Is this a viable tactic? Are the new land based launchers even ready yet?
Just shut up and give me a sauce on it actually happening.
>>64365727>Missile comes packaged in tube>Tube has port for data cableAnd that's that.
This is clearly 100% made up but I'd actually love it if they slowly strike targets further and further into Russia, waiting if Putin reacts
>>64365727obviously not and obviously they wont give them any the risk of russia getting one on their hands is way too much of a risk
>>64365727This kinda reads>Please threaten with nook oooks pootin so we don't have to do anything but can pretend we did
>>64365727That sounds profoundly retarded. So all Putin has to do is ook OOOOKK NOOK, and Glormph will TACO? But hey, at least Ukraine blew half its budget on missiles it can't use
We give you Tomahawks but will not let you use them, or we will let you but we negate the only advantage Tomahawks have - precision and distance.What kind of crap is that?
>>64365760It's a missile from the 1983 that we've used hundreds of times in a dozen conflicts.
How are they going to fire these things? I don't understand
>>64365780It's just politics. There are plenty of targets in Crimea and behind the front lines. Once Putin does or Medvedev says sole stupid shit again that pisses Trump off he'll give them the go-ahead to use them against targets inside Russia.
>>64365787
>>64365760>We can't risk giving Tomahawks to the Ukrainians because they'll wind up in Russian hands>>64365780>Giving Tomahawks is meaningless because America will stab Ukraine in the back>>64365769>Ukraine getting Tomahawks is good actually because Tomahawks are useless and gay and stupidI'm one "Ukraine put all of the Tomahawks in a single building which Russia just blew up" away from winning zigger bingo!
>>64365759>"this is the final red line!">a tomahawk strikes a target 1km behind the line>draws a new line 2km deeper>"This is the final red line!"would be pretty funny
If the goal is to pressure Russia into good faith negotiations rather than help Ukraine win a total victory, then this seems really smart actually.
>>64365812If Biden's fat fucking aid packages didn't compel Putin to reconsider, why would Trump selling a handful of missiles, that probably won't increase by even 20% the amount of damage Ukraine is already doing with its own drones and missiles, do any better?
>>64365812>Russia into good faith negotiations>good faith>Russia
>>64365760getting their hands on one? Are you fucking serious? How are they "going to get their hands" on a missile with a range of over 500 miles? They can launch them from fucking Lviv
>>64365817I never thought about that, I wonder if military contractors are panicking about their future profits now that every country can just stuff some explosives in a Cessna and remote control it
>>64365825They'll grab the remains of a used missile and reverse engineer it
>>64365827>now that every country can just stuff some explosives in a Cessna and remote control ita concept muslims have perfected 50 years ago, sans remote control
>>64365838These missiles blow up, anon
>>64365727>the missile rape will continue until negotiations improve
>>64365842If enough missiles hit them they can slowly collect the debris and reassemble a missile piece by piece and then steal the secrets from it
>>64365838>russia will finally have late 1970s missile technology>from a missile that has explodedYou do realize they lack the ability to make the electronics that make Tomahawks good right?>>64365817Crimea is Ukraine, and there's some rather important bridge pylons just offshore of Crimea. Tomahawks are really good at destroying things like bridges.
>>64365812>pressure Russia into good faith negotiationsThat would be like trying to pressure me into perfecting faster than light spacetravel for humanity, even if I actually wanted to the concept of is utterly foreign to me and impossible for me to concieve on every level except the most superficial level imagination.
>>64365838>reverse engineerReverse engineer fucking what? They can’t make any of these parts, the only reason they can even build their own cruise missiles is because they still have tooling for them
>>64365848>Muh secretsThey could do that already given how many times it has already beeen used and even if, however extremely unlikely, they somehow got enough pieces to make an intact one, they cant produce it themselves.
>>64365838>russia>reverse engineering anything into a working statelol. lmao even
>>64365848That's not how it works at all, they need to build up immunity by striking themselves with smaller missiles for a time, until they can withstand them completely, then they'll be ready to be struck by this much larger missile
Tomahawks are much easier to shoot down than ATACMS or Storm Shadow etc. I really do not see the point.And how will they even launch them? Its either from a ship (which ukraine doesnt have) or from a barely in service launcher (which ukraine wont get)
>>64365865
>>64365727>Are the new land based launchers even ready yet?Yes, the Mk 70 launcher has been in Army and Navy service for at least 3 years
>>64365805Come to think of it, what is the grand price in zigger bingo? 1 cubic meter of mobiks and a bottle of vodka?
