For concealed carry, which should be prioritized: capacity/volume of fire, or accuracy/effectiveness on target? Leaving out edge cases of course, like the PMR-30 (30 rounds of .22 magnum) or S&W 629 (snubnose .44 mag).
>>64347857>should I pick retarded under powered option, or retarded over powered optionHow about you stop sucking dicks first, then rethink your life choices before picking a carry gun?
>>64347857for a conceal carry you should prioritize concealability before anything else. Then, make sure it's 9mm, .38 special, .357, .380, .45 auto, .40S&W, or even 10mm for it's caliber. whoopty-poo
>>643478576 shots is enough if you can shoot worth a damn, and revolvers always conceal better than semi-autos since they don't print nearly as much
>>64347857If not a doublestack then a revolverRevolver pros>ultra reliable >low profile>less fears of negligent discharge>still kills people>limp wristing non existent Cons>heavy trigger pull>capacity>slow reloadsPersonally I think capacity is the biggest downside and why I just carry a glock 26.
>>64347857Just exactly how many rounds do you think you'll need in a civilian involved shooting? Do you believe that you're John Wick or something?And what do you think your self defense claim is going to look like when it takes you 20 rounds to hit what you are aiming at?Jesus, no one has any common sense anymore
>>64347857>>For concealed carry, which should be prioritized: capacity/volume of fire, or accuracy/effectiveness on target? 1. What can you draw the fastest?2. From those you can draw the fastest what can you put a round on target fastest with? We are talking a minute of pie plate accuracy here. You are ten feet from a human who's upper torso is mostly vital organs. 3. From the handguns you can draw and shoot the fastest what hits the hardest? That should read what makes the biggest deepest hole? That one right there? Thats your Huckleberry.
Enough ammunition to win.
>>64347857A gun you actually carry. The modal dgu is <3 rounds, <3 seconds, at <3yards.I'm that respect, the comfortable, lightweight pocket pistol is king. The nuisance of a boat anchor in your pants that makes you walk funny is why a lot of people with CCWs don't use them, because they got memed into the IWB Glock 19.
>>64347857False dichotomy. Accurate volume of fire is the answer. Fist sized groups of 3-5rnds as fast as you can and as far as you canis the answer. You want to be able to do that at least a couple of times before reloading, so capacity is a factor in that.
>>64349137Nah, that's the average shooting not the mode. Typical stats indicate an average of 2.5-3rnds with an approximately 30%-35% one shot stop occurrence. If by modal you mean mode then that'd be the most common outcome which is a higher round count than the average as the one stop shots decrease that number. If 1/3rd of shootings are one shot stops and the average shots fired in a DGU is 3 then the average rounds fired for the other 70% of DGUs is just under 4.
>>64349137>>64349195Actual handgun incidents in the US break down like this.99% of handgun encounters end without a shot fired. Handgun drawn, confrontation ends. If the 1% left 99% of that one percent end with the first one to shoot and hit winning and ending the encounter. Of the miniscule amount left after that you have an absolute shitshow of people fuck firing in random directions, multiple misses, bystander grandma taking one to the cunt, John Wick wannabe shooting his dick off trying to draw, 15 cops shooting a 10 year old with a squirt gun 84 times out of 3000 rounds fired, a security gaurd shooting a random dog then getting capped by fidos owner...
>>64349195All handgun shooting statistics are made up by people who hope you don't know how percentages work using cherry picked data advertised as "the most comprehensive" ever compiled.
What matters is a gun you're proficient with and like (or can live with) to carry.
>>64349082revolver ccw fags are the biggest retards on /k/. all of your arguments revolve around 'expected' self-defense situations. like you are carrying a gun specifically for when a guy walks up to you and mugs you and nothing else.you are going through all the hassle of carrying a gun to only be prepared for one type of violence
>>64349137I heard the 3 shots 3 yards 3 seconds guy completely made it all up.ASP says the shootings distribute into either around 5 and 10. Like two bell curves at those two numbers.Anti gunners use a statistic saying two shots is the average encounter defending mag bans and the statistics were literally made up by someone working for an anti gun group. You using the 3 shots statistic means youāre on the side on anti gunners.By the way I can shoot 6 rounds in under 2 seconds.
>>64349388You are the guy that carries a full size and 2 extra mags even when you go to a pool party becauseā¦.you never know.
>>64349394You are literally retarded. In more ways than one. >>two shots, anti gunWow you were retarded at the beginning and the end of your post. The fbi claimed 7 shot average for LAW ENFORCEMENT you dumb fat fuck. Civilian shooting average is below 2. Its below a whole number if you count the majority of incidents that no shot is fired. Seriously you get more and more full of shot every day.
>>64349394>>im going to post my bullshit made up crap and a picture of me sitting in mommy's chair pretending im allowed to conceal carry out of the house.
>>64347857Whatever you think. It's up to you.
