As always one mustn't relax in the presence of feral engineering scholars. Depending where you go concealability may be a factor but let's assume you're in America and not Faggotland due to a normal, heterosexual lifestyle leaving you uninfected by anal worms.>short rangeHandgun of some sort, minimum caliber 10mm as we've already established a no faggotry rule. .45 is an acceptable substitute but old age might get you first. A G20 is a good choice but is large, heavy and bulky making it unsuitable for extended travel to and from a safe(r) area.>mid rangeKrink or SBR (minimum 12" bbl). Proper ammo selection key especially for the latter. A Steyr AUG would also be suitable.>meleeThis one is tricky, a machete or a proper camp hatchet has utility outside of direct combat scenarios. I'm a fan of something like the Cold Steel Kukri Machete for all around purposes. Something like the APOC gladius would serve as well without being too bulky or unwieldy.>long rangeArguably irrelevant as anything outside the >200m distance is about how far away you want diversity and cultural enrichment at any time anyways. Still, can't go wrong with a dependable bolt gun in .308 or better for general long distance purposes, and because some melanated folk have taken to wearing (usually cheap Chinese made) armor plates.>special/otherCarrying explosives on your person is inadvisable for a variety of reasons. That said, have access to gasoline or another flammable petrochemical, and carry storm matches along with a spare bandana, enough to throw together a Molotov in a pinch.>medicalA pocket first aid kit (the kind you can fit into an Altoid tin) is a must, with bandages, alcohol wipes and gauze. Sutures and needle also good. Keep everything sealed and sterile at all time. If an IFAK is possible keep one on hand as well.>armorAgain largely irrelevant as it's bulky and cumbersome. Still a heavy leather jacket especially with padded shoulders and elbows can come in handy.
the optimal loadout ismuh dikmuh bawls
>>64344522fpbp unironically. an ounce of warrior spirit in a bare naked man is worth far more than all of the top tier gear on a typical urban shitlib s0yb0i.
>>64344518PSA 11.5 is all you need
>>64344525haha yeahhh...
>>6434452912.5 gets better MV and by a fair bit, isnt the drop off pretty sharp?
>armor again irrelevantbruh just don't buy ar500
>>64344535It has its uses but overall might be unnecessary for all but the most intense combat zones (fiery but peaceful protests after a neighborhood gudboidindunuffin overdoses too near a cop) when speed and mobility might be more important. I forgot to add other useful things like a backpack, flashlight/Chemlights, and so forth. Also under medicine a TQ might not be necessary but at the bare minimum keep some clean water and ibuprofen handy along with a gauze roll and Neosporin.
>>64344532consult the graph
>>64344538That's not a graph that's just a frogAlso: sidearm? knife?
>>64344548sorry, wrong pic>>64344545and as I said. a PSA 11.5 is ALL you need.
>>64344545Ok ty, was going by the BBTI numbers (biggest drop was from 18-16 next was from 12-11)
>>64344542Depends on the level and material of the armor. You can daily wear a pair of LTC 28791s or VelSys PBZSAs if you run a slick low-vis carrier.
>>64344545What's the source/methodology on this? Why would 12(.5, presumably)" get a lower velocity than 11"?
>>64344586https://www.everydaymarksman.co/equipment/barrel-length-trajectory/
>>64344594Aight. This was the one I saw (similar numbers with M193, trying to stay above the 2500 fps minimum threshold for fragmentation)
>>64344613look, dude.I just found a graph to back up the meme I was pushing. I don't know what you want from me.
>https://www.everydaymarksman.co/equipment/barrel-length-trajectory/In the article the author says the 12.5 is his favorite (for <16"). Seems like it performs the best out to ~200ish yds. Though the 13.7" gets a lot of (imo, undeserved) hate I can't imagine that extra inch adds a whole lot of excess bulk and cumbersome mass? Then again suppressed is a whole different ballgame.
>>64344668Really trying to find the optimal (subjective, I know) length for a SBR in 5.56. 10.3" is a meme. 14.5" is 'okay' but I can go shorter. Cans on ARs are kinda dumb imo.
