How difficult is Marine OCS? I have a meeting with the OSO next week.

>>64345288
It is the most physical strenuous of all officer training. You need to be able to max out on the PFT to consider yourself competitive

Whats the best taxi service out here at 29?
Trying to rent at enterprise but they are out of cars

>>64347605
How cooked is your unit that no one can give you a ride, to the point that you have to ask on 4chan?
Johnnie The Driver seems to have good reviews, but you could have found that by just googling "29 palms taxi."

What should I do in regards to the romanian armed forces reserves? remain a civilian? Be a volunteer conscript? Or be a long term romanian reservist?
Basically all this started with me thinking about joining the army for the past 2 years or atleast volunteering for conscription so that I can get on how to use an ak if not a pistol and a knife.
However just being a volunteer conscript comes with the downside of being registered with the army, so when war breaks out I am first to the frontline as I'm a simple private probably trained only in infantry.
So if it does come to that, why shouldnt I become a reservist?
You have 4 options to join the romanian armed forces reserves:Grunt, NCO, warrant officer and officer.
Grunt you need 8th grade education, NCO uni entrace exam, warrant officer trade-master school and officer university.
As a volunteer conscript you get 600usd a month for the 3-4 month training period.
As a reservist you get 30% of your rank pay and the entirety of your "unit position" pay for when you are not "active" or outside the 15 days a year where you do instruction.
During your reservist training you either get the same 600usd a month sum or less the higher you go up the hierarchy from grunt to officer. It isn't clear and not even military recruiters know for sure.
1/2

2/2
My goal if I join the reserves is to reach a high rank of officer.
At the moment, after looking at all the loopholes, the way forward seems to first become a volunteer conscript, then using my university entrance exam become some sort of nco or using my electrical technician accrediation to become a warrant officer and after I do my 4 years in maritime uni for EE I will try to use it to become a reserve officer while at the same time I get into the merchant navy and make bank. After this I intend to go after a bachelors and masters in ME to become a chief engineer. That way I get a bunch of money, and I also get trained on how to use an ak and a pistol potentially also a knife besides priceless knowledge on how to be a grunt, nco/warrant officer and an officer.
Or should I skip it all together and remain being a civilian in case of war?

>>64348009
>>64348019
Dude, I truly wish anybody here could help you, but I don't think anyone here could even tell you what Romanians look or sound like, let alone give detailed advice on their military. I hope you're posting this question in other places too, in the hopes thay somebody somewhere will be able to assist.

>>64348167
>I hope you're posting this question in other places too, in the hopes thay somebody somewhere will be able to assist.
I am but I have actually received more information about the modern romanian military from foreigners than from fellow "romanians".
When I asked this in forums dedicated for romanians I was cussed out by a bunch of incoherent people who wrote in almost unintelligible romanian with no punctuation and mostly in ALL CAPS.
My post constantly reported by 15 different IPs according to the admin for more than 12 hours so they had to shut it down for them to not get spammed with emails. I was told this as an apology.

I do not fucking know why this happened or why fellow "romanian" "nationalists" wanted to vote for a gypsy president who wanted to bring over "indians" especially "discriminated dalits" as they're "our brothers". They chimp out if you call him a gypsy who's nationalist platform was even more welfare for gypsies by literally buying them any apartment they want paying the owner hand over fist for it outbidding actual romanians.
Same sort of people also chimp out if you say romania is a corrupt shithole.

I know just as much as you do, basically.

>>64348244
That entire second paragraph was irrelevant to this discussion lmao

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>MEPS in 2 days
>the hospital I got carted off to for rope-baiting to is, no shit, fucking VA
Thanks for the ride, /meg/. Unfortunately, it looks like I'll have to get off here

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bros, what job/position has the highest combination of intelligence and Chadness?
If I had to guess I'd say it's between:
>Combat Controller (or officer equivalent)
>Pararescue (or officer equivalent)
>ISA spook (whatever MOS(es) those guys are)
>JAG in 75th RR
>Surgeon in 75th RR

>>64349738
Cook

>>64349738
>JAG
A rear echelon lawyer?
>Surgeon
A rear echelon doctor?

Let me fix those for you
>JAG
admin needs not apply
>surgeon
Try ranger medic.

The real answer is any type of combat aviator.

>>64349738
>intelligence and chadness
Based:
PJs
CCTs
Loadmasters
DEVGRU
DELTA

Spook tier:
Navy CTs
ISA

>>64349738
Fort Bragg Cartel leader

>>64350249
>Navy CTs
>Chads
LOL, LMAO even

>>64351979
Nobody in the military is a chad. The moral ones are all incompetent, and the competent ones lack any semblance of morality.

>>64344235
>AC04
Supremely based, that game is so good.

If I wanted to be a Prepared Citizen™ would joining the military be a legitimately good way to gain more experience with guns and tactics and general knowledge? Would National Guard be a better/safer alternative? Also how hard would it be to make a career out of being in the military? I know a relatively older dude, 50 something who recently got out. I dont really have anything going for me because fuck college, so I was wondering how realistic it is to stay in that long.

>>64352184
Do you have moral issues with working for an international criminal empire?

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There are claims that the military is too top heavy on the enlisted side. I thought a lot of NCOs would be a good thing, is this not a reality?

>>64346290
lmao
People get picked up with a second class and are fine.
Are you even an officer? Have you ever attended any service's officer accessions program?

>>64352380
Nope, just another enlisted crab in his bucket.

>>64352216
Not necessarily

>>64352361
On the Army side, a lot of people end up riding out their last years to retirement as MSGs, usually in some brigade S3 shop or random staff office where they don't need to do a whole lot. The problem is that there's a cap on the amount of people who can be promoted to that grade and the grade below it, which means at a certain point your promotion chances depend at least somewhat on the people above you retiring and freeing up a slot. HRC is taking steps to fix this but it will be years before it changes anything, if it works.

