.So you just have a random '74 bakelite?>Get a 5.45, don't settle for a 5.56 cope
Are Beryls good to go?
>>64344358
>>64346298yeah
>>64346298Beryl chinwelds always look so fucking insane to me
>>64346483yeah the adjustable stock is fucking dumb as shit. Horrible. If it weren't from FB no one would buy it.
I know the Novus 1P87 clone itself is fine, but how is the magnifier?Yes, I already know chasing weird optics is a losing effort in function vs. form, I just want to know if the magnifier is more than a timebomb that'll get beaten to death in sub-1000rnds.
The AK-104 build is calling to me, I fear I must answer its call
>>64344358my dumb romy mag that's missing a rib on one side. The only mag i've ever had with that.
>>64345838Only noticed the Type 63 mag after replying. Damn, jelly. Only really have one more pic.>>64345884>So you just have a random '74 bakelite?Yeah, IIRC it's East German.>Get a 5.45, don't settle for a 5.56 copeWe'll see; 5.45 or 5.56 AK is far off; I still need to get parts for my current AK and I have several other projects.>>64347438IIRC I have heard of those but I don't know what's really known about them. I was researching variations in Chinese mags and found those a while ago.
>>64347802the count of two ribs rather than three is the only similarity. Everything else about the mag is Romanian. The third rib is simply not there. Weird.
>>64347802Nta but I think those spineless Type 63 mags are the best 7.62 mags, it saddens me that they aren’t cheap and widely available.
ayo. This thing shoot flat fr.
>>64347832It's a shame because they look pretty neat. Guess China didn't want to export them for some reason or didn't want to keep making them. Looking at a lot of my Chinese AK mags it seems they removed the rust from and reblued their old military 30rd mags for export most of the time, which sucks because the Type 63/68 20rd mags would be so nice to have on top of those exports and I wish they had exported more; I don't have many 20rd mags but the one(s?) I do I love using. The variety with type 63/68 would be pretty nice, too.PS: Somewhere I have an all-stamped Chinese mag which is neat, forget where I got that but I think the guy just had it stacked with all the other AK mags so I got it relatively cheap. Like most Chinese mags, it looks like it's never been used.
>>64347929Homie paid more for the attachments than the glizzy...
>>64348016Yeah I was thinking I should get some 20s but the best looking ones, your pic basically, are so absurdly expensive and rare that it’s just not really worth it unless a few fell in your lap. I got some 10s from Atlantic that unexpectedly had BHO and are Czech or something? Not what was advertised but kinda better than. That kinda thing.
>>64346323Very nice. I'd really like to see more of your collection, though. >coming from the guy reposting pics I took years ago>>64347802>Damn, jellyDon't be, it's just a mag. In reality it's not a very practical one either. Since the locking lugs are just bakelite (no metal or reinforcement) I don't like to use it often.>>64347438Now that's a neat little oddity. Like a baseball card misprint.>post more mags
how much would this build cost total?
>>64349057At least $100
>>64344358Based. I personally enjoy NIW Polish steel magazines
>>64349057not that much honestly
>>64349083NIW Polish mags are pretty kino. Unfortunately, for them to be useful they will no longer be NIW.
>>64348238Bunch of bakes and steel mags, nothing else of nite really. Have paki 5.45 and an Izzy 5.45 bake that looks like it was made by putting a bunch of bakelite chips in the mold and pressing it. I can't remember what they are called.
>>64349328>nothing else of note reallyI didn't say only post mags of note either. If it's 50 beat to shit Romys or 1 Svetagor, I don't care. Post mags>I can't remember what they are called.Glass filled is probably what you're looking for. I've also heard them called karelian birch or just AG-4V.
>>64349404Well, in that case, I know I've added more mags since this pic was taken.
>>64349657That's what I'm talking about.More.>MORE!
>>64346298They work but they silo you into using proprietary accessories. Not really worth the price tag unless Polack military pedigree gives you a chub. Some probably were used to based effect in Afghanistan from from OEF vets have told me about Polish ISAF
I love Zastava.
>>64348238>Don't be, it's just a mag. In reality it's not a very practical one either. Since the locking lugs are just bakelite (no metal or reinforcement) I don't like to use it often.What gets me is that no one seems to want to try to make repros of a lot of these rarer phenolic mags especially when they never had reinforcement originally; that simplifies them massively. Baseplate would be a BITCH unless you could find repros, maybe the follower too, but there are ways of doing stuff like making polymer mag bodies, maybe even at home. I want to make a lot of things but at the same time I don't want to have to run a website and constantly get orders to ship. IDK, maybe I'd sell through Moka or some shit if I ever made something I was proud of enough to sell. I just have to wonder what you'd have to price mags or repro furniture at with such a low scale to get any profit to make it worth your time. Good enough lookalike bakelites are no good to anyone if they still cost $100/mag though.
>>64350528>make reprosTo what end? Make worse mags than say commercial bulgys, that will definitely cost way too much? There's already fakelites that nobody really buys and a niche mag like the Type 63 probably isn't that in demand. If you want the cool "collectible" shit, then unfortunately you gotta pay the price.>plus the price of dozens of laws and sanctions limiting what you can buy and from whereAlso, would the demand for "rare" mags still be there when they're no longer rare?
