How Japans military stack up to china?
yeah
the japs have lithium battery submarines
>>64360811Don't japs need like ten years to learn how to wash rice? No way they're making passable Italian food in ten minutes.
>>64360811More competent but much much smallerat it's current size is is dependent on US backing them upAs intended
>>64361162>I went to Japan for the Italian food and was disappointed!
>>64361226/threadJapan would inflict significant loses but without US intervention they wouldn't hold out for long.
>>64361227Who are you quoting?
>>64361227Ok so yeah italian food in Japan just isnt very good, it turns out you actually do need some practice to make the sauce right
I thought >>64361232 was replying to >>64361227 on first glance. Now I'm disappointed when I see the reality
>>64361241Yes but what about putting a piece of raw fish on cold rice? That takes true culinary skill baka gajin
>>64361162They probably are, Italian food is dogshit. I've had authentic Italian pizza cooked by real dagos several times and its either been a burnt tortilla with 3 raw tomatos on it or some sourdough drowned in oil with not nearly enough cheese. The less authentic Italian food is, the better, hence why the commercial American pizza style has been exported to all 4 corners of the globe while the "real" ginzo pizza is relegated to specialty shitholes that have to lean on faggy credentialism to trick people into buying it.
>>64361241>Ok so yeah italian food in Japan just isnt very goodIt's streets ahead of Italian food in China.I've tried both, I became a decent pizza chef because I couldn't get any edible pizza in the tier 2 Chinese city I lived in.
>>64361226>much smaller as intendedThey can't get any bigger given budgetary and demographic constraints. Japan simply can't compete directly with China in a all out conventional conflict
>>64361280Have you ever even been outside the US?
>>64360811>Lecipes>Demoglaphics Nips don't pronounce L you fucking retard.
>>64361345Yes I've been to Hawaii two times
>>64361453that's the Kingdom of Hawaiʻi for you burgeranon
>>64361379Getting his Asians confused, vely shamefur. For those wondering, Japs mix Ls with Rs and Chinks mix Rs with Ls, makes me wonder if a chink/jap mix would speak right or somehow fuck up harder
>>64361146>dive into a Chinese harbor>set the thing on firegreat success.
>>64361379Morons on the internet think nips swap the pronunciation of L and R, instead of just being unable to pronounce L and making R sounds instead. I don't know why people think this but they do.
>>64360811some retard actually wracked his brain on how to answer the 'no mexicans, no mexican food!' argument then made this stupid meme.
>>64361482Arr rook same.
>>64361478>Chinks mix Rs with LsThat's not even consistent within China, northerners have no problem with Rs, coastal southerners have no problem with Ls.
>UHHH YOUR RACIAL STEREOTYPE ISN'T ACCURATE!yeah, its a stereotype.
>>64361485If a retard can destroy multiculturalism arguements then its a shit idea.
>>64361530If retards seem smart to you then maybe you're also retarded.
>>64361500Well that's because there's like a dozen different versions of "Chinese" that the party kludged together to make modern Mandarin. We westerners often forget how huge China is and how diverse it can get, no thanks to CCP/ Han propaganda
>>64361500Northerners have no problems with either, cantonese has the issue, and cantonese speakers were the main chinese westerners interacted with from the 1500s to like 2010 so the stereotype persists
>>64361514some stereotypes are true>despite making up 13%...>>64361478chinks are just lazy, they can pronounce anything right if they put their minds to itt. chink>>64361500>northernersdon't even speak their own mandarin right>>64361241more accurately, Japs unashamedly japanising beam any cuisine they come across. if they wanted to they could autistically make Italian pizza THE ITALIAN WAY (and some do)but most of the time they don't give a damn if their pizza is modified for local tastes and they still call it pizza>>64361269ironic for you to say that, since both the so-called glorious Italian cuisine and sushi rely on just one (1) critically essential factor: the best and freshest ingredients money can buyItalian cooking is nothing special, other than this>noodles and olive oil :|>finest fresh handmade al dente noodles and finest olive oil :O
>>64361530listen man you're just gonna have to deal with the fact that more is expected out of you as a white guy.
>>64361514>noooo you must be able to differentiate vs these yellow manlets who like rice and karate vs these yellow manlets who like rice and karate!
>>64361534You're dumb I said if an idiot can poke holes in an idea the idea is stupid.>>64361552I do and get paid more as a result.
