How did the imperial navy lose 4 million men in one battle.
>>64363518Massive retarded nepotism that got high on its own supply over basic competence, simple as. Many such stories, unironically and IRL it's been a plague on militaries for much of human history as empires start to rot. Author of LOGH didn't pull that one out of his ass at least.
>>64363518legend of the galactic faggots
>>64363629There's Russians in it?
>>64363622I suppose in fairness it's also because in LOGH universe (probably just because it was written starting in the early 1980s long long before the world wide web or any sort of public-key cryptography was getting public exposure) don't have encrypted comms. There were plenty of other fuckups including interference from the local environment but the final big one IIRC was commands getting intercepted which let the alliance plan their envelopment in advance and execute it very well, avoiding the risk of having local tactical inferiority and getting defeated in detail.So it essentially ended up as the Battle of Cannae in 3D space, which with the tech they had meant annihilation once the momentum shifted hard enough.
>>64363518>Imps had 4,408,000 soldiers>4,039,800 casualtiesHoly shit
>>64363700lol yeah like an 8% survival rate but that's what happens when you get fuckin hannibal'd but with relativistic neutron beams
>>64363717Absolutely BRVTAL
>>64363672LOGH space is basically the final form of WMD as a normalized state of war. Things like intelligence-gathering and security sound like distant secondary concerns when anyone the rank of commodore or higher is entrusted with enough firepower to blow up a planet.
>>64363518 they didn't fight a peer power for how many fucking years? that being said, it might be better to ask how the fuck the alliance was able to form such a competent navy with almost 0 military experience.
>>64363518I always loved how og LOGH batle ships had little gas based thrusters for maneuvering, it always adds a kino look
>>64363667Well, Prussians, but they were pretty gay too
>>64363795Muh semicircle and 2d space faggots btfo
For me, it's the Perceval.
>>64363948They still are, on top of now being half sovietziggers rapebabies.
>>64363672They have encrypted comms though, don't they? It's just that they achieved magical levels of jamming that fucks radio altogether so they often rely on light signals or messenger ships
>>64364825I always kind of wondered exactly how large these ships were, portrayal seems to be in the kilometer range or so.
>>64363672Pretty sure it was an Imperial republican sending the Imperial plans directly to Ashbey.
>>64363518>FPA is completely useless without Tang>Empire had like 20 good commanders even without ReinhardBeing he of the big flaws with the series is the endless Empire wank to the point where they’re almost Gary Stu’s. That and post-Yang the series just sort of ran out of story and just meanders and ends without much resolving. The entire Ruenthal Rebellion is a good example of pointless filler that had no reason to exist in universe (even Ruenthal doesn’t know why he’s doing it)
>>64365932>>Empire had like 20 good commanders even without Reinhardtrue, but those only managed to come to the fore once Reinhard started to get rid of the old aristocratic commanders that held the senior positions.
>>64365007>muh ww2 rapecalling them half pollacks would be way more accurate because they fucked polish peasantry for centuries
>>64363717Erm ackshually electron beam cannons were still the primary weapon in that era.
>>64365932>even Ruenthal doesn’t know why he’s doing it>still gets himself and millions of people killed to accomplish nothingThat arc felt like an insult to my intelligence.
>>64363518>Its fucking space>No up or down, can literally maneuver freely>Limitless variations of attack plans, fleet organization and approach can be performed with this in mind>"Fuck that! We're doing line-infantry warship battles in space because it looks kino!"What the hell is honestly the point?
>>64365499>They have encrypted comms though, don't they? It's just that they achieved magical levels of jamming that fucks radio altogether so they often rely on light signals or messenger shipsOptical links make absolutely zero difference for encryption, that's just another transmission medium (which I've actually had a chance to use IRL, there are some pretty cool free space optical link gear that companies have experimented with over the years). In a modern military it's perfectly impossible to "intercept enemy comms", like yeah if there's a double agent who sends you stuff that's out of scope, but it's easy for the military to have perfectly unbreakable encryption and there's no technology even envisioned that could ever change that.But none of this would have necessarily been easy general public knowledge for an author in the 1980s. If you were really, really into tech and intel and visionary you could extrapolate some potential perfect options and then just go with that but that's not really the point of LOGH anyway, it's very much classic age of war opera in space. Point is the people.
