SMGs are obsolete.
>>64347349Thanks unc we already know PCCs are shit.-9mm-weight of a 556-capacity of a 556-power of a pistol
>>64347403>uncBeen seeing this all over the place, is this the new popular African-American vernacular the white kids have co-opted?
>>64347349>Fun is obsolete >NO YOU CAN'T HAVE FUN EVERYTHING MUST BE SERIOUSI disagree.
>>64347531The future is now oldhead ass
>>64347403>PCCsif it's not select fire it's not a firearm.peeseesee peedeedubyahhhhh <--Larping wastes of money time resources materials and effort.>>64347612>Funok have it>OPYes the Uzi is an overweight obsolete relic.this is now a proper submachine gun thread
>>64347612> mag fed, semi auto revolverLooks fun.
>>643476506, 7 dogg.
>>64347722>proper submachine gunWhat kind of uzi is those?
>>64347612STOP LIKING THINGS
You're all sick people. I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all. I put a curse upon you all. Fuck ya mudda
>>64347349>SMGs are super cool and fucking rad and the finest option for HD in a non-gay worldFixed
>>64348216>SMGsif it's not select fire (or full-auto-only) it's not a submachine gun
idk bout smgs but pccs are fun on the bun
>>64347349So is your dick, but I bet you still like to play with it.
>>64348216SMGs are worse for overpen though.
>>64347349>>64347403>>64347722Be MP5>Loaded with 124gr +p, roughly matches .357 magnum performance from a 4" barrel>Recoils like a .22>Ideal FRT host>Accurate>Reliable>Peerless durability>More maneuverable than any but the gayest of SBRs>Won't immediately fuck your ears up on useYou're all just gay retards tbqh
>>64347349Bullshit. If they were easily accessible to the average American, they would be the ideal home defense weapon.
>>64348463Fucking everything overpens if you live in a house in North America. Birdshot will overpen.
>>64347349>SMGs are obsolete.I Don't Care.
>>64348796We live in a dangerous world, and when facing a self-defense situation, you can never be too certain. That's why professionals always recommend going John Wick style with enough overpen to destroy much of your own neighborhood / office building and resulting the deaths of perhaps 40-50 civilians.
>>64348668You've never held a MP5 have you. The ergonomics are terrible. The safety is made for giants, the grip for children, the stock for Chinese, and the recoil is worse than an AR. The clunkiest trashiest PSA AR shoots better and has better ammo to boot.It's one of those things people idolize because they've never used it.
>>64347531>Been seeing this all over the place, is this the new popular African-American vernacular the white kids have co-opted?yep, this phrase from the early 70s is definitely new you retard
>>64348853This
>>64349106Okay George
>>64349106>70'sGonna need a source on that one chief
>>64348853>>64349139anons of refined taste and discernment
>>64348668I'm an og HK disciple owner and MP5 fan but this (developed from Steyr) mogs it
>>64347349U wot m8?
>>64348668>>Won't immediately fuck your ears up on useI thought you wear ears for anything more powerful than subsonic 22lr?
>>64349382Is this the inspiration for the BL2 bandit smg body?
>>64349489>I thought you wear ears for anything more powerful than subsonic 22lr?at the range, yeah. if you have to "use" it you don't have time for that.
>>64348945t. nogunz
>>64347349Hello from the 90s
>>64349489Yes, legally the threshold for immediate hearing damage is 140dB. Unsurpressed 22 subsonic from a 16" bolt action is still over the threshold at 146, so really if it isn't an airgun you need to put on ears
>>64347349SMGs and PCCs are poverty coded, 300 blackout or GTFO poorfag>>64347777>quads
>>64349222Why does the handguard angle up towards the rear like that? Airsoft or something?
>>64348463>Muh AR is better for muh overpen
>>64348668>Lol9>Matching 357Reminder that the only good PCCs are leverguns in 357 or 44 magnum
>>64349777Nahhh blud got trips, six seveeeeeeennnnnn!!! Fr fr.
