Post Gear, Discuss GearModern Warfare EditionOld: >>64320594
/gq/ infographic emporium: https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6Older / other infographics: https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF>>64349710Nah man, he'll get a 4S17M and it'll either be a 10x12 on paper and actually be a 9x11 or it'll be 9lb if he goes SAPI M.The Hesco Z210 would be killer for the crotch plate role but it's pricey.
>>64349717Is it just me or does everyone look fat with a plate carrier on? Only absolute twigs don't look like they're bulging out of s these smaller carriers. If you have any kind of muscle or girth, you look like you're spilling out of them.
>>64349717Got some pretty good advice last time on helmets, need some on optics.Looking at finishing work related kit. Got armor down, helmet I'm waiting on Team Wendy to tell me if the weird holes on their specialist series helmets are made for some weird fucking proprietary rails that nobody sells before I purchase, looking at setup for my rifle.We got CCOs and ACOGs, but I hate the ACOG and our CCOs are beat to shit. I've got a PRO that apparently should be "fine", nobody is going to give a shit about it, I got a vickers sling, and swapping out furnature is acceptable so long as its Magpul. but I want a bit of range, and dont know if I go with an LPVO or flip magnifier.Have experience with LPVO's, none with magnifiers. Do I go for a matching aimpoint magnifier, or bite the bullet and get an NSN numbered LPVO? Cheapest is probably the Sig Tango6 which I can get discounted for a "fuck it why not" price, same with Aimpoint 3X.I have a bit of unspoken leeway on this shit being a part of a PSD, so if and when I show up with something not from the armory, as long as I don't draw attention I'll probably be fine.Got plenty of time to train and get good with either option, but range time with either at night under NODs is nogo, and it will be learning in the field.
>>64349937Reject the tiddy carrier, embrace full coverage.But really it's because everybody defaults to a 10x12 or SAPI M (9.5x12.5) and if you're genuinely a big guy you shouldn't be afraid to roll a SAPI L (10.25x13.25) or XL (11x14). You eat a weight penalty but there is a coverage advantage. Hell, it wasn't unheard of for people to be rolling 15x16" jumbo plates for full-torso coverage years ago.
>>6434996810x12's are the right size according to the size chart though. They go nip to nip and from my just below the collar bone to the bottom of my rib cage.
>>64349982Then it's the right size unless you're trying to deviate from the norm in terms of coverage. A BALCS-style carrier will probably contain "mass" more and provide more coverage with soft armor behind the plates.
>>64349968I'm new here. What sort of setup does this guy have? I'd also like some protection for my belly/penits
>>64350000Austrian "EKO Cobra" SOF dude. Looks like he's got a setup similar to pic rel Mehler Vario full coverage kit. MV is a German manufacturer that sells very advanced equipment, but it's costly and they do not sell to regular joes. You can replicate his setup for relatively cheap by buying IIIA pelvis and shoulder armor from Militech - Chinese but fairly cheap. Rifle rated, made-in-USA pelvis, femoral (upper leg), and shoulder armor can be had from Hoplite but it'll cost you. A newer Chinese company called Jinwudun will sell IIIA stuff for much, much cheaper but they're unproven. UARM has Level IV options in some of those categories but they're a touch sketchy as well.
>>64349968>full coverageBut the ballistic skirt is so cooler.
>>64350141Going "Jinwudun" with the Russians, I see?
>>64350152I just want to feel pretty. Is that so wong?
>>64350233dmgear wins again
>>64350281>>64350233I have come to rescue you, m'lady.
why is the gas mask infographic so shitty
>>64350609How do you propose improving it?
>>64350609Because they all are. Infographic anon doesn't have any actual real world experience and just takes the word of random posts from reddit. Honestly, most of these graphics do more harm than good p, but maintaining them seems to be the guys primary hobby so the thread just tolerates him out of a sad sense of pity.
>>64351474>out of a sad sense of pity.Pity or admiration? As with all things, the true lies somewhere in between. But you're not helping, Leon.
>>64351502Oh boo hoo. I'm just calling it out because only like two other people seem willing to. Guy is more of pain than anything, and at worse is spreading terrible info that absolutely no one should follow.
>>64349952Pro is fine. Use what you have on hand. I think you could even get away with a primary arms magnifier assuming you match the height. If you’re going magpul furniture you could also pickup an iwc forward lightmount as well. They also make a version that works
>>64349952>>64351522Works with standard drop ins*>>64349968Embrace trash. Buy flc.
>>64351515I think infographic anon is fine. His info may not be up to date or even good at times, but anyone using this thread and the content contained within as their sole source of information deserves their fate. The way I see it, it provides a baseline place to start.
>>64351540>His info may not be up to date or even good at times, but it doesn't matter because reasonsNo. Spreading shitty information is detrimental and at the very worse could actually get someone killed because they followed some shitty infographics. The worst thing is whenever someone has a question about literally anything, he sites his graphics as though they were gospel.
>>64351552>killedLol, lmao. Okay Timmy. My point still stands. Anyone blindly following “advice” on an Angolan stick weaving board deserves their fate.
>>64351515+1
>>64351578Some of these infographics go into medical treatment, if they're wrong and someone follows them then yeah, someone could potentially die. But, hey he's just having fun. No biggie.
>>64351678>get shot>“No worries, I blindly followed the infographic”What a ride that would be.
>>64351688Hey. You never know what retards are out there. How about instead of hoping the mouth breathers of the world can differentiate good from bad information, we just not deliberately spread bad information? I know, I know, I'm asking for a lot here.
>>64351552>whenever someone has a questionI have a questiin, I need a belt but don't know what and don't want to pick a belt that will get me killed, or worse. Can you tell me from your personal experience what belts you have used, cost, features that will get me shot, ect? Just 10 or 12 choices to.pick from, and with current pricing? Thanks! I really appreciate your personal expertise.
>>64351807Oh, and don't deliberately tell me to use a belt that will get me killed! Because I'm really worried someone will tell me bad information about a belt that will get me killed. Thx.
>>64351515>spreading terrible infoCan you cite specific info that is actually bad in the infographics?