>>64365932While I can sort of see where you're coming from I don't agree with this at all, and far more fervently then I would have even 5 years ago. Part of the whole theme of LOGH is the cycles of human civilization. Frankly thinking over the Alliance again, and how the series was written so long ago, the parallels with what's happening with America right fucking now are pretty damn uncomfortable. The FPA being extremely successful and getting its citizens wealthy and free, who then got decadent/lazy and started taking politics less and less seriously, with more and more debt building up, stupid wars and excursions that pissed away stupendous amounts of resources, rising populist savior figure with vigilante activists behind him, shittier and dumber politicians and decaying production, losing sight of their founding ideals, even though there were still lots of serious smart committed people who were trying hard to save it? Meanwhile the opposition is rising despite serious problems of their own? It's actually crazy how much more, not less, seriously I read all that now then I did in late 90s or early 2000s, or even 2010s.I can completely see the USA and EU ending up at FPA levels in terms of competence in governance on the present track.
>>64366323You don't want realism on space battles because we know we have reached the point of "The one who shots first wins", like battleships/subs. Also it would be too complicated for the viewer to understand them because of orbital mechanics and the battles themselves are not really the point of the series
>>64366409>You don't want realism on space battles because we know we have reached the point of "The one who shots first wins", like battleships/subsReal space warfare are just going to be gay and mostly automated with this in mind if we ever reach this point. I will enjoy my sci-fi while I can.
>>64366323Yeah what >>64366409 says, with the caveat that you can do something sort of interesting with the right historical setup in the brief period from maybe 1960s until 1990s, during which it was possible for humanity to do some serious nuclear drives but computers were super primitive thus necessitating a human crew, and for much of that you'll have zilch in the way of advanced guidance and autonomous function. If you set up the right incentives (catastrophe for Earth) to push the US and USSR into space in an extremely serious way starting in the 50s then you can probably do somewhat normie-interesting series while maintaining physical reality, albeit with ample use of time skips since it'll still takes weeks/months to travel around the solar system even with an orion drive.But even that would still be more niche and in any sort of advanced setting realistic space combat becomes completely ahuman right away. Having to respect orbital dynamics, thermodynamics and so on, the natural answer is all sorts of shit like smart micro swarm mines and nuke pulsed beams and computers doing absolutely everything with no human involvement, or at most uploaded minds running different from real time which is going to be pretty fucking alien anyway.If you don't enjoy space opera as a genre sure whatever but personally I sorta prefer LOGH being upfront and unapologetic about it vs the 99% of """"realistic"""" scifi which then is full of magic tech and human crews anyway.
>>64365932The alliance had good commanders but they were under Yang just like Reuental and Mittenmeyer at the start so they could never command a fleet. That and the fact they were very talent at a specific skillset like logistic or infantry combat.The alliance also had good commander on its own outside of Yang and his officers, they were just cucked non-stop by stupid politics and an actual space-jew cult. The empire was always bigger than the republic but they were wasteful and inbred and split into feudal armies. The republic wasted most of its resources in the invasion and never recovered. Doesn't help they were too busy fucking with their best commander and never expected an invasion from Fezzan. War was lost the moment they approved that stupid's commodore's invasion plan, no amount of commanders could undo that fuck up when they were all fucked in the ass by politicians.Reuenthal did it because he had ego and wanted to see if he could reach the height of Reinhard. It was always in his head but he wouldn't have done it by himself but once the space cult plan forced his hand he made his choice.
Anyone seen Tytania https://anidb.net/anime/6005?It's basically LOGH but retarded by the same author. Change the absolute monarchy of the Empire by a clusterfuck of space feudalism. The anime is pretty shit but fun and funny if you are even mildly drunk and see it with a degree of shitposting.
>>64366429Machines can be fooled.
>>64363629>>64363667>>64363948This anime is for men, manly men!