>>64348945>recoil is worse than an ARYou’ve never shot one, clearly
>>64349794reminder that 6.5 sneedmoor has a bullet diameter of 6.7mm, the most skibidi ahh round fr
>>64349777>>64349793asinine posts
>>64349793if you're actually using it you'd be better off using a 3030 desu, it's a direct upgrade if you aren't using it with a pistol
>>64348287I know what I said. Uzis are very easy to convert, as are MP5 clones and PS90s.
>>64348287This girl is 4 feet tall
>>64349777tree hunnid got dem trips damn bruh dats sum real hood nigga shit fr
>>64350066PPS-43 “pistols” are also extremely easy.
>>64349793Why must we fight? Can we not have a unison of yeehaw and brrt?
>>64350090>rail>large loop>not using a can on a lol9 pcc>pistol light on a PCCdios mio...
>>64350066>'convert'If it wasn't from the factory-built it's not a real submachine gun.
>>64347780FAMAE SAF, a Chilean SIG 540 clone downscaled to 9mm.
>>64347349>obsoleteThey're using SMGs in Ukraine now
>>64347349Name something better for high speed LEO concerned about overpen.It's a niche roll but it's what they still have.
>>64349106Only in nigger neighborhoods you kfc slurping future felon i can smell the fucking melanin on you nigger.
Went to Munich airport several times, often it was foids, but most of the time it was at least one dude with an MP5. If you act out and catch a burst of 115gr FMJ range ammo into your chest, you are having a bad day and will dicsontinue your previous hooligan conduct.
If they abolish the NFA, SMG's would have a small golden age in the civilian market. But yes, they're pretty much dead in military and most police.
>>64349780It looks like it's not attached at the front, maybe the lost the push pin and needed to take a picture
>>64349498Dunno, it's these
>>64347722>Yes the Uzi is an overweight obsolete relic.You take that back
>>64351080.223 varmint rounds
>>64350703You're not a real sub either but I'm gonna top you anyway>>64350808They're using whatever they can find in Ukraine. Saying it's being used in Ukraine is like saying it exists on earth
>>64349352remember that one guy on here who bought one of these at MSRP then tried to act like it was the best shit?
>>64349793Sorry retard, the numbers don't lie, 124gr +p out of a 9" barrel is typically going 1400fps +. This puts it right in the middle of typical 125gr performance from a 4" barrel. Not as good as my H110 hand loads from a 5" but if we're talking typical defense ammo bought off a shelf then they're pretty much identical.
>>64347349Maybe, but still cool as hell.
>>64348712We're like on the absolute cusp of them being deemable as "common use" items.We've got angled foregrips, collapsible/folding braces of many flavors mimicking stocks, and at least three completely different forms of full-auto simulation fire a hair's breadth from being indistinguishable from the real deal on many of the most common platforms, with hundreds of enthusiasts trying to come up with additional ones every day. Eventually there will be a need to admit that SBRs and SMGs are already in the hands of the common man with such prevalence that the NFA is pointless.
>>64347349no shit
>>64350808>>64351846
>>64352860Wrong.
>>64352593Uzis were cool in the 1970s and 80s but even by then they were obsolescent and overweight.>>64351985No don't remember that. A full auto PMX submachine gun, (You) mean?
Will pistols with detachable shoulder stocks make a return?
>>64352832God, I hope so
>>64354241
>>64354174Naah, as I said, SMGs and other open bolt designs are still cool as hell.
>>64356853they're cool from a vintage p.o.v.for a magazine-in-grip 'telescope bolt' submachine gun there's far better options today than the Uzi, which was a heavy brick even at time of its early 1950s entry into service
>>64349222SMG and Shotguns are both obsolete.