>>64350573I'd really have to try it and see if anyone would be interested. At worst I end up with my own better fakelites and have learned a lot more about resin. I would actually buy current fakelites but they either are some ugly TEXTURED nylon (seriously how does everyone fuck up repros by making every repro of a smooth item out of textured nylon) or the effect really falls apart up close like the current ones I think are just painted. They keep getting better and better but they're not quite there yet. My biggest issue I've ran into is needing an original in the first place to make a mold of it. THAT right there is a savings killer unless I then sell the original off. And even then I'm still into the project for the mold(s), materials, time, etc.>plus the price of dozens of laws and sanctions limiting what you can buy and from whereSee that's why I'd sell through an already established site; they already deal with it. Guys who have repro parts made up sell through Sarco, Numrich, or other sites like that as they get their unobtanium part and everyone else gets the rest of the batch and everyone breaks about even or makes a little cash. Not to mention, selling through an already established site is a lot easier since they already have followers unlike trying to start from nothing. Hell, worst comes to worst, I'd send samples out to various sellers and no one is interested but it gets my foot in the door.>Also, would the demand for "rare" mags still be there when they're no longer rare?Fakelites do seem to sell, anon. There wouldn't be the offerings we have if they didn't and there's plenty of guides on how to fakelite paint a polymer mag. While it isn't rare anymore then, you can at least use these mags/furniture without fear of fucking it up like anon and his type 63/68 mag when it costs 1/10th the price. Hell, imagine being able to beat on repro green border guard furniture/mags with no worries at a reasonable price. That's my ideal outcome.
>>64349057Lage folding stock on an NPAPhttps://youtu.be/RPzcLIAwtmA?si=WnqHAMQyjnXX2Xdd
>>64350689>While it isn't rare anymore then, you can at least use these mags/furniture without fear of fucking it up like anon and his type 63/68 mag when it costs 1/10th the price.I'm am that anon lel, and that's not really why I don't use it. To me it's just another 20 round mag and I have enough Hungarian tankers if I'm in need of shorter mags. But it does get used, just not a lot and I do baby it in and out.But I get what you're saying, I'm just not sure how much the demand is there. Please don't let my apprehension at it stop you from making cool shit though. I'm just not the market for that, I guess.
bump
>>64346329I think your spas has autism, anon.
>>64355444Yeah
>get draco to turn into a cool AK104 lite like pic related>get tws dogleg>try to put it on draco>doesnt fit>fuck>well ill just get an attero arms mount instead and use that its ok>spend 3 fucking hours today fitting a new handguard and putting that on the gun>cant fucking fit the dust cover back on the gun with the mount installedFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I SHOULDVE JUST GOT A FUCKING M85 I FUCKING KNEW IT
>>64355474Post the actual gun you're having issues with so we can see.Maybe one of us retards can help you get it figured out instead of you being retarded all by yourself.
>>64355444haeY
>>64355444>ʸᵉᵃʰ
wasrs are based trips are gayalways has been always will be
I really like the RPK-74M
>>64344358A few recent pickups. >Tula plum mold 8 with lots of flecks>Tula plum mold 26 with a cool ink stamp>Molot bake mold 25, shield inside circle, with cool ink stamps on the other side (similar to yours)All in new old stock condition.
>>64357636Mint. Nice flecky plum.
New AK-12K in Ukraine https://youtu.be/ypP9g3hrdnI?si=vkwDgiNOEZI93_Ai
I'm thinking of buying my first AK. Should I get a WASR 10 or WBP jack?
>>64360313WASR if you can get one under 700 dollars. WBP if you can get one under 900 dollars.
>>64335928d-dad?
>>64360313If you can inspect it in the store(look at sight cant, headspace, mag compatibility) and get it for less than 700 then a WASR, otherwise the WBP is gonna be a much safer bet in terms of quality.
>>64339210>>64339848I got a zpap92 like that but without the top rail and booster. Does the rail hold zero on the dust cover or should I opt for a gas block rail or some kind of side mount?
>>64349127Indeed, I also enjoy these
>>64363032i think most people haven't had too many issues with the dust cover, but it isn't the MOST sturdy hinged dust cover, so i wouldn't expect it to be totally rigid. I only shoot irons on mine.
>>64361827>Nitride barrel vs CHF CL>Machined from billet trunnions, bolt, and carrier vs hammer forgedYou have not idea what constitutes quality.
>>64364270shut the fuck up tripfag
>>64364270WBP Jack>CHF CL barrel>cold hammer forged bolt>cold hammer forged carrier>supposedly billet trunnion but nobody actually knows for certain despite gripcocks constant cope >superior laminate wood furniture that is 100% superior to whatever mystery meat furniture a given WASR will have>straight sights>better triggerah, le wasr. Yesterday's trash, lemongrenade's dildo
NO Zastava
Are Galils and Galil Aces /akg/-friendly?
What’s Golden Tiger worth per round?
is ak good for you?
>>64364509Ye>>643644610.50>>64364416Na
Okay boys I'm copping a PSAK 101/ PSAK 103/ WBP 74/ WBP 556/ ZASATAVA M90/ ZASATAVA M70. any suggestions?
>>64364906zastava m90 or m85
>>64364911I'm buying them all, I can't get a M85.
OK get thisAn AK-12 cloneChambered in 300 BOIs it possible
>>64364359It is hilarious how much WBP fags cope over the meh tier laminate, when decent AKM furniture is a dime a dozen. It speaks a lot to the mechanical ineptitude that the "nice" WBP means so much to the average WBP owner, because the concept of swapping furniture out on a WASR is such boogeyman. >but nobody actually knows for certainI have numerous times posted not only photographic proof of the machined from billet front trunnions, but we also have WBP themselves saying in the past that ALL of those core components are machined from billet stock. >better triggerOnce again, if you actually shoot your AK, you'll just put an ALG AKT in there. You can swap an AK trigger right?
>>64364986In your post it is even stated FB Radom used milled trunnions when they couldn't get enough forged trunnions in during the Gommunism days. They never had any issues. So quantify how milled is bad when it was literally used on military spec rifles?