>>64366779>The alliance had good commanders but they were under Yang just like Reuental and Mittenmeyer at the start so they could never command a fleet. That and the fact they were very talent at a specific skillset like logistic or infantry combat.It's worth noting too that Yang absolutely could have followed Reinhard's path, this is emphasized multiple times. He was a different kind of man though, and part of his role and contrast with Reinhard was to emphasize how war is politics by other means on some level, and can never be totally disconnected from the domestic situation. No commander, no matter how much of a genius, can win if the domestic situation totally fails. Yang stuck true to his ideals and the values of his democratic society but that wasn't enough. Reinhard never entertained any illusions about the quality of Empire governance or hesitation about replacing it completely.>Reuenthal did it because he had ego and wanted to see if he could reach the height of Reinhard. It was always in his head but he wouldn't have done it by himself but once the space cult plan forced his hand he made his choice.Yeah I think the series did quite a decent job at building that up, Reuenthal was shown as a brilliant but odd duck with a fucked up childhood and such all along. He was cool sure but it didn't come out of nowhere, and Reinhard himself told them to do it if they thought they could long before it happened. Sieg dying was the catalyst for a lot of it though too.
>>64366785>TytaniaYeah that was a pretty silly but still entertaining space opera ride, hammed it up even harder then LOGH but it was still amusing. Good ending music too from what I remember.Another obscure interesting concept space fight anime though totally different from those two was Starship Operators. Not perfect but still really neat take on a crew caught in a war between two superpowers. And despite some level of magic tech gets some autist points for being I think one of the only ones I've ever seen where some laws of physics apply, acceleration, inertia and maneuvering ability matters, speed of light matters (FTL is very limited), and "funding their war as a reality tv show" was hilarious yet also sorta fresh. And it can kinda be argued that we've also now seen that IRL in a small way, with Ukraine forces raising money internationally via "write your message on this bomb!" and so on social media stuff as well as conventional sources. The various weapons used and battles also were kind of cool, almost the opposite of stuff like LOGH in that each shot was often precious and a lot of battles ended with whoever got the first good firing solution .
>>64366785I went into Tytania back when I'd just finished watching all the LotGH-related media that existed and was desperate for more of the same, it was maybe the most disappointed I've ever been by an anime. Should have rewatched the space elf cartoon instead.
>>64367053Forgot my genetically engineered anime girls picture, whoops.
>>64366953straightest, coolest, most interesting cartoon for man children
>>64367053Oof, yeah that'd do it. Fortunately I went in like, 10 years after having last watched LOGH and pretty hungry for anything space but zero expectations.BotS/CotS is always worth remembering too though, that was pretty unique as well.
>>64366354>But none of this would have necessarily been easy general public knowledge for an author in the 1980s.depends on their education background, I was taught about one-time-pads in math class
>>64366999Please anon, you must tell me, where did you get that pic from?
>>64367336>I was taught about one-time-pads in math classUnironically pretty damn cool math class if that was taught to you in the 80s, I had some interesting math classes as well but not involving cyphers specifically.But yes I was thinking of OTPs when I wrote "you could extrapolate some potential perfect options", but even with OTP that wouldn't be enough by itself. The whole issue with OTPs historically is the difficulty of scaling them to regular use. So you'd also have to envision the rise in computer storage bytes/$ so that you can make the leap to say>"of course even a tiny fighter could easily have hundreds of terabytes of high-g tolerant solid-state storage onboard and a warship could have exabytes and thus everyone could exchange enough entropy pools to last major chunks of a given campaign at a time"Certainly it wasn't like zero people were thinking that way in the early 80s but it was completely off the radar of the 99.9%. I can't really blame a fiction author for that one.
>>64367479>The whole issue with OTPs historically is the difficulty of scaling them to regular use.my bank still uses them today for user authentication, a physical piece of paper with the codes listed on it
>>64367356Very happy to say the original 1980s through 90s manga has finally gotten translated anon, I think they've only got 4 chapters left to finish all 11 volumes:>mangadex.org/title/e48840ea-f28b-44fe-9412-d95db2a1ac3c/legend-of-the-galactic-heroesI bought it even in nip, was always a great adaption imo even though I struggled to get through all the runes and far better then the recent one. Unfortunately it didn't cover the entire series, but still well worth a read if you enjoyed the books or old anime.