>>64352088Wow so it's worse than 357 in every way? Great insight retard
>>64357245How did we go from this to everyone wearing those helmets with the stupid earmuff cutouts and those silly quad NVG's
>>64358266Muh speed muh night vision even though it's daytime u gon get kilt in da streetz bro fr no cap
>>64347777check’d ZoomGODS
>>64358266>silly quad NVG’sBruh, the quad NODs are cool
The future of SMGs and PDWs is chassis/stocks for pistols. Intermediate rifle cartridges and SBRs have already killed the SMG of the last century. But now we can make machine pistols in polymer frames that are actually usable while still being somewhat concealable. So the SMG lives on because it can get even smaller. tldr; full retard polymer wonder nine inna chassis
>>64348313This kills the paper target.
>>64359668Shit like this sometimes makes me wish I was a nigger, with all the perks that entails. Notable among them is that I’d get to own a full auto Glock and the ATF wouldn’t fuck with me, because I’m not expected to know any better, or understand the law, or conceive of consequences rendered in the future, etc.All joking aside, I agree, SMGs can live on as super tiny machineguns. They don’t even have to be of the pistol+chassis form - something like the TP9 is basically the same thing. But as soon as the mag moves in front of the grip, the resulting firearm is of rifle architecture, and you’re always better served with a more potent cartridge like 300 blackout. Why use the tiny pistol cartridge when the dimensional constraints that produce such cartridges are absent?
>>64357245Shotguns have newfound value as impromptu anti-drone devices, so there’s that. If we do find ourselves in a war in the near future, shotguns will be indispensable.
>>64347349>beretta PMX9>FORT-230>B&T APC9KExcluding PDWs chambered in sub-intermediate rifle rounds, are these the last hurrah of the SMGs? Any other new designs actually being adopted by major militaries or national LEAs?
>>64360875>because I’m not expected to know any better, or understand the law, or conceive of consequences rendered in the future, etc.All a white male can do is become rich instead.
>>64360875>because I’m not expected to know any better, or understand the law, or conceive of consequences rendered in the future, etc.Why do you hate the police?
>>64360910these and a few others are the only contemporary designs, yes'last hurrah' <--whatever that's supposed to mean, it could ? also apply to military rifles as well. Submachine guns today in 2025, are a relative niche market in mil and law enforcement firearms compared to a half century ago. They've been supplanted or replaced for many long term users by short-barreled select fire automatic rifles (more recently those chambered in calibers such as .300 BLK for example).Pistol caliber submachine guns still have a role and are still today desired by users, but their market share has shrunk. And, compared to during/immediately after World War II the widespread requirement for cheap mass manufactured guns has changed i.e. for today's small arms both select fire rifles and submachine guns, the design and manufacture standards have increased somewhat. SMGs of World War II era were predominantly mass production least-cost weapons (to be supplied in vast numbers, quickly) which is not a design philosophy or template for mil small arms today.
>>64360884What is the best anti-drone shotgun? Asking for a friend.
>>64361953No idea, but I’m tempted to postulate anything mag-fed, loaded with buckshot or birdshot. And Iirc some drone-specific loads were recently developed.
>>64361922AI posters should be perma banned.
>>64362036No, they and the people who developed the shit and the people that maintain the data centers should be dragged into the street and beaten to within an inch of their life before being shot. AI posters are subhuman, for they are incapable of utilizing the most basic thing that makes us human, language. Allowing them to live and propagate poses a threat to humanity on a fundamental level
>>64347349How much is the cheapest Uzi
>>64360910This>>64359668
>>64362036wtf are (You) talking aboutIt was *retard* #64360910 (<--probably an AI) that posed the idiotic 'muh PDW' question**(You)** should be banned. This board /k/ = Joke.
>>64359668hue chads stay winning
>>64359668>chassis/stocks for pistolsThey're gay and get mogged by actual pdws/smgs like >>64360910
>>64360910KUNA
>>64362226I should be able to go to my local sporting goods store and purchase an Uzi (select fire) for $1,100.00 brand new.
