What's going on with the patriot system?
>>64354624>Ukraine’s Air Force said its interception rate for ballistic missiles improved over the summer, reaching 37% in August, but dropped to just 6% in September despite fewer launches.Total launches =/= interceptable launchesIn first place they changed their use of kinzhal to a more tactical role too far away from Patriot sites near certain cities and the current scarcity doesn't help.
>>64354646>Total launches =/= interceptable launchesWhy aren't all Russian missile types interceptable for the Patriot system?
Are you really surprised? Patriot batteries aren't some wunderwaffe. Frankly I'm surprised it took the russians this long to circumvent it, so it's either an achievement for NATO or an achievement for the russians.
>>64354659Read nigga. It was quite literally in the following paragraph.
>>64354624It's simple. They aren't launching Iskanders at Patriot defended sites anymore.
>>64354670Is there a way for the patriot system to counter the new missile trajectories?
>>64354677why do you think the US is working on bendy missiles anon?
>>64354677Do you understand now?
>>64354677yes there would be.
>have less missiles>intercept less missiles>NO, IT MUST BE LE NEW TRAJECTORY MIGHTY BEAR IS UNSTOPPABLE AND SMART
>>64354750are you pretending to be stupid? An interception rate of 6% means only 6% of attacks were successfully defended against, the other 94% evaded the patriot system and hit their targets. Obviously if you don't even fire the interceptors from the patriot it isn't counted as an interception. The "fewer launches" part of the article was stating that the Russian military isn't even trying to saturate the patriot system anymore, since they're confident just a smaller handful of the new missiles can successfully evade it and hit their targets
>>64354774>smaller handful of the new missiles can successfully evade it and hit their targetsThen why aren't they destroying the patriots in the capital?hello?
>>64354789I don't know, how is that relevant? Do you think Ukraine is keeping all the "good" patriot systems in Kyiv and sending the "bad" patriot systems to the rest of the country to be destroyed by Russian missiles?
>>64354801Maybe because a lot of relevant HVT are there? :^)
>>64354817I asked a rhetorical question. I highly doubt the patriot systems given to Ukraine vary much in their effectiveness to the point that they can be separated into "good" or "bad" classes.
>>64354677Yes, you move them - but that makes no sense because the system is still doing its job by outright discouraging ziggers from conducting strikes in that area.
>>64354835Don't you understand, do you? why would russia waste time and money using their missiles against sheds 600 km away from the capital when they can destroy the patriot battery and have freeway to fulminate the whole Ukrainian goverment in one single night :^)))), it's works as blackmail material "I destroyed your only defense, now I can kill you in any moment". They seem to have a skill issue.
>>64354841>the system is still doing its job by outright discouraging ziggers from conducting strikes in that area.The patriot systems are targets themselves, they're expensive pieces of machinery that are hard to replace. Just getting a patriot system to waste $4 million interceptors on shitty, slow missiles is a form of attrition, using Kinzhal missiles to destroy a $1 billion patriot battery inflicts further economic loss on Ukraine.
>>64354863Where are all the destroyed Patriots, Anon?
>>64354869Look up Ukrainian military reports
>>64354878My bad, they lost a handful of systems over the past 3 years, the ass is truly in the ass now.
>>64354801no anon, they are keeping all their patriot systems near major cities and the Russians are attacking elsewhere, there are no "bad" patriots, the areas where the missiles get through do not contain any patriots at allthis means, believe it or not, that the patriot is doing its job. more effectively than usual even since it is expending fewer interceptors to achieve the same level of protection in the areas being guarded
>>64354928>the areas where the missiles get through do not contain any patriots at all>it is expending fewer interceptors to achieve the same level of protection in the areas being guardedThen how do you explain the 6% interception rate?
>>64354835Considering around 30% of the interceptors are PAC-2 it might have a role. If a battery runs out of PAC-3 they're going to be less effective.
I had thought Russian missile strikes have been happening at the rate they can build them, which is down to something like 20-30 PER MONTH.I dont keep my eyes on the reported stats though and accept I could be wildly wrong on the numbers.
>>643549082, to be specificthey've lost 2 launchers so far to Russian strikeswhich is a bit odd given that they are supposedly being targeted by missiles with a 6% interception rate
>>643549376% of the missiles fired by Russia pass through airspace covered by a patriot battery
>>64354937>how do you explain the 6% interception rate?They're not throwing their drunken rocket salvos where they are, retard. That's why they intercept less.