>>64349388People who go into grizzly country during mating season carry revolvers and have since before you were born. You won't need more than that to stop skinny Tyrone with his spork from stealing your debit card faggot.
>>64349388>your arguments Go ahead and point out where I made any argument in favor of a goddamn revolver in that post. Nigger brained moron. You're exactly what I was talking about. No common sense at all, no ability to think rationally or prepare yourself for real world encounters.
>>64349348I love how S&W spams out new guns and nobody even notices.
>>64349465post your statistics faggot
>>64349485in your mind they do. where all your revolverfag fantasies are where you shoot black guys through your jacket pocket
>>64349388This guy gets it, a carry gun is something that may save your life, stop playing around with meme boomer slop>>64349444Literally me frfr
Your priority for concealed carry is to end the fight as fast as possible. There are arguments for both, since shooting a lot of bullets fast ends the fight fast, or shooting a couple really powerful rounds slightly slower can produce that result. The .44 Mag snubnose doesn't do either very well since it has a ton of recoil with less energy than a Glock 29. The true min-max options are a TX22 with that sick FRT or a 5" .460 Mag.
>>64347857Currently I carry a Shield Plus and it's a good little shooter while being easy to carry. At times though I hear the sweet siren call of my 686, beckoning me to carry her again with the sounds of "what if the nigger tries to run you over?" and "You think that puny 9 is gonna punch through the landwhales around here?"
>>64350084I won't lie, I don't like the idea of having to explain in court why the nog I shot has 20 some odd holes in him. However the thought of unleashing the swarm of angry bees while yelling "DOCTOR BEES" does seem worth it
>>64347857No one needs more than 7 rounds of .45. Because one round of .45 is enough to drop a charging bull moose in the rut. Any more and your asking to be tried in court for murder
>>64347857A microcompact and a 300 blackout is the modern version of a 38 snubbie and a 3030
>>64349388If you're at home, a long gun kicks the shit out of any handgun.Once you discount break-ins, you're basically just left with muggings, carjackings, some asshole trying to start a fight - which are multi-sigma outliers to begin with. If you're planning for a mass shooting or something, first of all, any handgun is a popgun compared to a long gun, and second, having any gun at all makes you exponentially more prepared. Incel McColumbine isn't expecting anyone to fire back.
>>64347857Honestly?I'd just carry both, desu
>>64347857Autoloader as primaryJ-frame as backupsimple as
>>64350455>>64350446Great minds think alike.Truly great minds, think about porn.
>>64347857the real answer?> accuracy/effectiveness on targetbut thats just a way of saying shot placement is king. we all know that.10 or 15 years ago I was anti fudd. I wanted the most capacity. the most COD pistol/rifle/shotgun I could get. the most rounds I could put downrange is what mattered.then boomerism kicked in after the age of 33. I began to crave revolvers. I became scared of glock leg. I drowned in webms of cops panicking and dropping their mags on polymer pistols or just stovepiping and then dropping the mag.I know women who are comfortable with their glocks as ccw. cant shoot for shit but they are fine carrying them.I got a smith model 66 stainless without the hillary hole for my carry gun. I fucked up. its fuck huge for a guy with medium sized hands. its just a fucking brick. and 357 out of a fucking snubby is snappy as fuck. one box of it and your wrists are numb like you just did an hour at the batting cage.so comfort/reliability>capacity>caliber>range/effectiveness/accuracy
>>64349546I want one
>>64350153>>64350253>.45I'm waiting for a Shield 45 Plus (with upgraded trigger)6 rounds is plenty
>>64347857Accuracy and volume of fire are both important. Do you mean capacity/reload speed? That can be prioritized too by not using a stupid fucking 1800s revolver. You need to put accurate shots on the threat and be ready for his friends.
>>64350030>>64350052Kys
>>64347857Capacity is nice and all, but just statistically speaking you're extremely unlikely to have to fire more than one shot if you have to pull the trigger. There's a reason a lot of people are pretty comfortable carrying just 5 or 6 rounds in a snub, with MAYBE one reload, it's almost certainly going to cover for all realistic eventualities.So, using something like .38 Special, 9mm Luger, or .380 Auto as the floor for power, look for something which you can shoot well, conceal well, and draw well.You want to not just be able to place some decent aimed shots at 20yds, but you should also try to train so called point shooting for somewhat shorter ranges.That is, shooting without getting a sight picture, because there's a realistic chance that you may have to shoot in a situation where you can't/don't need to get a sight picture, but you would need to shoot as soon as absolutely possible.>>64347949Automatics can be flat, revolvers can't.>>64349388It's certainly not impossible to end up in an actual brundlefuck situation, but it's still very unlikely. If you feel better with more ammo on you, I'm not gonna stop you, but if you're carrying like, say, 20 rounds on you, either in one mag in the gun or as two 10 rounders, that would be enough for all kinds of really ridiculous violence.