>>64352387
Crabs don't naturally appear in buckets. Who put them in there!

>>64352403
Then you're perfect for the US military! Literally the only real requirement is a lack of morality.

>>64352184
>If I wanted to be a Prepared Citizen™ would joining the military be a legitimately good way to gain more experience with guns and tactics and general knowledge?
Depends on branch and MOS plus whatever unit you go to, and regardless of that your prescribed duties will never be to just become a Prepared Citizen or whatever. A SERE instructor or RSLC graduate is better equipped for that kind of thing than a supply specialist, but none of them train to operate alone or as part of a citizen militia.
>Would National Guard be a better/safer alternative?
What do you mean? You would spend one weekend a month* doing your job rather than doing it full time, except when deployed or otherwise on active orders.
>Also how hard would it be to make a career out of being in the military?
It's not hard, per se, but there's a good reason only 10-20% of those who initially join actually end up retiring from the service. You might discover that you hate some aspect of the military that you didn't know about before you got in. You might enjoy being a Joe or junior officer and then become an NCO or pin CPT and suddenly discover that the rest of your career from that point onwards will focus more on administration and management and planning than actually doing the thing you signed up to do. You might just not perform well enough to make the promotion cutoffs to stay in to 20 (almost impossible as enlisted but very possible as an officer due to the competitive promotions to O-4 and O-5). Your family situation might make getting out before 20 a better choice than staying in. There's no guarantee any of these things will happen, but they are very real things that prevent people from retiring, and worth thinking about if you're thinking about trying to make a career out of it.

>>64352537
Good afternoon from Peoria. How's Texas?

You have free will. If a safety briefing becomes excessive, you can use the free will granted to all men.

https://www.cnn.com/2012/06/29/us/north-carolina-fort-bragg-shooting

>>64352873
Hi Dirlewangerfag. Looks like the gang's all here!

What the fuck is wrong with the army.

I'm in the airforce, and as always, with any large group of people the vast majority of them are good people. In the case of the airforce you might once in a blue moon encounter an antagonistic low impulse control type of person, but it's very rare.

Enter the fucking army.

Any group of them, there's always one or two guys who state they joined so they can kill people, who can't shut up about genz being too soft and hurting people's feelings, dropping racist jokes, committing battery every few hours, and getting in trouble for disciplinary issues. Obviously the vast majority of any army group consists of good people, but in the army, there's a guarantee that there's a few fuckheads in there. This doesn't even occur in the Marines.

>>64353219
They're literally hired killers lol

>>64353259
Yeah. The bad apples represent the fucking felon low IQ types of hired killers, whom if they had like 5 less IQ points they'd probably just be additional numbers in the prison population. I've known Navy SEALs, which come across as the professional, disciplined and intelligent type A types, nowhere like the bad apples you can pick out of any army formation.

>>64353292
Yeah, some people are better at hiding the monstrous violence inside of them.

>>64353219
You seem like the kind of guy who complains about having to run 2 miles instead of 1.5 for the PT test.

>>64353305
Well I just ran 6 miles this morning so that's not the case. But when you see an army guy committing assault every few hours, and straight up antagonizing people who aren't bothering them, and needing to report to authority figures, and hear about army guys committing rape, you start to see a pattern. Or you see army guys being unnecessarily disruptive during work. Meanwhile every other branch, especially the air force, just does whatever they need to do, puffs their vape or does their pushups or whatever, and then fucks off.

>>64353343
What I'm hearing is that Army chads do whatever they want at your workplace and you're powerless to do anything about it.

>>64353375
He should start murdering them secretly with fentanyl

>>64353343
Sounds like you and your NCO corps are weak and can't enforce standards.

>>64352387
I wouldn't assume they're a crab. Tons of civilians make shit up about enlisting and commissioning processes to make themselves feel better about their own choices.
The lie that the usaf has the highest asvab requirements is a good example that is still very much alive today.

what do you actually do if you are combat arms during peacetime? like if you were infantry or artillery or something, where do they send you? are you just training over and over? sitting around guarding nothing?
it seems like a gay time to enlist.

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Which service should I join? Which job? This is me btw.

>>64354228
It’s a gay time to enlist in a role that only does its job during wartime. Don’t be a retard and pick a role that has professional relevance outside of the military.

>>64349167
Rip my guy, insist it was just a joke but gl

>>64354228
Training and deploying to non-combat operations, mostly to train with foreign partners. At your home station you'll train on individual and collective tasks (ex. go to the rifle range, practice battle drills, do a platoon live fire, do land nav, etc), attend military schools (whatever your local troop schools has, air assault if you're on a post that has it, etc), and possibly TDY to other duty stations to do other schools (ranger, RSLC, etc). Your unit will TDY to other duty stations for large-scale collective training and certification (ex. NTC, JRTC, JMRC, JPMC or whatever the one in Hawaii is called, possibly KCTC if in Korea, etc) prior to deploying anywhere... or just because they're on the rotation to go. When deployed you'll likely conduct similar training activity as at home station unless your unit has a specific mission to support (ex. you might deploy to Poland to bolster eastern NATO defenses but in practice that just means doing training and shit while in Poland, unless they task your unit with specifically doing something with the Polish military or NATO command).