>>64354941I wasn't aware of the ukies being given access to PAC-3 at allcertainly the khinzal and onyx interceptions were PAC-2
>>64354945I wonder if it's sample collapse. Such a small sample that the statistical median gets thrown off.
>>64354726those are some nice paddocks.
>>64354959There're pics of PAC 3 CRI (at least 2 iirc) after the 7-7 interception against kinzhal+iskanders in 17 may 2023. That was about 1 week after the first interception of a Kinzhal that caused a lot of spam here and russia literally targeting that patriot battery one week later.
>>64354624nothing, just journalists doing their usual thing
>>64354624>cropped out source>"the financial times reported"
>>64354863>The patriot systems are targets themselvesOkay, and? I think a loss rate of about one system every two years isn't particularily relevant to the overall war.
>>643549376% of missiles ar efired at targets actually defended by Patriots or SAMP/T. Simple as.
>>64355061Article is from Ukrainska pravdahttps://english.nv.ua/nation/russia-modifies-kinzhal-and-iskander-missiles-weakening-ukraine-s-patriot-defenses-50549946.html
>>64354774And the targets they're hitting with a 94% success rate are surely vital military equipment that will wrap up this war in a couple weeks, right? They certainly aren't just wantonly launching cruise missiles at apartment blocks, are they????
>>64354908>>64354947And bear in a mind, the 'launcher' is a trailer that the missile containers are mounted on. It's the least important part of the system and a typical Patriot battery will have between six and eight of them, so it's not like Russia has actually knocked out a Patriot system.
>>64355072No, no, you don't understand! The mission objectives require the Ukrainians to keep all their Patriot launchers alive! If they lose three, the Russians automatically win!
>>64355490If you think Ukraine's allies are happy to foot Ukraine's war bill for years to come then you're mistaken.
>>64355326Of course notThey are lobbing them at the trainstation in Sumy
>>64354863Nice.
Wack.
shil thread, you're brown, etc etc
>>64355531Is this a bit?
>>64354690I love this guy
>>64356322bye bye serbnigger
>>64355531>cyka blyat we just need to destroy more air defense systems and evil HATO will abandon ukraineStupid fucking vodkaniggerKorsakoff syndrome (KS) is a disorder of the central nervous system characterized by amnesia, deficits in explicit memory, and confabulation. This neurological disorder is caused by a deficiency of thiamine (vitamin B1) in the brain, and it is typically associated with and exacerbated by the prolonged, excessive ingestion of alcohol.
>>64354726based effortposting Anon>you are probably arguing with a zigger discord troll, a bot, or (may Allah forgive me for even uttering this word) a /ch*g/niggerbut it is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness, good on yer
>>64354774>An interception rate of 6% means only 6% of attacks were successfully defended against, the other 94% evaded the patriot system and hit their targets.No? A 6% interception rate means 6% of TOTAL LAUNCHES were intercepted regardless of whether or not a patriot would have been available to intercept it in the first place.This is like claiming body armour has become less effective because more people are getting shot in the face
>>64354624>What's going on with the patriot system?It really needs a 2-stage point defense interceptor, a kind of super pac-3 where the warhead has extremely high lateral manuverability. The only way to achieve this is to make it completely manuverable by a controllable rocket, like an exoatmospheric warhead.
>>64354789>Then why aren't they destroying the patriots in the capital?>hello?Sigh. If they are ineffective, they dont need to spend missiles on them, missiles that could be used to bomb something else.
>>64356423Like a babushka instead of the UA goverment or the HATO stockpiles in the capital, amirite?
>>64356423>something else.Like all those low density residential areas and random crop fields they keep hitting. Russian precision munitions only strike the highest of value targets
>>64354863>use <military weapon/unit/technique>><military weapon/unit/technique> gets countered by countermeasure with very high probability of success>now have to resort to using <military weapon/unit/technique> on lower-value targets where countermeasure is less effective or non-existent >"HAHAHAHAHAHA <military weapon/unit/technique> IS BARELY OPPOSED"The efficacy of the Patriot missile system is less about targets intercepted (where making a mistake it's performance has been stellar), but more in the number of missiles that were NEVER EVEN FIRED IN THE FIRST PLACE out of fear they WOULD be intercepted.see >>64354726if you are still too smooth-brained to make pictures in your head from words you read.
>>64356435Now now, anon. Those babushkas were extremely high value targets. They were all HATO special forces officers, and at least two were boris johnson
>>64356435>make [no] mistake***fixed
>>643546241. Ukraine has fewer PAC-3 missiles and those are the only Patriot missiles which can intercept kinzhals. Say thank you to Based Donald for making sure Israel has enough of those, thank YHWH.2. russians have been increasingly hitting targets which are not defended by Patriots.