>>64365020>>64364986Forgot image in case you have never actually read the post you like to spam.
>>64365030>if FB couldn't meet production because they were poor slavs they would cut corners>therefore it's ok when we cut corners all the time and larp as a premium brandkek
>>64365139I accept your concession.
>>64364986>meh tier laminateit's perfect and comes with the rifle. It's better than the huge majority of wasr balsa wood i've seen, just saying. Surplus romy stuff is great.>we also have WBP themselves saying in the past that ALL of those core components are machined from billet stockthis is what gets confusing. WBP has said lots of things over the past like 10 or 12 years. Apparently they also used cast parts at some point but clearly that changed. Who fuckin knows; Misha says their forged, AOA says theyre forged "like the old days", so who knows man
>>64364416Yeah but people will reee cause Jews.
>>64364369Compelling argument. What if YES Zastava instead though?>Kosovo je Srbija
>>64364986Remember, this guy literally buys PSAK rifles and recommends them to people as high-quality rifles.
>>64365020>>64365030See:>>64365139Milled from billet stock trunnions, bolts, and carriers, are cope and not to spec, regardless of who does it. And this is why 1960s Circle 11 TRUE REAL Polish AKM parts kits builds go for what they go for. >>64365697>it's perfect>it's better than the cheap balsa 922r wood WASRs come withYes which is why anyone with a brain replaces the WASR wood, and ends up with a nicer and better AKM than a WBP, all for the small price of having enough testosterone to rotate the gas tube retaining takedown lever and lower handguard retainer lever to replace the furniture on a WASR. >WBP has said lots of things>so who knows manAh yes, I too like to buy FIREARMS, KILLING TOOLS, and leave it UP TO CHANCE as to whether or not they're made to the original spec the state funded engineering enterprises determined was best. >>64366218>recommends them to peopleWhen have I ever recommended a PSA? I shit on them constantly? Typical tranny behavior just making shit up. Per usual, no root in objective reality. kys
>>64366501>this is why 1960s Circle 11 TRUE REAL Polish AKM parts kits builds go for what they go for.no, they sell because people want a historical piece
Three position AK FRT updateNot running reliably in FRT SS mode currently unfortunately. Here is the by hand function test:https://streamable.com/ccgtvhThe three position AK FRT SS supposedly uses a standard 2 position cam and trip bar kit, combined with an auto disconnector and auto safety selector. I modified my extended enhanced aftermarket safety selector to have the profile of an auto one. >>64366512>want a historical pieceSome want the history for the sake of the historyMANY want the historical piece because the historical piece functionally is the superior firearm, and so it is more valuable, objectively, both in terms of history and knowledge and rarity, and in terms of function as a tool, intrinsically and by way of it being the historical piece as opposed to the new manufacturer commercial market facsimile sold to uneducated casuals pumped full of estrogen and disconnected from reality.
Carrier seemed to drag and get caught up depending how much trigger pressure was applied. Reprofiled hammer and it still occurred. Seems very trigger finger pressure related. Added gas and spring and still no good FRT SS function. https://streamable.com/qtkpjbWelding semi selectors to auto selectors not too hard. Did another one for my buddy's Yugo M72 RPK that I'm trying to get working with a 2 position AK FRT kit.
>>64366501>anyone with a brain replaces the WASR wood, and ends up with a nicer and better AKM than a WBPHAH, he thinks his civilian WASR "AKM" that was lazily beat and welded together for commercial export is a military firearm!
>>64366532WASRs in full auto configuration have been exported to real militaries and paramilitaries (albeit a lot in Africa) for over 30 years now, and all come from the same massive ROMARM state arms factory, Circle 21 Cugir. WASRs and similar AKMs made by Cugir have been used by CIA and other us contractors in GWOT. A WASR, even an import model slated for the US commercial gun store shelf, is significantly closer to a real weapon than a fucking WBP.
>>64366501to be fair you recommended PSA parts, not guns
>>64366543WBP has been exported parts for years too, as far as i remember
>>64366632I never "recommended" PSA parts. I argued that PSA core trunnions, bolts, and carriers, and only for the 7.62x39 AKM geometries, being true forgings, were likely superior parts that I would recommend and prefer over machined from billet WBP trash. That being said, I still would never "recommend" said PSA core parts... when you get get a real euro AKM spec Cugir Romanian parts kit just as easily. >>64366634What do you mean exported parts? Like core parts and rifle bits for US builders? Yeah they have, and no one with any sense buys and uses those parts except Meridian Defense so they can fleece customers for as much profit as possible.
>>64364986That post is from before FoxGen2 and Jack even existed. The FoxGen2 and Jack for American market was a custom design unrelated to the cheaper trash you refer to from 2017. You still have no objective evidence to support your claims that FoxGen2 from 2021 and Jack use cast trunnions and bolts.
>>64367207Billet, anon. He's claiming that their components are billet.
>>64367454Cast or machine/billet whatever the claim. There is no objective evidence to support it. Its as ludicrous as "WBP is sending us factory rejects"
>>64367517There are several factory tour videos that show the trunnion in various stages of machining with features that would make no sense if they were die forged. It’s 100% confirmed that the trunnions are milled out of forged bar stock. The correct cope is to say that the grain structure is oriented in a way that is just as good as a die forged part when taking the life of the other components into consideration and FB Radom deemed this was a valid corner to cut blah blah blah. Pretending that there’s a secret die forging process when there’s literally zero evidence for it and WBP themselves never directly claim it makes you look like a sycophantic retard (aka a typical WBP fanboy).