Does this suck compared to "real" war? YMMV. The OPTEMPO isn't that much different, especially if you're in an ABCT, but you might feel a lot like a professional athlete who trained all season just to be a benchwarmer, considering the chances of seeing "real" war again are hard to quantify. Regardless of whether it's real or not, separation from family can be a huge stressor for soldiers, and the feeling of pointlessness can exacerbate that stress for some. On the flip side, instead of potentially dying or watching buddies die in IED attacks and ambushes or fighting in a bloody LSCO scenario, you're basically just chilling.

>>64349167
No! Just a bit longer and you could have been one of those shit bags that gets dropped from basic into a mental hospital. Then you could still be a "veteran" and get va benefits.

>>64348666
why do you think so?

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lol good luck Nasty Girls!

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>cries about not being able to make rent if his pay is delayed because he decided to live off base in a shit dump he can barely afford
Reasoning behind you all moving off base when things are already paid for on base?

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>Don't you ever give me orders, sergeant.
Senior enlisted fags, our response?

>>64356909
If the barracks weren't so fucking terrible, they wouldn't need to live off base.

What is the maximum age to commission in the Army as prior service enlisted?

>>64356942
I'm telling the nearest lieutenant colonel

>>64357799
21

>>64357799
31

>>64357692
>If the barracks weren't so fucking terrible
Examples?

>>64344235
Give it to me straight. What are the chances we enter a war as big or bigger than the Iraq war in the next 4 years? I want to join combat arms, but not if it’s going to be peacetime the entire time.

>>64358120
No one here could possible predict that.

>>64357692
The barracks aren't bad, you/they are just pussies.
>>64358101
Its just a basic no frills room. Heat/AC may not always work, but worse case you can just get a window unit from the barracks manager. You may or may not have a roommate, and you may or may not have a shared bathroom with the other suite. Living in the barracks are fun, you're with all your boys.
>>64354228
You train stateside, deploy overseas, train with partner nations, explore the world. Where they send you? It depends on the service... The whole point of that is so in peacetime perishable combat skills aren't entirely lost. Also, its better to go into a conflict with an above baseline level of proficiency than it is straight out of training.

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>>64358101
Uhhhh

https://www.camplejeuneclaimscenter.com/water-contamination/health-issues/cancer/leukemia/

>>64358101
hots & cots app has user-submitted reviews for a good chunk of DoD barracks, check there

>>64358317
>https://www.camplejeuneclaimscenter.com/water-contamination/health-issues/cancer/leukemia/
Yeah that would be an issue if you were enlisted before 1987

Yummy on base tap water and warm shower water on your skin
https://www.military.com/daily-news/2024/03/13/air-force-finds-elevated-cancer-rates-initial-results-of-study-looking-health-risks-missile-bases.html

>>64353219
You're literally just encountering for the first time the type of people who are necessary for a military to be successful.
Read the most recent book that was released on Delta Force. If seeing soldiers fight people disturbs you, gaining an understanding of the types of guys who are in special forces will probably make you lose faith in the military at large.
If it wasn't clear, I'm calling you a child who has thus far existed inside of a bubble.

>>64358317
>>64358325
>>64358339
I don't really trust (((journalists))) can you post pictures from your barracks?

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>>64358559
I haven't lived in the barracks in a long time, but here is a rough layout of how I remember it being. Its basically college dorms. Its not bad at all. Maybe it would suck if you don't get along with the guys in your company, or if you can't manage to clean your room. I don't have any pics of just the rooms by themselves, but just imagine the walls being made of painted cinder blocks, linoleum floors, or a cheap carpet, and A/C that works intermittently. If you're in the military and single, just know you'll most likely live in the barracks for the first enlistment. In most cases you will be rate a housing stipend that will enable you to leave by the time you make E-5. But again, it could be worse, you could be in a fighting hole, a squad bay or tent in the middle of the desert/mountains/jungle.

>>64358635
Also barracks mog base housing because you don't have to experience a 3 am scream off between some faggot and his fat wife on a Wednesday. Or the random house swarmed by 5 MP cars every other week. Or milfags faggoty kids.

>>64358646
This. Seriously, after moving out from the barracks I would really miss just being with the boys, having some beers on a friday night, swap stories, bitch about work and just hang out with someone who you can trust. I got married and later commissioned, but even then as a junior enlisted warrior I was able to recognize how good it is. The only real reason why you'd want to move out is if you just stay locked in your room the whole time, or are too weak to make your bed and clean your floors once a week.

>E-6, navy
>less than 2 years until retirement
>2 months of leave on the books, will be earning two more months before retirement
>hopefully getting wife pregnant for another two months covalence leave
>possible skill bridge before end of service, up to six months
>charisma'd my way into guys wanting to hire me when i'm out
>TS clearances in the past, secret now
>been working on that sweet, sweet disability rating to maxing out
>can be lazy as fuck because im essentially done and others can take over
>guys still like me because i support them and make them laugh
>looking to pull 7k when i get out in pure passive income
future's lookin pretty fuckin sweet, kids.
you gotta know how to milk it though. i hate that you guys wont get a high 3 retirement but if you play your cards right you'll be ok.

>>64358276
You don’t think there were people in the know or knew people in the know in the years leading up to Iraq? You are very naive.

>>64358673
Iraq was 2 years after 9/11, and there was very clear rhetoric about the US' intentions. There are certainly people in the know for whatever is next, but nobody credible is going to post that in here. Anyway, if you enlisted after OIF started you literally missed the coolest part, so what's the point of worrying?

>>64358670
Hell yeah. I was an E-6 with 10 before switching to the darkside. Looking forward to retiring in 9. I'm tired boss.

>>64358680
Meanwhile, if you had enlisted before ww2 you almost definitely missed out on deploying to Europe, so...

>>64358705
Only if you decided to get out before then. There were plenty of guys who were in the military before the war broke out and stayed. In any case there is really no point in worrying. If you want a number just google it and you'll find 2027. But even then, nothing ever happens.

