Gringxs BTFOhttps://www.eluniverso.com/noticias/internacional/espana-con-la-mira-puesta-en-cazas-turcos-de-quinta-generacion-luego-de-cancelar-compra-de-f-35-de-estados-unidos-nota/>Since August, Spain's decision to halt the purchase of F-35 aircraft from the United States has been in the news. The reaction in Washington made President Donald Trump uncomfortable. There are expectations, fueled by speculation over the past two months, regarding the Spanish government's next move.>For the moment, there appears to be a decision regarding the purchase of these F35 fighter jets, meaning that the press is beginning to learn which new country Spain will form an alliance with.>The decision points to Turkey, according to El Economista.>Spain is considering purchasing the new fifth-generation TAI KAAN fighter jets, scheduled to enter service in 2030," the media outlet reports.>The KAAN project, led by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), represents Turkey's commitment to joining the select group of nations capable of producing fifth-generation fighter jets, reports Galaxia Militar.
KAAN's engine won't be mass produced until 2032. But Turks already developing their own engine for KAAN.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TEI-TF6000>By October 2024, more than 60 tests had been conducted. TEI's CEO Mahmut Faruk Akşit emphasized that the TF-10000 and TF-6000 engines were developed in parallel. "They both use the same core, of course the TF-6000 is without an afterburner. The TF-10,000 is a version with an afterburner," he said.[8] In February 2025, TEI CEO Akşit stated that the engine was almost finished, but since it was developed in parallel with the TF-10000, they were considering completing both together. Aksit also stated that demands had come from abroad before the engine was even finished. TF-6000 is considered a pioneer engine for TAI Kaan's future domestic engine and is being prepared accordingly.[9] The TF6000 is expected to fulfill various roles in Turkey's military, supporting advanced unmanned systems like the Bayraktar Kızılelma and the TAI Anka-3. TEI's development process for the TF6000 included advanced material engineering, fuel efficiency optimization, and modular design.[10] On September 17, 2025, the engine was tested publicly for the first time.[11]So a long term purchase maybe.
>>64352331>Nations don't want to pay for a fighter with a kill switch made by a nation that acts like a hole with BPD.Many such cases!
>>64352341>>64352335>>64352331>brown people sourcing their weapons from other brown people You do you I guess
>>64352331>>64352341>Country with the lowest spending in all of NATO wants to defer to a cheaper jet that won't be available till 5 years time>europoors think this is le epic win sticking it burgersmany such cases
>>64352458Brown mudslimes aren't the brightest anon
>>64352413EVERY country in Europe is whiter than the US.Even Argentina is whiter than the US.
>>64352458>>64352461>t. Jamarcus Freeman and Pedro Smith-Martinez
>>64352470>>64352475Post hand, guns, and denounce the quran. You won't.
What an incredibly shit thread.
>>64352341why are thridies so convinced of of the existence of kill switches? we've seen no examples of them ever being used and it doesn't make sense for them to exist since that's not how fighter jets work.Is it a rumour stemming from the fact India was refused access to the "source code" of airframes offered to them or the fact that Pakistan wasn't allowed to use their F16s against India (despite doing so anyway)t.bong
>>64352331>Spain might attempt to buy knockoff not f-35 from country malding over their choice of s-400s over the f-35 which they have been trying to reverse in recent monthsLmao
>>64352480>Missed "curse vishnu"Its funny that thirdies are paid by both sides to spam shit
>>64352480Why would you want to see pagered hands?
The only party being BTFO here is the one that will receive inferior aircraft at a later date and possibly spend more. Also, Spain might have elected an entirely different government with better US relations by the time that KAAN gets engines and mass production. >>64352502They're desperate to imagine some excuse for their purchase of lesser hardware to their sour grapes. I also wouldn't be surprised if your rumor is true. Actually, the only cases of kill switches actually existing and being used that I can recall come from France, ironic given that it's seen as the go to supplier of non-aligned military equipment.