>>64361544>glorious Italian cuisine and sushi rely on just one (1) critically essential factorOne relies on actually cooking the food lmao. Have another dog testicle or whatever you people eat.
the best pizza i've ever had from anywhere on earth was a place in some random tokyo alley called maple. served by the most italian looking japanese man ive ever seen
>>64361552True but paradoxically you also have to prove yourself less. If you're white and tall you're always welcome and treated well wherever you go. If you're a jeet no one wants you close.
>>64361562rocky mountain oysters and sweetbreads are good, anon>dogbit overrated>One relies on actually cooking the foodItalians themselves will tell you the freshness and quality of the ingredients matters a lotand as I implied above, you can try Italian-style cooking with regular ingredients and the results are disappointing>>64361564>most italian looking japanese man ive ever seenif he was swarthy and hirsute maybe he had a lot of Ainu blood
>>64361564That how I feel about my pizza place> best pizza made by the most Italian of races: the ArmeniansI live like 2 mins from them and been serving me for 20 years.I'm gonna cry when they are gone
>>64361478>makes me wonder if a chink/jap mix would speak rightits not genetic you dumb idiot
>>64361665Wrong, everyone knows you're just born with your parent's accents. Anytime you see an Asian person speaking with a normal accent you're speaking to a communist infiltrator that's been trained to perfectly mimic our speech
>>64361537>cantonese speakers were the main chinese westerners interacted with from the 1500s to like 2010 so the stereotype persistsYeah, that's about right.There was a time, up to late 80s I guess, when Cantonese and 2nd/3rd/7th generation descendents of Cantonese were the only large groups of Chinese in the west.The Tiananmen Square massacre led to a lot of Chinese students from all over staying in the west instead of returning and that probably changed things a lot.
>>64361560>You're dumb I said if an idiot can poke holes in an idea the idea is stupid.If you thought that idiot poked a hole in the idea then you're stupid.
>>64361478I just flip them because I dont care unless im looking for strange
>>64361162Anyone can make passable Italian food in 10min. Italian really doesn't have a high skill ceiling. Only autistic Americans of Italian heritage like to pretend it's complicated to prepare.
>>64361269Sushi is less difficult but it is very specialized, Italian food really demands excellence in technique but if you do it wrong you end up with comfort food. For example Cacio e pepe is really difficult to get right because every step has to be perfectly portioned and timed. If you get it wrong though you end up with Kraft mac&cheese, so you screwed up but you still have something nice to eat.
West taiwan failed to invade Vietnam twice.
>>64360811speaking of Italian Pizza in Japan, Paolo from Tokyo has a recent youtube video of it. Owner of the restaurant actually went to Italy to train to make Italian Pizza.
>>64361835nothing to do with Tiananmenwe Cantonese have by long tradition been the most entrepreneurial of the various chinese; to this day Guangzhou is still the richest province of China, as it has been for centuries. we fled to the West in pursuit of trading markets and the hope of a life under a regime which better appreciated merchants and artisans. the other chinese peoples tended to prefer to stay and fight it out.now however Communist China has steadily tightened its grip and snuffed out the unique chinese sub-ethnicities and sub-cultures, while also growing much richer in the 21st century, so Cantonese is dying steadily and Northern cultures (especially from Szechuan and Shanghai) are becoming much more widespread.
>>64361241>need some practice to make the sauce rightJust buy it in a jar baka
>>64361574As a pastanon I can confirm, the italian culinary purists can put Isis to shame with how intransigent they are. True pizza is made only with a specific kind of tomato, grown only in a specific area (someone was sued over this, and you can get beaten for trying to have someone have a taste of pineapple pizza in naples), plus ton of other rules. They truly believe that the recipes came down from above, and are perfect and immutable (as if half of the ingredients did not come from America). They wont even taste new combinations. I believe we are mentally prisoners of a past that was more glorious than our present. It gets to my nerves when someone eats like It Is a porn or something
>>64362053Italian cooking technique IS good however. it's my preferred style as I find French too intricate, and has many similarities with traditional chinese cooking, because the basics are the basics.
>>64361978>Italian really doesn't have a high skill ceilingIt definitely can but if what you know about Italian cuisine is the menu at Olive Garden, you probably don't have a high opinion of it.Italy has a wide variety of cuisines, two Italians won't even agree on what their cuisine is unless they're from the same town.Loads of dishes have a high skill ceiling, you just don't get those at Italian-American restaurants and definitely not in any recognisable form at a chain restaurant or pizza parlour.