>>64358690
you mean you went officer?
how's that life?
i see my officers working and i dont care how much they make, i'm far happier in life with everything that i want.
one tried to get me with the "i make more than you" and i got her with "you hate your life and fight depression every day"
pretty much won that one lol

Any warrant officers here? What's WOCS like?

>>64356909

My base (airforce) litterally kicks you off out of the dorms ar e4 and only let's you stay in base housing if you are married

>>64358734
Yeah. My designator has one of the longest pipelines, so I'm still in training. In that respect, its quite nice being able to worry about myself instead of being the LPO in a busy unit. On the other end, I do miss being enlisted, and giving that up in pursuit of a childhood goal/dream is something to contend with. When I was enlisted I was satisfied and didn't want for anything, so I hope to be able to feel the same way when I get back out to the fleet.

>>64358862
i enjoyed being an LPO but now that we have younger guys with a better chance of making chief i'm happy to fuel their progress. it's just not happening for me and i'm content with that.
i hope you can get to that contented life again.
for me, i dont know if i want to buy a cheap house in Appalachia and live out my dreams of being a NEET or try to continue to grind more for true retirement.
i cant see myself working past 50 anyway

>>64358559
>doesn't trust jewish media
>is/was in the israeli foreign legion
lmao, the jokes write themselves.

>>64358923
That's the way man. If theres one thing I'm tired of is moving. After I'm done with training I'm going to try to ride out the rest of my service at one duty station.

>>64358962
i tried to do that and my last sea duty i got transferred, despite many protest.
"needs of the navy". im tired of moving too. where i find my forever home is where i'll die.
but all the homes suck and are made out of twigs and cardboard, so i'm going to have to commission my house. small but quality materials.

>>64358101
AF > Navy > Army > Muhreen barracks. A lot the older barracks still used by Army and Muhreens are so poorly designed/ventilated that they have constant mold issues. You can spend 3-4 hours cleaning that shit and it will be back the next day.
>>64358301
Stfu air farce fag

>>64358985
>Stfu air farce fag
My time in the fleet was in the Marine infantry. You are just a pussy.

Is how your treated as enlisted and commissioned officer really as different as this movie implies?

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>>64359048
Forgot pic

>>64359048
I haven't seen the movie, but don't they treat tom cruise as a tool because he starts as corporate tool?

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Am I just wasting my time trying to enlist in the Air Force as prior service?
I have already taken their ASVAB, but I do not want to waste any more time if there is not a good chance. I am about to start the waiver process soon but something tells me I will get denied.

>>64358956
What blew up?

>>64359364
>trying to enlist in the Air Force as prior service
Yeah. For the Airforce being prior service is seen as a negative. You could still probably make it if you wait long enough/try hard enough, but why? They're a bunch of squares. If you're gonna join the USAF at least try to commission.

>>64358730
Yep, I have been hearing about the impeding invasion of Iran since 2016. Still waiting on that one.

>>64359441
I do have a college degree in STEM with a good GPA so that is an option I can take, but I’m trying to enlist because I am trying to get out of a crappy job environment on a dead end career field as soon as possible and commissioning takes a while. Seeing as the slots for prior service usually only go to ~200 at most, I will have to wait a while and maybe longer than the recruiter is willing to wait. I really do not want to go back to the Army. Do you know how I can sell myself to the waiver board so they can let me join?

>>64359553
A bit of a wait to commission now is better than signing an enlistment contract right away. 4 years is a long time, especially if you could spend it as an officer with vastly higher quality of life rather than middle enlisted.

>>64359642
Seconding on this. O1E mogs any enlisted rank

>>64356909
A good place with bah means you can pocket the extra bah money and not have to deal with barracks tomfoolery

>>64358101
Typically they arent the best maintained, however you are typically having a single small-medium room with shared bathroom and a little area for cooking. The biggest thing however is if some higher up wants to do barracks inspections or anything to do with that you automatically get dragged in

How competitive is it to get into space force via afrotc?
im currently in army national guard if that matters.

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How hard is it to get a Option 40 contract for the Army

I would like to get a shot at Ranger Regiment as a infantryman and hopefully use that as a stepping stone towards SF

I am aware 18X contracts exist and would perhaps be the better option as my ultimate goal is SF (and from what I have heard 18X has better pass rates at about 15% versus about 8% pass for 11X OP40)

But the direct action and other skills learned from Ranger Regiment along with the culture of being squared away and kept to a high standard of fitness seem invaluable aswell as the high deployment tempo which I hope would look good on a "resume" and all come together to help me actually be selected after passing SFAS (I have heard it's not uncommon for 18X to not be selected even after passing due to "lack of experience")

My recruiter has been telling me that 11 series OP40 (and even OP4 guaranteed Airborne) contracts are very rarely available and he has not seen either one in awhile although he is able to get me a 18X contract
He has suggested that I should sign a basic 11 series contract and i will "simply" be able to talk to a SOF recruiter immediately after passing AIT and volunteer for both Airborne School aswell as RASP

I am not sure how "simple" or "guaranteed" just going to RASP or even becoming Airborne without having it written into my contract will be and I am worried about getting railroaded into spending my whole contract as a 11C or something that I don't want and never getting a chance to do the things I'm looking to do

Should I just wait for early next year and hope slots open up for me to jump on?
Should I take his advice and enlist as 11X and just cross my fingers that I will end up 11B and be able to volunteer for Airborne and RASP?

