RN'S BACK... TELL A FRIENDhttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/09/29/the-royal-navys-new-plan-for-literal-gunboat-diplomacy/
>>64342175>india rolls over out of habit, rejoins pakistan>raj reinstated>world becomes a better place
>>64342175>The mandate of Palestine is back>RN is returningOur plans are measured in centuries
>>64342175>OPVsAre we bullying the Seychelles?
>>64342175Can the UK navy take out the Indian/Chinese navy? Or is this just patrolling the Middle East with the US?
>>64342281>IndiaProbably, till the subs get involved though then the jeets win by virtue of simply having subs>ChinaNo shot
>>64342175Damn. Well we better get an EU fleet ready. This rogue island nation is clearly on the warpath. No telling what they will do when Farage is elected. We better start mining the Channel.
Who are Brits going to play gunboat diplomacy with? Venezuela?
>>64342356Argentina for old times sake
>>64342301>We better start mining the Channel.Please
>>64342362Those are the EU advanced landing and infiltration units.
>>64342175There is absolutely no reason that couldn't do the exact same thing and be a real naval combatant; a OTO and a dozen Brimstones would turn what is a barely armed coast guard ship into an actual Corvette. You could even bolt on a Avenger and it would have air defense, you might technically be able to call it a frigate if you threw on a few Harpoons.
>>64342175OPV's are a fucking trap - they can range in tonnage from a very large patrol boat through corvette to a light frigate but they represent the height of eurocentric stupidityThey're made for range and patrol endurance.... Like a US Coast Guard cutter...except cutters are universally ocean going and have an extensive armarments package built for but not with in case of war a cutter becomes a AShM/ASuM equipped ASW escort frigate/corvette. Cutters range in size from corvette to larger frigate equivalent and they have helipad decks unlike most of these JANK euroshit OPV's.OPV's have a garbage weapoins package the only thing they're going to be doing in a naval warzone is picking up survivors, small boat VBSS of neutral/unknown naval contacts, and fucking SINKING because they have no CIWS/RAM and rely entirely on other ships. THey cant even provide naval fire support because no 76 or 127mm gunTHe UK has a Coast Guard equivalent, wtf is the RN doing with an underarmed OPV?
>>64342405Most OPV classes do NOT have the extensive "For but not with" design that say, a US Coast Guard cutter has.These aren't going to be retrofitted to carry AShM or a 76mm gun (No magazine below).At best you can swap the light autocannon for a 57mm Bofors and add torpedos for ASW work.Oh and ATGM's for small boat work.and MANPADS to augment air defense.IE fucking pathetic, not even as good as a missile boat - of which most of the modern ones have CIWS
>>64342406>>64342420TO be fair the Batch2 River class (being produced now - most in service are Batch) has a flight deck for a Merlin or similar) which exponentially increases potential ASW capability - actually making it capable of doing proper escort tasks....still need to mount torps to the ship though...
>>64342444The sonar package on the Rivers is clowntown though, no included capability for a towed array or towed decoy - which means they will have to be retrofitted.Again US Coast Guard cutters are equipped with both towed array/Decoy capability so even with the helideck they're going to need to rely on a larger escort ship to be effective
>>64342461*the Rivers are going to need to rely on a larger escort ship
>>64342182Clowntown OPV with minimal ASW capability and no AShM>Gets dunked on by a 45 year old Osa missile boat
>>64342420>76mm gunThere is a compact 'light' version of the OTO specifically designed just for that, it would fit just fine where the 30mm is>AShMPut them on the helicopter or have them flat on the bow with swing up launchers. >ATGMBrimstone would fit anywhere. >torpedos for ASW workHelicopter or angled launchers under the flight deck.>MANPADSAvengers over the cabin and on a platform in the rear, they have .50s so they could get rid of the M2s and they would have a better angle against small boats. >CIWSAn OTO and the Avengers would fill that requirement. Would it be as good as a purpose designed frigate? No but it would be a massive upgrade to the existing floating turd that would literally get it's ass handed to it by the Nork Harbor Patrol Boat of Doom**It can carry two full sized torpedoes on either side of the cab, otherwise it would get shot to shit by the 30mm.