>>64347857A snubby is just a straight up less capable weapon than a compact or even micro compact 9mm, you need to stop coping and just accept that. It has less capacity and similar ballistics, and no, .357 magnum in a snubby is stupid, you're making it even harder to shoot for very questionable gains in power. That doesn't mean you shouldn't carry a snubby, the main reasons to carry one are comfort, concealability and versatility, it can go in a pocket, a soft holster, small fanny pack, or you can use a belt clip to carry without a holster You need to ask yourself if you are willing to trade capability for comfort. If you're disciplined enough to carry a glock 19 in a hard kydex holster absolutely everywhere and you're willing to make tradeoffs with how you dress for work, family time and leisure activities, and you care about having the most capable weapon then carry the glock.If you know yourself and you know you're a lazy fuck who's going to leave the glock at home a lot of the time then just carry a snubby and put the effort in to get good with it.
>>64351013>Automatics can be flat, revolvers can'tThe problem is automatics are L-shaped, which means they don't conform to the body as well as revolvers, that are more J-shaped, and although the cylinder is wider you can often position it so that the cylinder rests in a hollow of the pelvis.
>>64347857If concealment is going to be the primary concern, then whatever you're able to shoot well with. And if you're not near John Wick capabilities, you're gonna have to go with capacity.So a gun you can conceal well enough, be controllable enough for you to shoot well, and have enough capacity to compensate for stress shots that hit nothing.
>>64347857Carry a heritage bootgun in my coat, and a m&p in my waist. I know it's retarded but it's the path I've chosen.
>>64348984it's a numbers game, and a situation where you are engaging multiple or very determined person(s), needing to reload, as a regular person. You'd need to be in some absolute shithole country or you're fucking with the cartel or some other organized threat.But for 99% of people, just having a gun and having some semblance of competency with it, is going to be more than enough for most. Granted you gtfo right after.
>>64350532>>shot placement is king. we all know that.No it isn't. A hit anywhere is king. Placement in self defense situations is wildly overrated. You are going on years of misinformation. The occasional pcp crazy (and that usually a police and not sd issue) most incidents end without a shot fired. Most incidents when shots are fired (civilian) end on the first hit. Literally anywhere. Even in police shootings shots hit anywhere end the incident. Minute of pie plate is more than good enough for a pistol situation in pistol distances.
>>64351246This. If you feel you will ever need a full mag, plus extras then you shouldn't ever go to where you are going. If you think you need that to go to the grocery store then go to a different grocery store. Because its about being preparedā¦so prepare better and go somewhere else. And if you say > but you never know anonThen why nit buy a fucking rocket launcher? Why stop at 2 dozen rounds of .45? Why, because it comes down to odds. Is there a scenario where an anon would love to have a rocket launcherā¦.yes. Is that realistic scenario rareā¦ā¦extremely. So if we look at the odds honestly a snubbie is great.
>>64349546everybody was talking about the Bodyguard 2.0 because it blew the LCP out of the water. Dummy.
>>64349444God that movie was so fucking bad.
>>64347857What model Ruger is that
>>64349102Is that the v2 enigma
Why do people even say>capacity AND shot placementwhen it should be an OR
>>6435101320 rounds is more than enough for anything short of a spontaneous Baboons Looting Madly riot in your living room and why would you even be around one of those unless you were trying to be Saigamarine 2
>>64349388The most common and statistically most likely kind
You are responsible for each round you fire.
>>64352128>using statistics on an event that is extremely unlikely
>>64352209We all know what a "good neighborhood" means. If you live in a city it either happened to you or someone you know, or it will.
>>64347857If you don't know just get a microcompact 9mm, it's the most popular category of guns for a reason. I still want to try one of the new 32 snubbies though, the 38s are way too snappy imo
>>64352015that isnt a bodyguard
>>64353383i know, dummy
>>64352042LCR, they're available in a larger version and with or without exposed hammer. I have a small one in 327, full power rounds are pretty punishing, 357 would be even worse. I had a friend's 38 apart for cleaning, I liked what I saw and bought one for myself; they're good guns.
>>64352039It really was.
>>64353474Thanks anon, totally forgot about the LCR. love the fat grip on it.
>>64349243Sounds like hysterical delusions to me, just carry airsoft then, I said shootings instead of DGU for a reason>>64349261Honestly pretty inclined to believe this, not a SINGLE analysis of average rounds fired in a shooting style study has undergone any sort of validation or peer review. Every single one of them refuses to let anyone else look at their supposed data. Honestly think it's more likely they just come up with a claim they think is believable(while supporting their own beliefs) then publicized it for attention/money.