I am kind of lost for how to proceed from here
>What do

For reference I am 26 my ASVAB score is 95 and I am decently physically fit (at the level required for combat MOS but definitely not yet "Ranger Ready" although I am improving every week)

>>64344235
Man, AC4 was great
I loved the anime cutscenes

>>64360163
>I would like to get a shot at Ranger Regiment as a infantryman and hopefully use that as a stepping stone towards SF
Kinda retarded. I've never seen anyone who came in planning to become a Ranger then a Green Beret then a SEAL then join Delta Force or whatever actually make it through half of their "plan." Pick one thing and focus on it so that when shit gets tough you don't start getting second thoughts and imagining alternate routes to that other thing you want. Besides all that, Rangers generally don't look kindly on people who only want to use their organization as a "stepping stone."
>I am aware 18X contracts exist and would perhaps be the better option as my ultimate goal is SF (and from what I have heard 18X has better pass rates at about 15% versus about 8% pass for 11X OP40)
Those pass rates take everyone who signs that contract into account, including the fucking retards and fatbodies who had no business doing so. Either way, why are you looking at that shit and thinking it means you yourself only have a 10% chance of passing whatever?
>But the direct action and other skills learned from Ranger Regiment along with the culture of being squared away and kept to a high standard of fitness seem invaluable aswell as the high deployment tempo which I hope would look good on a "resume"
Giant meme. People don't get selected at SFAS because they're retards or assholes, not because they don't have any experience. 18X exists for a reason, they're totally fine with people who have no experience as long as they can hack it and fit in to a team. Also no one is deploying very much these days, including SF and Rangers, just doing JCETs and shit.
>everything else in the post
11Cs can do RASP. If it's not in your contract it's not guaranteed.
Check out the book "Get Selected for Special Forces" sometime, PT until you can easily far exceed the standards, and just pick one thing and go for it instead of building a huge convoluted plan.

>>64360208
I don't think my plan is very convoluted it is only two steps (although large steps) qualify for and join Ranger Regiment and a few years later qualify for and join the Green Berets
I don't have huge plans to try for 75th and SF and CAG and NSW and PJ and ISA and etc as you are making it seem
i have heard the pipeline of Ranger to SF is fairly common although yes from what I understand Ranger Regiment looks down on using them as a stepping stone towards anything other then CAG

I don't think the pass rates mean I only have a X% chance of passing
I just recognize that generally they are difficult courses to pass especially considering both RASP and SFAS take place after OSUT training and still have a high failure rate
My point was more to make it clear that I recognize i cannot just "waltz on in" to either course and expect to pass and that I do not expect RASP to be "easier" then SFAS

Non selection for lack of experience being a meme or not I still believe the skills and standards learned as a Ranger would be invaluable in my life and my military career
They are the premier Light Infantry and Airborne force on the planet and spending any amount of time around and apart of people like that would be worth it's weight in gold

I will check out the book as I am doing alot of reading recently on things like this
I am doing PT nearly everyday to prepare as I want to enter basic theoretically able to pass RASP or SFAS immediately
And I am picking one thing as I am essentially set on my goal to become a Ranger

Again my only stumble in the road is securing a Option 40 contract and figuring out how difficult(impossible?) that actually is / how difficult it would be to apply for RASP after OSUT without that option in my contract

That is why I am asking for advice on what to do as I have noone to talk about these things with besides my recruiter who is very busy and I can only trust so much
Just theories in my own head from reading I have done

>>64360263
If you want to be SF cant you just apply for that

>>64360263
Bro I'm not reading alla that. If you wanna be a ranger so bad just tell your recruiter you're not signing anything but an 11x option 40 and have him call you when one opens. Or if you wanna be SF so bad just sign an 18x and be done with it. Pick one thing and stick to it.

>>64360271
Yes I could enter with a 18X contract (which my recruiter says is currently and easily available) but again I worry about missing out on valuable skills and standards only available to learn from Ranger Regiment aswell as high operational tempo giving real world deployment experience

I don't think what I'm saying is crazy
From what I understand it is fairly common to join as a Ranger and transition to SF

>>64360272
>TLDR
you wrote a long response to me so I figured I would write one back addressing the things you had said
It's difficult to not have anyone to talk about these things with besides ChatGPT

Reading between the lines I guess you are saying it would be very difficult to volunteer for RASP after AIT without a contract guarantee
I guess I will draw a line in the sand with my recruiter then

I would still appreciate information on how common it is to actually get a OP40 though as my recruiter says they are extremely rare and almost non existent
If that is the case i will have to reevaluate things

>>64360302
>missing out on [...]
You don't need any of that to pass SFAS. They're looking for people who can exceed their standards and work well on teams, not people with 10 prior deployments. if you're trying to become the perfect candidate you're just going to spend years chasing other random bullshit instead of just... going to SFAS and getting selected.
Alternatively, forget about SFAS. Focus on RASP (and more difficultly, the first year in Regiment). You might not even like being in SOF, so why worry about getting into not just one but two different SOF units?
>From what I understand it is fairly common to join as a Ranger and transition to SF
it is not
>Reading between the lines I guess you are saying it would be very difficult to volunteer for RASP after AIT without a contract guarantee
It's not "very difficult," it's just not guaranteed. You might get a chance to meet with the Ranger recruiters at OSUT and you might not. Whether you're willing to risk it or not is up to you.
You can drop a packet for RASP at your unit, but you will need to spend a bit of time there before you can go and you will need your chain of command's approval. A PFC in my unit is doing that right now, and he just got here a few months ago. Again, whether that's the route you wanna go is up to you.
>I would still appreciate information on how common it is to actually get a OP40 though as my recruiter says they are extremely rare and almost non existent
He's kinda bullshitting you and kinda just being lazy. The slots exist but people snap them up fast and it's extra work on his end to secure one as he has to watch for them in the system and lock one in before someone else does. The new fiscal year just started so there should be hella slots open for everything, but the government is also currently shut down so there might be issues with displaying or updating open slots in the system.