>>64362103Pastanon again. Italy Is nice because you can eat good for cheap, in france the best food i had was at an indian restaurant lol. They make good desserts and thats Is. I do believe they have some fucked up gene that allows them to taste the pain. Between foie grais and eating oysters alive. Look up what and ortolan Is, It Is so fucked up It puts japanese to shame. Spain cusine is underrated
>>64362103Moreover there are three Italian cousines: a northern one with a lot of pig, more linked to Central Europe, a souther one with lamb and fish as the main dish, this Is the internationally known italian cousine, and Is linked to the arab one via their centuries of domination (expecially in Sicily), and the core italian cousine in the center with cow as the main course. Up until Ssxty years ago people in the North did not eat pasta nor used olive oil.
>>64362257Is it true they eat songbirds up in the north? I remember hearing that once and initially thought it was so weird since they're so small and lacking meat, then I remembered the squirrel chili I had in the fridge and realized it's not about how much meat there is but how you make it
>>64361842You clearly can't refute it dummy, its why you keep attacking people and not the idea. Seriously how are you unable to understand that food isn't genetic and you don't need foreigners to make foreign food?
>>64362298Yes, boomer stuff they carry on from when there was food scarcity, but some young hillbilly still does that. Can be very illegal depending on the species. You remove the feathers and entrails, fill with lard and spices, and eat them bones and all, and the head Is supposedly the tastier. Tried a couple of times, nothing extraordinary.
>>64362025>we Cantonese have by long tradition been the most entrepreneurial of the various chineseYou won't like it but the Hoklo have you beat. Just by a little.The Wenzhou diaspora aren't far behind either, they've long had a tradition of sending second sons out into the world to open trading businesses, restaurants and whatever, wherever Chinese settle.Guangxi aren't very far culturally from Cantonese though, quite similar peoples and I've spent quite a bit of time in both provinces including culturally old Cantonese cities like Foshan.>Northern cultures (especially from Szechuan and Shanghai)Just how north do you think Sichuan is?>nothing to do with TiananmenYou missed the point.Tiananmen (and related oppression) is the reason why Mandarin speaking Chinese had a second wave of emigration, which established a new Chinese identity in the west.
>over 50 posts later>mostly talking about foodWell, we know what the "k" in /ck/ is now
>>64362404>Well, we know what the "k" in /ck/ is nowAn army marches on its stomach.
>>64362424If I'm not able to drink a good meal is the only thing keeping me going in a shitty environment.
>>64360811Smaller force and industrial output. Without outside intervention china can gain air and naval supremacy but wouldn't be able to take the island. Japan would still give them a bloody nose
>>64362471China would end up dying in a hurricane.Then they'll try it again and die in a hurricane.
>>64362229I know about ortolans. what's wrong with that? not far from squab and quail>>64362257>Up until Ssxty years ago people in the North did not eat pasta nor used olive oil.huhTIL>>64362357>HokloHokkien, aka Fujian>beatdollar figures still holdbut yeah they are good neighbours. if the chinese are the "Jews of Asia", the Hokkiens are almost the "Jews of China"(almost, not quite)>Just how north do you think Sichuan is?hah!the Cantonese attitude to them is like Home Counties towards Mancunians and Yorkshiremen i.e. fookin norf bastards>Tiananmen (and related oppression) is the reason why Mandarin speaking Chinese had a second wave of emigrationI do not think soIMHO the 2nd wave occurred in the 21st century over a decade after Tiananmen when China grew immensely richerin the 00s PRCs could barely afford to travel overseas, let alone emigrate, which costs a lot of money(if you don't do it the beaner way, that is...)
>>64362565>the Hokkiens are almost the "Jews of China"Chinese literally call the Wenzhou real-estate speculators/investors "the Jews of China" and blame them for current apartment prices.>the Cantonese attitude to them is like Home Counties towards Mancunians and Yorkshiremen i.e. fookin norf bastardsActually I partially retract that criticism, I looked at a map and Chengdu/Chongqing are on about the same latitude as Shanghai, in my head they're far west but they're north-west at best from Guangzhou.I lived in the far north so it was all kind of southern to me.>IMHO the 2nd wave occurred in the 21st century over a decade after Tiananmen2nd, 3rd, whatever.There were a lot of students who didn't go home after Tiananmen, I watched it happen in realtime when my government gave blanket permission for all current chinese students to request political asylum.