>>64352065Yes, the face plate is better. A lot of my enigmas would snap and would be kept together by condura wrap
>>64353696Thought about getting a v2, haven't had any issues with the v1 yet but the plate is def sharp
>>64347857Prioritize accuracy, then you can worry about capacity :>) start with DAO and when you can shoot 5 shots without pulling at all or flinching then you can reward yourself with a light trigger
>>64354594>>weapon is for close range self defense >>Prioritizing accuracy >>close range self defense >>Prioritize accuracy >>fast action and reaction required to survive >>Prioritize accuracy See? This is why the gun community is now like aids. A retard can hit the upper human torso with zero training from a snub nose revolver in whatever magnum caliber you like. >>Prioritize accuracy For a series of events that you will most likely never need, but if you do do not reward accuracy but punish those who are not quick.
>>64354613>when niggers point shoot its because they're low IQ idiots>when wvight men point shoot its because they are trad anti-tryhards
>>64351233Sure, but this is a very subjective territory. There's all kinds of different automatics and revolvers which I think are very good carry weapons, and I think we're kind of spoiled for choice, honestly.I sometimes wonder if the idea of the Charter Arms Bulldog could be resurrected for the modern day, a lightweight revolver, but instead of .44 Special, rather it'd use .45 Auto with clips. I don't think the market is hurting for the absence, but I could imagine that it's the exact kind of thing which some people would want.>>64352104Exactly. Which is why, while I was never very convinced of the 5.7mm cartridge personally, I think the notion of KelTec's new semi-compact pistol with a fixed 20rd magazine is perfectly ok, that's more than enough ammo for almost anything.That's hypothetically good for killing a whopping 20 separate attackers, which would be an absolutely extreme eventuality to even imagine. I see little point in even carrying a reload when the pistol itself holds THAT much.
>>64349243First time I laughed today. Thank you anon.
>>64354613I know that it's less likely, but it's sure as fuck not implausible or unheard of for someone to be shot at from beyond 7yds. You really SHOULD train so that you can take aimed shots at least to like 20yds, which is something that you may just have to do, for instance in the unlucky (but not impossible) chance that a spree shooter attacks your location.>>64354662Because Jamal van Tyroneborn doesn't actually practice point shooting at all, he just assumes that the bullet will hit if he points the weapon and that's that.Point Shooting is in fact a skill which you have to learn and practice, you aren't going to be good at it until you learn how to do it.
>>64354721>Point Shooting is in fact a skill which you have to learn and practice, you aren't going to be good at it until you learn how to do it.and as paul harrel has shown, point shooting is barely faster than aimed shooting and less likely to hit.point shoot nerds never post groups, they never post footage, they only type out vibes and feels.
>>64354731You remember which video that was? I'm curious.
>>64354731Paul Harrell also doesn't shoot like most modern shooters do. That makes a time difference as well. Paul also could shoot a magnum caliber glock near as makes no difference the same speed as a "normal caliber". That aside we are not talking about multiple shots. We are talking about drawing and hitting a human torso sized target fast.>>never post groups.You want to see a standard sheet of paper with a bunch of holes in it? Thats about as accurate as the common man gets or needs to be point shooting. >>post footage Hold on and I'll post a picture of a timer that absolutely Scouts honor is my time...Nobody actually gives a fuck. K is a vanilla run off board for normals banned from other mainstream sights. Its all glows and red hoes.
>>64354752>Paul Harrell also doesn't shoot like most modern shooters doyeah he does. its not like he had some super esoteric shooting style.
>>64354744https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pdEJBKoNC8
>>64354765Tanks fer yer cervix
>>64354761No, he didn't. Jesus..Old school thumb over thumb. Screw gun grip, tool grip. Staggered stance (weaver). "Locked" shoulder pistol arm. Paul actually still did things that make sense. As opposed to the new...pic related, nonsense. That said a little bit faster point shooting means you hit first. And in pistol shootings the facts say he who hits first wins the vast majority of the time.
>>64354788I just raRealized comp shooters teach this, but unironically.
>>64349147This is the only real answer
>>64354788>Old school thumb over thumb>WeaverThat kind of stuff still makes sense to me, and I'm not even particularly old. I'm the guy who looks at the 92FS and 5906, and I like the fingerstep on them, that's the kind of feature I want on a pistol for recoil control.
>>64354819>that's the kind of feature I want on a pistol for recoil control.but it doesnt control recoil, it just makes you have a worse grip.
>>64354825Elaborate.
>>64354819Im not a fan of the 92. Was in the Army, thought they were shit. However I am a fan of Paul. Even when his conclusions or opinions don't give with mine, then way he presents them makes sense.
>>64354825The spacing, faggot. Stop treating this place as your runoff board when you get banned for being a fucking low rent edgeloard elsewhere.