>>64367497Which is really dumb, but also OTPs here means "one time pad" not one time password, we're talking about it in the context of communication not authentication. OTP has no authentication, anyone who has a copy of the pad can use it to reveal what message is supposed to match the original message. Any reuse fucks you, so if you want to share 500 megabytes worth of data you need to burn 500 megs worth of entropy that you previously shared in person. And that has to be done for every single party to the communications. Yes it's perfectly unbreakable even in theory since it subverts the entire concept of "hacking" but it's got lots of practical challenges.But modern storage is so vast that in a military context where they're good at securely moving highly sensitive physical stuff IRL OTP could actually work for comms if we had to, though it has no known advantage of symmetric keys so nobody bothers. To realize that 40+ years ago would be a bit more of a stretch.
>>64367584>Which is really dumbmuch safer than SMS or email two factor
>>64367527Anon, you have no idea how happy this makes me!
>>64363899I mean you could ask the same for the Earth Civilization when despite having superior numbers and supposedly better trained military lost against space people.
>>64367788Earth gov when the colony rebellion happened were basically modern Russia except over all of Earth, and one where the author used the stupid 80s "le resources all depleted!" meme. But while zero sum colonial extractive economics in a massive incompetent kleptocracy is also retarded, I can't deny that we see it having happened and now happening again IRL. So can't say it's unrealistic. And I don't remember ever seeing that the earth Space Force had superior numbers or training, indeed the big victory/atrocity they did to kick the wars off in that history was one where they flat out backstabbed the colonies, pretending to be friendly allies and asking to join for a joint training exercise then opening fire on them out of nowhere. Then the soldiers acted like, well, russians (ie untrained animals).
>>64367883Also the black fleet did blockade Earth before the final battle, and again since author set it up as "earth has no resources" that meant just 3 months was enough to exhaust/starve/demoralize them all, then the fleet attacked (and took vengeance with mass orbital bombardment to kill billions and render the planet trashed).
>>64367895But before that, Earth forces were busy sabotaging each other, because the entire fleet was full of officers who wanted to advance in their careers, by becoming the biggest hero, while letting their competition die alone against Sirian forces.
>>64363518I never liked ending themes. Always skipped, but literally the only time I didn't, because I was relaxing, was the episode prior to Yangs death. First time I noticed there were previews for the next episode, but whatever I'm chill. The preview then fucking goes and spoils Yangs death. The emotional impact of that moment is now lost to me forever.I was reading comments online about it, and some fuck said that the series was made for the people who read the novel, so they already knew the story. Fuck knows if that's true, I just know I'm pissed about it
I wish this show had been good
>>64366999checkedSchenkopt was right, Yang should have been slightly anti-democratic to save democracy but that's asking a lot from Yang. He just wanted to get into history and the navy paid for his education, fucker wanted the easy slow life and never got it even after his nation was conquered because his own traitor government fucked with him non-stop. Yang believed in democracy and was unwilling to be the one compromising it but he was realist enough to tell Julian to go for a constitutional monarchy when negotiating with the Kaiser.I also find it so funny that the Kaiser got made into Yang's bitch and only survived because Yang followed the cease-fire order and when he was about to have his ultimate revenge Yang got killed. Perma-blue ball the Kaiser so hard he died out of having nothing left to do.
>>64366371To be fair, the FPA are less like Space-NATO and more like the Space-UN if it continued trying to be a serious militarized peacekeeping power the way it was during the Korean War, and we need only glance at Africa to know how big a shitshow their policy would be if they were given more than token political importance.
I wish the empire had some fighter pilot characters. The Walkure is probably the best space fighter design in fiction. They move more like a mobile suit than a fighter. But they get mowed down en masse by significantly shittier Spartanians because the FPA has pilots with painted hulls and speaking lines.
>>64367527Is this the manga that Golden Wings is based on? I actually enjoyed Golden Wings even though it basically the mask slipping and them making LOGH into a full on shojo anime not a serious political space anime with a suspicious amount of pretty boys. Also I'm a sucker for babby Reinhard and Kirchais adventures ala Gaiden. More generally I wish the series had more from the POV of cruisers and recce engagements like Gaiden.