>>64351792The sad reality is that there is no good information here regardless of the medium in which it’s posted. I agree with you, but I think it’s an exercise in futility. Let the anon have his fun and let’s hope it at least gets people with a baseline of competency a start in their homework.
>>64351814Remember, when whiners are called out for actual facts they will resort to name calling and distractiin. Albert Einstein. 1912
>>64351830I'm just curious. If info is actually bad in the infographics then they can be corrected. That's literally the point of them.For some reason this sad guy has derailed four or five /gq/ threads for this. Talk about rent free.
>>64351678>Some of these infographics go into medical treatment*One infographic that only says what does what and specifically advises in massive red font to TAKE CLASSES AND LEARN. The implication is that you... need to take classes.>>64351688>gets shot - in the vitals>bought quality armor from Hesco or LTC instead of Chinese white label with a cheat ring>is okdamn, tragic.>>64351812The belt could hang you on a tree if you paradrop into the Amazon but you have it around your neck for some reason. Maybe you're shaped like a pear and it rides up like Alexander the Great. /s/
>infographic anon spergs out when it's pointed out that his infographics are shitWhat is actually wrong with you?
>>64351918Please direct me to this information in the infographs that is actually incorrect, thanks.
>>64351927Just ignore it. Make improvements as necessary but I mean you do this on the side. Unless we start paying for it, those infographics don’t need to be perfect. Keep the armor autism flowing and the hell with the rest. I do need info on pistol belts. I’m thinking about doing a bianchi holster setup.
>>64351927>Just go through each infographic and one by one list what is wrong with them. No. Mostly they're outdated, filled with chink shit for no reason or outright nonsensical like your flamethrower one. I get this is your hobby and everything but holy shit. Stop getting so goddamn butt flustered every time someone is critical of your precious graphics. This is my last post on the matter, feel free to get the last word in, it seems SUPER important to you.
>>64351965>this is my last post on the matter>shits up multiple threadsDear God I hope it’s your last. You reek of Walmart security. Everything has to be super serious and accurate and spoonfed to you on a silver spoon because you’re incapable of original thought.
>>64351965>outdatedPlease direct me to what's outdated. I don't need a play by play, any infograph of your choice.>chinkshitUsually as a joke or "weird" option, but the Chinese do genuinely have good stuff like knockoff Mutant pouches and armor from Militech. You can't beat Militech's RF3 Black or RF2 SiC on value.>flamethrowerIt took me like twenty five minutes since I was interested in buying one and figured, shit, if I'm doing the comparisons myself why not make a quickie to save you guys a step?>>64351961Appreciated. I'm going to wrap up the helmet accessory infographic then maybe a bunch of quickies in a separate "Armor Files" imgur collage that go into advanced areas like NIJ 7.6.1 and NIJ 7.6.2, cheat ring and fair hit rules, then things like boron carbide amorphization (why if you're worried about tungsten threats even at standoff you REALLY don't wanna be caught dead with an LTC 28595, 28791, or other B4C-PE layup - get Silicon Carbide instead), then specific threat hierarchies by caliber or something.I'd like to do a deep dive into the NIJ 44mm BFD limit versus GOST's <22mm limit, including differences in backing materials, and see if there's empirical evidence to suggest running IIIA soft or a trauma pad behind a standalone plate dramatically improves survivability and makes it worth peoples' time versus weight, bulk, and heat drawbacks.>>64351993He reminds me ironically of the super serious fuckers on /r/qualitytacticalgear that put thousands of dollars into Hesco 4800s, GEN3 tubes, a $1,500 Ops-Core, an iray thermal for their gun, ECOTI on the tubes, because that would give them an edge in the boog. All true (well, except the 4800s) but they all dipped when the stimulus checks ran dry. Was funny.
>>64351993>Plato's Allegory of the Cave, narrated by SocratesAt least there are 2 cultured philosophers present here. The journey to enlightenment will be met with resistance by those still imprisoned by thier own untruths. Seek the light, gentle prisoners.
>>64350291>needs to take an hour to undress just to shit.
Ok, one last post. You guys are dweebs lol. Alright, back to your regularly scheduled programming of sucking each other's micropenis.
>>64352124>dweebsGuilty as charged. We can agree on that one.
>>64352124>one last post>this time I mean it>I'll never hit you again
>>64352124>one last postSee you tomorrow anon.
>>64352071The existential and absurd are my guilty pleasures. Just like trash sniping.
Welp, time to bust out Jobbloc.
>>64352175I’m going to use this to sell 20 dcu griple mag pouches.
>>64352199>to hell with the white van speaker scam, we've got white van mag pouches.I was hoping to see you actually make them into a cape.
>>64352175So what's considered a higher quality set of gloves? I have some Mechanix gloves but I feel like they aren't the best
>>64352240I wear mechanix too and haven't had any issues. It's a wear item so I don't see the point in blowing big bucks on an "upgrade" - have you tried the magpul ones?
>>64352220I did connect them all but it turned into an overly hefty burlap sheet. I may figure out a use for them all. One is a legitimate biohazard and needs to be less bloody. Going to the thrift store later for a project later. Cheaper than buying surplus parkas.
>>64352254>One is a legitimate biohazard and needs to be less bloodyYou ever wonder about how surplus gear ended up like that? I think about that sometimes with some of mine. My LA-12 GLIS is a bit scuffed.
>>64352272>google.com>how to remove large bloodstains from dcuI’m just hoping the third batch of flc pouches arent this way. Despite being kind of shit, the flc doubles work very well as singles for both 30 and 20 rd mags.
>>64352291UCP* well I dun fucked that up but you dig
>>64352291>seltzer water and lemon juice for blood, or wear redtrash sniper exposed, laundromat on Kensington Ave, 2025, colorized.
>>64352304Dye it red. Alpenflage we have at home. I found a green leopard shawl at a yard sale that resembles berezhka. More to come.
>>64352333trips checked we're inventing crimson UCP over here, gonna be like red tiger stripe from MW2.