>>64354838that one finger hooked on the front of the trigger guard is not helping, if anything its pulling the gun in a horizontal direction. people stopped using that grip because its suboptimal, you control recoil with good grip texture and a strong grip
>>64347857>>64349243>repelling muggers is trivial>2A principle is absolute right to self-defense of one's person and property-- the obligation is for collective total defense.The edge case is Crocus City Hall in Moscow, Gaza Gliders, or worse on the scale of a Tet Offensive, and you're kicking yourself that you settled for Fudd convenience and comfort. Plenty of people paying insurance for less likely eventualities that can't be arsed to carry additional magazine(s).
>>64354904You think your full size auto would have saved the day in these scenarios?
>>64354921*auto loader
>>64354904People pay insurance because you literally have to under penalty of law. >>64354862>>gripThe best grip is one handed sideways stance. It is the most accurate and natural. Why aren't you doing that? Because some popular faggot didn't tell you to, thats why.
>>64347857A revolver is going to be way way better for someone without any training. They'll be able to hit the target
>>64347857Whatever you can shoot well under pressure and not flinch so bad you drop shots or miss. Then whichever has the most ammo and is center fired. It might be one round it might be the whole mag. I think volume of fire has been the king of tactical engagements since forever. But you still need to make hits above all else. None of it matters if you miss or hit the wrong person.
>>64354752>Paul also could shoot a magnum caliber glock near as makes no difference the same speed as a "normal caliber"."magnum caliber glock" you own any guns? you talk alot of shit for someone who has never posted any proof you actually shoot or have guns Paul is an okay shooter. Not the best and you should really stop sucking him off
>>64347857Both.Larpmaxxed strikerslop and revolvers both have their flaws that show under extreme durress, ie: defending yourself while severely injured.>>64348984>revolver>ultra reliableDropping one in the mud has a really high chance of permanently disabling the gun. People love to focus on strikerslop limp wristing and ignore that falling in a somewhat dirty puddle can make a .38 snub a one shot single action.
>>64354957>heavy DA pull every shot>someone who never shoots6-8lb DA on a premium gun sureshitty taurus trigger? no waystriker fired guns were invented for such retards>the holster = the safety>promise you'll hold onto it really well ok?>ok training over
>>64355043>DA/SA>literally the ideal gun on paper>must learn two triggers and always remember to decock>quality starts at $750>police trade in glocks start at $250oh good guns the poors and agencies barely knew ye
>>64354904I am of the opinion that if you live where something like THE FUCKING TET OFFENSIVE happens, you are already in an active warzone or right next to one, and you know it, and you should probably be walking with a rifle in a sling instead, and have a car gassed up and ready to GTFO if shit finally pops off.You're WAY past the question of pistol size and capacity here.
>>64355058>must learn two triggers You actually don't have to learn the DA trigger that hard, just treat it as your safety.>and always remember to decockThere is literally zero reason to do that stupid bullshit.
>64347857This is a bait thread. And I say that as someone who hates the ukraine spam. Shoot the biggest gun that you can accurately and reliably make hits on. What exact gun that is will be different for different people. For most people, 9mm is going to be the best all-purpose handgun round for most people.>>64349082>Do you believe that you're John Wick or something?The way this county is going, yeah, you might need to be on that level to defend yourself.>20 rounds to hit what you are aiming at?Git gud scrub>>64350554>>64350556I want a CSX in .45. I know it is stupid, but I want it anyway. No, I don't want a commander or officer 1911. They are garbage. It would be even better if it was a full size double stack.
>>64355247Good pick but I would want it in 40 with a ported barrel. Though if for some arcane reason we can't have a ported CSX I'd also be on board for 45
>>64355264>>64355247I want it in .30 sc, and it even seemed like that was the plan until they saw how poorly the shield plus and ez did in .30
>>64355264>ported barrelsy tho. They are just loudeners. I did forget .40. Real talk, .40 is a bit under rated, but it is an oddball. Maybe if you wanted to have one and only handgun round to standardize on, but there is not much of a purpose between 9 and ,45.I image .40 recoil out of a pocket pistol would be harsh. I have a CSX; it is manageable, but it makes 9mm feel like a .45 in terms of recoil.