>>64344542I like your style. Maybe look into making some infographs.
>>64344700Thanks. I miss the good old days of DayZ and Rust.
>>64344518>Still, can't go wrong with a dependable bolt gun in .308 or betterWhy you recc8ng a boltgun, bro? Get an AR10.
>>64344708As do I, but, well, here we are. I make a lot of infographs for /gq/. The board could always use more, especially in hotly-debated subject matters like these.
>>64344680the optimal length is 11.5 because when you add a suppressor it's approaching 16" total overall, but still manageable it's really more like a 14.5-15" when you add a can assuming it's not long af.
>>64344765also the suppressor is for flash reduction for nods and makes the concussive blast manageable, not really for "sound suppression" more than hearing protection and makes it easy.
>ctrl+f "falling block pistol">0 resultsNGMI
>>64344518You surely mean PvE zone.
>>64344569Cheap soft armor is both super thin and lightweight. 2 pounds for front/back II or IIA panels is doable on a tight budget, and protects you from the usual pistol caliber junk you're likely to run into.
>>64344518From the thumbnail I thought the bottom left was Boris Johnson!
>>64345896Agreed, but will get smoked by a Draco or ARP. On the other hand, the LTC 28791 and PBZSA are both $2,000/pair plates. Cheap street protection at a decent weight can still be had with the Hesco T212 at about $395/pair. Rule of thumb is that any set of plates under $400 is going to have drawbacks. In the T212's case, it loses to .308 and is only good for 5.56 through M855A1 and non-AP 7.62x39mm.You don't want to be buying cheap Level IV like RMA 1155s or Highcom 4SAS4s. If the threats are fiercer than what the T212 can handle, the Hesco 4403 is the best budget pick.So really you can separate armor into three categories. Covert, less-than-overt "street" plates, and then fully overt "contingency" plates that at minimum need to be Level IV or preferably dual III and IV.
>>64344545>velocity drop from 20-21 >climbs from 22-23
>>64346568Propellant combustion and subsequent gas expansion are non-linear.
>>64344518> short rangeG21 .45ACP> mid rangeBenelli M4> meleetactical tomahawk, trench knife> long range.308 bolt> special/ otherbear spray grenades> medical yes; add basic decon/ spit kit> armorLAV-25
>>64346553Wouldn't putting III and IV plates in the same carrier weigh like 30lbs total
>>64348948No, I was referring to a plate rated to both Level III (6x 7.62x51mm M80 at 2,750ft/s) and Level IV (just 1x .30-06 M2 AP at 2,880ft/s). Examples, Hesco 4601, Protech 2230, Tencate CXP-800 but good luck getting a line on that last one.The reason you go this route is twofold.1. Multi-hit.2. Shot spacing capability. Under NIJ fair hit rules, a Level III must be able to withstand 7.62x51mm M80 at 2" (51mm) spacing. A Level IV plate, since the minimum requirement is just one hit, has no spacing requirement other than the NIJ "must be two inches from the edge" rule.If you get shot once you might as well make sure you can handle getting shot twice.
>>64348224M4 seems like a lot of mass and bulk for a relatively short range low capacity option. Maybe if you have a truck to keep it in but for carry? I'd absolutely sooner go with a patrol carbine. May keep a Shockwave handy for extenuating circumstances though.
>>64349005I agree, plus shotguns are poor performers against armor and require dramatically more practice to sling slugs over 100 yards versus a rifle.
>>64345866Anon we're not talking range trips or innawoods larping. This is how to survive as Neo-Rhodesia in the Bush War World Tour.>>64345875Based
>>64344594>>64344613these charts are retarded and made by dipshits with no scientific rigor. 11.5 does not magically get more velocity than 12 nor does 16.5" magically get more velocity than 17".To get actually good data they would need to shoot an adequate sample size with each barrel with the same ammo in the same conditions, when in testing they fire a couple rounds and call that good. Well its not good, simple velocity deviations from one round to the next in the exact same barrel can potentially have a 100 fps discrepancy just due to inconsistencies in the ammo.