>>64367717Saying those videos are clear, many of them old, is shit. Gripfag, start a new thread on files. I think this deserves to be addressed by others with more experience and the vendors who are selling them.
>>64367744They’re unclear to you because you’re ignorant and are also incapable of rotating shapes in your head.
>>64367775Make a thread. I want to see Atlantic and WBP address this. I want to know if the rifles made specifically for American market (not other markers or customers) were depicted in that video. Make a fucking thread and stop being a pussy.
>>64367776No. Go read the other threads in the archives. You need to show literally any evidence of your imaginary die forging process existing for trunnions and bolts.
I've read them all and its never been addressed. Only one comment brought it up, but they did it the wrong way. I'm sitting in files "Atlantic Firearms" section waiting. Thats where it needs to go since they are one of the major parties involved. I'm going to comment as soon as you post and support your quest for the truth. The hearsay needs to end. Two months of this fucking shit now. We need definitive statement and evidence.
I'm going to buy a Zastava M85 this week and kit it out for night vision use and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
>>64367799Show me the raw forgings or eat shit
>Wont post on files to get formal answer>shits up /akg/ daily with weak ass evidence
>>64367859You don’t understand either process so why do you even care? I can look at official promotional material and intuit the answer because I know they aren’t going to half machine a trunnion out of forged bar stock, stick it in a die and then finish machine it, which is the process you’re proposing.
>>64367775>They’re unclear to you because you’re ignorantit is unclear because we don't know exactly what forging processes WBP uses for each rifle model they make and any comments we have of forging/assembling processes come from multiple sources multiples years apart. Even WBPs own words sometimes contradict each other in all of these comments and that's probably because they've changed over time; we've seen this with WBPs manufacturing before.The biggest pieces of evidence for billet trunnions comes from a video clip of billet trunnions and a comment from WBP from years ago. Everything else is apparently old military spec.
>>64367941They used to use cast trunnions and have moved to milled trunnions. There’s not really any ambiguity or contradiction. I object to the billet terminology used ITT because that can imply that the stock is cast or extruded. I believe them when they say the bar stock is forged. They never directly claim that the bolts or trunnions are hammer forged like they do with the carriers. They merely say that they’re milled from forged steel which is consistent with what we see in the factory tours. You need to show evidence that the secret hammer forge for bolts and trunnions exists. It would be cool if they updated their process to be fully hammer forged, but I haven’t seen any evidence for it besides WBP copers repeating their headcanon.
>>64368004im pretty sure they have straight up said their bolts and carriers are hammer forged. AOA and Atlantic said so as well; i think Misha and even James Reeves. There is no clear answer and that might even be on purpose. Im on the side of not giving a fuck because evidently no WBPs have blown up or fallen apart, and yeah i know about the 2 or 3 bolts that have come up, but that's probably not to do with the trunnion lol
>>64368044On AoA they say>These are brand new production AKM47 7.62x39 cold hammer forged bolt carriers produced by WBP>100% machined from forged steel like the originals and always sized to the proper journal size 2 (23mm)>These bolts are fully machined from forged steel just like the original military soviet era produced bolts.Notice the difference? The carrier is hammer forged and the bolt/trunnion are machined from forged steel. Sure, the “forged steel” could refer to a hammer forged blank. But with the context given by the factory tours we can assume that they mean they machined down forged barstock. The “like the originals” is also a sneaky wording trick as well. We know that the originals were all hammer forged, but WBP says that FB made up production demand by milling from barstock. So “like the originals” could mean either hammer forged or milled from stock. I agree with you that this is probably all intentional. The thing that chaps my ass is that we can see the trunnion in various setups throughout the machining process which means some are milled. One of the main advantages of hammer forging is that it roughs out the shape of the part, so why are we seeing milled sections of the trunnions that have less form that a forging blank? Why are cam paths programmed and actively running for these intermediate steps? It’s proven out that at least some are milled from stock. I guess it’s plausible that they’re a production surge and these are just making up the gaps like FB Radom did in soviet times. But then why do they only show forging blanks for the carriers? I just want to see any evidence this process exists. >Im on the side of not giving a fuckThis is the right side. We’re not seeing wide spread catastrophic failures like we did in the cast trunnion days. The handful of bad bolts could have been an isolated bad heat treat or really hot ammo. I’m still going to use their trunnions in my builds when I need a new trunnion.
M70AB2
>>64368476My brother in Christ, oil your rifle.A little ballistol on a rag would do wonders.>unless you're going for that crusty Somali pirate lookAlso where's your cleaning rod?
What AKM wood should I get?
>>64368476Based
was this a good buying price? lmao the store had a good bunch of these for that price
>>64368885Thats not horrible all things considered. I'd probably buy some.