I am utterly mystified by the Western obsession with making stand alone littoral patrol vessels that would be vaporized by a Soviet era torpedo/missile boat let alone a modernish version.
>>64342485Seethe jeet, the rightful rulers of the subcontinent are coming back up the ganges
>>64342175>The Royal Navy currently has five River-class Batch 2 Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPVs) forward-deployed around the world: two in the Indo-Pacific, one in the Mediterranean, one in the Caribbean and one in the South Atlantic.Muzzies are floating across the English Channel and we only have five patrol boats. What do? Quick, deploy them as far the fuck away as possible
>>64342461It doesnt matter how much you keep wanking off US Coast Guard Cutters, most countries can't afford to buy and crew them or ships like them.
>>64342516The unfortunate view nowadays is "we'll get killed anyway, so we'll just make it cheap and expendable" which means everything has to be small and undergunned. The concept of combined arms or supporting larger ships is alien to them.
>>64342516"Muhterrorisums," mumbles the Westerner when confronted about his incredibly wasteful reduced collateral damage weapon system of dubious utility, "muhsurgents."
>>64345182>>64345184The really baffling thing is making a 2000 ton vessel with less firepower than some African pick up trucks. It would literally be more effective if you threw away all the weapons, parked a M6 Linebacker on the flight deck and had some guys with sitting under a umbrella with a couple of Starstreaks in the front.
>>64345234Now that i think of it; why not put a Linebacker turret on it? The latest version has 30mm airburst rounds and can use sidewinders.
>>64345234Fucking kek. The Ayatollah got it right all along.
>>64345261Thats how expensively cheap and retarded weâve become. >>64342175This boat is purely for bullying fishermen.
>>64342281>IndianIâm convinced that even a small navy like Australiaâs would rape the Indian navy let alone the RN. Hell food poisoning has a real chance of defeating the Indian navy>ChineseEven though they are untested in combat I think the PLAN would rape 99% of the worlds navyâs one on one, the USN is like the one navy that I think could go up against the PLAN and win just by itself.
>>64342498>Brimstone would fit anywhere> "BRIMSTONE could fit here" he thought, "I've never been on this vessel before. I could could fit BRIMSTONE anywhere on it." The cool South China Sea wind felt good against his bare chest. "I LOVE BRIMSTONE" he thought. Bigmouth Strikes Again by the Smiths reverberated his patrol boat, making it pulsate even as the ÂŁ9 pound rum circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of Chinese coast guard boats after dark. "With a Brimstone, you can bomb an cunt anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.
>>64345261I dare you to explain why my solution wouldn't be more combat effective than the current configuration. >>64345407FUKIN LOL U CUNT!That isn't inaccurate though, Brimstone is a really good multi platform missile. There is a reason Kim was balls deep in Shoigu's mouth after they showed up in Ukraine, Russia has nothing to counter the ground launched Brimstones besides Bulsae-4s.
>>64342175>River class patrol boat armament: >1 20mm gun>2 general machine gunesAre you telling me that a Sentinel class patrol boat with it's 25mm gun and 4 M2 brownings are more armored than the UK's new 1700 ton ships? And they've only got double the range...
>>64345437*more armed
>>64342498There's no hangar for the chopper.That alone is seriously going to hinder ocean going range and fleet & escort utility.They should have just called chevy and ordered some Corvettes
>>64345161It's the Royal Navy FFS not exactly a poverty tier force.There's not enough sausage rolls or fizzly dazzlers on the River class
OPV's made without "For but not with" capability are fucking retarded.Buy Corvettes, they exist for a reason.They don't have a viable wartime purposeOPV's used by blue/brown water navies and not their governments' Coast Guard/Customs/Revenue/Naval Militia/internal security are doubly fucking retarded.These JANK euroshit OPV's could be infinitely more useful if they could at least carry marines/naval infantry/special operations - but they would need to carry Assault boats (ex 2-4 RHIBS and a larger boat like a CB-90)and provide some naval gunfire support.