Gloves for doing stuff outside when it's cold but not tactical ones and not leather ones?[spoiler]what if am poorfag?[/spoiler]
>>64352630how cold?
>>64352630>not leatherWhy? Get leather gloves from your local hardware store and call it a day.
Alright, 1.00 initial version of the Helmet Accessory Infograph.
>>64352254>One is a legitimate biohazard and needs to be less bloodyyeah, I got a helmet cover like that once. needles to say, I didn't use it. It wasn't the right size anyway.
>>64352819up to -10°C or more often -5°C>>64352857because I already have a tactical pair and a leather fashionable pair and a few work pairs
>>64353068>helmet cover>covered in bloodbruh
>>64353047>a haikuBuy ach in fall Saw makes noisePray on ballistic rating
>>64353047>cat earsThis is why you get shit on
>>64353069I like surplus glove liners, but if you don't want tactical or leather it sound like you should just go to the store and buy a pair of winter gloves.
>>64353083purchase dragonskinsee cert is suspended nowwaste five grand today
>>64353108I am only including the >>64350233 in this infograph.
elll yaaa boiiii
>>64353069>I already have a few pairs of glovesJesus, we're now at the point where people are "consooming" gloves for their backyard.
now u americans see truth. you buy shit to buy shit. u get endorphin when underpaid amazon delivery driver limp his way to ur door. u get horny when u see package. u open package. u no longer horny u disappoint. u buy groves and when no longer excited when u get gloves u buy more gloves. u think this fashion runway this is strip mall get job. care for your family ur children starving in basement while u look at gloves like 20-something neet look at porno.
>>64353186Most people cannot afford a $1,000 emergency expense. You ever wonder why?
>>64353186>>64353277>you can't spend 5-20$ of disposable income on a pair of gloves because uhhhhh..... you just can't okay????
>>64353387>It's not just the gloves... it's the socks, and the boots... and the doordash... and the limited edition kommandostore alpenflage poncho...It adds up man.
>>64353431>it's the socks, and the bootsbased and worth spending money on>the glovesuseful and can be gotten for less>and the doordash.I am not a retarded retard>and the limited edition kommandostore alpenflage poncho...they have some cool stuff and a lot of overpriced stuff
>>64353478>doordashAre you sure you don't want to spend $22.91 on a $10 burger?
>>64353612nta, I have used doordash once in my life and decided the price of delivery was not at all worth it. I don't get how other people use it for every single meal or when they have people shop for them.
>>64353633neetbux gets people a long way. Speaking of poverty, new product drop for /pfg/. Binock came out with a new wide-FOV lens for NVG30 / NVG50 that is 55 degrees FOV versus the old 50. Peoplel have adapted the old one to the Nvg3rd but it doesn't fit out of box. I think the GNG2K will be able to fit it but not positive.https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256809160508164.html
>>64353387When someone says they already have MULTIPLE pairs of gloves and are asking for more for no reason, that is consumerism. That's basically an alcohol addiction.
>>64353980Nail on head. Only exception is if they genuinely blow through them from wear / tear, but that's like blowing through .04 plates because you keep diving on them. Most people don't do that.
>>64349717I got Sordin SFAs because I wanted a fancy tactical headset with a cheekweld cut and the highest NRR possible. They are nice, but you would think the headband and connectors would be better than $25 Peltors that cost 15 times less.
I need a way to run walkers with a low cut helmet other than wearing the band and taking the pads out. Gonna buy 4D pads.
What does dipshit look like he's wearing here?
New drop. Radtel RT-950 PRO, $97 radio capable of TX/RX on 11M, 6M, 2M, and 70cm bands. Massive Rx range but it's reportedly deaf in the longwave / medium wave ranges.Due to FCC license-by-rule and power regulations, this is not kosher for CB operation. It seems to be more addressed to freebanding rebels who would also like to intercom with local baofengs. USB-C charging. Battery is only 2600mAh but if you wire in from a battery pack runtime shouldn't be an issue. 10W nominal.
>>64353047PLEASE STOP MAKING THESE
>>64355146no
bros, I recently noticed the police/ICE/DHS/law enforcement/whatever tend to wear dual-filter gas masks, but with only one filter attached. Why is that? Surely it's not a budget issue, looking at all their other shit. Also I've never been a stickler for uniform regs, but holy hell can these people at least TRY to get some standardization going? They look worse than airsofters.
>>64355191>but with only one filter attached. Why is that?probably so they can shoulder their rifles
>>64355191>standardizationA lot of them do. You just chose a picture where they don't.
>>64355191Couple of potential reasons.1. Double the filters attached means double the filters used. This means they need double the stockpile that needs to be rotated every so often. Logistical burden.2. They aren't exposing themselves to chemical agents long enough, concentrated enough, or potent enough to require two CAP1 filters. They have initiative and can retreat to swap filters if they need to. 3. Weight.
I think this guy forgot something.
>>64355239What did he forget?
>>64354608a hood
>>64355252he left his NV mount on but he has no NV, no bridge, no nothing.
>>64355258>NVIt looks pretty sunny in that picture to me.
>>64355265yeah but why's he got a mount and nobuddy else does, eh vinny?
>>64355258That's when the South Korea special forces from a martial law incident that they had 10 months ago. Why are you lying?
for an apocalypse scenario, how valuable would this shit be
>>64355309Well you could keep the fish tank running no?
>>64355281Listen Tone, they just forget to take off some of their toys sometimes!
>>64355299they're goggles that could'a have gonna to ice bridge man vinny! Shaddafuck up i ain't lyin to nobody. Bitch ya need a bulletproof diaper for all that shit you're spewing. fuggoff! >>64355330toys like ya mudda's?
>>64355342You leave muh ma outta dis!
>>64352254Which one?
>>64355258I've never tried it, but I wouldn't be surprised if its a lot easier to attach a bridge to a mount with the helmet on than it is to attach the mount to the shroud with a helmet on, especially with a respirator. At least with the arm folded down you could kinda see what you were doing.