>>64368741Anime previews always spoil shit, it's common knowledge to always skip them
>>64369556>I also find it so funny that the Kaiser got made into Yang's bitch and only survived because Yang followed the cease-fire order and when he was about to have his ultimate revenge Yang got killed. Perma-blue ball the Kaiser so hard he died out of having nothing left to do.There wasn't going to be an ultimate revenge, Yang was on his way to meet Reinhard for a peace conference before he was killed.
>>64369730>I wish the empire had some fighter pilot characters. The Walkure is probably the best space fighter design in fiction. They move more like a mobile suit than a fighter. But they get mowed down en masse by significantly shittier Spartanians because the FPA has pilots with painted hulls and speaking lines.The Empire was all from the top looking down but since Yang only had his one fleet, we saw all the bits and pieces that made up that fleet. I think the only time the Empire tried something like that was with that drunk commodore or something, really small character I forgot his name.
>>64367788Earther souls are weighed down by gravity that's why they lost.
>>64367632Enjoy anon. I've been rereading it and honestly I'm pleasantly surprise about how damn good it still is all these decades later. So many things are fond memories and you go back to them again and they kind of dim, but that is still a really solid story, and the rendition is done well too. A lot of panels that say a lot without saying anything at all, and I find the art refreshing and designs well done. The space battles do get pretty chaotic and hard to follow sometimes but I suppose that itself is somewhat fitting.
This an anime is so retard. Alliance would never take the risk to invade the empire given the risk of high loses that a democracy can't take it. Just like USA in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Even with extreme low loses, USA had a anti war movement. Also Lohengramm has the powerplot to make the enemy commandant take the worse decision possible. Not even a retard lieutenant would make such basic error.
>>64371015Are you forgetting that WW2 and Korea were a thing?
>>64371015>Just like USAGlad I caught this early so I knew to discard this retarded foreign drivel.
>>64371015>Alliance would never take the risk to invade the empire given the risk of high loses that a democracy can't take it>Just like USA did repeatedly IRL, it would never happen.?????>military commanders are never fucking retards IRL who play into an intelligent opponent's strategies>over and over>for thousands of years of recorded human historyYou don't read much history do you anon?
>>64365502flagships tend to be around the kilometer mark, with other ships being between 500-700 meters
>>64371028The Army was extreme cautions to avoid heavy loses, they wouldn't attack even the enemy wasn't flatted by bombing. >>64371106Not with the same tricks over and over again.Especially for officers that went to a Military Academy they will know all the tricks in the book. The worst West Point graduate would rape Napoleon or Alexander in any battle.
>There's Russians in it?
>>64363518The imperial navy loses 4 million men on a random Tuesday
>>64366953it's the navy, go figure
More like legend of the galactic kino
Some retards here think they wouldn't take the same retarded decisions as the ones in the anime. Thing is, most of the retarded decisions are taken in high stress environments, whit a lot of factors involved taking into consideration several different political interests. For example this guy >>64371165 , are the same dumbfucks that say the Art of War was as available or obvious in the times it was written.
>>64371347A graduate from military academy are trained to take decisions on extreme stress situation. They wouldn't blindness attack even any intel on the enemy. Also they would have many contingent plans prepared before the battle.
>>64371015>the risk of high losses that a democracy can't take itYou see my ESL friend, the FPA had already been taking heavy losses at that point in the war and was on the back foot until Yang captured Iserlohn. Arguably they had grown dangerously insensitive to significant losses of men and materiel.There were a few factors that lead to the FPA's leadership choosing to invade Imperial territory:1. Taking Iserlohn gave the FPA "victory disease", and a widespread belief that the momentum of the war had decisively shifted in the their favor and that they had to capitalize on their first major victory in a long time (when in fact they desperately needed to take a pause to unfuck their overheating war economy).2. There was a strong ideological commitment to the destruction of the Empire since the FPA's founding. There was a growing pacifist movement, but it was drowned out by the above point.3. Most of the FPA's leadership wanted to ride this wave of strong public opinion that would guarantee their re-election if the invasion succeeded.Fork's plan was retarded, but it had popular backing and may even have had a chance of moderate success if Reinhard didn't exist.