>>64345432From the little footage we have Bulsae-4s might not really be top attack, they are more or less Kornets with a shitload of fiber optic line and big motors that let them reach (Ukraine reported in some versions) 25k. They might not be 'top attack' so much as 'high ballistic arc' which accomplishes the same thing MOST of the time. It seems a minor distinction but it isn't; proper 'top attack' is independent of range, Bulsae's might very well have a minimum distance where they can't arc enough to hit the top of a target. It's still a big ATGM but angle of impact matters, it is worth noting that both platforms that use it are incapable of direct line of fire so it is absolutely a 'ballistic' system with a minimum range under which it is less effective or even inoperable. Take what you will from this post Ukrainian soldiers, TZD and sorry about me like both you and the Norks. >Forgive me Kim Yo Jong ̶y̶e̶s̶ no not my balls!>>64345460It's a littoral sea steading ship with no protection for it's only real asset not to mention it's only real offensive capability. That alone tells you it isn't a real military vessel, it's a (almost) unarmed brown water ship the size of a small frigate with zero defense capabilities besides against small motor boats. It is a lightly defended helicopter landing pad that at most could hold a hundred or so people on that deck under the landing pad for a few weeks before the overwhelmed it's supplies and water reclamation systems. It would be a great coast guard ship for ferrying migrants to your shores but otherwise it is almost useless as a warship, the UK is wasting alot of money on them especially since they would be easily upgrade to something actually useful. And when did the west stop using deck mounted torpedoes? The 60 foot Nork piece of crap in the image for the post you are responding to can carry two full sized wake homing torpedoes, are PT boats lost tech?
>>64345465>poverty tier force.The UK is broke so the Royal Navy is broke
>>64345502And yet here they are buying up BAe's overpriced garbage boats
>>64345487>>64345504>>64345465Look at the spare space under the flight deck. It's there so you can use it as a temporary barracks for a platoon of troops equipment or for about 100 people. You could fit a dozen torpedoes launching out the sides there and still have (cramped) quarters for a few dozen 'guests' or alternately nothing there: Instead get rid of the landing pad and install 72-144 VLS launch tubes with Sidewinders or Brimstones, the deck under the landing pad becomes where the missile exhaust vents. I believe it was designed with this idea in mind, it is the only way the design makes sense. If you did that as well as put a couple of Linebacker or Avenger turrets on the front it could be a nasty little 'pocket missile destroyer' if you wanted it to be actually useful in a military conflict, it would certainly be capable of bullying a poor nations navy.
>>64345532>bullying a poor nations navyDefined as anyone whose navy is lesser than Myanmar's. The Aung Zeya is alarmingly well armed for a ship it's size and i am quite sure will be equally lethal to both it's foes and crew in combat.
>>64342175I ain't paying or signing up for shit. Post it here.>>64342281>IndiaYes>ChinaNoIt's a small ship that can intervene at any territorial disputes and/or show the Union Jack >but muh 36 bazzilion guns survivabiltyIt's not a frontline ship, no shit it would die in a real battle. It's higher cost you can blame on BAE in order to keep them ticking over for the 26's.
>>64342288Uk has nuke subs
>>64345495>From the little footage we have Bulsae-4s might not really be top attack, they are more or less Kornets with a shitload of fiber optic line and big motors that let them reach like a spike?
>>64345641Almost exactly like a Spike. Suspiciously so to be honest.
>>64345682>>64345641To elaborate on that: A few years ago a Israeli company got bribed/hacked/whatever by China and suddenly copies of their entire product line showed up at an arms expo in Pyongyang, specifically the entire gen 1 HERO series. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UVision_Air
>>64345407>little did he know, a PLAN type 056A corvette was tracking the british rust bucket with passive sensors 120km north. Her captain suffering a bad mood from losing a string of fortnite matches.>âwhatâs that english boat doing here?â, the captain inquired to the XO, who was furiously slurping on a bowl of lanzhou style beef noodles he liberated from the kitchen.>âI donât knowâ, the XO replied between post slurping sighs, his attention firmly focused on the noodles with just the right amount of bite. âI heard the british went full retarded again and want to swing their flaccid dicks around the south china seaâ.>the captain cracked a crooked smile, remembering how some dipshit with a union jack in his name called BRIMSTONE LORD camped him all night in fortnite. âwe swapped out the training round with a real C-803, right?â >âyep. We got 4 rounds loaded at Ningboâ, the XO replied between short slurps, the bowl of noodles almost empty. âI already did the inventory check earlier, you donât have to worry about itâ.>âgood, goodâ the captain said. âCall up the Y-8 MPA for queuing and mid course request. Ask them if that fucking boat is in our watersâ.>âhuh? Why?â the XO puts down his bowl, his attention firmly focused on this strange request.>âdo you think theyâll sing rule britannia before they drown?â A chill wind blows over the South China Sea with murderous intent.