Been filling out my new p83 chest rig recently, currently just need to get some nitrile gloves and wait for the combat gauze and fancy balaclava to come in. In terms of longterm plans, I might add some molle at the sides so i can put the TQ on the ouside of the main medical pouch and throw a multitool or something on the other side, might even put a carabiner on one of the loops to hold my gloves
>>64355606also, before anyone says anything, I will be taking the packaging off the TQ soon, just need some rubber bands to keep it together
>>64353980>and are asking for more for no reasonthe reason is that I want some different onesI'm not buying for the sake of buying but for the sake of using in specific cases where I wouldn't want to use other pairs
>>64353047>didn't mention neck training to carry all this bullshit on your headdude
Does anyone have a link to a good gear discord or similar? I want to buy an MSA Millennium faceshield but they're like $100 everywhere that still has them in stock.
>>64354622$60 on AliExpress. Interesting SpecAn, cloning and location sharing features. Carted, but not purchased. I had to create an AliExpress account and will.warn.up to the ideaof completing my purchase in time. Maybe.
>>64356261That's with the first time buyer discount. The HT came out like two weeks ago so it's still fairly untested. 6 and 11 meter (think it could be jailbroken to 10?) plus 2 and 70cm is enticing and gives the Magnum 1012 a run for its money.This is 200% larp, but if they come out with an AES-256 / P-25 version with 11, 10, 6, 2, 70cm Tx I could see it being a major contender in the tac radio space.
>>64356274>AES-256 / P-25 version with 11, 10, 6, 2, 70cm Tx I could see it being a major contenderata in the tac radio space.RT7000. It's a panel mount, but hey, Ihave room in my truck. 29.7 - 960 MHz AM/FM P-25. That said, there may be certain frequencies denied due to design (flaws). https://www.canyonaeroconnect.com/product/rt7000/The handytalky is attractive, but I already doubt thier spec compliance, without even seeing them
>>64356446Very enticing. I'll wait some time for new reviews on this HT and if there's no further red flags I'll buy and report back. Plan is double radio setup with my UV-25D and keep the RT-950 on 11 and 6.
>>64351814>Doesn’t even mention Orion beltYet you’re suggesting slop like HSGI?
>>64356571That Orion belt does look rather nice, thanks. >HSGIWhat's wrong with the Tacos?
>>64355746>Recommend me new gloves for the backyard, I already have a bunch, don't recommend me tactical gloves or leatherYou're asking because you're addicted to buying things.
>>64352630Just buy the cheapest warm pair at tractor supply and stop having autism.
Anyone have a particular brand of sandals (with heel & ankle strap) they like? I have some Teva’s that I like hiking in, but find the toe strap and buckle can chaff the tops of my feet, the traction can be sub par, and occasionally I’ll stub my toe. But in Southern Appalachia, I’d much rather have light feet and the ability to drain water. Couple weeks ago I was in a saddle and a heavy rainstorm parked itself between the mountains. While I was soaked to the bone it was nice not having that bulk on my feet and they dried out pretty quickly.
How the FUCK is it that literally nobody can make kneepads that stay in place?Is the solution the pads that slide into pockets over your knee?Nobody's even embarrassed to wear "kneepads" around their ankles, or sideways.
>>64357656Might as well go with the boot-to-knee variety used for riots if we're accepting this level of jank. I do wonder about the sliding issue for the IIIA leg protectors used by the shield man in some SWAT teams.
>>64357656They do this on purpose because it's more comfortable, retard. You pull them back up when you actually need them.And yea, every single competent person uses kneepads that velcro into your pants in 2025.
>>64355612What are you talking about, dumbass? The CAT7 is all velcro and sticks to itself. What rubber bands? Also, that's not nearly enough gauze for anything.Stop buying shit and get a STB class, you're clearly way out of your depth.
>>64358030you use rubber bands to keep it from unfolding in storage.
>>64358053To aliexpress, you must go. Acquire more gauze for bargain prices, you must.
>>64358030The rubber band is keep everything tight while in the larger pouch, literally just a small QOL thing, i don't know why that made you sperg outAlso, I clearly stated that I'm waiting for some quikclot to come in, so complaining about the amount of gauze in an unfinished medical pouch seems kinda retarded
>>64358119Don't sweat it, some people here are on short fuzes lately and need to spend their weekend yelling at people on a basketweaving forum.
>>64358020> They do this on purpose because it's more comfortablelol, noThose damn things slide and shift around like crazy. It's not a comfort issue, obviously.
>>64358020>>64358030This nigga seems angry. Reminds me of the Agilite rep when people were calling out their fake reviews. Everybody was "retard" and "dumbass" and then this dude was like, "I'm gonna sue you, I'm gonna sue 4chan!" lmao
>>64358234>I'm gonna sue 4chan!lol, RMA tried to do this same thing but with posters on ARFCOM. Case was dismissed for obvious reasons.
>>64358234Please tell me someone has screenshots of this
>>64358268NTA, I'll hit up desuarchive and see if O can track this down later today
>>64358257lol, that's so on-brand for RMA it's not even funny
>>64358610Man, I remember twelve years ago when they got into a royal pissing match with Infidel Armor (which sold steel plates) and had a whole deboonking page on their site.My favorite is that by their admission, as of 2013, RMA no longer sold plates using imported materials. Like, great.
Oh that's lovely, Desuarchive is down. They gotta get a new toaster.
>>64358708it's back
>>64358746Thanks. Image showing RMA Armament v. John Doe I and John Doe II, dismissed 2017. (I'm lazy).https://desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/k/image/1676/84/1676842467496.pngAnd here is the "SEE YOU IN COURT" Agilite blowout.https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/54550299
>>64358792kek
>>64358850You probably wouldn't be, but I think a lot of people would be surprised just how REPPED /k/ is. We had Apex Armor here, we had two guys who fanboyed the hell out of Adept here, RMA's community dude admits he goes here sometimes, and I'm like 75% sure the dude from Gilliam Technical Services lurked here judging by how he went swinging against Buffman on reddit and (impliedly) attacked Highcom's nominal sizing chicanery in one of his articles.But that's the "tac gear" world in general. We do't get it as bad as other places.