>>64349444>watching that retard movie with friends>first thing i say is "how did he get a gun to Greece? He cant, no matter how american he is">its probably not a big deal>its actually the entire point of the movie>the whole fucking plot revolves around the fact one of the characters just literally pulled a gun out of his fucking speedos in the middle of Greece for no conceivable reason
>>64349082>And what do you think your self defense claim is going to look like when it takes you 20 rounds to hit what you are aiming at?So because you HAVE 20 rounds on you, that means that you would automatically use ALL of them, no matter what? If I carry a 5 shot shub, am I obligated to always fire all 5 shots if I have to pull the trigger? No? That sounds really stupid? Yeah, I agree, which is why it would also be extremely stupid to assume that because someone carries a gun which holds 7rds, 10rds, 15rds, or even as many as 20rds, that they are always going to use all of them, or that that they are highly likely to use all of them.You know just as well as I do that they are almost certainly still only going to fire one, maybe two shots, and that's IF they are ever firing a shot at all.Speaking as someone who's perfectly open to the idea of carrying a snub, or even a 2-shot .38 Derringer or itty bitty .32 pocket pistol if you're good with it, I would say that your mind is heavily clouded by fuddery.I would certainly say that most people would not benefit from carrying a 92FS with a whole brace of mags with them on the daily, that's probably cumbersome, and I think that some people really DO have unrealistic ideas about capacity and reloads in a carry gun, but you yourself is getting REALLY carried away on this point.tl;dr get raped
>>64355247Honestly, a slightly upsized CSX to a single stack .45 or .40 would be a cool carry gun. 6 or 7 rds with a larger caliber, in a gun that still isn't that large (and doesn't carry some of the 1911's baggage).>>64355318Have you ever shot the CSX with the compensator? It could make a difference.
>>64355291>I want it in .30 scThat was dead on arrival.It was a solution looking for a problem.They should have marketed it as an autoloading equivalent to .327 mag instead of a .380/9mm replacement.Maybe it could have worked for the CSX, but as someone who already bought into 9mm, it doesn't make any sense for me.>>64355379>Honestly, a slightly upsized CSX to a single stack .45 or .40 would be a cool carry gun. 6 or 7 rds with a larger caliber, in a gun that still isn't that large (and doesn't carry some of the 1911's baggage).I agree. That's exactly what I like about the CSX. It's kinda sorta like a 1911, but without the fussiness of a 1911, and it can fit into your pocket. I still wish Smith and Wesson would make a full size version of it, because it would be a essentially be a modernized 1911, but with more capacity and it could compete with the 2011 style guns.>Have you ever shot the CSX with the compensator? It could make a difference.Nope. I have no idea. Maybe? It might make sense for a small gun in a large caliber.
>>64355247>CSXYeah I've seen the thread discussions on those. They seem interesting. But for carry 1911s aren't my thing. Anyway I still want an updated Shield 45 from S&W for carryYes it's a bait thread. Look at three-fourths of the reply posts, just the same generic stuff that's been already-said and discussed 10,000,000Ć
>>64355058>quality starts at $750you can get a px4 for 500 bucks
>>64347857
>>64350030Is that a bad thing?
having any gun makes you exponentially more prepared than mostactually training and knowing how to hit your target with the gun you happen to own makes you even more well off than pretty much everyone elsehaving a gun you like makes it easier to practice with because you already like the gun and want to use it at the range, making you more likely to practice so basically just carry what you want, just make sure you practice with itspare 22lr semi automatics & single shots, those are retarded to carry
>>64355264maybe im just retarded but whats the point of a comp on a pocket pistol? the bodyguard 2.0 somewhat makes sense because its 380 and it may make a difference but if you are shooting .40, .45, 10mm, etc. i dont get the point, the comp isnt going to even slightly mitigate the recoil, you get pocket pistols in that caliber not because they are easy to shoot but because they put a lot of hurt on the target in a very small package, tradeoff being the awful usability
>>64356450>phone screenshot of a reddit meme with animedude i know it's a bait thread but maybe relax
>>64356496adds a bit of weight to the front, but you're right. it ain't much for how far it pushes a pistol out of the 'pocket pistol' tier with the size it adds.
>>64347874You should probably trying reading before you post
>>64355264>but I would want it in 40of course you would you predictable contrarian.
>>64357024>me no like what you like>you not my tribe me no like me mad
>>64357187no man, liking .40sw is a conscious decision. you saw that it was hated and thought "hmm, that must mean its the best actually" as you buy a 300 dollar LE-trade P226
>>64357024Well I'd like it in 10 but then you'd need to scale up the design way too much. 40 is at least doable given how many 9s were redesigned for 40. Also it's only second fiddle to 10mm, look at any ballistic chart and 40 runs circles around 9 and 45>>64357268Or maybe because I've owned a few 40s over the years and liked them
>>64357420>owned a few 40s over the yearshow many were police trade-ins?
>>64357268>people choose it for this made up reason i just came up withUh huh, tell us more about why you dont do a thing
>>64347857The real answer is ergos and shootability over everything. This is why we always used to tell people to go to their local gun stores and fingerfuck everything before settling on a defensive handgun. More ammo and more stoppan powah are always good things, but itās impossible to quantify how much those things will actually matter in the real world, and the law of diminishing returns also comes into play. The best carry gun is a happy medium of all those attributes that suits (You). Thereās no one size fits all solution.
>>64349137>Glock 19>boat anchorI canāt believe zoomers are this pathetic
>>64347857>capacity/volume of fire, or accuracy/effectiveness on targetIf you can't hit anything and just going to spam your shots like a nigger in chiraq, you shouldn't be carrying.