Türkiye probably offered source codes and access to mission computer so the spanish will be able to mount their own stuff without asking permission from the jews in Washington DC
>>64353143Planes have existed with EULA since they began getting exported; read them.
>>64353075>Actually, the only cases of kill switches actually existing and being used that I can recall come from France, ironic given that it's seen as the go to supplier of non-aligned military equipment.IIRC that's actually a lie spread by bong tabloids seething at the Argies' exocet and claimed the French were being strong armed into giving up some magical codes that will neutralize the missile.Think about it, even if it existed do you honestly think the French would risk revealing its military vulnerability to the Brits of all people? And how the hell the Brits going to disable the missile with it?
>>64352331Minor snag tho, the US Congress blocked the sales of the engines that would be used on the KAAN.
Spain also purchased 40 supersonic trainers/light fighters from Turkey
>>64352341There are no such things as kill switches, you brown mongoloid.
>>64353434See >>64352335
>>64352331That shit won't be ready till 2040.
>>64353254Yeah, and the tightest of leashes comes from Washington.
>>64352502WymThe f35 requires a code from the jewSA at every startup
>>64353440I thought we already established that turks cannot into jet engines last thread
>>64353451Turkey already has jet engines. 35000 lbf engine will start ground tests by 2026
>>64353461No you don't silly brownoid.
>need to increase defense spending to comply with diplomatic demands>earmark money for a product that doesn't exist, and will not be delivered within any current officials tenure>five years from now cancel the order and claw back all the money "spent"
>>64353475Turkey has already developed and manufactured its own domestically designed turbofan & turboshaft engines. 35000 lbf engine is only a matter of time at this point.
>>64353499Cargo cult
>>64353520building jet engines is a cargo cult now? you kikes don't even have your engines
>>64353499So has India, Iran and Korea. Doesn't mean that any of them will be able to scale them up. It's not a linear path.
>>64353526>da jooosWay to out yourself Muhammad
>>64353526Kys roach
>>64353533>IndiaThey have joint production with french safran. meanwhile Turkey is building this on its own. HUGE difference>IranThey can barely overhaul F-5 engines. They don't produce any engines. Iran only assembly chinese parts.>koreaThey can develop the engine, but they don't need to. >>64353534>>64353541appears that the evil kike has his feelings hurt. Ouch.
>>64353075The French had no kill switches, they just told the UK and US, on more than one occasion, about a serious technical vulnerability in older french hardware being used by opponents. Knowing stuff like exact radar frequencies, threshold values and software bugs, especially in older missile systems, can be nearly as good as a notional kill switch though.
Eurofighter would be more believable bait
>>64352331What happens if this project gets cancelled? Is Spain not going to have no current gen aircraft while everyone moves on to 6th?
kaan is dead. did you miss the last thread, retards?their "domestic" engine relied entirely on tech transfer and one by one, everyone is refusing to sell them engines, much less tech transfer.Even in the absolute best case scenario, which would require multiple miracles and lottery levels of luck, their "domestic" engine will take 15 years MINIMUM so the kaan will basically be not even 5th gen in 2040 at the absolute earliest.turkey's retarded politics has literally raped the kaan to death.
>>64354656imb4 turkroach anon talks about his 6000lbf engine again
>>64354656>>64354661>Erm a bunch of randoms here discussed it here on Redd- I mean /k/, it means we're right!!!!!!!!!Nobody cares lmao. You're not in the industry.
>>64353437>t7/fa50 knockoff with american engines and garmin avionicsLmao
>>64352341Nah, its just spanish communist gov dont like US gov currently.
>>64354730>and unlike the T7, it works
>>64353461wrong type of engine, if they manage to get somewhat modern,1980s US technology level engine fully introduced by 2035 I would be surprised
>>64352335>So a long term purchase maybe.it's not like they can roll in to a lockmart dealership and get ~100 new F-35s today (or even in a couple years for that matter)
>>64352413>speaking about browns>americanstop kek, post director for FBI
>>64352502>we've seen no examples of themwe've seen them since the 2008 russian invasion into Georgia at the very least
>>64355080Thirdie manages to mess up half a sentence, impressive.