>>64368534Lost it sounding one day :/
>>64368630Gas block/grenade sight is pretty useless to me but I love the look of them. Want to keep this one as stock as possible (+cleaning rod). Whats /k/ favorite 5.56 AK? I'd tacticool one out to avoid doing much of anything to the m70
>>64367207>>64367454>>64367517>cast or machine/billet whatever the claimroflmfaoThis is exactly the heart of the matter with WBP apologists. "whatever the claim"How can you even begin to argue or have a discussion in good faith if you won't take the time to at a technical level even understand what it is we're arguing about? Cast parts are completely different than machined from billet parts, which are completely different that finish machined from true forgings. The most recent TFBTV 2025 factory tour video clearly shows front trunnions which are partway through machining, and you can see that the part is being machined from billet bar stock, IE not a true forging, because there are dimensions to the unfinished part which are LARGER than the dimensions in the same place on a true forging part. Picture related. >>64367717>with features that would make no sense if they were die forgedDamn anon are you telling me you have both EYES and technical knowledge and understanding. Fugg bruh > The correct cope is to say that the grain structure is oriented in a way that is just as good as a die forged part when taking the life of the other components into consideration and FB Radom deemed this was a valid corner to cut blah blah blahExactly. I would have MUCH more respect for the WBP argument if they were taking this line of reasoning, saying that the grain structure in the machined from billet bar stock as it related geometrically to the external load bearing surfaces is comparable enough to the case of a true forging that the part will make due as a machined from billet stock. But WBP defenders are stupid, uneducated, disconnected from reality trannies, and couldn't possibly have a real discussion, when the very nothing of objective reality is existentially challenging for them. >>64367775>incapable of rotating shapes in your headLol exactly, maybe he really is a real woman!>>64367799>definitive evidenceWatch the fucking video of the 2025 TFBTV tour
>>64368004>I object to the billet terminology used ITT because that can imply that the stock is cast or extruded. I believe them when they say the bar stock is forged.Okay fair point. I'll start being more careful to call out that the billet bar stock WBP is using for the core parts (as I contend they are), is billet bar stock made in a forge. It is forged billet bar stock, as opposed to cast or drawn. I have known that and believed that to be the case, and it doesn't change my argument. A machined from billet bar stock, even if the billet bar stock itself is a forged bar stock, does not result in the same grain structure with respect to external load bearing geometry as a true forged part. It might result in SOME overlap for SOME aspect of the load bearing, especially if the part is only being loaded along ONE axis, but we know that is hardly the case for the core components in question, which is why a billet bar stock part, even if the billet bar stock itself is forged, does not result in a functionally equivalent part. >>64368564Depends on what kinda AKM it is going on?
>>64368176Excellent analysis anon. What is most imblessive is you're not even a lawyer, you're just an intelligent person. Based. >I'm still going to use their trunnions in my buildsRee I take it all back. Why would you do that when new Cugir parts are available?https://armsofamerica.com/rak1-rifle-new-production-cugir-romania-akm-no-barrel/
>>64369212>How can you even begin to argue or have a discussion in good faith if you won't take the time to at a technical level even understand what it is we're arguing about?Because there's been half a dozen people or so in this general all with different claims about what parts are made how.
>>64364369Zastava makes the best AK's.
>>64369242i am yet to see any evidence billet vs forged is significantly different
What do you guys use to lube your aks?
>>64369778I like my ak like I like my sex, dry a rough.
>>64369714Almost why I brought it up here >>64365030 The namefag has yet to actually show why, a process that was also used by a state owned arms factory, being used by a commercial venture is somehow worse.
>>64369778White lithium grease, as per Jim Fuller's recommendation
>>64369902>Jim FullerThe guy who builds overpriced AKs has good advice?
>>64369951He does, actuallyIt's worked pretty well for me
>>64369808>has yet to actually show whyI know you're a soi boi tranny or whatever, but have you ever drilled into wood and had it split along grain? Have you ever actually worked with metal and seen parts break? Picture related explains why a true forged part is superior to a machined from billet bar stock (even a forged billet) part. The geometry defining the relationship between the parts internal grain structure and external surfaces and by extension, forces, is totally different between a true forged part vs a machined from billet (even forged billet) part.
>>64369808It's worse, it's metallurgy 101 - WBPniggers are seriously subhuman. The correct question like >>64369714 asks is "how much worse is it?". As far as the trunnion goes, not enough to practically matter, especially when you consider the price of a replacement rifle and the cost of ammo. If you were a nation state, the price of hammer forging tooling would be offset by extending millions of rifles service lives but when you're one nigga with a post Obama ammo budget it's not going to matter. That's not to say you shouldn't demand better from a "premium" brand when even PSA correctly forges their shit instead of being a cuckold consumer who defends a slavs for cutting corners and using ambiguous marketing.
>>64370003I would argue that given the wildly inaccurate WBP guns we've seen, 4-8 MOA, the out of battery detonations that have also been reported, there is a chance that the front trunnion failures we're seeing due to the inferior manufacturing process are not showing up as catastrophic breaks in the trunnion itself, but are showing up as shifting headspace which then results in OOB detonations and shit accuracy.
>>64369998So the general consensus excluding WBP buyer's remorse is if an AK uses forged parts, it is good to go? What manufactures that are still easily accessible to buy used forged parts?
>>64370021I wouldn't paint with such a broad stroke, but I will say overall I would vastly prefer and recommend an AK built with true forged components over a "wall-hanger" built with cost cutting objectively inferior billet components. To answer your question a bit more directly, it depends on what you mean by easily accessible, but the irony is that the VAST majority of AKs on the market EXCEPT WBP use true forgings, including most of PSA's shit AKs. In terms of buy it now availability and cost, you can't beat a WASR honestly. Just don't be a bitch soi tranny faggot and be incapable of swapping in some nice romanian wood furniture. But honestly Zastavas are legitimately made these days, real FB Radom Circle 11 Beryl guns, Bulgarian guns etc.
>>64370013I hadn't seen the OOBs (not doubting you, it's on me being uninformed). That's pretty interesting, that probably means the barrel pin is egging the trunnion. It could still be a heat treat cope but I need to do my reading and maybe amend my milled indifference. I'm still suspicious that the lack of widespread WBP failures is just the fact that WBPfags don't actually shoot their guns. Like not even a post sanction amount, they just don't shoot at all.