>>64349394>I heard the 3 shots 3 yards 3 seconds guy completely made it all up.Itās one of those axioms that sounds true, so people think it must be true. In reality the most common defensive gun usage distance is closer to about 10 yards (two car lengths in a parking lot), and the 2-3 round average includes incidences where zero rounds were fired because the assailant ran away as soon as he realized the would-be victim was armed. Really thereās no way to quantify or predict how a violent encounter between two humans would ever play out, so your best bet is to just train with and carry the most powerful and effective gun (You) can handle.
>>64347857Just get a rooger rxm
>>64349137>The nuisance of a boat anchor in your pants that makes you walk funny is why a lot of people with CCWs don't use them>because they got memed into the IWB Glock 19.>boat anchor>Glock 19You're such a colossal poofter faggot it's not even funny
>>643574311 out of 3, Copsurp glock. The other two were a USP and a PX4. Liked them all but had to sell them off for one reason or another
>>64347857Accuracy trumps rof in most civil engagements, but above all you need speed, putting your shots on target more rapidly than the competition.
>>64358791Not every competition is a gun fight. Every gun fight is a competition.
>>64352379.327 FedMag you'll never go back
>>64357530Those zero shots matter though. Doesn't really help the capacity argument but reinforces the value of carrying somethingā¦..anything.
>>64351013That āstatisticā is as dated as that firearm you old sack of shit Vast majority of robbery videos are all 3-5 shots primarily from the victim if they ādraws firstā. Iām guessing youāre from the same intellectual discipline of thought that thinks threats are all singular (never in a group) and never actively move/sprint more than a paper target would at your favorite range in all directions while simultaneously firing (like virtually every fucking robbery footage to exist of the corpus of the past 20 years) infact yes reality is whatever a Jew grifter told you while selling a course
>>64359530How many of the group stick around if you just shot one of them three times?
>>64349102Is this the .40 or the 9mm? I've been eyeing this model up, but idk what caliber is generally preferred, esp on the compact.
>>64347857How about you actually go out and practice with your conceal carry instead of comparing stats like you're playing call of duty you faggot
>>64360240.40 is best in the Px4
>>64360579Never thought thereād be a .40 shill. Mu mistake.
>>64354938>The best grip is one handed sideways stance. It is the most accurate and natural. Why aren't you doing that? >Because some popular faggot didn't tell you to, thats why.Thx anon I needed a laugh today
>>64350176>Worried about the courts>Wants to scream insane shit while peppering a niggerfor 4 da lulzOnly in your dreams could you get away with being so based
>>64347857>Not carrying a rifleHope you like dying retard
Common assertions are:>any capacity is good enough because most defensive shootings are resolved in 1 or 2 shots so you could even carry a derringer.>Any caliber is fine enough because one shot usually resolves or dissuades the attack so you could even carry a .22lr (is a mugger really willing to die for the $20 in your wallet and your old cellphone with a cracked screen?)>most self defense shootings happen at very close ranges and with a man sized target the mechanical accuracy of any pistol is sufficient so accuracy should not be a consideration. Itās also possible that any defensive shooting past a certain distance, like 25ā, is hard to legally defend. Then again, someone charging you with a knife can quickly close a 25ā gap.Ultimately there is not much data available and its veracity is questionable. There could be survivorship bias inherent in this kind of data. Even if the data was reliable do you want to carry just what is fine enough for what we believe is āmost circumstancesā? Do you want to be prepared for any self defense circumstances? Autisti/k/s on this site have argued endlessly about what is best, I believe the top two considerations should be safety and reliability and I have never heard a good counter argument.>SafetySafety is important because you are unlikely to ever need your carry gun and that makes you the person it is most dangerous to. Even if you do need a pistol after carry it for thousands of hours, itās strapped to your body and pointed at your legs, ass, junk, hip, or important arteries for hours of your life. Carrying with an empty chamber makes the pistol a poor defensive tool if you ever do need it, so the pistol needs to be inherently safe so it doesnāt put a bullet in you.>ReliabilityReliability is trivial to understand, the pistol needs to go bang when you pull the trigger. You do not have the time to fuck around with jams and misfires when youāre drawing on someone who is putting you in mortal danger.
>>64361013Split times are the only thing that matters>SafetyFuck em>ReliabilityI can clear a jam faster than most people can even think
>>64361031>safety, fuck āemIām not talking about safeties, Iām talking about how safe the gun is to carry which may or may not involve a safety. A double action revolver or double action only automatic are inherently very safe to carry and many of them donāt have a physical safety. My point is that you have to be sure your EDC isnāt going to spit a hollowpoint into your femoral artery because a pebble fell into your holster or some stupid bullshit.>reliability doesnāt matter because Iām the champ at jam clearing You can train so that you are able to recognize jams and clear them quickly, but you have to hope that the training sticks with you when drawing on an attacker at night and not paper at a range, most people donāt train to this extent, even if youāre totally a pro and your jam clearing is near instinctual you are assuming that you have use of both of your hands.
