By far the best bullpup to date
What about FAMAS?
That's not a high bar though. I don't know of a single person that would pick an AUG over an AR if your life depended on it in an active combat zone. It's a novelty gun.
Easily the coolest, therefore the best>>64351484Every gun that isn't a carry piece or a hunting gun kept strictly for subsistence is a novelty gun
>>64351484I know several people, family and friends both, who are current or former ADF and they all swear by it. The general consensus regarding American arguments about ergonomics and whatnot is "Get the fuck over it and train with it".
>>64351435Not really. Still uses a progressive trigger and the mag release is still way back and hard to reach.Also by design it's a universal infantry weapon system, which usually requires compromises to the demerit of overall functionality.
>>64351435its beem made by an old company of fine hunting rifle makers.and it shows.the whole thing is like a short stutzen, sleek, every possible edge rounded, few metal parts exposed. silent and no hooking. point of weight is backwards, it drops very naturally&quickly on the shoulder when pickup&aim.
>>64351435Not the prettiest
>>64352324That's a sniper
>>64351435That’s not the VHS
>>64353467Did Springfield ever import the original, more FAMAS-looking one? I've never seen one on the market.
>>64353536no, they won't even import a firing pin lol
>>64351437Lol. Lmao.
quick change barrel is dope. can carry a short & long barrel and sub & super .300 blki hope desert tech starts selling shorter barrels for the .300blk out wlvrn next year when NFA shit is free
>>64353681Didn't the WLVRN have a real shit handguard, or was that some other DT product?Or KeltecEither way I will not be buying from mormons
>>64351435Shot one recently, it even had the upgraded sear. Was okay, didn't feel too strongly about it.Then I went up to the rental counter, told my buddy up there about it and he had me pick up a Tavor. Felt so much better in the hands, didn't shoot it but I might try it out since I'm looking to do my first AR build but I might just get a Tavor instead.
>>64351435Unironically they got everything nearly right accounting bullpup specifics.
>>64353711i donut knowthe mdrx, the predecessor to the wlvrn had all shorts of issues
>>64351484Ive got a 16" AUG with a B&T flow through titanium silencer and I can turn on a laser on the AUG and just shoot one handed from the hip with essentially no recoil for an entire magazine. It's so easy to hold and fire compared to an AR it's actually crazy. But I'm literally dead in the streets for the extra 1 second it takes to reload.
>>64353681What happened with the wolverine? I remember hearing the MDR was plagued with issues forever and the wolverine was supposed to fix everything, but nobody talks about them now that they're out.
>>64353824>It's so easy to hold and fire compared to an AR it's actually crazy.This is how I feel about every bullpup. I look at c-clampers as literally insane.
>>6435385790% of bullpup hate is from people who haven't handled one and getting upset that it isn't an AR. If you actually own and use one then you get good at using it. You can have a 20" barrel in a rifle shorter and handier than an M4.
>>64353794I must be thinking of that one then
yeah but
>>64351435That title belongs to the kel-tec RFV, sadly it is in .308 and also takes FAL mags instead of AR10 mags
>>64353826>What happened with the wolverine?Dead, lol. I think their thing is just making Trek22 (bullpup 10/22's basically) an making match ammo.
>>64353777I suggest you shoot the Tavor. It wins in size and modularity but most Tavor owners I've spoken to have numerous gripes about it.>>64351484>AUG vs ARBoth are top tier battle-tested rifles. I think AR wins out because of modularity and specificity but just barely. If you're running NVG and IR then AR wins, fitting all that on an AUG can be done but it's crowded for sure.
>>64353681Never buying a gun called WOLVERINE
>>64353976They finally dropped the meme scope. Modern A3M2 variant just comes with an extended rail + 45* rail.
>>64355225Was planning on going up to the range to rent the Tavor sometime this week after work. Done a bunch of reading up on it and watching videos of it along with all the comparisons to other bullpups so I have an idea of what its quirks and pains in the ass are (mainly disassembly and suppressing it seems), just need to actually shoot the thing. Also looking at a SAR specifically although I worry a little about parts availability compared to the X95.
>>64355263Yeah suppressing stuck out for me. The new gas blocks Steyr put out makes the AUG suppress pretty well. I haven't shot it without ears but I imagine 300BLK is hearing safe or on the edge of it. Not gassy for a bullpup.x95 Accuracy and durability were also questionable but I know they've said they're addressing that. I've heard people report their AUG as sub-MOA, I'd say it's more like 2 MOA off the shelf.Not sure why you're after a SAR model though.