5th production Bayraktar KE made flight yesterday, this would be a good complimentary to KAAN as it will be equipped with AESA radar and BVR missiles as well
>>64353448No it doesn't.F-35s require a mission data load, this is a file generated for the specific hardware/software/weapons loadout/mission specific configuration for the jet. The MDLs can only be verified/signed off by the US's proprietary software tools, most F-35 owners have people in the US working at the F-35 partner support complex, and also run joint reprogramming laboratories (for example, Australia, Canada, United Kingdom Reprogramming Laboratory (ACURL), and the Norway Italy Reprogramming Laboratory (NIRL).) Though these facilities still rely on the US for the proprietary software checks and validation signature. The jets CAN fly with a basic generic MDL file for training or basic air patrol duties, but for advanced combat operations you'll want specific tailored MDLs for that mission. Also MDLs can be reused, but the older they are the worse they'll be, so they should be updated as frequently as can reasonably be done. Also, it's unlikely the US would use the MDLs as a "kill switch" since the US controls the F-35 spare parts/logistics chain if they wanted to cripple a nation's F-35s they'd just stop shipping them parts.
TRM-APU60 of Kaan fighter, built by TEI & TRMotor70kg, 280 kw power205 kw eqv bleed air
>>64352331>consideringIt will never happen. Spain will only buy such aircraft from the EU or the US.The F35 is being dropped because concerns about the US becoming hostile and unreliable. And it was only chosen because the spanish navy Harriers being retired. They wanted to keep the VTOL capability, but the new drone age has made them reconsider the idea.>>64352413Even Turkey is more "white" than the US in 2025, lol
>>64356300damn i love how TEI surprises everyone with these things. so lovely. I can't wait for the first run of 35000 lbf engine
>>64352502Because there's examples of that happening (see the Falklands War). And "kill switches" is also about not having tech support and updates during wartime, which keys nowadays.
>>64356256Not him.>it's unlikely the US would use the MDLs as a "kill switch"The US will use any part of their 'ISR' infrastructure using whatever excuse (like ITAR for P(Y) receivers) they can think about. Denying spare parts isn't useful to stop or deter a country to do a mission in particular.
>>64356256AFAIK MDLs aren't QUITE mission specific, but they're region specific.They're more like threat libraries that get constantly updated with new information.For example, European nations use a Europe centric MDL that focuses almost entirely on Russian threats, Russian radars, Russian missiles, Russian tanks, Russian jets, etc.Conversely, Korean/Japanese/Australian F-35s have a Chinese centric MDLs (though Japan also has Russian specific threat libraries in their MDLs) that obviously focus on Chinese equipment and threats.It's likely the US is updating or has already updated their Chinese MDLs to add the J-36 and J-50 to the threat library so if an F-35 ever sees one it'll know exactly what it is.I belive the current TR-3/Block 4 upgrades intend to add the ability for the F-35 to not just recognize known threats from the threat library, but to also analyze and determine if an unknown target not recognized in the threat library should be treated as a new threat or not, and then collect data to allow that target to be added to the threat library later.
>>64356336They already possess MDLs for most generic missions, you'd only need something highly tailored/mission specific if you were doing some super sekrit electronic warfare mission.
>>64356343That is cool as hell
>>64352331The real reason the US is so insistent that Europe buys F-35s is because in case of a war with China, the euro airforces will simply be asked to hand over their F-35s to offset USAF losses.
>>64356357Yea pretty much, though I can understand why US allies might hesitate before buying F-35s as they do heavily rely on the US continuing to provide updated MDLs. Though if you're NATO or NATO adjacent, it makes sense as long as its in your budget.