>>64354959>I wasn't aware of the ukies being given access to PAC-3 at all>certainly the khinzal and onyx interceptions were PAC-2There are videos where ukies ripple launch an entire launchers worth of PAC-3 vs incoming khinzals. PAC-3 is a small, effective top of the line interceptor missile, so you can fit 16 of them on a truck launcher. If you see a patriot battery and suddenly there are a shitload of missiles being launched, you can be sure that they are PAC-3s because only these are small enough to be fitted in great numbers to a launcher.
>>64356443b-but /k/ told me Trump was going to stand up to Israel, give Ukraine tomahawks, and even (I am nlt making this up) repeal the NFA, and make ammo prices go down to pre-2016 levels
>>64355490>No, no, you don't understand! The mission objectives require the Ukrainians to keep all their Patriot launchers alive! If they lose three, the Russians automatically win!The problem is that the russians arent dumb, they are not really targeting the launcher, they are aiming for the radar and missile control cab. These are far harder to replace than empty launchers. If the ukies see multiple inbound iskanders or khinzals on their patriot battery, they are not going to save their missiles for another day because doing so risks their missile stash to be blown up before launching. Its basic game theory.
>>64354624May I see an actual source? Your screenshot of a nameless source isn't reliable. And do not post a paywalled FT article, unless you're going to screenshot the whole article - with author's name included.>>64354674This.>>64354677>Is there a way for the patriot system to counter the new missile trajectories?Yeah, by you coming back to reality. The Patriot PAC-3 has been able to intercept the Storm II Target Test Missile that uses a Pershing II's Maneuvering Reentry Vehicle (MaRV) traveling at mach 5+, while maneuvering, in terminal phase since the 1990s. Here's a video of said test:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmjxQM2I7JU>>64354774>are you pretending to be stupid?Are you?>An interception rate of 6% means only 6% of attacks were successfully defended againstWhere is your source for 6% interception rate?>the other 94% evaded the patriot system and hit their targets.Where are these 94% hitting exactly, location wise? May I see the damage?>The "fewer launches" part of the article was stating that the Russian military isn't even trying to saturate the patriot system anymoreThen you can post the actual article, yes?>>64354801>sending the "bad" patriot systems to the rest of the country to be destroyed by Russian missiles?May I see these destroyed Patriot systems?>>64354959Then you've not been paying attention since Ukraine has gotten Patriot PAC-3 CRI, and PAC-3 MSE since the beginning, and everyone paying attention knows this. Only an idiot shill on his first week here doesn't know that. Because your internet is shit in Kolkata, and you were too busy dealing with Pakistan BTFO out of your 5th rate military to care to keep up with Ukraine - until you started getting paid to shill for Russia, that is.
>>64356454/pol/ told you that, not /k/.
>>64356461>May I see these destroyed Patriot systems
>>64356461>The Patriot PAC-3 has been able to intercept the Storm II Target Test Missile that uses a Pershing II's Maneuvering Reentry Vehicle (MaRV) traveling at mach 5+, while maneuvering, in terminal phase since the 1990s.There is a great difference between an incoming that uses small course change manuvers to stay on course and an incoming that uses major course change manuvers to make calculating an interception point more difficult. The russians have reprogrammed their missiles to stop doing the former and start doing the latter. This is why patriot effiency has dropped, which you would know, if you had read the link. The solution is a better pac-3 and possibly smarter interception software.
>>64356322You BBC loving literal faggot. KYS, you disgusting sub-human freak.
>>64356466It was on /k/, because I don't go to /pol/Ever.But I will agree if you say /k/ has an atrocious crossboard problem
>>64356322THE MANDICKSUCKER SHOWS UP! GO BACK TO SUCKING MANDICKS, YOU GOT NOTHING FOR US XAXAXAXAAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAXAAAA!!!!!!!
>>64356478>he russians have reprogrammed their missiles to stop doing the former and start doing the latter.i'm sure russians reprogrammed the laws of physics that make this possible too, after all your pidor metodichka said so
>>64356440sorry I didn't know about their contributions to the Boris Johnson cloning vats >.<
>>64354624What refinery blew up this time?
>>64356461I don't think we have to try and claim that the Patriot is near perfect, if it's flaws are shown then there's room for improvement. Better now than against an opening salvo from China on Guam.