>>64359080> I'm like 75% sure the dude from Gilliam Technical Services lurked here judging by how he went swinging against Buffman on reddit and (impliedly) attacked Highcom's nominal sizing chicanery in one of his articles.WTF happened there?
>>64358850Those Agilite faggots are up to 4375 fake reviews. Meanwhile the most meme carriers in the business, like the Spiritus LV119, has only 53 reviews. The most-reviewed carrier on Amazon, a $35 Yakeda, has less than 2000 reviews. Damn, these guys at Agilite must think everybody is retarded.
>>64359410It's been deleted, but he got into a back and forth with Buff on reddit as to academic AP differences between M855 vs M855A1 or something else really goofy.Mr. Gilliam blogs on his site here: https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/blogs/armor-plate-blogSome of the articles are good, others okay. I can tell when he's jabbing at various competitors without naming names. He's in a weird bracket of "alt-alt" armor. No NIJ certs, no testing by Buff or other youtubers (the "NIJ substitute" alt-armor guys like Adept / RMA / Stealth Armor / Militech use), no nothing except a really janky set of test reports and a product lineup that changes monthly. Other "alt-alt armor" guys are Jinwudun and American Blast Ass. Not a great crowd.His Model 8002, rated for M993, is interesting and only $250 / 1.05" thick / 7.5lb, but there's no hard support for those claims. If it worked it would mog the Hesco 4403, but does it work?
>>64359443>$35 YakedaDon't you dare insult the standard issue Antifa platecarrier like that. Just because the stitching blew out on the STREETS OF PORTLAND from three promags and a pair of RMA 1155s DOES NOT mean they are incapable of fighting... fascism! rawr!
>>64359410> Highcom's nominal sizing chicaneryIn all seriousness this is pretty brazen, too. Almost Agilite-tier. "Uh it's 10x12 Shooter's Cut! Ackshually that's nominal, it's a bit smaller, like 9.5x11.5". Uh well, you see, for us 'nominal 10x12' can mean 9x11"! That's how our 10x12 plates are lighter than our SAPI S plates. . ."
Assuming both companies are certified or whatever, is there any real difference in buying cheap level whatever plates from company A vs expensive ones from company B?
>>64359467The blog is ChatGPT sloppa. I'd bet big money that GPT-4o free tier wrote this:https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/blogs/armor-plate-blog/the-durability-of-alumina-ballistic-ceramic-and-its-challenges-with-tungsten-core-projectiles> His Model 8002, rated for M993, is interesting and only $250 / 1.05" thick / 7.5lb, but there's no hard support for those claims. If it worked it would mog the Hesco 4403, but does it work?The product page and test reports don't say anything about M993. Also the test report is pretty ugly. Two shots but the first is 40mm BFD and the second is over the limit. Anyway it seems retarded to buy discount-tier armor that's literally made by some dude in his garage.
>>64359476Don't forget Highcum is the only mfg whose swimmer cut actually weighs more than their shooters. The swimmer 10x12 is actually 10x12 (swimmer is a SOCOM spec and not just madethefuckup) while shooters cut can mean anything and the 10x12 is indeed... 9x11. Good going highcum.Shotstop did something similar with huge +- variance on both weight and thickness specs. Chinese-import fake NIJ label shitlords passing off mystery meat as Tencate.RMA has pretty serious variances on the XRT too. The shooters (10x12 nominal!) is 5.3lb, SAPI M 9.5x12.5... 5.9lb. Size and weight are +-0.2 all dimensions. Yes the shooters has more corner cutting, but that's a major weight difference.
>>64359502Weight, specs, curvature, size, whatever. There can be lots of differences between plates that go beyond price.
>>64359502Yes, major differences. Weight, thickness, multi hit capacity, special threat testing beyond NIJ specs, reputation and quality control of mfg B, amount of headroom over listed specs, actually having edge to edge coverage (*cough* RMA cheat ringed 1189 / 1199 G1 *cough*).>>64359507Well it's just one guy in his garage, you can't expect him to run an armor company, slap the import ceramic together with the chinese PE, and blog at the same time. Too much for Mr. Incredible!>8002Brought up here: https://gilliamtechnicalservices.com/collections/rf3_armor_0101-07_nij-level-4?>For reliable defense against the M993 and heavy tungsten projectiles, choose Model 8002. For standard RF3 resistance against RF1, RF2 and RF3 threats, choose any of our RF3 alumina plates.I did see the 8002 sucks balls in the BFD department as well. I think it's thin on the backer (kinda like the RMA XRT).
>64359531Forgot to mention this in this post, but if you want a tell tale sign there's something fucky, look to overgeneralized statements. Apex said the LTC 28601 is good for any tungsten core AP below .50 BMG. It's only rated for M993. AR500 also at one point rated their steel III+ for 7.62x51mm "Black Tip" - what black tip? M80 with a sharpie, or actual AP like M61 / P80 / M2AP reloads? Similarly, Gilliam says the 8002 is good for M993 AND "heavy tungsten projectiles" - what does that mean? Swiss P AP, 7.62x54mmR 7N37 / 7N51, AP11 LR, DM151, all heavier than M993 so it must surely be them. Or maybe the .338 APs like AP529! Nobody knows! All we know is that the plate is already at 39mm BFD fresh against M2AP, so how the hell is it supposed to handle Swiss P?