>>64345682maybe they got it from iran?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almas_(missile)
>>64345380Indians are immune to food poisoning or realy most NBC threats. They are hardened to it by swimming in sewage. Besides, the most common cause of food poisoning is spoiled meat. And jeets are vegetarian.They do have an aircraft carrier though. Aussies have very few big surface combatants.
>>64345770Maybe or maybe Iran got it from them or it was a joint effort. I am quite sure the DPRK doesn't care where they get technology from as long as they can get it. ̶S̶t̶e̶a̶l̶i̶n̶g̶ Independently developing weapons technology in the Songun Spirt that they ̶s̶t̶o̶l̶e̶ developed via the inspiration of the Kim family is basically the DPRKS brand at this point. Does it really matter how they got their claws into something? Once they get it they will never let go and pursue it to unreasonable lengths.
>>64342175Time wasting puffy piece OP. These OPVs have been deployed overseas for years. Nobody is talking about upgrading them.
>>64345744By God and the Ghost of Sung i order you to keep going upon threat of McClellan copypasta, this is hilarious.
>>64345797>Nobody is talking about upgrading themWe are talking about that. The only sort of person who would not want to talk about that would be a Russian. Are you perhaps a Russian?
>>64345744>âEello ello what do we have here? Capin the yanks are saying a Chink corvette is giving us the stink eyeâ>âAre they in BRIMSTONE range?â>âNoâ>âCan we get close enough to them to BRIMSTONE them?â>âProbably not, theyâll probably glass us long before we can get to them with their YJâsâ>âCan we BRIMSTONE their YJâs?â>âAlso probably notâ>âBugger, all well might as well begin invasive manoeuvres and hope they are not retardedâŠby the way did the yanks happen to say which vessel it is?â>âthe Huizhou Capinâ>The captains forehead creases âoh lads we might be in a sticky situation. If Australian intelligence is correct then the captain of that vessel goes by the name MightySeaSnakeSlayer_6969 on Fortnite. I recently pawned his arse and made a number of derogatory remarks concerning what his mother did for work when we owned Hong Kong and how percentage wise he is likely to be my bastard offspring. All hands to battle stations, I think we are in for a ride, try to bring us into BRIMSTONE rangeâ
>>64342356it's government sponsored propaganda. bascially they're saying gunboats are a good thing, don't look at the non-procurement of the type-26, it's barely capable replacement, the seven whole type 45s and forget most of the fleet is laid up. gunboats anon. and actually they're just patrol vessels with a single 30mm cannon. the mendacity of the british establishment makes dc look like boy scouts.
>>64345902Or they are doing Realpolitic because they know that the instant the PRC touches a UK ship the USA will come down on the PRC like the wrath of God and the US will send the UK several times the UK's GDP in military aid just like the last two times the UK asked the USA to help them.
>>64345846>âNO IâM NOT GUIDING A YJ83 (C803) INTO THAT VESSEL!â. The shock and anger from the Y-8âs flight commander were palpable even over encrypted VHF. âDid you bump your head on the bulkhead too hard? When fleet HQ okâd the flotillaâs deployment, it was to scare the pag-pag monkeys at scarborough, not to trigger an incident with a NATO member.â>The captain was miffed. Not because what Uncle Chang on the Y-8 said was wrong, but because his authority was challenged in front of everyone on the bridge. His XO is in the middle of a facepalm, the crew chief was staring at him with dead eyes, and the security ensign was trying way too hard to not crack a laugh.>And Uncle Chang really is his uncle. Not by blood, mind you. Chang and his father both served in the PLAN and were on the same boat during the Battle of Johnson Reef against the Vietnamese. His father was decorated after the battle but told him privately that Chang saved his life. Such implicit authority was uncomfortable for the captain.>âBut we can pay them back for the opium wars!â The captain protested.>âWe can sink every single Royal Navy surface combatant in 48 hours and we could have done that 5 years ago. Doesnât mean you should. Return to your patrol zone. I wonât record this incident on account of your parents but I will monitor your position. Stop shadowing that English boat!â>âRoger.â The captain replied, crestfallen.>And with that, the PLAN corvette broke off.>That is, until the VHF came alive on the open band>âRule Britannia! Britannia rules the waves! BRIMSTONE HAS NO EQUAL, NOW COME AND DO MY LAUNDRY, CHINAMANâ>The clouds darken over the South China Sea.