>>64362565The method of production and consumption. Eating a small bird is nothing but wearing a napkin to hide the act from God implies you know you're doing something fucked up
>>64360811>/k/>90% of the replies are arguing about Italian food
>>64364325You're right, it's really stupid and off topic.Beans in chili, yes or no? I say yes because beans taste good and chili tastes good and there's no reason not to have them together
>>64361146what happens when you fart really badly inside a submarine?
>>64364495It doesn't matter, they already smell like farts
>>64364516no, i mean like a really bad one, like you almost shit yourself in the shower type bad
>>64364325/ck/ and /an/ are kindred spirits, as is /out/ if they could ever have a decent conversation
>>64364542>i mean like a really bad oneDid anon stutter?
>>64362025Shanghai is less "northern" in culture, they're getting strangled to death by the fuckers in Beijing too complete with lingustic and cultural destruction in the same vein as Cantonese is being targeted.
>>64364661>>64362593yeah bear in mind I'm just telling prewar memes lol so this is the equivalent of ranting about Sherman and Jackson and damn Yankeesno doubt modern China has different vibes
>>64361280Doesn't sound like the ones I had in Italy. The primary thing you're supposed to enjoy is the bread itself, anything else is just extra stuff meant to enhance the bread. If the bread sucks then the pizza will suck. There's also way more focus on sauce when it comes to toppings, and it's both acceptable and expected to use a fork and knife to eat it.American pizza's focus is on the toppings, so the bread can be anything. Almost anything anyway, Little Caesar's is bad precisely because the bread is awful and nothing on top remotely makes up for it. It's also finger food so only the most autistic fucks like me will eat it with silverware.
>>64364696My absolutely ancient family still rants about the Northern barbaric war loving horseback riders (who have no economic talent themselves but freeride off the wealth of others) being the fools in charge of the nation. In a way, they're not wrong with the retardedness of Wolf Warrior Diplomacy.>mfw tim---history is a flat circle for china
>>64364744This sort of thing is exactly why I don't worry that much about "muh Russians and Chinese will take over whole world!" talk. Talking to people from around the world makes me realize that they're just as badly divided as we are. Younger gens were fucked over by the older ones too, perhaps not the same way everywhere as the Boomening here but enough that everyone has this bleak angry outlook on the future no matter who it is I speak to.It really just feels like the entire world is going rot down until all our nations collapse like dominoes one after the other, then we have to scrape our way back from square one.
>>64365756That's the thing, if China or Russia actually gained a World Power status they aren't set up so politicians can just get stock market insight and become multimillionaires and a lot of the underlings would start backstabbing eachother for power.
>>64361379>>64361478
>>64365786>I don't care if Tokyo Joe can't pronounce an L or if Chinaman Chang can't produce the letter R. I came here for some Eye-Talian bbq and I'll bet either are better cooks than Hanks wife. Not that it's her fault, Hank makes her cook with a gasoline grill instead of charcoal like some sort of New York peacenik hippie. Fat neck keeps the oxygen from reaching his brian! He ain't right!
>>64365786Cotton was able to figure out asian ethnicity by simply looking, his racism levels were impressive
>>64360811i like saizeriya
>>64364495it would be extremely painful
>>64360811On the one hand Japs suck objectively, they're low testosterone and bugmen don't have a good grasp of modern warfare. On the other hand the Han haven't defeated a foreign army in 500 years, have never succeeded in a contested landing, and 80% of their navy is fishing ships with mortars bolted on.The Chinese could collapse the Japanese economy and society in a day, but couldn't control the island after a year and a million dead.
>>64368177>On the one hand Japs suck objectively, they're low testosterone and bugmen don't have a good grasp of modern warfare.**invents carrier tactics**
>>64364325I'm actually enjoying the tangents of this thread. As much as I enjoy seeing Tsar Monkee's stuff burn, I don't need it on every thread.
>>64360811>3 Gorges & all the upstream dams>more than half a century of 'nuclear energy research' in/with Taiwan>second best/biggest navy after Uncle SamDoesn't have to invade the Continent under any circumstances. Conventional munitions would probably suffice to induce the casualty and infrastructure equivalent of multiple nuclear strikes. Still has nearly 2x their WW2 population. Just fine I'd say.