>>64355297Not him but the SAR is cooler thanks to MW2 nostalgia
>>64355308With such a young platform you're gonna want all the improvements and updates you can get. Even the x95 is the posterchild of teething pains.
>>64355248I just think the old scope looks neat. I think the new models can take them too but need a spacer to fill them out.
>>64355248it's insane how much the front part of the A3M2 rail ruins the entire look
Why isn't the aug top tier?
>>64355679Aside from the usual complaints>expensive>hard to learn>bad trigger(overblown, decent when tuned and/or upgraded)>modularity(struggles to run more than optics+light, alleviated with A3M2 and MLOK handguard)>left handers/off-handers need to buy an aftermarket brass deflectorIt is a top tier rifle with a 50 year long service life in multiple militaries. Probably the best proven bullpup but falls short in a few spots where the AR shines for 1/3 the cost. Saving 6-10 inches isn't enough for major militaries already invested in the AR platform to entirely re-tool and retrain their militaries, but for lots of individuals it is. Look how many people run 10.3'' ARs
AUGtists help me out. I'm considering buying one (Standard variant) and need help figuring out what's what. Most websites don't list whether or not they're standard or NATO and I don't know how to tell unless they have a mag inserted.
>>64351437Bro famas needs steel case ammo cause it will shred brass since it extracts while the case is still under like 30k PSI pressure. One of the most retarded self loading rifles ever conceived.totally needlessly since at the time frogs designed it, various superior operating principles for automatic arms were known. Complete heap of trash.
>>64356069Standard has waffle mags and bottom paddle mag release only.NATO has side mag release AND bottom paddle mag release, but the newer stocks can also have a bolt release like picrel.So look for the side mag release, that means it's NATO.
>>64353976There is nothing with this scope in teh age of the iron sights.It was wise choice. Their era scopes sucked so going into higher magnification would leave you wit subpar and heavy scope, and you left without close range option. This scope was exactly what needed to fix bull pups short and high sight iron sight setup.
>>64355297Garand Thumb recently did a rereview of the modernised AUG and found it was 1.18 MOA, which is pretty good for a fighting rifle.
I'd fund that one canadian guy if I could
>>64356157What's this?
>>64356266Atlas Engineering. It's being made by some schizoid, not worth it desu
>>64356266just a penciled-out concept from that one canadian bullpup fanhttps://odysee.com/@cabbage6015/Designing-a-Modern-Bullpup-Rifledunno if he was told to get rid of everything (inc. on YT), since you're apparently not allowed to have shit in canada
>>64351435goated in cs 1.6
>>64356022In addition to this, the Australians liked it enough to begin producing their own modernisations and even have a 6.8mm descendant in development in case the cartridge doesn't turn out to be a load of shit in US service.If that thing gets adopted I think that'd make it the first bullpup to make a good enough impression to lead to another bullpup instead of an AR derivative being adopted.
>>64351437What about it?
>>64356077Besides authenticity is there any downside to the NATO stock now that they come with a bolt release? Cursory searching told me that the trigger is worse but the difference is minimal once you add aftermarket parts which I was going to do anyway.
>>64355248Without the a1 scope it's hideous
>>64351435Wrong.>>64356157He's a Chines Canadian. Apropos of nothing, just a bit of extra information/
>>64356843No. I came to the same conclusion and went with NATO. There's a lot of Standard/waffle reddit circlejerking. I looked into the trigger differences as well and everyone that actually shot both and wasn't just parroting what they heard said they were indistinguishable.>Mags are cheaper/free if you already have them>Gear compatibility>I like the side mag release more after practicing with both>Waffle mags have the problem of vomiting rounds if you slam them home too hard, this is unacceptable to meThe downside is it's hard to find with the bolt release stock off the shelf and you'll probably have to buy it seperately($500) like I did, but NATOs are going for ~$200 less than Standards last I checked.Only upside of Standard I can think of is if you want the absolute best trigger possible with no compromise, but the already small difference diminishes as you add aftermarket parts and reduce the pull weight thus reducing force on the trigger linkage.
>>64356843>>64357680Forgot, more aftermarket compatibility on standard.