>>64365870>Its either from a ship (which ukraine doesnt have)you take the launch platform from the ship and you recreate it but truck mounted>much easier to shoot down than ATACMS or Storm Shadow etc.a) much further rangeb) much bigger stockpilec) aren't air launched like SCALP
>>64365870Send them some ABLs from the scrapheap and tell em to go for it. They'll figure something out.
>>64365870>easier to shoot downSo is a Cesna full of TNT and yet here we are.
>>64365727>Muh negotiationsWorst monkey paw ever. TZD should be TZD. No compromise. I fucking hate that russian cum slurping faggot.
>>64365760>"get your hands on this, pidors!"written on a tomahawk slamming into the kremlin
>>64365817Payload, precision, and range add up to EFFECTIVENESS of damage. The aid packages we've given Ukraine so far have been vital in them doing enough damage to the Russian forces to stalemate them, but military hardware has zero economic contribution and so it doesn't affect the average Russian to lose it. They just spin up a factory and start cranking out more. It also costs a lot per unit destroyed since militaries are designed and deployed specifically to be hard targets. Tomahawks can go after the soft underbelly of the Russian economy. $1 billion in Tomahawks can have dozens of times more effect on the Russian homefront than $50 billion in hardware targeting their military in Ukraine. Take out EVERY SINGLE ONE of their refineries and their entire economy grinds to a halt. They can't afford to import because their only source of foreign currency is the export of oil.
>>64365878an action packed trip to Belgorod
sure, in a war when your opponent routinely employs kinzhals, kh-101s, fabs, kabs, odabs and outproduces you in every weapons category by an order of magnitude, it's entirely viable to threaten him with an obsolescent 1970s subsonic missile, with no means of delivery for it, and production rate of 50 units a year. this is not profoundly idiotic and desperate idea by any means
>>64365727>tomahawks in 2025Lmao mutts are still mentally in 80s when they were muh mighty and first army in the worldRussia launches thousands equivalents of this shit daily
>>64365952zigger
>>64365781>It's a missile from the 1983can you tell us how many first gen exist anon?thats right its probably all of them right?right?yeah no>>64365825this is the state of people that argue in /k/
>>64365952this is bait but ok
>>64365952You use overpriced Iranian flying lawnmowers lmao, burgers making their own cruise missiles probably have a better deal.
>>64365769What did you expect? It’s always a show, but he’ll always taco
>>64365767Well yeah, what did you expect?
>>64365760yeah, it's not like the russians were provided with two unexploded intact tomahawks, salvaged by the syrians back in 2019 or anything. it's not like they already know what channels of communication, information and control, navigation and range finding it has.
>>64365989>>64365993Bots
>>64365952>Russia launches thousands equivalents of this shit dailydo they fuck. The vast majority of munitions launched are basic GPS/INS guided attack drones then the next most numerous are ballistic missiles like Khinzal and Iskander, and reworked anti-ship missiles like Kh-22Cruise missiles like Kh101s (Storm Shadow or AGM-86 equivalent) and Kalibr (Tomahawk equivalent) get used perhaps once a monthRussia hasn't even built 1000 Kalibrs to fire them
>>64365838>reverse engineer itThey did that long ago, called a KalibrEarly war wunderwaffle that got forgotten because they can't produce enough lol
>>64365840Theirs are advanced biobot version. Concept imperial japanese first played around with 85 years ago
>>64366034you're absolutely right, what a blunder on my part. i'll commit sudoku immediately
>>64365727Tomahawk is a capable missile, but the retarded restriction completely missed the point.if you don't beat Muscovites within an inch of their life, then they will keep pushing their bullshit, no matter how hard you try to convince them.only unrestricted violence can bring Putin to the nagotiating table.
>>64365727I fucking hate Americans so much, jesus christ.They are literally making a TV show out of war>Hello ukraine, you did great you earned tomahawks, HOWEVER you cant use them however you want so far>lets see if russia can finish this quiz firstJust do everything to maximize TZD and keep your gay hollywood trash out of Europe.Thanks for tomahawks btw
>>64366051>>64366058This is standard practice, the goal is to boil Russia into a paste, not allow them to sue for peace then rebuild.