>>64360884>>64361953Only Answer
>>64363232>They're gay and get mogged by actual pdws/smgs likeLike what? A chunky blowback machine pistol with a stock and mag forward of grip designs?That's not exactly mogged my fampiedesudesu. And those guns are fine and all but chassis for existing tilting barrel pistols are smaller and they take the same magazines as likely buyers are already fielding in mass. That's why they will be the future of SMGs and PDWs.
>>64363232>>64364333And by chassis I mean stuff like the raider not the macaroni.
>>64364333If they're better, why isn't any actual military or police force adopting them?
>>64360875>But as soon as the mag moves in front of the grip, the resulting firearm is of rifle architecture, and you’re always better served with a more potent cartridge like 300 blackout. Why use the tiny pistol cartridge when the dimensional constraints that produce such cartridges are absent?A mag in front of the grip SMG can still be significantly smaller than even the smallest SBRs.
>>64364392For equivalent barrel lengths, the difference in length will be the same as the difference in COAL between cartridges. So like an inch. Not to say that such a gun isn’t useful, just that there are better chamberings and a better type of gun to use with that caliber.
>>64364333Not only are the "chunky blowback machine pistols" far more stable in shooting than a stocked handgun, they can also fire literally hundreds of thousands of rounds without major parts failure.That's why despite it's cost and theoretically slightly higher recoil than a roller-delayed SMG, and more bulk than a stocked handgun, militaries are still adopting blowback SMGs, because they won't need to buy new ones for a really long time.
>>64364608Wasn't SOCOM testing the raider for the 320? That's a whole other frame/chassis not just a stock on a pistol. Would provide the same stability as the fort.
>>64347774What in the fuck are you smoking
>>64347349Who cares? They're cool, ventilating dudes with something that looks like it was bought in an automotive store is neat.
>>64347349They are used for police work now. Most armies use armor that is at least NIJ III, it's still fit for police as rifles would over penetrate. Please learn to tie your shoes before posting
>>64364380>"acktually"Mil /police procurement is more of a joke in 21st century than it ever has been (never mind the bureaucracies/govs themselves, just look a the contractors' products)the U.S. Army being prime example todayalso as everyone knows the original NATO PDW 1990 program was kind of a jokeIt's all a joke really. For mil and police service the smaller caliber 5.7 / 4.6 / and pistol rounds ought and can still be used for many tasks but due to post-1980s logistics, economy-of-scale and widespread adoption of AR-15 pattern rifles/carbines/'short barrels' the services have started by default and for cost economy simplicity and "dumb enough for all" just adopting 5.56-everything as standard issue.Why even have these thread topics/discussions if every single "rifle" in the world is going to be some variant-or-other of AR-5.56? Because that's all which will ever exist from this point forward in time, correct? Just stop discussing anything at all, everything is an AR in .223
>>64347349pic is israeli slop
>>64368933checked, OP pic is a fucking Action Arms import
>>64347349no
>>64347531Isn't UNC a coin grading level? t. I have some old coins
>>64360884>impromptu anti-drone devicesno they don't lol. the ukirane war has been going on for years and we only have like 3 clips of drones being downed by shotguns.
>>64351193I wonder if she would let me clean it with her?
>>64347349Still cool.
>>64368933>>64369441So?>>64371444
>>64371450Nobody cares never did about Action Armsand Uzis are dinosaur gunsIngram M10 mogs the Uzi
this whole thread is a cope for cuckolds who let their government take away their fully automatic submachine guns.
>>64372695Even the Uzi Pro?
>>64347349Okay, then let us buy one that was made this century so we can test ourselves.
>>64374440far too high ROF
I'd love to see modernized Chink Jatimatic in 762tok. Rails and stuff. Since it's life died in Finland.
>>64376780This looks like it would explode
>>64372758whatever mang, frts basically make it a moot point.
>>64376787Og 9x19 Jatimatic survived, how hard it could be to manufacture it in spicy 762 and in China? Though worst Koreans couldn't make AK's that didn't explode... AK is still MASCHINENPISTOLE, no?