>>64371529That would be like Nimitz rush to Tokyo after Midway Battle. Alliance knew that the Empire still had a capable fleet and there was no chance for decisive blow but attrition something that Empire could afford. Empire never suffered from skilled labor been sucked by military. Theirs peasants wouldn't revolt due the number of casualties, also been in the military was much more prestigious and the better or even only chance to elevate their social status unlike in the Alliance.
>>64371660>Nimitz rush to Tokyo after Midway Battle.Poor example. A much closer IRL equivalent that actually did happen (and ended in a similar way) is the English Counter-Armada of 1589.>attritionYes, some Alliance planners (i.e. Yang) predicted it. They were also overridden by civilian leadership. Ideological and political concerns do in fact sometimes override logistical and practical ones in the course of military planning.
>>64370236 nta but i think they're referring to vermilion
>>64370236The kaiser mobilized almost all of the imperial fleet to fuck with Iserlohn but the moment Yang died he kinda lost interest in it. Been a while since I watched it but pretty sure others said he could have just blockaded him and take the lone planet and he wouldn't be an issue. Clearly Reinhard wanted stimulation and only Yang was a worthy opponent.
>>64370236>There wasn't going to be an ultimate revenge, Yang was on his way to meet Reinhard for a peace conference before he was killed.>>64372462Reinhard was practically devastated by Yang's death, he wasn't after anything as retarded as "revenge" at all he loved an amazing opponent and appreciated someone fundamentally decent and respected Yang a lot. I think he also really wanted to meet and talk man to man as well after everything both had gone through as they rose on their respective sides. Not that he wouldn't have killed him (or been killed by him) in open battle but Yang dying to a cowardly cult attack was not an end Reinhard was happy with at all to put it mildly.
>>64373989>Reinhard was practically devastated by Yang's death, he wasn't after anything as retarded as "revenge" at all he loved an amazing opponent and appreciated someone fundamentally decent and respected Yang a lot. I think he also really wanted to meet and talk man to man as well after everything both had gone through as they rose on their respective sides. Not that he wouldn't have killed him (or been killed by him) in open battle but Yang dying to a cowardly cult attack was not an end Reinhard was happy with at all to put it mildly.But continuing to attack Iserlohn after Yang died was a really mean-spirited move. It could've involved the destruction of Iserlohn itself if Reinhard won the final battle, and all of Yang's family and friends along with it. By that point Iserlohn became purely defensive. I don't like Reinhard because he could've continued the peace talks after Yang died and made no attempt to, just more conquest. This is why Annerose distanced herself from him.
>>64372462>>64373989>>64374009A lot of Reinhard more brash and even unhinged moves really could be boiled down to lack of Kircheis as his death left a massive hole in his life unfilled. If only he was still there he might have been more composed.Also one thing forgotten about Reinhard he was also suffering from illness that was impacting his judgement. In many ways it parallels real life Napoleon who was becoming increasing irrational and weaker in life only to later discover he had cancer.
Holy shit that anime was such a disappointment, Shilled endlessly as one of the greatest, so at one point I finally get to watch it.>hello Friedrich Wilhelm Eugen Graf von Kalkreuth Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg>at your command OberFuhurer Generalfeldmarschall Prinzessin Friederike Ludvig Detl von SourKraut>isn't it great that with modern medicine we barely sustain any casualties in battles>in the very first battle allied forces sustain something like 80% casualties, literally over million dead soldiers>battle was just video game logic and it was the only battle that will work that way>allied officer sir how to do you comment on our recent loss>not great not terrible, we lost our entire space force, I guess we will have to increase some taxes>but sir we are at 20% war economy for decades and we have quite small population, losing a million people is a lot>I'm comically evil, men, assault that woman for asking questionsAnd that was like first episode, it gets worse with stuff like battle width, because there is not enough space in.... space to deploy your forces. It's prussiaboo parody of My immortal, just swap goths and vampires for Germans
>>64365932Thats kind of the point. LOGH is sort of pro fascist. In a ruthless meritocratic sort of way. The whole story keeps illustrating how democracies are worthless and how Plato's golden men and philosopher king wipe the floor with any plebians who deem themselves worth ruling through either democracy or as in the old corrupt nobles, tradition. You have to have ability. Its eastern so in a way the mandate of heaven idea plays a role.