>>64352470>EVERY country in Europe is whiter than the US.Not really, countries like Albania or 90% of Italy are like 100% brown. Europe's racial borders are far smaller than its geographical borders. You know that Turkey, a country considered brown, is partially located in Europe? USA is about 35% euroamerican right now, with half of them being high yella brown south euros, so America being about 17% white is about right. Americans are detached from race and ethnicity and think Europe is like one giant Disneyland. t. european
>>64353143>Türkiye probably offered source codes and access to mission computer so the spanish will be able to mount their own stuff without asking permission from the jews in Washington DCYes. When you buy American, its like buying a game console, you get locked into the American military industrial complex ecosystem. You can only run programs available in the app store. When you buy from someone else and get the source code for the onboard computers, its like buying a PC and load whatever program you want on it.
>>64356372>countries like Albania or 90% of Italy are like 100% brown>brown south eurosYou're not european, HIVan
>>64356372Cope, brownoid roach
>>64352470The US has European Whites in it than the whole EU combined. And has more European Whites than the whole population of Russia - churkas, mongoloid, and Central Asians included. There's literally no country on earth with more European Whites than the US. Cope all you want, inbred shitskin mutant.
>>64356372>USA is about 35% euroamerican right nowProof, Rapejeet Mohammed the inbred pakiod?
>>64356372>countries like Albania or 90% of Italy are like 100% brownThey are whiter than what is considered white in US, martinez.
>>64352331>consideringSpanish politicians can consider procuring cheese from the Lunarians if they so wish but the military is likely well aware that there is no true alternative to the F-35 in existence, as their western neighbours already have admitted in spite of their earlier embarrassing governmental denunciations of the F-35.Maybe if the core political tenets of the continent weren't welfarism and self-emasculation there'd be several equivalent systems in service already.
>>64356657>>64356672It's hilarious to read amerimutts buttmad at being nowhere as "white" as they believe like a pajeet obssesed with their caste bullshit. People laugh at argentinians for the same reason, but racially speaking argies are unironically more european than the US by a lot.And you'll never be as "white" as random european towns in the middle of nowhere with a mix of pagan and christian traditions going back to fucking roman times.
>>64356902>>64356691>>64356683>>64356672>>64356657man, really working overtime to divert the conversation from the topic at hand huhwhy don't you want to discuss weapons/military spending on /k/?it's almost like a concerted effort to change the topic to some /pol/ shit
>>64356947There is little to discuss.The spanish military wanted the F-35 to replace their aging Harriers even before they became cheaper and their stealth capabilities so essential. Other EU countries finally doing the same made it an easier sell.Then the US went full retard (again), and now Spain is unwilling to invest so heavily in a platform they aren't sure they can trust in future decades. But there's no EU alternative to spanish needs, so they're exploring even otherwise unthinkable options like a turkish jet.They're probably stalling and avoiding having to commit until the US stops being retarded for a while, and nobody's career is fucked by buying american now.source: t.spaniard
>>64357007>Then the US went full retard (again), and now Spain is unwilling to invest so heavily in a platform they aren't sure they can trust in future decades.lolspain has been cancelling their f35 orders every 6 months for the last 3 years and each time is a SHOCK!in reality they have never actually signed a contract to acquire any f35's and politicians have simply dangled the idea repeatedly to then say WAIT NO, WE WANT TO BE DIFFERENThttps://www.eurasiantimes.com/spain-rejects-us-f-35-stealth-fighters-to-focus-on-made-in-europe-eurofighter-typhoons/
>>64357077>eurasiantimesyou did the needful Saar
>>64357097just an example of how far back this retarded story goeshttps://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2021/11/09/spains-ministry-of-defense-denies-interest-in-the-f-35/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20Spanish%20government%20has%20no,9%20report.>2021>The Spanish government has no budget to enter into any other jet project in addition to the one that is already in place. We rule out entering the F-35 project. Our investment commitment is in the FCASbut no, ORANGEMAN RETARD UNRELAIABLE is the real reason right?