>>64366051>>64366058>restrictionread nigga read
>>64366061Literally the opposite. Everything done by everyone except for the Ukrainians has been lab designed to give ziggers as many offramps as humanly possible, and reintegrate them into human civilization as soon as they mellow out from their chimp episode. As much as he hates him, Trump is going through the exact same motions as the Biden administration.Wouldn't be surprised if there is some fat bail out fund waiting for Ziggeria to save them again, like in the 90s and 40s. The morbid obsession westoids have with steppe mongrels cannot be understated
>>64366089What
>>64365838Can Russia learn anything from 40+ year old missile tech? They seem to have pretty good missiles systems, but can't manufacture them in sufficient quantities. Reverse engineering Tomahawks wouldn't solve their manufacturing and supply chain woes.
>russia took kupyanskTodays reason for daily anti-russian shills
Cool fanfic, pidor.
>>64366138oh damn for real? good for you brother
>>64366138>anti-russian shillsI thought hating russian scumbags is a normal state for any person.
>>64365978You are either retarded or a concern troll. Those missiles have been in use for decades. Do you really think russia and china haven't gotten access to some of wreckage already?
>>64366155One easy way to recognize thirdies is by their complete and utter lack of originality.They’re straight faced in their attempts to use the arguments laid against them 5 minutes earlier in a different thread.No understanding of why their attempts fall flat, while the white man can effortlessly use a thirdies own memes against them.
>>64366155it is, that's just ziggers trying to deflect
>>64366138did they send you a pigeon?
>>64366186Congratulations, you damaged your own country's electrical gridlmao
>>64366138>>russia took kupyansksource: my ass
>>64366188So Zaporizhzhia belongs to Ukraine?
>>64366197Well yeah, it's occupied if you hadn't noticed
>>64365780The thing is even with the walking on eggs approach from western powers, people still say that we are warmongers and it's all Ukraine and nato's fault etc. Maintaining the moral high ground is very costly, hopefully it will pay off in the end.
>>64366209so who's going to pay to fix it?which soldiers are going to suffer from the lack of electricity?
>>64366228>>so who's going to pay to fix it?Ukraine once they get it back. As if Russia would spend shit on repairing infrastructure, they don't even do that at home
>>64366209Careful now, a russian would get gulaged for such a statement
>>64366138>russia took kupyanskMay we see it?
>>64366231well if Ukraine get it back it means they won the war and so russia will have to pay reparations so it's not an issue then :)also, thousands of russians are in this region right now so I hope they enjoy their stay without oil or electricity.
>>64365727
>>64366259>and so russia will have to pay reparationsGood point actually
>>64366154>spetznaz>from RosvgardiaWhat?
>>64366138Yeah, naw.
>>64366293Doesnt matter. Things are quite obviously not going well in that sector. That little orange blob over H-26 being the main problem. The other issue being that the Russians have been slowly advancing up there for a long time.
>>64366301>Things are quite obviously not going well in that sector. Yeah, the Russian may make it somewhere relevant by the end of the century there, instead of in a few hundred years.
>>64366138Doesn’t work the other way around zigger, not only did that not happen, we’re not a shill brigade like you, just actual board users.
>>64366301And? Playing a defensive war means losing territory and that's not bad.
>>64366313Allies barely advanced between 1914 and 1918, until suddenly the lines broke. >>64366315Initially yes, however right now you're in negotiations and everyone knows that the final deal will be based on LOC.
>>64366320>however right now you're in negotiationsWeren't "they" in the negotiations like forever?>LOCOn what?
By the great spirits inhabiting the Palace of the Sun i wish there was a way to invest in the North Korean defense sector, you could probably completely automate your buy and sell orders based on AI monitoring vatnik meltdowns on 4chan.
>>64366267'Spetznaz' just means special forces, I suppose it's possible that they have some kind of special unit in Rosgvardia that'd fit the definition, kinda like how every agency regardless of responsibility in the US inexplicably has its own SWAT teams.
>>64366330Line of Control.
>>64366320>LOCNope. Not really a thing in the current phase of the war. So not going to be grounds for any kind of negotiation. There is no "line" in the UKR/RUS front-line. Just a bubbling mass of shit several kilometers deep in any direction. Which is why, despite being "captured" 8 months ago, Ukrainian units still appear in parts of Toretsk to this day. Anybody can run around, raise a flag, and die at this point.
>>64366343It's not like russians gained anything substential in the past like 3 years? Yeah I think there will be an agreement based on LOC with sanctions staying and not a single country recognizing the borders.
>>64366339Northern Ordinance Company Korea NYSE:NORK
>>64366138>>64366154>six fucking months agoi thought that town name looked familiar, is this another 'fortress bakhmut'?
>>64366434>six fucking months agoAnon... I..
>>64366342Guess that makes sense then
>>64366450>2022
