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The BTR Zigga Death is the anti-aircraft version of the BTR-D with a twin 23mm autocannon in an open top turret. The BTR-D is based on the BMD which had two PKT machine guns in frontal mounts. Probably the designer thought it was cool, like bmp firing ports. In many photos the zigga death mg ports are covered up. If I was in a BTR-D, I would rather have a grenade machinegun and 30 cal machinegun on turrets on top. Cause the bow mgs seem counterintuitive to use. Or a kpvt, capable of penetrating early model bradleys from the side or rear from within 200m.
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>>64342748
Russia is retarded, that's why.
What fucking shithole still makes hull MG's?
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>>64342778
Russia, but this vehicle is from the 70s so they might've had some other idea back then
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>>64342748
because it's an improvised vehicle to begin with
I mean, you can literally the tyres of the towed 23mm mount where it was not removed

not sure how true this tale is, but supposedly it was invented when the Army assigned the twin 23mm to BMD troops and they asked "how are we going to carry that 23mm ZU around? it takes forever to unhitch and bring into action" and the USSR replied "fucking figure it out yourself", so they played high explosive Jenga or babby's first Lego with it and simply planted the 23mm on top like so

in which case the bow MGs are like those weird fish with vestigial hands or whatever I suppose
it doesn't seem likely that they would be used simultaneously with the 23mm
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>>64342748
Again how this shit can shoot at supersonic planes at Wargame? Did Eugen really took vatnik data at face value?
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BMP-3s have them too, for some unfathomable reason. Which is weird 'cause the BMP-1 and 2 don't.
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>>64343207
>what is game balance
come now, anon
I enjoyed WGRD as much as anyone else, but it's not at all a simulation
(Kyiv heli rush notwithstanding)

>Did Eugen really took vatnik data at face value?
ALL Cold War games from Fistful Of TOWS down to CMANO pretty much do, because we have no alternative
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>>64342748
Because it's just a BTR-D technical. Not a specially-built version. So it has the same seating arrangement as the APC, which was given bow MGs because why the hell not if you're going to use that seating layout to pack two more gopniks in

Special-built variants like BMD-1KSh and 1v119, don't have them because they don't use that seat layout.
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>>64343207
I can shoot down a supersonic plane with it in war thunder, if I uptier it to 9.0 or higher
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>>64343235
there is a universe of difference between mouse aim and aiming an actual cannon. war thunder is not a realistic portrayal of combat and never can be.
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>>64342748
I guess it was en vogue at that time
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>>64343207
cheap spaa is there just to stun jets. Somehow eugen gave them caliber x 4 the amount of stun
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>>64343384
>Why town fell this time
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>>64343214
I think with the BMP-3, it was a way of giving the dismounts who have to sit up front something to do in hopes it would make the design seem slightly less bad.
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>>64343214
>>64350360
it's the nipples
for lactation purposes
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>>64350360
If I were a west german soldier and a bmd or bmp3 rushed me and I saw the turret and the bow machine guns blazing at me I would be terrified and would keep my head down. But you can shoot through them with rifle calibers so they would probably be dead after not too long
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>>64343214
maybe they can use the hydrostatic drive to wiggle the hull back and forth ?
not really aiming the hull machine guns well, but its something.
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>>64351272
They're aimed by the two dismounts who sit up front on either side of the driver.
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>>64351958
neat, machine gun sponsons make a lot more sense.
neutral steer is kind of hard on the tracks and gearbox.



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