>>64370021Brand new, $870, cold hammer forged chrome lined barrel, true forged components, all at the real ROMARM Cugir STATE military factory Circle 21 in Romania. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1116203353And a real military surplus laminate and bakelite grip furniture set:https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1131273002>>64370047https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p0MFnlCXQoQ>don't actually shoot their gunsThis is 100% the most likely reason we're not really seeing AS MANY failures. These are the same faggots that truly believe the most valueable aspect of their WBP purchase is the "nice" laminate furniture which is just new production shit for the commercial market, because these are the same man(womynx)children who probably can't even swap an AK furniture set out.
>forging supports civilized society>>64370047>>64370003So another aspect of the conversation to consider, and this is a perspective I struggle still to truly adopt and apply universally, even though I'm confident it is the correct perspective from which to analyze these things, isn't "how much worse is it?", but rather, "what is best?".In the case that we're truly treating the firearms in question like real firearms, killing tools, mean to take lives in justifiable situations, situations which in their very definition of justifiable, imply the NECESSITY to take that life, and in the case that we're dealing with necessity, then we ought not ever ask or analyze the firearms choice from "is this good enough" or "how much worse is it", but rather just "is this the best". We know machined from billet is not the best. So our entire question is answered. WBPs are not real guns. They're wall hanger toys.
>>64370088>>64370080>>64370060>>64370032>>64370013>>64369998Okay the image spam is great. But does it make any fucking difference in the context of what an AK goes through in the course of its life?
>>64335928Missed it by a few hours. Damn.
>>64370117it probably doesnt, gripcock is just having a melty once again. Probably freaks the fuck out over cast metal gas blocks too even though it doesn't really make a difference and Russia ok'd it. I know it's not a core part however it is a pretty important part... and any casting vs forging is technically a downgrade so... i would rather be concerned if the bolts were actually billet, which they don't appear to be. Keep in mind, dumb bitches who make AK conspiracies more than they shoot were straight up spamming cope about how WBP bolts and carriers were cast metal, and thus downright lied ITT. For some bizarre reason there is a huge incentive for gayboys like lemongrenade to shit on WBP. He's been shitting on WBP for years solely for them being a commercial factory rather than a military one; so you best believe that the second something comes up that sounds weird, people like gripcock and lemongrenade will freak out because it validates their purchases.
>>64370396700 dollars saved
>>64370649Sure, but at what cost.>$649My AIMS-74 dreams are dashed.
>>64370117>But does it make any fucking differenceSee this post:>>64370080Objectively we can understand and know that a true forged part is superior in terms of durability and strength, isotropically, not just along a single axis like a cope milled part. Then we ask the question, are we buying a toy wall hanger noise maker that "feels" like a gun thanks to the "nice fit and finish" or are we buying a killing tool, you know the kind that can reliably blow some trannys head off (justifiably, they're diddling kids)? Are we buying a real weapon, or a toy facsimile? If the latter, sure it doesn't matter what manufacturing process is best, or which was determined by state level engineering firms pouring millions and millions of dollars into R&D to be the best. So long as the wood is pretty and it looks like an AK, then we're happy in our fantasy land with our fake genitals and fake hormones. But if we're looking for the former, a real life or death implement, we only reasonably and rationally should elect for the best materials and manufacturing processes, and as already established in terms of metallurgy, true forged parts are stronger (geometry independent). >>64370484>bolts were actually billet, which they don't appear to beLol you live in fucking fantasy land? What evidence do you have the bolts are true forged? We have STRONG photographic evidence the front trunnions are made from billet. We have WBP themselves saying in the past that the bolts are made from billet. We have a 2025 factory tour showing ZERO forges or forging processes ongoing, but PLENTY of le baby's first CNC company machines all over, PLUS them saying proudly (lol) that they're 100% in house now... ergo, machined form billet bolts.. OH and don't forget the actual reports of broken bolts, and the shit accuracy...>shitting on WBP for yearsLol you're making shit up again, I literally just picked this torch up the other week?>validates their purchaesThe fucking irony.
>>64370484Can you link to posts that said the carriers were cast?
>>64371313previous /akg/ threads
>>64371320Give me the actual post numbers. I ask because the carriers are literally the only component that we have a positive confirmation are actually forged…
>>64371298>We have WBP themselves saying in the past that the bolts are made from billetat one point they also apparently used cast parts but not anymore, what's your point? Do you think they haven't changed anything? They've clearly changed a lot>We have a 2025 factory tour showing ZERO forges or forging processes ongoing, but PLENTY of le baby's first CNC company machines all overthat's even worse proof than the post from years ago wherein they said their parts are machined. Of course they will have CNC machines.>OH and don't forget the actual reports of broken boltsthere are how many? 2 reported over the past year? I legitimately dont even know since barely any WBP bolts have been broken; and dont give me that cope you gave a thread or two ago wherein you assume there are way more broken bolts that are simply not reported on and forgotten... WBP AKs all over have had hardly any issues over the years other than some bad batches of their 5.56 guns (from what i've heard) and those issues werent even because of core parts bursting apart (other than a firing pin). I just find it hard to believe that WBPs are going to fall apart at any minute when they've been in people's posessions for years, and even after thousands of rounds people's parts still look perfectly fine, no cracks or deformations. If there are pics of cracked and/or deformed parts i would legit like to see them.ALSO idk why nobody has just cut their bolts or trunnions in half to at least get SOME kind of analysis on the grain structure in the metal
>>64371324mang idk mang, i dont feel like digging in any archives for those posts. People were claiming they had cast core parts like 3 /akg/ threads ago. I remember it, surely someone else does too. It could have very well just been shitposts
>>64371369>ALSO idk why nobody has just cut their bolts or trunnions in half to at least get SOME kind of analysis on the grain structure in the metalThere was an anon in the last thread saying that the metallurgy lab near him wanted ~350 bucks for it iirc
>>64371402small price to pay to make people stfu
>>64371415The 545 WBP trunnions are on sale on AoaI thinkIm too lazy to checkDont let your dreams be memes, anon
>>64371419the issue is even if the 5.45 one is forged or billet, then people will say the 7.62 or 5.56 ones are different
WBP W = WILLB = BEAUTYP = POWER
WBP trunnions are back in stock at Atlantic and it says they are machined from forged steel "like the originals". Chat is this real
>>64373938Grok status?