Just came across another newcomer to armor.May I introduce the new shady armor company of the week... Mjolner Systems! (not Mjolnir...)>Before Mjolner, we were end users of ballistic PPE ourselves. We relied on this critical component of our kit in real-world environments, where compromise is not an option. That experience drives our philosophy today: we do not tolerate gear that “copes” with threats.>copes>As a Material Science Disruptor, we innovate relentlessly to deliver next generation material technologies to our customers in executing their most challenging missions. Our R&D is not an afterthought- it is the core of everything we do.>We don’t just manufacture ballistic products. We engineer protection.So you can't buy anything from them yet, it's all "deploying" in 2026. Red flag #1. First off, their Mk1 helmet is rated to NIJ 0101.07 RF2 and VPAM PM-8, so 7.62x51mm M80 / 5.56 M855 / M193 AND 7.62x39mm BZ API, all under 3.3lb AND "poing blank BFD< 15mm.">poingA special order version rated to NIJ IV / VPAM PM-10 (3x B-32 API) under 4.18lb will also be available in Q4 2026, plus a SLAAP-esque plate to boost the BZ API Mk1 to Level IV for 0.55lb.>this is technically impossible given current materials but ok>now what about body armor?In Q1 2026, their new RF3+ plate will reach OPERATIONAL MATURITY. 0.6" thick, standalone, under 4.4lb, full protection against 7.62x51mm M993. Their technology to pull this off?>COMING NEXT WEEK(don't ask how they solved the boron carbide amorphization problem)
>>64355191So it doesn't hit the rifle stock. Cheek weld.
>>64359735lmao, that's not even a real pic, it's a rendering. > Their technology to pull this off?Assuming it's not a joke, I think they are combining RMA and Highcom's technologies. Make it a 9x11" plate and give it a 1" cheat ring. 7x9".> helmetYeah, this is the tell that it's all bullshit. The plate claim is "possible" if you're shady and maximize dirty tricks, the helmet claims are just physically impossible.It's all somebody's idea of a joke, for sure.>>64359576> Similarly, Gilliam says the 8002 is good for M993 AND "heavy tungsten projectiles" He doesn't actually say that, though. He implies that the 8002 MIGHT work, not that he ever tested it or that it's going to work, lol. Just like, "hey *takes sip from can of Monster Zero*. they say this stuff works better against tungsten rounds, so it'll be your best bet if you're up against them." If you get killed, he has plausible deniability.Also, on that note, it's a MASSIVE red flag that he picked a fight with Buffman.
>>64358053You've never handled a CAT, have you?>>64358119You have no idea what you are doing at all, it's painfully evident. Why in the world would you put a RUBBER BAND on a tourniquet, adding an extra step in deploying it? How will you get the rubber band off if you need to apply the tourniquet one handed? You're supposed to stage the TQ so it comes out of the pouch in a loop, ready to be put on. Get a STB/TCCC class before you buy anything else. I'm saying this with your best interest at heart.
>>64360719>You have no idea what you are doing at all, it's painfully evident.I've learned through my years on this mongolion basket-weaving forum that the people who have spergouts and can't go a single reply without calling someone a retard tend to just be shit-flingers who will argue regardless of any scenario>Why in the world would you put a RUBBER BAND on a tourniquet, adding an extra step in deploying it?Quite literally answered this in the post you replied to, it's this kinda shit that leads me to think you're just a ragebaiting shitskin>How will you get the rubber band off if you need to apply the tourniquet one handed? You're supposed to stage the TQ so it comes out of the pouch in a loop, ready to be put on.Teeth are an option, it's not like rubber bands are particularly hard to break. It'll be a simpler deployment once I add the molle to the sides and throw on a dedicated TQ pouch>Get a STB/TCCC class before you buy anything else. I'm saying this with your best interest at heart.We get it you whiny faggot, you took exactly one stop the bleed course and are now a licensed physician, would you like your cookie now or after you jerk yourself off again
>>64360661>For reliable defense against the M993 and heavy tungsten projectiles, choose Model 8002>reliable defenseThe issue is that no velocity is given, but reliable defense implies no standoff or special conditions. He doesn't say it on the actual product page but he does say it in his Level IV guide.>MjolnerIMO, it's a Diamond Age style hype company with a mix of Rook. Massive claims and not a whole lot of delivery. They state elsewhere on their site that their plates have full coverage, so maybe a dash of "old school RMA" in there too. Also their site just went down. Huh.https://www.mjolnersystems.com/>Wix
>>64360926> The issue is that no velocity is given, but reliable defense implies no standoff or special conditions. He doesn't say it on the actual product page but he does say it in his Level IV guide.With no test report and him going out of his way to beef with Buffman, he's probably just making shit up, lol. Same goes for "Mjolner". Their helmet claims are not physically possible, and their plate claims are only possible if they cheat, so it's all bullshit for sure.
>>64360972I get the isolated issue of beefing with Buffman, his credibility took a heavy hit after the 4SUS4 debacle and the cheap armor market is oversaturated, so there's no room for Gilliam unless he fights for a space against cheap Highcoms and RMA - attack RMA by attacking Buff who stans for them regularly.The problem is that he has no NIJ certs, so he needs youtubers to get any kind of credibility because his test reports are a mess. He alienated the largest armor youtuber that "alt-armor" guys go to when they either are afraid of NIJ or don't want to put up numerous samples for NIJ cert.>MjolnerWell their website, which has been registered since August 2024, just went down in the hours after they got called out on a basketweaving forum, so I definitely agree something was up. The guy in charge was a Kevin Yu going off their linkedin. Seems to be part of an investment fund.
>>64357593Ask /out/ for that hippy shitSandals are not combat approved
>>64357656Arcteryx Kneecaps>>64354033>Thinking anything sordin will be niceTricked yourself
>>64361621Should make a dropleg holster for the shotty and ditch the pistol
>>64361621>ScarCool>In 5.56I wished I had some of some of that mossad money you're rolling with to justify paying $3500 just to be different than an AR15
>>64361621>dtsYou going /fa/ on us?
>>64361655>Ditching a pistol for a 3 shot breaching shotgunBad idea>Dropleg shotgunFantastic idea>>643616705.56 SCAR is real cool desu
>>64361707What use do pistols really get anyway?Shotty can handle itAnd Scar may be cool, even worth it for .308, but what does it offer over a $2000 AR-15?