>>64356478>There is a great difference between an incoming that uses small course change manuvers to stay on courseMaRVs don't make small corrections to stay on course. The sole purpose is to maneuver during the terminal phase to make it harder to intercept, not to improve accuracy. Learn what you're talking about, Ramdeep Dikshit.>and an incoming that uses major course change manuvers to make calculating an interception point more difficult.No, all that is going to do is slow that missile down substantially, and make it easier to intercept. Kinzhal has a terminal velocity of less than mach 3.2 when not maneuvering in terminal phase. Making it maneuver like a spastic will only slow it down, and cause its already atrocious CEP to get worse.>The russians have reprogrammed their missiles to stop doing the former and start doing the latter. How is that, when the Kinzhal and Iskander are tail controlled quasi ballistic missiles with a non separating warhead? They're not physically capable of high G maneuvering in terminal phase. For one, their INS isn't fast enough, not accurate enough to control high G erratic maneuvers, nor is it fast enough to make the needed corrections to keep the Kinzhal and Iskander on course doing said maneuvers. Two, at terminal phase, the Iskander and Kinzhal are unpowered and gliding to their target. They use small tail fins to maneuver for course correction, and are unable to make high G turns.>This is why patriot effiency has dropped, which you would know, if you had read the link.You haven't posted a link, you posted a cropped screenshot from a nameless site quoting the FT which is paywalled and about financial info. FT is not, and never will be, a reliable source on military equipment.>The solution is a better pac-3 and possibly smarter interception software.Why, when they already are able to intercept MaRVs traveling at mach 5. You're retarded sourceless propaganda vatnig propaganda doesn't make it any less true.
>>64356510>I don't think we have to try and claim that the Patriot is near perfectI don't think we need to act like sourceless Russian propaganda is fact.>if it's flaws are shown then there's room for improvement.May I see the proof of these flaws, please? Why do you always type like a clueless woman? Seriously, it's fucking weird. You're obviously either a faggot, or a troon from the way you speak.
>>64356510That would be thaad, patriot is obsolete
>>64356480>At night a car brought water and bread>BREADZigger logistics is something else, that has to be on purpose, no one is actually that retarded..right ? right ?
>>64356536>patriot is obsoleteNo it's not. Which is why the Army just upgraded it with the 360 degree LTAMDS radar that doubled the interception range of the PAC-3 MSE. And it's also why the US Navy has started buying PAC-3 MSE to put on their ships.https://www.rtx.com/raytheon/what-we-do/integrated-air-and-missile-defense/ltamds
>>64356552Molded bread*Nope, they're 100% that retarded and even more corrupt.
>>64356558What's wrong with the mold? Penicillin is made from it, so basically you can rub it in your wound.
>>64354677>Is there a way for the patriot system to counter the new missile trajectories?no they come down dead vertical over the top where the tracker/seeker cant see it
>>64356506Kstov refineryalso, the Technopolis industrial zone in Moscow
>>64356573>no they come down dead vertical over the top where the tracker/seeker cant see itOh, they do? May I see them doing this? Since Russia has been having so much success with Kinzhal and Islander I'm sure they have countless videos of them BTFOing Patriot systems for the obvious propaganda, no? NATO countries have ordered so many Patriot systems and interceptors, since their success in Ukraine, there's years long waiting lists to get them. What better way to BTFO NATO and show them their orders are a waste and won't stop Kinzhal and Iskander than to have verifiable video proof of Patriot not being able to intercept Kinzhal and Iskander? It would also BTFO US MIC, and stop countries from ordering more Patriot systems and interceptor, and cause them to cancel their previous orders. Don't tell me Russia isn't taking advantage of this. Ever since the NKVD external propaganda has been their bread and butter, and they ALWAYS take every chance they're given to use something as external propaganda. Russia not having countless videos of Kinzhal and Iskander making Patriot systems fail to intercept them, and Russia not plastering them all over the internet 24/7 tells me that Kinzhal and Iskander aren't BTFOing Patriot systems, and the actual propaganda effort is what we see now trying to make people believe it's true. This is Russia's counter to Ukraine destroying 30%+ of their oil refineries that's causing shortages at Russian gas stations, them banning oil exports, and having to import oil from China. What a sad fucking propaganda effort it is.
>>64356423Holy shit this is amazing fucking cope lmao
>>64354677The issue is having enough patriot batteries. Ukraine is pretty big for a the small number of them ukies have.