>>64335928/akg/ has been ass lately and that is saying something.
>>64374385ass krap general
>>64370396What is site is this? I remember on gun broker a few months ago it sold I think for 1000+
Love my 5.45 WBP (pic related, has furniture no recent photos). Bought a cheap bayonet, I know they bayonets are literally just butter painted like steel but is it worth sharpening the tip at all? Just looks a little dull
>>64375950I don't like the extended release and switch thingy they did. Btw does anyone know if there are quality 5.45 fakelites being made?
>>64375950Bayonets are supposed to be dull, it’s not steel it’s aluminum, don’t sharpen it.>>64376577Fakelites all look like shit compared to the real thing.
>>64376602Real things are like $150
>>64375950What >>64376602 said. If you were to run at something with that bayonet extended it would penetrate it. If they're too sharp they could get stuck in something.
>>64376577>>643766075.45 bakelites are not that expensive. I have two plums that I got for less than $100>>64376602>>64376611Cool thanks frens
>>64376577>>64376618im retarded ignore me, still no bakelite is $150
>>64376618Oh yeah but the orange ones are super expensive. I never seen one for elss than $100
>>64376628That’s uh, not really expensive guy.
>>64376677Over $100 for one single magazine isn't really expensive?
>>64376695he's used to AK prices, like 1800 dollar FEGs, ammo for 45 to 65 cents per round, and supa rare handguards that cost two testicles (that's not including shipping)
>>64376577As someone who owns a Beryl I will say those extended mag releases has made me never want to use a normal sized one again.
>>64377217yeah its nice
so, I dunno what the monkey at altantic did to this wasr underfolder but regular ak mags sit too low and the bcg just goes over them wheres the included psa mag doesn't wobble at all. How do you fix this?
>>64377264? If the bolt carrier didn't go over the mag, magazine fed firearms wouldn't function. The bolt would just slam into the mag.Are you saying it won't strip rounds out of surplus mags, but will with the PSA mag?Have you shot it and had these issues or is this just hand cycling/function testing?
>>64377379>Are you saying it won't strip rounds out of surplus mags, but will with the PSA mag?yeah, you gotta hold up the surp mags so the bcg picks up the round.
>>64377499Sounds like your mag catch needs replacing. >When they convert them from single stacks after import they shave the mag catch to use standard double stack mags. Sometimes they fuck that up, or they're just cutting it for "bulkier" domestic/polymer mags.Either way, should be an easy fix. But since it's a new rifle it might be more prudent to contact either Atlantic or Century and see if they'll make it right before you start trying to fix it.
>>64376577>he can afford 5.45 but not a real bake>>64376618>plum is bakeliteok
Anyone here have any experience with the GF5 line of AKs? The specs seem really good on paper
>>64377628>plum is bakeliteYeah i said my bad sit on it and spin
has anyone fucked around with a reddot on the gas tube under night vision? im wondering if it would be too low for passive aiming or low mounted dots in general
>>64377681Zastava > Russian > Chinese > Romanian > Bulgarian > PSA > Pioneer > IODidn't care enough about the others or too rare.
>>64377932Why tho. Why are any of these better or worse than the others
>>64377681I'm just regurgitating what I've heard, but PSA seems to have trouble with consistently manufacturing their core components. There have been semi-consistent reports of the guns losing headspace or having galling issues with the carriers, bolts, and trunnions. It seems like PSA has trouble consistently heat treating their components.This is just my impressions from YT vids and forum posts, so take it with a grain of salt
is mini jack ok
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>>64377939QC, Quality, materials, features...
>>64378422Now, today.
I ordered a WASR yesterday.
>>64380796i ordered a 2 hamburger slider combo from sheetz yesterday
>>64380796Good.>>64380881Haram.
just finally shot my bnib M70 that i traded an old guy for. It's great, dunno what else i would have expected. I genuinely want to buy every Zastava. Already have an M90 and 92.
The GPN railed dust cover works surprisingly well, if anyone was wondering.
How is Atlantic/AoA able to sell trunnions as milled from forgings if they are actually milled from bar stock, unforged metal? I'm confused here
>>64380989Nice, I was thinking about getting the Cnc warrior folding stock and surplus pistol grip/handguard. Pic not real, just my PSA
>>64381753That thing isn't hinged, how well is it secured? Holding zero so far?Read their description and it's some sort of clamping mech apparently.Can you explain it better or show it?I'm having a hard time wrapping my smooth brain around it.
>>64363032Haven't used the rail on it, irons have been pretty much on. I'm gonna put a red dot on it and see if it holds zero, if not I'm gonna get an ultimak for it.
>>64381237Zastava is so fucking good
>>64382073It's a copy of the fab defense pdc. It attaches like a regular dust cover. The dial at the rear adds tension via a bracket around the recoil spring assembly, pulling the dust cover into the receiver. Holding zero so far. It has literally no play. It's sturdier than my galil ace.
>>64382023You need a cleaning rod NOW nigga.
Need it or sneed it?
>>64383221Good price, thats a US barrel fyi
>>64383221yeah thats an amazing deal in 2025 send it!