>>64361707Does the double barrel weigh significantly more than the super shorty?If not I would trade that 3rd round in the pump for the double trigger in the break action
>>64361772>What use do pistols really get anyway?Interior of structures/tight fighting? Extremely useful. Getting shot in the rifle is a lot more common than you'd think and your rifle might just choke on something stupid. Ive seen perfectly fine rifles get like a random piece of a breaching charge inside the ejection port and lock up entirely.Exterior and inna bush? Probably ditch it unless you have an open bolt or similar crew served.>Scar over $2000 ARHaving owned all of them (416D, Modern 416, SR15, BCM, various partsbuild fancy ARs, SCARs) the SCAR is the only one I end up coming back to for the most part. The reliability is quite fantastic and the recoil impulse has a heavy forward stroke which drives the muzzle down and makes it easier to recover shots when moving or off balance.And it folds, who doesnt like folding?>>64361791The double barrel is mostly for shooting snakes im going to be honest with you. From a breaching standpoint its too wide unless youre firing it sideways or stood way too far off the handleset. Im only carrying the shotgun to breach doors.Weight wise the double barrel probably marginally heavier.>>64361692Honestly works well in the fall tbqh
>>64355550Not pictured. I didn’t end up going to the thrift store at planned. Ended up buying a succulent Chinese meal instead. Cheap bastards didn’t even give me a fortune cookie.
>>64361870>Cheap bastards didn’t even give me a fortune cookie.These bug people sure are getting uppity lately
>>64361884I’ll get my fortune cookie one way or another. With Halloween candy prices the way they are, im just going to bulk order fortune cookies and hand those out.
>>64361907I'd say bulk order on Alibaba but I'd be afraid of lead paint and gutter oil. Stay domestic.
>>64361853>works well in the fallMe too, jez joshin' ya. We're all friends here, 'cept Mr. Tighty "infografix scorn" Whitey
>>64362076listen here u fkker no more infographics. No more. We must be cavemen and return to verbal communication. No more infographics. No more discord. We talk on teamspeak and battlefield 2 side chat. You will buy JPC 2.0 and multicam pajamas and an ACH GEN2 and a GEN2+ I2 with at least 2000 FOM and a guyselle AR and an Iray RH25V2 and you vill be happy and incredibly, incredibly poor.
>>64362099I'm sign languaging my reply now. Meanwhile, have another.
>>64362110All of this means nothing. Your drones and thermals and stupid plates (fuk why does that guy have sebanteen infographics on sappy plates) mean nothing. You all mean nothing.The only infographic a man needs is how to make weapons grade plutonium out of common household chemicals. Become ungovernable.
>>64362122Redflagged. You are a detriment to society.
>>64362131I am society.
>>64362138Not polite society. You are not invited into the bunker.
>>6436212216! I don't maintain 17 armor-related infographics... today.>>64362146We have a bunker?
>>64362160Of course. My studio has a walk-in closet.
>>64362165Oh good. I was worried I'd have to manifest a bunker out of discount Jinwudun composite panels and Genuine Bulletproof Concrete Store concrete using an infographic or whatever that guy thinks I do.
Is it normal to wear a rig+carrier? Bought a rig ages ago that I never really used and need a reason to still have it
>>64362177A bunker graphic would be great!
>>64362285>need a reason to still have itGet a wife, make a baby. You'll have a reason.
>>64362288>there is no escapeI'll... look into it after the 17th armor infographic, which, based on the number of anons asking questions, will be... extremity armor!>>64362285Surprisingly common if you mean chest rig over slick carrier. Benefits are that your setup is flexible and you can lose the rig or your armor based on the situation.
>>64362288Include osha 1910.146 & assp z117.1 among others
>>64360918>Teeth are an optionYou are absolutely retarded and I am done trying to explain things to you. >We get it you whiny faggot, you took exactly one stop the bleed course and are now a licensed physicianI am a paramedic, not that it matters.
>>64362489I will include those, NIJ 0108.01, and UL 752. It'll be half bunker half fortified facility infographic, maybe.I see now that this entire thing has basically been a grand tour of the NIJ armor standards. Body armor, 0101.06, helmets, 0106.01, shields, 0108.01, and now 0108.01 again and finally finishing up with 0115.00 - stab protection. 0115 will feature in the extremity armor infographic but more prominently in the eventual mall ninja infographic discussed like two threads ago.>>64362293Based dad advice anon.
>>64361621Shot to death in sleeping bag/10
>>64361884Damn straight. Genuine bulletproof equipment store wants $300 for a pair of IIIA arm protectors. What makes them think they can charge double Jinwudun money?
Another relatively new radio, the RT-880 from Radtel. Unlike the RT-950, it boasts full Tx/Rx from 18-32MHz, so it has 10 through 17 meter plus 11-meter CB. This means it has full upper / lower sideband CB, also known as freeband, as well.
>>64364332>RT-880 from Radtel.What am I seeing here?
>>64364408It supports USB-C for both programming and external power.
>>64364424I meant the D style 13 contacts. What mic/spkr interfarce is that?
We have a new member of the SAPI family - courtesy of Hardwire and Leading Technology Composites. Introducing... for the third (for real!) this time... LSAPI!>LSAPI plates are approximately 30% lighter than the current Enhanced Small Arms Protective Insert (ESAPI) Generation III, reducing the Soldier’s combat load while maintaining ballistic protection.For those unfamiliar, GEN III ESAPI is the swimmer-cut VTP version. 5lb for a size medium, raised BFD limit to ~58-62mm versus REV. J <44mm. Threat level remains 3x M2AP or 3x M995 respectively at 2,850ft/s and 3,350ft/s +-50. This LSAPI cuts 30% weight off while "maintaining ballistic protection" - I don't think that's accurate because that puts this plate at 3.5lb for nu-SAPI M and 3x M2AP / 3x M995 defeat at that weight is impossible, even with raised BFD limit. What this does seem to closely line up with is the new USMC Lightweight Plate (SAPI-L aka USMC LITE), which is 3.4lb non-standalone protection against 7.62x51mm M80 and 5.56x45mm M855A1. Add soft armor and you're right up with the VelSys PBZSA / LTC 28791 in terms of weight. Per unit, this LSAPI is only about $900 each across 72,179 units so it isn't a ballbustingly state of the art plate. It's like a cheaper ICW LTC 28791 with a raised BFD limit.
>>64364484Motorola GP328 by the looks of it.
>>64364589Thx. I'll pursue that.