>>64356618>Oh, they do? May I see them doing this?Its visible in the intercept videos from ukraine, the ukie patriots go straight up in the sky and then you see booms, the khinzal/iskanders that arent intercepted arrive in a 90 degree dive straight down. You are a typical uuh-raah moron american that does not even understand the basics of physics yet insist that your uninformed know nothing opinion is as valid as anyone else.
>>64356529This is just amerimutt shit for brains uuu-rah bullshit, you dont understand that the patriot missile isnt chasing the khinzal, its chasing the interception point, a place in space where it will crash into the khinzal. When the khinzal starts to manuver, the interception point jumps a kilometer or two sideways, and the patriot now has to change course, and burn delta-v doing so, and then then interception point changes again when the khinzal does another manuver, and then when intercept happens the delta-v starved patriot misses the khinzal by 100 meters and goes boom without causing any damage. The khinzal is diving straight down from 30 000 meters gaining energy while the patriot is climing from 0 meters losing energy every second.
>>64356568You have to save it cumrade, for nazi Americans want to steal our precious resources.
>>64356698>Its visible in the intercept videos from ukraine, the ukie patriots go straight up in the sky and then you see booms, the khinzal/iskanders that arent intercepted arrive in a 90 degree dive straight down.postem then
>>64356698>Its visible in the intercept videos from ukraineMay I see them? All that seething and you could've taken that time to post actual videos. What pathetic cope from an inferior sub-human. Those gas stations have fuel yet?
>>64356725>being scared of a 3-daylmao you're hilariousare you this new to shilling that you dont even know how to ban evade?(((they))) are not sending their best
>>64356698>uuh-raah>>64356721>uuh-raahMay I see these Kinzhals zigzagging through the air?
>>64356725>its an instant 3-day ban to post the evidence you request you disingenuous little shitPosting evidence of Kinzhals and Iskanders evading Patriot interceptors is ban worthy? What kinda fucking cope is this? Also, your WebM is from the start of the war before the US gave Ukraine Patriot systems, and is a literal pig farm. KEK. Stop your coping bullshit and post proof, or fuck off back to leftypol.
>>64356721You know that the Patriot and PAC-3 were designed for terminal ICBM interception, right? It's an ABM. Kinzhal is the exact kind of shit it was built to deal with, and for some strange reason I don't think a fucking firmware update is going to be able to radically change that fact.
>>64356840Post Total Patriot Death, ziganonIt should be easy, right? Just do it.No excuses.No weasel words.No "umm but ackshaully"Just post the fucking proofs
>>64356840>airmenOh, it’s THIS zigger schizo.
>>64356840oh you're the afb shillhate to break it to you buddy but I dont work at EglinIm not even American for that matterwe have so much in common!but I think thats also where our similarities endbecause you do this to make ends meet in your thirdie shithole whereas I do this as a form of relaxation on a Sunday nightbut Im feeling generous, so how about thistell me where you're from, so I can visit sometimeI'll fuck your women, because no thirdie woman can resist the white man's seedand I'll throw you some one eurocent coins, like I would breadcrumbs for the pigeonsdeal?
>>64356919I just need a yes or no buddythe ball is in your court
>>64356933>>64356904Its just the helmettard off on his active phase, dont mind him just carry on and laugh at the lolcow.
>>64354659everyone knows what you're doing man
>>64356840>airmenThis isn't plebbit, my retarded shill fren. There's literally zero evidence Eglin shills this shithole, but, there is evidence FSB/GRU shills in the Lakhta building do. Funny how you faggots ALWAYS project.
>>64356890See: >>64357021Yeah, until you faggot FSB/GRU shills that can only seethe showed up. Can you show me any proof of Eglin being caught shilling on 4Chinz? No, your schizo thoughts aren't going to cut it as proofs.
>>64356919>>64357021>>64357033Why can I post countless proofs of Russian government paid shills shilling on 4Chinz, but all you can do is seethe and schizo post about Eglin with zero proofs? Maybe because it's all fucking projection, like usual. Every accusation from you vatnig shills is an admission.
>>64356466No /pol/ would say that trump is going to hand ukraine to russia since it's rightful Russian clay and ukraine is run by nazi jews
>>64357053Hol up, helmettard, I thought I was the nooooticer, and yet this is my first post today.
>>64357071Soooo, no, then? Why can I show you literal Kremlin paid shills on 4Chinz, but, you can't show me one Eglin shill? Funny that...