>>64383221chuck it
>>64377551is replacing it hard
just bought an M85
>WBP Niggers parroting for 5 threads that BILLET SHIT TRUNNIONS are “JUSS AS GOOD!” >WBP Fags on suicide watchAhahahahahahaha
>>64385725You forgot your trip. Also knowing how mentally ill you are I wouldn't be surpized if that was your post. Either hatred has made you loony.
posted in wrong thread so posting it again.First time AK buyer. In the US.Ideally looking for an AKM variant or something similar.some of the things i'm looking for>cheap>sturdy>somewhat better at range than other AK variants (I know cheap AKs aren't known for this) so this one is completely optionalhad my eyes on the century arms VSKA, but I was wondering what (you) would suggest. I'm an almost a no-guns newfag, just have a shotgun and a revolver, looking for a no nonsense reliable Rifle for cheap so I figured AK's were the best option.pic unrelated
>>64386067The only three "entry level" AK options you should be looking at are a WASR-10, WBP Jack, or a Zastava M70
>>64386067Don't buy that garbage. Also AKs aren't for poors anymore, with ammo bordering on .50pr.
>>64386067>a no nonsense reliable Rifle for cheap>I figured AK's were the best optionI love aks but honestly in the US in current year an ar15 is going to be cheaper (rifle and ammo), just as reliable, and as no nonsense as you want it to be.If you're set on an ak though listen to >>64386107
>>64385775Delusional cope from a WBP nigger. Your billet shit rifle will always be a commercial tier billet shit rifle. Seethe
>>64386637cope
>>64386637zomg... the ak... deformed!?
anyone with an sbr'd rpk?a shorty lmg build makes my cock throb
>>64386711Isn't that just like, a normal AK
>>64386711>Neva ben dun b4
Have any of you tried out airshit Zenitco clone parts? Since I'm not taking my AK to war it seems like a reasonable alternative to paying hundreds of dollars for what little remains on the market of the real deal. If you have tried it, did you run into any issues? Durability, things getting fucked up after heating up, etc?
>>64386726Like a shortstackBuilt in the right places
So I got an AK similar to pic related, got the stamp and am now preparing to cut the barrel, gonna buy the crowning tool and front flat facing tool from brownells.My main question is the method of the cut. I got a hacksaw and will attach a thin washer to the thread protector as a guide, but how much faster and effective would a sawzall or even a chop saw be? Or is a hacksaw not that bad?Tips?
>>64387225Hacksaw is fine. Plug the barrel with a foam earplug or something so metal shavings dont get into the gun
>>64386874Anon that's just an AK-74 with a thicker barrel, isn't it?After all this time, I finally see.
>>64387434?
>>64386711>thicker barrel>thicker receiver>thicker trunnionZastava
>>64387434>AK-74>is actually a chopped Yugo M72AB1>After all this time, I finally seeSee what? That you need glasses?
>>64387225do people really go through all the money and effort to chop a barrel just to end up using a hacksaw?? Wouldnt a bandsaw be a bit better and easier?
>>64386637
>>64386067I like my WASR FWIW.
Is there an approved list of builders? I really don't feel like buying all the tooling just to fuck up building a kit that costs what they do now.
>>64387720Shout out to all my homies who have a surplus of diamond saw blades and don't give a fuck about crowns.
>>64369778Grease. Whatever you like, high temp resistant the better. Oil just don't last long enough in an AK considering the sheer open space and heat in these shits.
>>64386938Stop chasing zenit. It's over and you will be scammed. Besides better alternatives exist nowadays.
Recreator has their AK-12, AK-15 and AK-19 "builder kits" up. $1300 for the gun and a furniture kit available at a later date.
Anyone have a tantal upper handguard they would be willing to sell? I wanna swap the furniture on my Beryl to a plum AK74 set I have (not chopping the butt for the tang, gonna get a bonesteel stock) and those handguard adapters for the Beryl/Tantal I don't think are made anymore.
>>64335928Ni hao, rook at my Garir
>>64389304would you even need diamond i genuinely never cut a barrel but sure have cut other metals
>>64377932>zastava at topWhy? All the military contract factory imports basically do all the same stuff and zastava does it the heaviest with the least surface treatment.
What kind of an AK is the left one, picrel?
>>64391243AMD-65. Looks like he's just ziptied the upper HG to the ferrule-less gas tube in order to keep it on
>>64391249Interesting.
>>64390191Norinco Hunter?
>>64345165PSA doesn't make a 103 copy>inb4 you post a link or screencap of a PSA """AK-103"""Internally the rifle is incorrect, it lacks a bump rivet, and the stock hinge pin is wrong. All they are making is a mutant AK in 7.62 with a side folder trunnion.
>>64391707Yeah, the average PSA buyer doesn't give a fuck about any of that.
>>643893230 reading comprehension
>>64391129God is a serb. That's why.
>>64336281>>64337831There's gonna be in maybe a year or so, if not already.Got mine last year, but the fags in parliament will be voting to reverse the gun legislation change of 1st August 2023, that allowed Swedish hunters to buy "militaristic" (AR-15, PTR GIR, Kalashnikov, the likes) semi auto rifles.In essence, we're probably looking at a buy-back of upwards to 10'000 rifles, and apparently they'll fund it by taking the dough from a Ukraine aid package, and then send everything to Ukraine.If this crap cones to pass, which looks fairly likely, I'll probably stick a cigar, and an apology letter in the cleaning kit hole. Got to cheer up the poor sod who ends up with a semi auto on the battlefield.
>>64394190>Let me just surrender my guns to the government so they can fund a loosing war for retardsDon't be a bitch.
New thread>>64394571>>64394571>>64394571
>>64335928terrorists love that gun because it does what it does spreads terror.