>>64355248>>64355576>>64356884Adding three whole rail notches wasn't worth it
>>64356307Nah it just got deleted on youtibe for "showing how to make firearms" etc.
>>64357259He's Vietnamese
>>64351437The FAMAS is cool, but AUG does essentially everything better. This was especially pronounced in early versions, since the AUG came with a scope, and seems to have an easier upgrade path for railslop.
>>64353681>trusting Desert tech qc for anything that's not bespoke volt actions
>>64353857The ergonomic benefits become far more pronounced when you start hanging grenade launchers and lasers from the front. And soldiers are usually trying to retain magazines, so the "muh reload speed will kill you" is such bullshit.
>>64358479It's easier to retain mags on a conventional layout rifle than most bullpups.
>>64355248>nato standards>still no Stanag magOnly reason I haven’t is because I’m not dropping $60 a piece filling up a chest carrier with proprietaries
>>64358812I just bought AUG pmags for $21 a piece, your mag guy is ripping you off man.
>>64358479On the GL thing, I'm surprised so many forces were happy jankily rigging an M203 onto theirs for so long. A properly integrated 40mm seems way more ergonomic and probably much nicer on weight distribution.
>>64351437>>64358457also the AUG is a slightly later design, making more integrated use of polymer
>>64358812? Nato ver works with $10 AR pmags. Those are the recommended mags in fact.
>>64356157Omg yes. Sent him a dm once and he agreed on adding the pistolgrip_handshield. He seemed like a very clever individual. Toobad youtube took doen that video
>>64351435>not a keltec designWRONG
>>64360293(You) are wrong
so does the A3 M2 come with the new gas block from the factory?
>>64363575The suppressor block? No it's sold seperately by steyr for ~$100
It's pronounced Schhhhtaaaeyerrrrr Aoourrg.
>>64351484I'd absolutely take my AUG over any of my AR-15s if I had to be in an active combat zone and my life depended upon it.
>>64365257Not my fault you own slop, kys poorfag
>>64358812waffles are based and more stylish
>>64356410That looks so fucking sick
>>64351435>By far the best bullpup to dateNah.
>>64353681>i hope desert tech starts selling shorter barrels for the .300blk out wlvrn next year when NFA shit is freeThey've confirmed they're doing a 300bo Micron, which is what I've always really wanted and prompted me to sell my MDR in anticipation. But I don't think it'll be compatible or just a barrel change with the existing one either because I don't think there's enough room to move the gas so it'll run right unsuppressed.But I might be wrong, and the end of the NFA stamp brings new interesting engineering degrees of freedom like integral barrels. But I wouldn't be surprised if they do another rev of that gun, not like they've hesitated to version it over and over before.
>>64366327Reciprocating barrels are cool
>>64366515yah no doubt shit for accuracy and impractical in general but damn if it isnt super cool to have a mininaval gun in your hands
>>64366508>end of the NFA stampThe stamp and approval process is still in place they are only eliminating the $200 fee. Everything else is the same gay shit.
>>64366877Eh, the $200 is the main remaining bad part. You only ever need to do fingerprints once in your fucking life now, the photo can just be a selfie with your phone, all the form filling is automated, and approval times are single digit days, hell some folks now get them in <24h since it's all electronic.Would I be delighted to see SBRs and suppressors removed from the NFA completely? Yes. But this will be a big meaningful change. And I also personally think that it significantly raises the odds of the HPA or equiv passing over the next decade. The only way to get true reform is to get broad enough political support. That won't happen without just plain raw numbers, a lot of people need to have them (which then also serves a natural public education role, people will know what suppressors are actually like not just hollywood meme shit). So $50-100 cans and such that get them into 10x as many hands matters imo. Odds will be way up that as it becomes normalized voices will raise of "why are we still bothering with the rest of this crap now?"
>>64366949Good points, agreed. I wonder if we'll ever see "suppressed only" ranges popping up. I'm so tired of driving 30+ minutes just to test a few shots after my nearby range closed due to noise complaints.
>>64366949>the photo can just be a selfie with your phonewait really?