>>64375046return to indian, brownskin
>>64367497Man I remember those. Had to have whole lists printed ahead of time. Think they finally stopped using them around 2012 or so.>>64367631But good enough. When was the last time a bank got hacked.
>>64375095>Thats kind of the point. LOGH is sort of pro fascist.I'd argue it's pro-taking actions and responsibility. The show repeatedly hammers that the everything wrong with the FPA and the previous Galactic Federation is due to the people content to just elect a golden calf to be their janny and call it a day. Yang even defends democracy by stating that for good or ill the people's well-being is fundamentally rooted in their self-responsibility and it's shameful to have that responsibility be carried by just one man.The key message of the show is neither an endorsement nor a condemnation of both systems. Rather, it's about how you should take politics seriously and be responsible with it. Like Julian says at the end of the show:>Politics always takes vengeance on those who belittle it.
>>64375204>it's pro-taking actions and responsibilityWhich is counter to the very essence of democracy, e.g. giving your power away to some other retard to run things so you can go jerk off to funko pops or whatever. Inevitably some psychopaths figure out the democracy meta and run it into the ground for their own profit. Rather than doing any good for the public interest.Dont have that with God Kings.
>>64375095that's overstating it. It's just basic great man theory from a monarchist POV. I.e Rudolf the Great's dynasty quickly became weak and feckless like the Imperial German monarchy post Wilhelm I or the Japanese emperors. Remember that the 5 Good emperors (the greatest philosopher kings in history) ended with Commodus destroying the Roman Empire and being strangled to death in a bathhouse. The ending is a cop out essentially "Maybe Alec will be a great kaiser or maybe he will be surpassed by his own Kircheis". Without a substantive heir the Empire would have obliterated itself like the diadochi.
>>64375233>Which is counter to the very essence of democracy, e.g. giving your power away to some other retard to run things so you can go jerk off to funko pops or whatever.Only if you think partisan representative democracy is the be-all and end-all of democratic system. There are systems like consensus democracy, deliberative democracy, consultative democracy and much more. Even then, it's a matter of political cultures. Nations ruled by a participating virtuous society is far superior than ones by god-kings.Even in the show, the future government system will be a constitutional monarchy with parliamentary democracy. Benevolent dictatorship will be amazing, but it's not like it doesn't have their own fundamental weaknesses. A synthesis of both is the ideal system.
>>64375095LOGH is not at all pro-fascist, really it doesn't have an agenda at all so much as being an exploration of humanity and the ebbs and flows of history. If anything, the single biggest theme might be "nothing lasts forever, nothing can be taken for granted, anything can be built up or torn down by both action and inaction of humans". The story of course (naturally) is set at another key tipping point and moment of phase change in that timeline's history, but keep in mind that the FPA built a highly successful society that made its citizen's lives free and awesome for centuries, a longer run then the USA, despite being under constant threat of conquest and subjugation. Compared to a lot of the previous eras of humanity it did pretty damn well and avoided shit for a very long time.I think sometimes people get so into "the long view" and fundamentals that they lose sight of the good in just securing another short time period of peace. Yang explicitly stated that too: he wasn't trying to "win peace forever" or any shit like that, but that doing a part to get even a few decades of life getting better was still a win.And the series very purposefully leaves us unknowing of the future for the new Empire too. Reinhard explicitly leaves it up to his wife and advisors on whether to go constitutional or not and the form of the universe after him.
>>64375095 to say LoGH is only pro-reinhard is to misunderstand it fundamentally it's derived from RoTK, which is actually shills for shu-han over wei despite shu-han almost exclusively being on the backfoot most of the story. because wei is meritocratic the cao family is buttfucked by the advisor sima yi and his family before they fucked themselves with a succession crisis. if you're familiar with that then you could see how the end of LoGH sets up a familiar scenario with alec getting buttfucked by either an elderly wolfgang or his son felix.
This lil nigga was poisoning his food and drink, wasn’t he?