>>64360038
I spoke with an Air Force recruiter last week. He said that there is a 2 year waiting list to get into the Space Force and they are no longer doing ISTs

>>64360302
Pick one or the other. Then train for it.

i turned 29 recently. i'm a software dev. my younger brother is shipping off as a 35N soon.

i've got a comfortable job but part of me is genuinely considering maybe going into the guard. i don't know if it's talking to my brother about his plans but the idea of doing something different than just sitting around an office all day is really appealing. is it retarded? would it be retarded to do it just for the fuck of it? i've got a wife but no kids yet. i wouldn't go AD-- it's not worth giving up my job. but i feel like if i don't do this in the next year or two, i'd never do it and maybe it would be worth it while i have the chance.

what do you think? just forget it and keep grinding my day job?

I was on a very low dose of anxiety meds for some mild anxiety for roughly ten years. Just got off them about 6 months ago, and Ive been fine and even feel better in many ways. Am I cooked or can I still attempt to become an intelligence officer in the Air Force (Ive had issues breaking into intel as a civilian despite my degree).

>>64361295
genesis opt out + keep mouth quiet

>>64361479
lying is a sin, shitbag

>>64361479
I dunno it seems like a very bad idea to lie to Air Force Intelligence.

Raw curiosity here: is Hegseth's behavior good or bad for enlistment at this juncture? Is he attracting larger numbers of recruits, or turning people away? And, even if he is bringing in more recruits, is he bolstering retention, or causing more people to flake? I would've expected that someone that spent so much time and energy trying to legitimize the Iraq war would be a turnoff for potential recruits in 2025, but I'd also heard recruitment was up earlier this year. I do NOT want to talk politics, I am purely interested in how the U.S. military's recruitment and retention is being affected by an extremely visible, public-facing, and contentious secretary of war, who has loud of opinions and isn't afraid to piss people off. Please do not respond with essays about why he is Hitler or how he is Patton 2.0 or whatever the fuck.

>>64361488
So why do you lie about your service?

>>64361654
Hegseth won’t be in his position for very long, so making decisions based upon him is foolish. Dude is a blowhard and a retarded loser. I expect the next person to be much better

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>>64361295
Be truthful and try getting a waiver. The Navy will probably waive you. At least for aviation the services are pretty clear for what conditions they will waive for and what are automatically disqualifying. Not sure about intel, but I'm sure there is a similar pub for the intel community.
>>64361654
I think he's kind of a diva, but in the long run I think cracking down on standards is good for morale and will attract more recruits and retain people. A lot of people joined (at least I did) the service for an experience that cannot be found in the civilian side, with the acceptance of a "harder" lifestyle. I feel second hand embarrassment when I see servicemen and women in uniform out in town or online making fools of themselves in some tiktok rant, publicity stunt, or in general appearing unprofessional with how they wear the uniform. I think how we've gone out of our way to try to accommodate for type shit we would have laughed at that was seen on Tumblr 10+ years ago. I may be projecting how I feel and that this will crater recruitment, retention and morale though, but IIRC recruiting goals were met in all the services the last quarter or two. If these changes are implemented properly, then hopefully the military will continue to aim to be a proper meritocracy, I know this has never been 100% the case, but it gets pretty close, if not then I suspect people will be more polarized and whatever policies are implemented will be reversed in the next admin, what I'm saying is the reform needs to implemented on the right subject.

>>64361506
The guy you're replying to is a sociopathic troll who got drummed out of the Army for going to his CO during basic and asking if he can form his own special war crimes unit to kill civilians.

>>64361730
The good news is that Hegseth says he's not going to punish warcrimes, so Dirlewangerfag / Texasfag / Robert / The Antirobert (all the same guy) has a shot at re-enlistment.

>>64361782
Seriously?

>>64361789
>Hegseth has long been deeply skeptical of war crimes investigations and has advocated for President Donald Trump to pardon or grant clemency to at least three service members accused of war crimes since 2019. In his remarks on Tuesday, Hegseth appeared to criticize a retired US Army general — Peter Chiarelli — who formally reprimanded Hegseth’s former brigade commander in 2007. The commander, Michael Steele, had been accused of issuing improper orders to his soldiers that led to the deaths of unarmed Iraqis.

>>64361782
I mean he isn't the one in charge of processing warcrimes so that is kind of a retarded statement.

>>64361829
>“We unleash overwhelming and punishing violence on the enemy,” Hegseth said. “We also don’t fight with stupid rules of engagement. We untie the hands of our warfighters to intimidate, demoralize, hunt and kill the enemies of our country. No more politically correct and overbearing rules of engagement.”

>>64361782
>>64361789
>>64361809
Oh right, heard about this from my vetfag cousin. He knew Leigh Hester, so when he heard about Hegseth whining about her in his book, he did a deep dive - supposedly his brigade called themselves Kill Company, and after he left they turned loose three Iraqi detainees and gunned them down in the back. I have met freaks that are attracted to military service because they crave that kind of violence, and I genuinely can't tell if encouraging that is going to backfire or bolster recruitment. Cousin is kind of a libtard though so I'm not sure how true that story is, I never double-checked.

>>64361730
Yeah I'm not gonna lie. I want a career in the fed and lying would utterly fuck that. Is there a separate recruiter for officers or do they just mix that all into the general recruiter? I've never been a huge military buff so I'm not too sure how this stuff works.