>>64368230>Invents losing a modern naval conflict Lmao
>>64368376That was the Regia Marina.
>>64362124>It definitely canno, because most of the "skill" is knowledge basedYou need to know how to cook, but there is nothing difficult about that, you can just follow a recipe.Italoamerican food autism is genuinely pathetic. Learn how to cook.
>>64361553its really not hard to tell asians apart. they're so racially homogenous they all managed to look different in the same ways
>>64362103>it's my preferred style as I find French too intricateIt is literally the same thing.
>>64360811Doesn't Japan have F-35 carriers?
>>64361987>Italian food really demands excellence in techniqueNo it doesn't.It requires knowledge. It's a European system, technique doesn't matter below a base level of competence, it's all knowledge-based.This is one of the key cultural differences between Europe and Asia. Eastern cooking is incredibly technical. You're grilling on coal, making concerns over burning and overcooking incredibly series, you're preparing meat in an extremely hot wok meaning you can easily overcook your ingredients, you're deep frying extremely thinly sliced ingredients in smoking hot oil, you need to cut the fish in one specific way and so on.Cooking in Asia is basically all technique, cooking in Europe is all knowledge.
>>64368627>FUYO STOOPID AMERIKUN DONT DEY KNROW DAT IT TAKE MUCH TECHNIQUE TO COOK FOOD OVER HOT SURFAS AND TO CUT FISH AND PUT IT ON BARRS OF RICE ODERWISE YOU MAKE SHITITY SUSHI CUZ YU CUT IT WRONG AND EAT RAW EGG WIT HOT RICE? STOOPID EUROPEAN DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MAK TOUTURED DUCK PENIS SPECIARTY EREBODY COME ACROSS WORRD TO EAT IN NION FUYO.
>>64368677Anon, I am not saying that the focus on technical skills in cooking is a positive
>>64368677all of the dishes I listed except for the cut fish are Chinese btw.
>>64361146Cant bring those on a plane.Tactical drawback
>>64361280>hence why the commercial American pizza style has been exported to all 4 corners of the globeAmerican thick crust pan pizza is very different from thin crust italian pizza.
>>64368611it really isn'tFrench recipes tend to require twice the ingredients and twice the effort. TL;DR season everything, marinate everything. if you drown it with butter and reduction anything tastes good.Italian cooking doesn't go that far. hence the emphasis on good ingredients, because marinating the fuck out of it isn't usualy an option.
>>64364542Submarines smell like piss, sweat and chemicals. You go nose blind to it after a day or so.
>>64361280>American food is cheap and has no nuance, and is therefore innoffensive to most people>Real Italian food requires some level of sophistication to appreciate>therefore American conceptions are betterHoly fuck, now I know why the Japanese change "White pig go home!" They're talking about you, you fucking cunt. I imagine you could say the same thing about Japanese food and any kind of food. You're literally worse than Stalin and Hitler having a threesome with Mao while Tojo watches.
>>64361835>The Tiananmen Square massacre led to a lot of Chinese students from all over staying in the west instead of returning and that probably changed things a lot.NO, THAT WAS PLA INTELLIGENCE, CONFUCIOUS CENTER LISTENING POSTS ON EVERY COLLEGE CAMPUS IN EXCHANGE FOR CHILD PROSTITUTES AND KICKBACK MONEY AND INDUSTRIAL ESPIONAGE THE CHINK DO AS EASILY AS WOKKING THEIR DOGS.
>>64368177I've been aboard both JMSDF and PLAN ships and my impression is that the Japanese were more disciplined and squared away than the Chinese. I'm not sure how it would shake out in a war but I didn't get a great impression of the Chinese. It's hard to explain but I left with a kind of Potemkin impression of the Chinese. They're very polite and will greet you in a tough, formal, rigid (and scripted) sort of way but they're really lazing about. I have some funny stories.I'm not military, just a reporter / media fag. I took this photo of a Japanese news crew (and some other journalists including yt) getting blasted by the rotor wash of a U.S. helicopter landing on the JS Ise out in the Pacific.
>>64362565the clintons and the DNC moved chinese around after selling the USA out over that crashed bomber in 2000. its how the triads in cali and the snakeheads on the east coast and texas move their slaves around without arrest.
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