>>64357047It sure do get quiet whenever engels gets bombed tho
>>64357118>Turns to shitposting when BTFOKWAB
These last few weeks definitely were rough on a zigger's mental health. Even helmetnigger has to unmask himself to seethe
>>64357132Maybe some day you'll realize we all know it's you, not because we're all working for the US Air Force (for some reason??) but because of all the sassy .gifs you keep posting.
>>64357132>see-you-soon-bye.gifhttps://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/filename/see-you-soon-bye.gif/>ID:AlaBsA5+https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/uid/AlaBsA5%2B/>I am not pro-russia in the slightest but damnYou're obviously an inbred shitskin, which all support Russia.
>>64357132> I am not pro-russia>EglinUh huh. Pull the other one zigger, it’s got bells on.
>>64354624Russians get caught lying again.Not a big surprisehttps://web.archive.org/web/20110622221120/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K720_IskanderAt this point it safe to assume that anything Russian says is always a lie.
Based jannies
>>64357231see >>64355306Ukrainians are reporting this themselves
>>64357456>Ukrainians are reporting this themselvesNo they're not.
>>64357468are we going to go around in circles of me giving you evidence of my claim, and you denying it without even having looked at that evidence? Ok then, whatever helps you sleep at night.
>>64357474>of me giving you evidence of my claimYou haven't. Your article isn't a source. It quotes the FT article as a source, which is just circular sourcing. Post the FT article which is the actual source.>>64355306>the Financial Times reported, citing Western and Ukrainian officials.>According to the paper’s sources>Russia has likely modified>has likely>the FT reported.>The report noted >the report saidSee, all it does is keep quoting the FT article as a source, without proving any actual proof. Post the FT article. You HAVE read it, haven't you? You don't just blindly believe an article quoting another article without actual proof, do you?
>>64357487Ukrainska pravda is literally a Ukrainian news outlet, I said that the article was reported by Ukrainians and it literally is. Now whether or not Ukrainian military officials really said the things that they were QUOTED as saying in that Ukrainian article, I don't know, the UKRAINIAN news article claims that they really did.
>>64357504>Pravda>UkrainianCome on, now. So, you haven't even read the FT article this info supposedly comes from? lol lmao even.
>>64357509>>Pravda>>Ukrainian>Come on, now.What are you implying?>So, you haven't even read the FT article this info supposedly comes from?I haven't. If you wanted to challenge the claims made in the Ukrainska pravda or the FT article, then you're certainly welcome to do so. I haven't looked at primary sources for patriot systems losses in Ukraine, and both the Ukrainska pravda and the FT articles could end up being wrong about that. Still doesn't change the fact that Ukrainian journalists ARE writing articles about those alleged patriot system losses.
>>64357525>What are you implying?That Pravda id a Russian owned Kremlin outlet. So, you just blindly believe bullshit because it fits your narrative and head cannon. Got it. Don't act like you're not OP, and are just a neutral party passing on information...
>>64357539> That Pravda id a Russian owned Kremlin outletPravda =/= Ukrainian Pravda.
>>64357557Yeah, sure...
>>64357563Did you know that the London Times and the New York Times are not the same newspaper either?Shocking truth.
>>64357500>>64357504>Vatnik shill pretending to be retarded and not understanding that Ukrainska pravda is just reposting the FT.Meanwhile, in the real world, here's the report of the Ukrainian Air Force on last night's attack:>496 Shahed (439 shot down).>2 Kinzhal (1 shot down).>42 Kh-101 (32 shot down).>9 Kalibr (6 shot down).>t.me/kpszsu/43959And here's an example of UA media follow-ups on the FT article:>According to the aviation expert, leading employee of the National Aviation University Valery Romanenko [...] the FT made shit up because they're journos that know fuckall about weapons and warfare.<www.unian.net/weapons/pvo-ukrainy-pochemu-vozdushnym-silam-stalo-slozhnee-sbivat-iskandery-i-kinzhaly-13151031.html
Jesus this thread. What blew up?
>>64357573No REALLY!?! Did they also get raided by the Ukrainian SBU for using Russian GRU spyware like Ukraine Pravda's owner Dragon Capital did?https://www.rferl.org/a/ukrainian-police-raid-dragon-capital-bank-draws-dismay-hroysman/28454313.htmlOr by the Ukrainian Ukraine’s Economic Security Bureau (ESB) for tax evasion?https://english.nv.ua/business/dragon-capital-is-concerned-with-growing-pressure-on-its-business-50421435.htmlWhy SHOULD I trust them, exactly?
>>64356420The PAC-3 has that already.
>>64354624You being brown and believing this.