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>>64361935
>I want a career in the fed

>>64361935
Yeah there are separate officer recruiters from enlisted recruiters. A decent enlisted recruiter will forward you t the nearest available O recruiter, but I've heard stories of them trying to get you to enlist instead of commission. I commissioned while still AD so I have no actual interactions with O recruiters or with that process.

>>64361984
>AD
>O
can you please stop using gay ass abbreviations so us neverserveds can follow the conversation?

>>64361984
Thanks! Appreciate all your help.

>>64361992
AD - active duty - I was already enlisted when I commissioned

O - O recruiter - Officer recruiter

you could google these things, or try to follow the context of the conversation
>>64361998
Sure thing, good luck!

>>64362048
>you could google these things, or try to follow the context of the conversation
Or you could just talk like a normal human being instead of a special unique snowflake with gay ass jargon nobody understands lmao

>>64362065
Yeah it wasn't intentional. If you do something long enough it becomes normal. If you referred to an acronym in another thread like MOA or jargon like milsurp the average person isn't going to get that either. Figure it out.

>>64362093
>figure it out
No, you'll continue to explain yourself like a good little boy.

>>64362097
Do you behave this way because daddy beat you too hard or not enough?

>>64362209
I'm sure this sounded very badass in your head lol

>>64362354
Pot meet kettle

Would I be able to become a green beret? I am in decent shape and competent, but I am sort of a square and not exactly charismatic. The sf recruiter told me that I just have to be mature and professional, which I am, but someone else told me that I need to be a dude bro to get through their peer evaluations, but I certainly am not

>>64353219
Because the army has the lowest bar set in the military. It legitimately is the worst branch.

>>64362630
No

Ive made up my mind that im going to ets when my contract is up. Why does my leadership keep insisting I go to the promotion boards giving me negative counselings for not doing stupid jko classes for "muh points."

>>64361654
If kids get the cliff notes on the MFRs, I think it'll be a good thing for recruitment. Like 80% of the shit in the MFRs is stuff that most military members who aren't shitbags have been asking for.
If someone just watches his speeches and doesn't do research, like how I imagine most people looking to enlist do things, I think it would hurt recruitment. His speeches make him come off as an insecure right winger rather than an apolitical veteran who only cares about winning wars.
It is worth mentioning that the Heritage Foundation wrote those MFRs, not Hegseth and his team.

>>64362828
When the US military is occupying American cities and going full Falujah on regular citizens, I will be grateful that the men doing the killing are in top physical condition.

>>64361654
Recruitment levels are only up because the economy is bad, wages are stagnant, and the military is legitimately the only way for huge swaths of people to get ahead anymore. Plus, they lowered standards to abysmal levels to get every fat kid, tranny, or dumb black with a 6 on the asvab get in.

>>64362856
You forgot to update your demoralization copy pasta, trannies are out

>>64362835
>prepper-larper forced to accept zogbot supremacy by OUR PRESIDENT DONNY TRUUMP!
It must smart getting mogged by the football team kids years after you thought you'd left them behind.

>>64362961
>le smug demon face
Repent

>>64362814
>does my leadership keep insisting I go to the promotion boards
Because your leadership believes in you. (also it reflects well on them if you look good)

QRD on firing your guns on base

https://www.foxnews.com/us/military-base-resident-shot-armed-intruder-identified-spouse-highest-ranking-air-force-nco

Are you protected?

>>64361506
you're lying to meps not intel. when you're getting clearance, they are asking if you're a foreign asset or hate america, not if you ever took xannies. they don't care.

>>64362835
Those fantasies are really getting out of hand, you might actually need some meds friend

>>64363096
cope

>>64363042
But anon, I want him to screw himself over and get rejected from the military. Why are you trying to help people that I am trying to hurt? Leave me alone and let me ruin the future of others.

>>64363183
based funposter

>>64362835
I'll believe it when it happens.
All that we're seeing now is a bunch of poorfag national guard soldiers getting paid probably more than they'll ever make in their lives to pick up trash.
The optics are for tards in flyover country who seem to think that big cities are war zones for whatever reason.

>>64360846
>i wouldn't go AD-- it's not worth giving up my job.
USERRA protects your job for 5 years, so enough for a full AD tour, plus RSUs etc keep vesting the whole time. The bigger downside is that location is a gamble with AD and some MOS's can't be guaranteed, like signing for 11X vs 11B, whereas NG can.

I did it and say do a one-and-done tour. Pick a branch and mos/rating that does something in peacetime besides training.

>>64363654
Youre not fueling my persecution complex. I'll have you know that my neighbor has a friend who is "high up" who notified him to "be prepared" and I am not ready to admit that I am a gullible idiot that read too much dystopian fiction

>>64344235
My recruiting squadron will have something called a “recruit call.” What will I do that day? I know it’s something physical because it’s on a track, a PT test maybe?

>>64361506
The service you are trying to enlist in is not the same entity that adjudicates your clearance and both sides care about different things. Read the SF86 linked in the OP, it lists literally everything the clearance adjudicators care about.
>>64363691
I would note that while USERRA protects your job, employers can and will look for reasons to fuck you over if they think it will help their bottom line. Even being in the Guard or Reserves can stress your "real" job, especially if you deploy or go on orders, no matter how illegal it is to discriminate against you for that.

>>64364343
>>64363691
>employers can and will look for reasons to fuck you over

yeah that's my concern. plus the damage of just giving away three years of work experience is something i really can't get back.
i get that you can still be called up for reserve/ng especially if you're infantry.
it wouldn't be so bad to be away from work for a couple months but it would be pretty bad to be away for years. which is why i was looking at ng / reserves

>>64364965
My honest recommendation? Don't join up just because of vague dissatisfaction with working in an office. Your brother is gonna be working in an office too, just wearing a uniform. If you don't have a clear reason to join, tied to a specific goal or outcome, then don't do it. Otherwise you risk putting yourself in a bad situation that stresses your family and career just to scratch a nebulous itch for an image of military service that might have little to do with reality.