>>64361084>words words wordsThat's a funny way to say that you'll be dead in the streets, cope
>>643602409mm. Donāt get the .40 one unless you have tons of free .40 The compact is the greatest DA/SA carry gun despite its many flaws (and if you use the carry or stealth levers)
>>64355051Way to drag a shitty technical argument, about a shit tier revolver's defects into this. I'm actually rated a pistol expert, my opinion is based. I watched first time shooters, miss every shot with a glock at 19 at 20 yards. It happens almost every time, but then take a not so cool looking, j frame and hit paper every shot. But thanks for your autistic seething rant. Fuck off and take your meds
>>64360579Any .40 is best seeing you can switch the barrel out for 357 SIG
>accuracy10/10 times you will shoot a garden variety auto like a hellcat pro or some shit with a red dot more accurately in a real defensive scenario than some retarded ultra-precise collector's revolver like a Korth or Manurhin.
>>64349388i carry a revolver because i'm not an operator and there's about a 0% chance i clear a malfunction if somebody's actively mugging me
>>64347857depends. idk. maybe. yeah.
>>64354696How do you like the Star PD?
>>64361425compact px4? it seems so chunky, how well does it conceal? i refuse to carry anything other than revolvers or da/sa, and the options for comfortable, concealable da/sa are slim pickins.
>>64349102>concealedlmao
>>64349388decent bait but i'm not gonna take it
>>64347857You're not getting either with a hammerless revolver.
>>64363578it's 1.2 inches wide, so basically a little wider than a glock 19 and as tall. People CC Glock 19s all day so the PX4 compact isn't out there. I conceal one every day to work where guns are banned and various other no gun zones. I don't think I'd be able to conceal it without the enigma since it allows me to ride the gun lower into the pants than what a normal holster would allow. I can deep conceal with the entire gun and spare magazine below the belt line, it looks like I'm packing a hog but no it's my micro penis and 35 rounds of 9mm. The enigma is really a must. It takes some getting used to but it's a great way to carry. >>64363593
>>64363916Your girlfriend told you to stop sneaking guns into no gun zones, man.
>>64362039you want to project to everyone how little of a tryhard you are, yeah i get it, you and the rest of 4chan
>>64363578its chunky like the rest of the old style of 'compact' pistols but its not bad at all aiwb.
>>64347857depends on what you train with, 6 or 31 rounds of anything doesn't mean shit if you can't hit a 8.5"x11" sheet. if you want a revolver, practice with it: if you want a semiautomatic, practice with it
>>643478571. Reliability above all.2. Accuracy to a point, you aren't shooting 1 moa with your Glock.3. Comfort4. Capacity...in that order.If you can shoot 3" groups at 10 yards, that's
>64349388>all of your arguments revolve around 'expected' self-defense situations.I'm willing to bet this anon's life that this all comes down to people not understanding "weighted averages" by the time they leave high school.
>>64349084>From the handguns you can draw and shoot the fastest what hits the hardest?>>64349137>The modal dgu is <3 rounds, <3 seconds, at <3yards.>>64349082>Just exactly how many rounds do you think you'll need in a civilian involved shooting?If I'm reading you all right, the ideal SD gun would be an Over/Under Rossi Brawler (.300 AAC) with a pair of 7.5-inch barrels and an overall length of 12.5". I will not require you to debate this, as I know it's late, so we'll just mark this as the ideal CCW.
>>64364044Maybe it's just what he feels the most comfortable with, and he finds he can't trust automatics, not his ability to clear malfunctions in time in life and death emergency like that.I don't share his sentiment, but I can understand it, and he's still got himself 5, 6, maybe even 7 rounds to work with anyway, so he's hardly gonna be shit out of luck if he has to draw.
>>64347922came here to say this, if you want maximum capacity you'd be using a full frame pistol, not a concealed carrythe best gun for your cc is the one you're comfortable wearing, comfortable shooting, and repeatable with. Calibre matters less than familiarity.
>>64349388it's reliable, it can hit hard and it's cheap. What more do you want?
>>64347857>carry a firearm >can't use it adequately How about you get gud nigger >>64349444nta but I carry a full size and an extra mag because it's what I am comfortable shooting (19 is too small), and I carry a spare mag because failures happen and I might need to drop the mag.
>>64356284>px4and a lot of other quality modern semiauto handguns: CZ, Walther, HK, Grand Power, Steyr for less than 500if you are patient and seek carefully, diligently for the exact pistol you want it'll come along at the right priceMany people dump a certain pistol because they switched to a different system or size/brand/caliber of gun, frequently with little to no use or carryAlways seek the pre-owned market
>>64365348>buying guns with someone else's farts on them
>>64366564Or selling a gunā¦.dont sell. Just buy another.