Every day a Russian refinery is being hit
>Russia can finally trick 1990s package Patriot systemsConsidering software updates are crucial for missile defenses I'm not surprised the old ones can be tricked.
>>64360778I hear this every day for a year now.
>>64360989Exactly. Russia took Kyiv in a month after glorious VDV won every fight.
>>64360989True, we should be reading more reliable sources, like RIA Novosti
>no Intel Slava Zlots of info the Wect is trying to бury
>>64360989What a subhuman steppenigger. Imagine claiming ukrainian infographics are not accurrate, without any worthwhile evidence or argument, out of sheer butthurt that Russia is losing.
>>64355490I fucking hate those bullshit mission objectives
>>64361735The real reason the push to Kyiv failed was Russia tried to be clever and insert a force at the airport secondary objective, but it triggered scripted spawns of territorial defence militias and reservists that weren't really meant to fire until later in the mission. That and their unit pathing sucks. They tried to move a police van a few metres and it decided it had to follow main roads all the way around to the other location, which is why it got got in the city. Later they got fed up and tried to attack-move their whole force into Kyiv and it just turned into one big traffic jam.
>>64361735I get the idea behind them, but yeah, they always incentivized turtling or cheesy bullshit to avoid instantly losing.
>>64357456see >>64357231>https://web.archive.org/web/20110622221120/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K720_IskanderRussians were preaching that Iskander is maneuvering missile at least since 2011 and this is somehow big news today?Goldfish memory. BTFO by superior American technology of web.archive.
Of the number of Patriot missiles fired, how many of them have intercepted their target? Thats all I want to know. It's hundreds of comments in without the most elementary data.
>>64362628You mean the Pk? idk the specifics in current year but they're using only 1 or 2 missiles per interception because they simply can't spend more. One obvious problem with non-ballistic trajectories is that it makes harder to estimate the landing zone earlier and discriminate if it needs to be intercepted.
>>64362628Ukrainian military official reports that only 6% of patriot interceptors fired in September actually intercepted their targets.Again, article comes from UKRAINIAN news outlet Ukrainska pravda. Some burgers in this thread have a had time believing that slavic languages can share words. https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/10/05/8001350/
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>>64362751https://www.ft.com/content/078b8e70-a58c-47cc-b573-598850dd5685>Months of devastating Russian air attacks suggest Moscow has succeeded in altering its missiles to evade Ukraine’s air defences, according to Ukrainian and western officials.>Bombardments that targeted Ukrainian drone makers this summer were a prominent example of Russia improving its ballistic missiles to better defeat US Patriot batteries, current and former Ukrainian and western officials told the Financial Times.>Russia was likely to have modified its Iskander-M mobile system, which launches missiles with an estimated range of up to 500km, as well as Kinzhal air-launched ballistic missiles, which can fly up to 480km, they added.>The missiles now follow a typical trajectory before diverting and plunging into a steep terminal dive or executing manoeuvres that “confuse and avoid” Patriot interceptors.>It is a “game-changer for Russia”, said one former Ukrainian official. With Kyiv also contending with slower deliveries of air defence interceptors from the US, the missile campaign has destroyed key military facilities and critical infrastructure ahead of winter.>Ukraine’s ballistic missile interception rate improved over the summer, reaching 37 per cent in August, but it plummeted to 6 per cent in September, despite fewer launches, according to public Ukrainian air force data compiled by the London-based Centre for Information Resilience and analysed by the Financial Times.
>>64354624These unstoppable Russian missiles are going to get dubbed as The Flying Rape
>>64362840TL;DR it doesn't actually say that 6% of Patriot interceptors fired in September actually intercepted their targets;it says that 6% ballistic missiles fired into Ukraine in September were intercepted.
>>64362840>Ukraine’s air force on Wednesday reported all four Iskander-M missiles fired overnight had eluded the country’s defences and hit their targets.>At least four drone-making plants in and around Kyiv were badly damaged by missiles this summer, said current and former Ukrainian officials. This included a strike on August 28 on a facility producing Turkish Bayraktar drones, according to public posts by local officials.>Two missiles launched in that attack appeared to have targeted the offices of a company designing and producing components for drone systems, said two officials briefed on the incident. The Russian projectiles eluded Ukrainian air defences and also damaged the offices of the EU delegation and British Council, which were located nearby.>The Patriot interceptors are the only ones in Kyiv’s arsenal capable of shooting down Russian ballistic missiles. Moscow’s cruise missiles can be taken down with less sophisticated air defences, but the updates have made it harder to do so, according to the officials.>A western official briefed on Patriot performance data said the first indication of an upgrade to the Russian missiles was a marked drop in interception rates.>They said a “pattern” had emerged in which incoming missiles behaved differently in their “terminal phase”, veering from their previously established engagement settings.