>>64357150The F-35C that Spain wanted since the start did not enter service until 2019, then something funny happened in 2020, in Jan 6th 2021, and even funnier shit began in 2022.>ORANGEMAN RETARD UNRELAIABLE is the real reason right?Yes. That gives Spain more than enough pause to stop the adquisition for now even if the F-35 is the best jet. The fact that they've been flip flopping and stalling for an imaginary common EU fighter instead of simply buying a proven design says it all. It wasn't just because of the money once the F35 became so cheap that even fucking Morroco is going to buy it (our traditional regional troublesome neighbour)That's what happens when you give the most important chair in the world to a dangerous unqualified clown for shits and glggles, and he shits in the post Cold War international order. Countries start looking for alternatives if they can.
>>64357328Spain never wanted the F-35C, it only operates from catapult carriers, something spain has never owned.They were looking at the F-35B to operate off the Juan Carlos I. The F-35B entered service in 2015.
>>64356178Why are so many birds near an active runway with aircraft taking off?
>>64357373My bad. But the point stands.It was not yet as cheap as it became in later years, and the following events have soured what would have been a bitter pill anyway. The spanish military still wants the F35 as the answer to all their modernization needs, but the politicians in charge do not want to spend a cent more in US tech if they can avoid it. Hence the contradictory statements and stalling for time.
>>64357454Oh I agree, just pointing out your timeline of events didn't add up on top of Spain being incapable of ever operating the F-35C.
>>64356343>I belive the current TR-3/Block 4 upgrades intend to add the ability for the F-35 to not just recognize known threats from the threat library, but to also analyze and determine if an unknown target not recognized in the threat library should be treated as a new threat or not, and then collect data to allow that target to be added to the threat library later.Pretty based if that works out
>>64352341>implying a kill switch exists If such a thing existed Israel would have sold it to the Chinese by now you stupid brown monkey.
>>64359542As mentioned above, the only thing approaching the "kill switch" is the MDL file, which Israel is the only FMS nation to have the ability to write their own without US assistance.So for any other FMS nation, the MDL files COULD be a form of kill switch, as if those go for too long without getting updates, the F-35s will be using an older threat library and would be more vulnerable than an F-35 with the most up to date MDLs.Similarly the supply chain for spare parts makes for an effective kill switch as well since the F-35 (and any modern jet really) requires extensive parts chains and if those get disrupted your planes will quickly be out of service. The F-35 is even worse in this regard since it uses a pre-planned highly organized supply chain that sometimes takes years for a part to be produced, so everything needs to be ordered in anticipation of being replaced, before the part actually needs to be replaced, so every part tends to be "spoken" for well before it actually gets manufactured, so there aren't really many spares just laying around, the parts are also SO hyper specific and often incredibly difficult to manufacture even for the ones who designed it in the first place, so the idea of manufacturing your own spare parts or buying them off the black market is pretty much dead in the water, leaving the US in a position where they can essentially "kill" your ability to operate F-35s in a long term way, even if you might still be capable of basic operations for awhile using your existing inventory of parts, and it would quickly deplete in any sort of high intensity operations. tldr; there is no kill switch.
Is KAAN supposed to be able to launch from a carrier? Or is Spain just giving up on carrier ops? I'm not surprised in the slightest that FCAS is taking another hit though.
>>64352331>Spain my country, we have recently decided on a loan plan for Euro defence and shiet. However it is only applicable in acquisitions that are 65%+ European. For your Air Fleet do you go for the many Euro Offerings or do you buy offbrand shit from the Neo Ottoman Sultan? (May Ataturks grave rotations power Turkey for eternity)
>>64359581>Israel is the only FMS nation to have the ability to write their own without US assistanceOf course they do
>>64356321That was just some beef a random MP started with France for no reason. There were no kill switches
>>64355037>hurdurr jet>2 prototypes>T-7>5 prototypes