>>64364991
>It's another 'Robert tries and false to convince someone not to enlist' episode
Yawn

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Will my best friend from this thread be paying me a visit soon? Think he'll make his way down to Peoria from Chicago to say hi?

>>64366193
Not everyone who wants to join should join.

>>64366220
Robert should go to Chicago and demonstrate his patriotism

>>64366193
There's a big difference between "dont join bro uhhhh the government will inject you with super aids and at boot camp youll get tied up and fat black women will twerk over you while you recite anti white propaganda" and "don't strain your family and established career just because you fantasized about being in the military once." If anon wants to join it's his life, I just don't want anyone to sign on the dotted line for dumb reasons or out of a fit of passion that will only lead to disillusionment and disappointment when real military service is not very much like the idealized image that led to signing up in the first place.

>>64367129
Hold up, so there WONT be any ebony beauties twerking on my face? Shit, got me rethinking this whole thing now

>>64364273
If its anything like other service's recruiting programs, it's probably just a fun PT day. Maybe some sports and a cookout too. Ask your recruiter about it. When I was in DEP like 10 years ago, we would sometimes go play sports like swimming, running, softball and grill after. Pretty fun for 18 year old broke me.

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Why are so many enlisted men "better men"? The amount of stepdads is astounding.

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Are these guys the best the TNG had to offer?

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>>64368073
>Coal burner is a cheating whore.
In other news the sky is blue.

Realistic depiction of dialogue when mortally wounded?
https://youtu.be/QutNE5_xEuw

>>64368381
Imagine spending every day seething about these people lmao

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how does the National Guard work?
was that portrayal in Rambo true?
are they all just weekend warrior larper airsofters handed real guns?

I formally applied to Marine OCS today. He said I am fully qualified and just need to prep for the PFT. I was told that if I get to OCS and get dropped, I can just walk over to Army OCS directly. Is that true? If so, that's a nice cushion to fall back on

>>64368381
Just like Russia, the Army sends the cannon fodder to the front.

>>64369596
You’ve spent a lot of time seething about the US military and you’re just now figuring out why AD makes fun of NG? Seriously, these dudes are the ones that have you throwing temper tantrums online every day of your life?

>>64369596
>>64370909
You gonna spend yet another day arguing with yourself, Robert? Get a fucking job.

>>64370953
It’s just funny that Robert owned himself hard by admitting that those fat sacks of lard are the ones that keep him glued to his desk, desperately trying to win his little internet war. His mortal enemy, some fuckass from the TNG, is just as much of a pudgy laughing stock as he is

>>64371043
Why are you pretending you aren't both Robert and the anti-Robert? We can clock you from a mile away at this point; your posting style is just too distinctively mentally ill.

>>64371048
Tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down….

>>64371120
I don't understand this reference, Robert.

>>64371370
Did you forget that you weren't replying to yourself, Robert? How far removed from reality are you?

>>64371412
>>64371420
All Robert

Which branch is best to join if you have a sub-90 IQ and hate exercise?

>>64371791
National Guard, apparently

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>Task force given job of finding fixes to base housing issues plaguing personnel worldwide

What are the housing issues? Why is it a big enough issue for a task force?

https://www.insta gram.com/reel/DPhLq8ijgBV/
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2025-10-08/hegseth-barracks-task-force-19355849.html
https://taskandpurpose.com/military-life/hegseth-barracks-task-force/

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For me, its fight night.

>>64344235
Im 30 years old and I've lasted a total of 2 months before being fired from a fast food job 7 years ago, and have quit college 3 times. Also what the fuck do i put for the sf86, I dont know anyone besides my parents.
I took the ASVAB and was thinking about enlisting into the CG as an electricians mate. If I fuck up and fail the course will I be sent home?

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>>64367908
I am not really into social events like sports and cookouts. Besides, eating in public looks unprofessional. How do manage not embarrassing myself?

>>64372481
Remember when you used to complain about much larger topics? Look at what you've been whittled down to, complaining about housing as if you're boypregnant and barefoot hitched up to some retarded E-1 named Tylenoqueeshevanavius

www.rebbit.com/r/army/comments/1o1kxh2/so_how_do_you_plan_to_make_money_during_the/

How do you plan on making money during the shutdown?

>>64372491
>thinking about enlisting into the CG as an electricians mate
Based. The Coast Guard is the best branch.

>its been 24 hours since I completed the online form for applying to the army
dood, wat nau?
do I just show up at my local recruiter station or wait for a call?

>>64362790
How? The asvab minimum is the same, the physical standards are the same.

Should I join my nation eastern European army or the French Foreign Legion?

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What are the specific things that Rangers do but not SF
Is it solely airfield seizure

I understand SFs main mission is not Direct Action but it seems they train for that fairly hard and do that quite often (at least in the past GWOT)
From reading online it seems that the only thing Green Berets are never tasked to do is airfield seizure

I do understand that Rangers have a much higher deployment ratio to SF but how much higher is it really
I have been told Rangers can expect 3 months on 2 months off cycles solely dedicated to DA the entire time they are deployed
I don't know what the expected rate is for SF

I'm trying to make final decisions on what kind of contract I will be signing with considerations for possible military reentry into the Middle East and or South America / Mexico as a modern GWOT

Any information or even speculation from people who understand that space would be very helpful

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Pizza delivery? Post gigolo for other men? Collecting beer/Monster cans and turning them in?

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/10/09/troops-will-miss-paychecks-next-week-without-action-government-shutdown.html