>>64362857>The official’s assessment is supported by a report compiled by the US Defense Intelligence Agency’s special inspector general that covers the period of April 1 to June 30.>The report said Ukraine’s armed forces had “struggled to consistently use Patriot air defence systems to protect against Moscow’s ballistic missiles because of recent Russian tactical improvements, including enhancements that enable their missiles to change trajectory and perform manoeuvres rather than flying in a traditional ballistic trajectory”.>It cited a Russian attack on June 28 that included seven ballistic missiles, of which Ukraine shot down only one, and a barrage on July 9 — at the time the largest air assault since the start of the war — that included 13 missiles, of which the Kyiv downed or suppressed 7.>Ukraine shared Patriot engagement data with the Pentagon and the air defence system’s US manufacturers, said the western and Ukrainian officials. Virginia-based Raytheon makes the Patriot system, while Maryland-based Lockheed Martin produces the system’s interceptor missiles. The data is used to make updates needed to keep pace with Russia’s adjustments, but one official said those improvements often lagged behind Moscow’s evolving tactics.>Sergiy Kyslytsya, Ukraine’s first deputy foreign minister, told the FT “the Russians continue to significantly upgrade their Iskander and other missiles’ technology”. He stressed the need for Kyiv’s partners to choke off flows of western-made components to Russia, including via China.>Ukraine’s defence ministry and air force did not respond to requests for comment.
>>64362862>Analysts said software adjustments were likely to be the reason behind the Russian missiles’ increased effectiveness. Fabian Hoffmann, a missile researcher at the University of Oslo, said manufacturers routinely mined interception data to improve performance. Russia, he said, appeared to be doing this.>The Iskander-M “can manoeuvre quite aggressively in the terminal stage”, he noted. Rather than costly hardware changes, tweaks to guidance systems could instruct a missile to execute a quick manoeuvre just before hitting the target and then dive steeply, complicating the Patriot’s tracking and engagement ability.>“A steeper terminal trajectory, that’s something you can programme in the missile,” Hoffman said.>Ukraine and Russia were “playing an adaptability game” when it came to their weapons technology, he said. But there was also a cat-and-mouse game being played in trying to destroy each other’s weapons systems.>Kinzhal missiles are launched from Moscow’s strategic bombers or fighter jets out of reach of Ukraine’s air defences. Russia’s mobile Iskander missile launchers were also difficult for Kyiv to take out, Hoffmann said.>Ukraine’s Patriot air defence systems, which consist of a radar, control station and launchers that are transported on trucks or trailers, are also mobile. Some of them have been targeted and damaged after months of sustained Russian attacks, meaning the country’s layered air-defence architecture has thinned.>Specialist personnel trained on the Patriot systems are also a target, among them Lieutenant Colonel Denys Sakun, chief engineer of an anti-aircraft missile unit in Kyiv’s 96th Brigade. He had helped set up systems credited with what Kyiv said was the world’s first downing of a Russian Kh-47M Kinzhal missile.End.
>>64362751>Ukrainian military official reports that only 6% of patriot interceptors fired in September actually intercepted their targets.Nothing you have linked actually says this
>>64356419More like claiming that armor is useless because the enemy can just see you have it, give up on hurting you and shoot at someone else instead.
>>64356848>You know that the Patriot and PAC-3 were designed for terminal ICBM interception, right?No they werent. Their performance is far far far below what is required for terminal ICBM interception. An ICBM warhead comes down at about 7900 meters per second when it hits the upper atmosphere. It will spend a couple of seconds inside the pac-3s interception envelope. Your post was a typical UUUHHHMMERICA UUUUHH RAAAHH post written by a demented boomer.
>>64363356>UUUHHHMMERICA UUUUHH RAAAHH>>64356758>Stll seething 24 hours laterlollmao even
>>64354774>the other 94% evaded the patriot system and hit their targets>hit their targets
>>64362751>>64362678The numbers, Mason. 1. How many Patriot missiles have been fired in a given timeframe that is relevant?2. Of those missiles, how many intercepted a target missile? Two numbers. No fucking walls of text. No misreading of reports and arguing over what everyone feels like it's like. Without those two numbers this whole thread is pointless
>Goes up against Patriots. >Gets mindbrokenMany such cases, maybe you should stick to soccer lil ESL bro.