>>64364613Glad to help. I'm liking the idea of this RT-880 so far. It seems their naming convention takes a page out of some armor manufacturers' books and the lower number is the higher-end model going off of prices.It has the ability to pop the middle knob on top off and run a shortwave donut antenna for better shortwave Rx.
I'm in a copypasta type'a mood. Two more members of the VTP family from a 2024 congressional hearing. The OG original SAPI from 1998 is back, this time as a VTP version with a raised BFD limit and hopefully modernized materials. My guess is ~2.9lb ICW, weight not counting soft armor, M80 + M193 + M855 + 7.62x54R LPS (this one at reduced velocity), so you're saving 0.6lb versus LSAPI.Also available is an all-PE ULWSAPI (ultra lightweight), which if I had to guess is probably like a Hesco 3801LV but again with raised BFD limit and the VTP cut. Best guess is a pound flat.So the current US plate hierarchy as of Sept 2025 is:1. VTP ULWSAPI - 7.62x39 MSC / 7.62x51mm M80 @ ~1lb ICW soft armor.2. VTP SAPI - 5.56x45 M855 / M193 / M80 / 7.62x54R LPS @ 2.9lb ICW soft armor.3. VTP LSAPI - adds M855A1 to above and likely BZ API @ 3.5lb ICW.4. VTP ESAPI - 3x .30-06 M2AP / 5.56x45mm M995 @ 5lb ICW.5. VTP XSAPI - 3x 7.62x51mm M993 / 5.56x45mm M995 @ 5.58lb ICW.Note that there is no known VTP XSAPI model that passes mil FAT testing. The acceptable weight target in pic related is tight for that kind of protection.
>64364719And pic related here is the current Russian plate hierarchy as of Sept 2025.
>>64355258this is what happens when autistic teenagers think reading a lot of 4channel is a substitute for knowing what they're talking about but just look stupid and then try to dig their way out
>>64361621>Fixed blade on the beltJust carry a pocket knife and stop pretending you’re going to do something other than slicing sausages up with it. Yes you should not baton wood either.
>>64365606That's what my multi tool is for. I need the kmife if I'm going to finish my Salad Snack cosplay.
>>64365606It looks like a 4 inch blade, you're acting like he's carrying a Rambo knifeYes anything he does with it could be done with a pocket knife, but also anything done with a pocket knife could be done with a small fixed blade, so he's just freeing up pocket space
>>64363448>Dying cozyBased , thanks>>64365606>Please carry a folder and not a 2.6" utility knifeShut up.
>>64366424>paint ball residueAll this time...
>>64366435u americans spend gear money on paintball toys. I laugh at u wasting this y u in debbt patetic
>>64366435Should be paying attention to where the rounds are landing on the plates tbqhfamalam
>>64366435The gun has a simunition slide you fucking noguns. No fucking shit there are paint hits.
>>64367260Makes a compelling argument for the old SOCOM medium-long plate size.
>>64367283I wish we could do simunition here in the US. Would be fun. Though need to inspect every single mag to make sure there are no chances of disastrous mistake.
>>64367324Not the conclusion I was hoping for from you but good try.>>64367347>here in the USAnon I....>Inspect magsGood policy but sim bolts/slides reject live ammo
>>64367355>Anon I....Speak, wizard.
>>64367355Doesn't look like it would be a fair hit on a 10x12. Sure hope it isn't an older RMA in play.
>>64351528Unironically thinking about buying an FLC and some IDOGEAR GP pouches to make a quick and dirty rig for my turkshit magfed shotgun. If I run four across then I should be able to fit eight 10 round magazines. Counterbalance with 3L bladder on the back because this sucker is gonna be front heavy.
>>64367459>Turkshit shotgunHonestly dont need LBE, it wont work for long enough for you to need that.>>64367372What makes you think you cant have simmunitions in the US?>>64367412Most people see the gun as the threat, then fail to apply height over bore offsets and end up shooting directly in the center of the plate >What about this edge hit!What about all the misses that didnt end up on my plates or even on my body?
>>64367604>TurkshitTo be fair, I've got a VRPA-40 with more than 1,000 shells through it and it still works great. Obviously I won the turkshit quality lottery so jury is out on whether that's repeatable.>end up shooting directly in the center of the plateWhich is technically the weakest part of an honestly built edge-to-edge coverage plate if we account for crack propagation and "fair hit" shot spacing requirements. That's where the RMA 1155 in pic rel gave out.>What about all the misses that didnt end up on my platesHopefully got eaten by other armor, cover, or struck something that can be medically attended to unlike pneumothorax / direct CNS / heart hits. My point stands that the bottom hit is outside the 6x8" fair hit box assuming you wear a 10x12 and an NIJ-spec plate is not technically required to stop that one, so if you were wearing an RMA 1189 or similar you'd likely be FUBAR'd on that one. Nobody likes cheat ringed plates.>or even on my bodyyay!
>>64367604>What makes you think you cant have simmunitions in the US?I recall they were banned until very recently.
Also, food for thought, pic rel is the shot spacing requirement for early US ESAPI plates (2007). Shot one of .30-06 M2AP must be between 0.75-1.25" from any edge, then shots 2 and 3 must be six inches from the preceding hit. On the contrary, NIJ Level IV is ordinarily a one hit requirement but can go up to six per plate per the manufacturer's specification upon submission for NIJ cert. If a plate is subjected to a multi-hit NIJ Level IV regimen then the shot spacing requirement is minimum 2" like lower levels within 6x8" fair hit zone. Not required to stop hits up to 2" from edges. The benefit of doing this is that it reduces the number of samples required for NIJ cert. Downside is that the plate is either going to eat a weight penalty and/or you gotta cheese and use either a ceramic tile array (RMA 1189), which necessitates a cheat ring or extreme weight, or pellet layup (LIBA) which results in gaps between ceramic pellets that can be snuck through by small penetrators (M855).
hi /k/, yay or nay for this plate carrier?https://shadowstrategic.com/products/081-coming-soon?variant=54019682795865t. swedish femboy forest-gnome-larper