>>64345599Pretty irrelevant when only 6 of them are SSNs
>>64342175>BRITTANIA RULE THE WAVES!>Largest ships they can build are russo-nigger tier frigatesLOL
>>64342498I've been on bass boats bigger than this thing.
>>64345803Nobody serious.There's not enough space for the extra weapon engineer billets and the internals are deceptively small because they don't conform to the hull.The foundation of the design is fishery protection and light HADR that's been stretched with a few extra seakeeping mods. They don't even have a CIC.
>>64345911lol, an admission that the role of the UK armed forces is to try and drag the US into any given conflict.
>>64342175>River Class>On the oceanBongs are retarded
>>64342301I for one welcome the UK back to fleetmaxxing and should be its natural state, hopefully more EU states place orders for the Arrowhead 140, godspeed for getting H&W back into warship production Spain-UK
I need dat greentext BRIMSTONE fanfic to continue
>>64346804They call the ocean a pond, I'm sure it's just some quirky Brit understatement thing.
>>64345532That's a Batch 1 River. You can tell by the sharp corner on the bow. They are getting phased out. The Batch 2's look like this and are what are mostly in active service.
Why though? The only real threat is Russia, and they'd need to bypass a whole bunch of euro nations to do this.
>>64351285>implying the UK is going to sit out the war in the Pacific
>>64351326Bong carriers have transited the SCS twice while the Chinese carriers have never left port for more than 24 days so bongs automatically win
>new planThis is the real problem. They might be good for a role in the red sea but that's a third-time pivot from the requirements (again) of a regional power in Europe or the alternative of projecting power with allies in the Pacific.The submarine strategy was much better as would a strategy if actually solving the problem that causes a need for shitty patrol boats.>>64351412The carriers have no early warning fixed wing (they cope with helis) and can't put together sufficient escorts alone.You literally can't deploy these without NATO and even in current status they represent huge unaffordable white elephants chosen for a different world and a different strategy.
>>64351441yeah I'm just playing, the bongs will have to work with the japs to cobble together a proper CSG.
>>64351441You've read a headline and then made shift up.
>>64342190>Are we bullying the Seychelles?Nope, having minimum budget and effort overseas presence. Glorified coast guard cutters in places where they usually would have deployed a destroyer or frigate in the past. In some places those OPV's are doing the job they built for, search & rescue, EEZ enforcement, drug interdiction and shit.>>64342524>subcontinentThere is no more subcontinent, current term is subhumancontinent.
>>64351441>You literally can't deploy these without NATOMan, you should really go and tell the Royal Navy that, you obviously know so much more than them about early warning and control and the assets that the UK has access to. I'm sure they'd be grateful enough to give you a medal even.
>>64351441>You literally can't deploy these without NATO and even in current statusFrom an American pov: I really don't care. If we are going to have to fight the Chinese, I'd rather us not have to do it alone. Even if your/their shit isn't as good I'd rather it be there both functionally and symbollically. I felt the same about Afghanistan, Iraq, and Desert Storm.Additionally, if a conflict actually does break out, I would expect them to up-gun their shit, they just run it bare during peacetime to save a buck.
>>64342175Here you go for Faggot Fleet, the Chink Fishing Navy.
>>64342516Well since Russia + Water = Disaster, we never have to worry about that.
>>64342516Which Sea is this currently at the bottom of? Most likely due to Ukrainia fuckery...
>>64342524Okhondo Bangla is back?
>>64345184I know, it's so sad when you have to interrogate them via fucking ouija board.