>>64344518>>special/otherJob applications have a incredible ability to deter
>>64351744>these charts are retardedrefer to >>64344668
>>64345896>front/back II or IIA panels isDoes anyone even make II or IIA anymore? IIA is only rated for 9mm at 1075fps. That's super easy to beat. Level II is a little better with 9mm FMJ at 1300fps and .357 JSP at 1400fps.So level II can stop realistic pistols you'd run into, but even a 9mm PCC pierces it. I think you could with some off the shelf 125gr .357 or copper HP +P options for either.
>>64344518Gen 3 Glock 1911.5 PSA ARdone
>>64352453They got rid of Level I years ago, that's all toast. IIA and II are both still made, but IIA is really falling out of fashion and will be eliminated with 0101.07's new structure. The lightest Level II is Hardwire-51 at 0.51lb/ft2, which is 25% less areal density than Hardwire-68, their IIIA.Many Level II panels can stop IIIA threats, but the BFD will simply exceed the NIJ 44mm limit and thus technically "fail" - keep in mind that soft armor is vulnerable to velocity as much as it is penetrator design. I have limited confidence in a Level II panel's ability against fast 9x19mm out of a PCC but it should be able to handle .44 magnum fine if you're willing to go over NIJ 44mm.The US military has switched to a ~58mm BFD limit to try and save weight on the VTP-series ESAPI / XSAPI, so there is some argument in favor of relaxing the BFD limit. I think, personally, that's a mistake and BFD limits should trend lower - as they do with VPAM, HOSDB, German TR, and especially the Russian / Ukrainian GOST / DSTU standards. Those are all 25mm limit or less. Less BFD, less potential for behind armor blunt trauma. Less behind armor blunt trauma, better the odds you can just "ignore" the hit and maintain combat effectiveness.
>>64344518>Optimal loadout>Scavenger >Juggernaut>Steady Aim
>>64344529Based.
>>64345866Beretta 92?
>>64352479I'd think a trauma pad would mitigate this though. And what's the wisdom on a hard plate with soft armor backing?
>>64344518Remember when Patriotards did not want Body Cameras for Muh Blue backing Body cams have been the greatest gift to Americans in history
It’s worth noting that force disparity between oneself and a lunchtime rowdy disappears as the weapons involved get more primitive and closer to the Stone Age. In the limit, the most primitive weapons used are fists, and force disparity will depend on numerical superiority, which the hypertribal Africans always have. The white man, however, can manage competent use of ranged weapons, the gifted schoolboy can not. Thus, a CC pistol and scoped rifle are all one needs to establish dominion over the local nuclear physicists.>>64344545NTA. Retarded graph. What is the explanation for the dips at 12 and 21”? How can someone even publish such a chart with those obvious, glaring errors?
>>64356359It needs to be a substantial trauma pad like a Russian KAP (climatic amortization panel). You can buy these on Aliexpress. They're either 10x14, which is meant for a Russian universal size or 6x8, which can be run with sides or run two of them horizontal behind a 10x12.These drop BFD on Russian Granit plates from around ESAPI level (<44mm) to under 25mm.>hard plate with soft armor backing?Required for all ICW plates. Standalone it increases v50s and reduces BFD dependent on both strength of plate and soft armor.RUAG did a test in 1998 where they took a basic standalone Level IV plate, determined M993 pierced it at 150 meters and 7.62 Swiss P AP at 350 meters, then IIIA and double IIIA reduced that distance dramatically.
>>64356411The PoliceActivity YouTube channel is like porn to me. Was literally just watching a video. It’s top tier entertainment.
>>64355572>Flat top with a carry handle with a flat topRetard
>>64356592I know, right? It needs an offset flat top on the upper flat top.
>>64356592Flat Top*2 Blood Diamond Build
>>64351744>To get actually good dataIt is the year of our lord 2025 and the AR-15 is older than most posters dads here, and we still dont have good data on barrel lengths?