>>64367038>I wonder if we'll ever see "suppressed only" ranges popping upI think we 100% will, if only because as you say there are a lot of areas of the country where population density and neighbors are such that the noise of a typical range really does get into nuisance territory. Suppressors will change the legal arguments around that at least to some extent.I suspect there will be hybrid stuff too though. I can think of at least one range in the area where it's still operating after a big community debate but there are time-of-day/week limits. So I could see something like "unsuppressed firing 9am to 5pm, suppressed only 5pm-closing". I could also see even completely unregulated isolated private ranges having a day or two a week be "suppressor only" days just out of member demand, it'd be cool if you could go and have everything be suppressed if cans were practically throwaway cheap. We'll see how that evolves of course and it might take a year or three to reach enough critical mass.
>>64367065Yep, that's what I did for my last two. No more fucking going to the pharmacy for a passport photo and taping it onto paper or some such shit. There are still the standard photo reqs in terms of "needs to be in front of a blank surface, can't be wearing glasses, look at the camear" but that's no problem.
>>64367079That's good to know, and hell yeah anon you've saved me an errand for whenever I pony up cash for a silencer.
>>64366327>>64351435Reminder that an Ozzie made a Browning M2 bullpup that could allegedly be shoulder-fired.
>>64356843Ignore the retards who cope with the Nato stock choice. There are a few differences despite what this queer >>64357680 says. The trigger only has a single bar. Due to the increased flex in the bar your trigger pull is going to suck more. It can be mostly ameliorated with a new sear, but still sucks ass. Second the stock is dimensioned different around the ejection port causing 3rd party products like the corvus brass deflector to not fit. Corvus has since fixed this with a separate Nato version. Don't forget that left hand ejection is a no go as well. In summation if an extra $200 for magpul aug magazines is going to break the bank you need to consider a different hobby if you want what is literally the inferior choice to save a few hundred.
>>64351435That's not a RFB.
I live in a faggot state. The only way I can get an aug is from my lgs at $2300 and it's the NATO version. Is it worth it? The only other alternatives are not owning an aug or buying a tavor.
>>64367240You're overpaying by at least $700. NATO version is very workable. The trigger is worse but people over-exaggerate it, with upgrades it's very close(picrel). You could buy the Standard stock and trigger pack for ~$500 and convert it.>I live in a faggot state.If you convert it you'll be buying the 10rd standard mags from Steyr and paying out the ass for them.>Is it worth it?Probably not unless pissing $1000-$1500+ away is not a big deal for you.
>>64367199It's mainly accessibility because I live in a cuck state and mags are a pain to get besides PMAGs. If those are good to go then I'm fine getting a standard.
>>64368315Pmag makes standard AUG mags now, I haven't heard anything bad about them.
>>64351435Wrong, PKM chads win again
>>64368865retarded "carrying handle" meme guns will never look good grandpa
>>64368865kys zigger
>>64368865>Bullpup that ejects to the wrong side>Used by a country where left handed people get sent to a gulagThey didn't think that one through, did they?>>64368888Holy quads
>>64368865I too main Fuze and I too regularly got 6 man aces
>>64363575Remember the gas block is per barrel not per gun.And any factory barrel will come with the regular gas block.
>>64367199You should still own a NATO stock so you can use a mag adapter for your 9mm conversion.
>>64365257I get it, you chose a duck because you're preening
>>64367384Interesting chart. The pull weight has never been much of an issue for me. After a few shots my fingers acclimate to anything under 10 or so pounds. What I don't like on the AUG trigger is the lack of a positive reset. There are times when it feels like it's slipping rather than pushing.
>>64353681Is there a video for that picture? I was wondering about that exact set up with a 20" 5.56 barrel and Banish Speed K suppressor.
>>64367384So waffle and NATO stocks are interchangeable on the M2s? My state bans are weird, M2 waffle is banned under out AWB, but not the NATO. 10+ mags are also banned for sale but not possession, so I can still grab those if I take a trip over state lines. I'm still trying to figure out the best way to do this.
>>64356157That's literally just the Keltec RFB
>>64353681If anyone actually considers following this picture, I'll say I have mixed feelings about the built-in-bipod-gimmick handguard. I mean, aside from the fact that it's fucking expensive. But also it's not light and the bipod is limited by length of the guard. The way they designed it means you can't wrap a can at all. I would definitely suggest not even considering it unless you've got a 20" barrel and 6.5cm.
>>64353681Name a more cringe redneck name for a gun
>>64374104Hellion
>>64351435>plasticGay.I think the Jakl bullpup is gonna be good if they don't cheap out on the lower and make it plastic.
