What about this city made it so insanely hard to capture? Obviously urban warfare is hard but the coalition was basically nuking the place every week and ISIS supply lines were cut early on yet it took almost 10 months and a lot of dead Iraqis.
>>64370239>10 months*3 years
Incompetence, its what lost the city to begin with
>>64370255The first 2 years was them trying to get to mosul
>>64370239>What about this city made it so insanely hard to capture?Lack of strategic purpose and thus lack of achievable goals. Putting the 'good' towelhead on every corner just meant that he was more exposed to attacks while executing no function.Sending in wave after wave to capture more of the town so that more towelheads can be put on more corners just made sure you had even less forces available to capture the next section, delaying your 'success'.It's generally a problem with military leadership, especially incompetent one - they have no understanding of why they fight, just that they'd really like to.
>>64370264The city was full of tunnels and random holes between houses. If you don't put sandnigger one there you risk bad sandniggers ambushing you. ISIS hid suicide car bombs in garages and waited until they passed and then you have a car with a ton of TNT behind your humvee
>>64370266Good job, you just gave all those retards an exposed target who has to defend himself from a 360-degrees attacks, especially by attackers looking like civilians.
>>64370269You should apply at westpoint and tell them they have it wrong
>>64370239>a lot of dead Iraqis.Wikipedia says 1400 dead 8000 casualties overall, which is only about a weeks worth of Russian casualties in Ukraine for comparison
>>64370284No thanks, given that they taught these retards how to get involved in a quagmire like this.
>>64370289>"Official" battle orders are 10 to 1>90% of Iraqi battle order are towelheads and flipper-wearers with AKs>At least 9 months of bloody urban fighting, against defended positions, with car bombs and holes in buildings and tunnels and shit>"We killed them all" Iraqi commanders.>"We only lost 1,500 men" regards, Iraqi commanders.The numbers are obviously fucked. They'd need to drop 37 ISIS fighters daily on their home turf, while sustaining no more than 5 dead per day, while advancing on assault of prepared enemy positions.
>Population (2023)[2]>• Total 1,792,000Historically, how many cities with over one million inhabitants have successfully been taken in combat?
>>64370307We’re just that good, lol.
>>64370314>WeShould've defended your shithole muslim country better.
>>64370307>>64370317>They'd need to drop 37 ISIS fighters daily on their home turf, while sustaining no more than 5 dead per day, while advancing on assault of prepared enemy positions.The Iraqis had American fire support. The entire Iraqi action was enabled by American service members sending so much ordnance down range most of them got traumatic brain injuries from it.
>>64370406ISIS launched HUNDREDS of suicide car bombs and the place was booby trapped to all hell. Combined with thirdie face saving no way they lost that much
>>64370446Launched VBIEDs doesn't mean they made it to their targets.
>>64370406They're not kidding when they call it 21st century Stalingrad back then. Though I guess that title no longer applies now when Ukraine fiasco eclipsed it by a mile.
>>64370307>>64370446You fucking immature retard, 1500k dead in a counter-insurgency war is shitloads of casualties. That's most dead the US had in Afghanistan in 20 years.
>>64371581But that can't be possible, tens of thousands of Russians died in Bakhmut. What you're saying would suggest sand niggers with US support are more capable than Russia.
>>64370269>put a squad at every intersection>"DIGGERS could be here. I've never been in this neighborhood before!">gets attacked by ISIS despite being behind the front lineNow you possess a piece of information that you did not possess before: within a few hundred meters of the ambush squad there is a tunnel.Send in a specialized unit, find the tunnel, collapse it. Or better yet: narrow it down to a block, evacuate civies and blow up the entire block. Whatever is faster and less costly to life and property.ya dingus
>>64371581>1500k0.0001 iraqi dinar has been deposited into your account
>>64370680The fact that even normies know and remember Bakhmut is a pretty good testament to how bad it was.
>>64370307>They didn't suffer 1500 dead... because they just didn't okay!!!!Do you have literally any proof or is this just coping over the Iraqis actually being competent fighters and that going against your preconceived notions of how well Arabs can fight?
>>64373194>the Iraqis actually being competent fightersNTA but thank you for the laugh
>>64371819>Whatever is faster and less costly to life and property.ya dingusNot doing any of that dumb shit that could see your specialized unit turn into giblets as they walk into a trap, same way as the towelhead.That is the problem with this whole situation and the people who ran it, on a strategic level. There's this inane idea that you must fight hajis in some insane CQB bonanza, even though1) You achieve no goal doing that, strategic or operational2) If you absolutely must, siege tactics are much better than>The enemy has killed one of ours... GOOD! Send in more men into the kill zone!>We'll... blow up their tunnel... THROUGH THE AMBUSH! YES!>Only 5 losses per day effendi!
>>64373194Well funny story, since the quote on casualties is from Iraqi Commanders, it is actually up to them to provide proof of that. I'm merely doubting them.
>>64370307Yeah anon, that's why I was confused about you talking shitIraqi regulars fuck, they consistently outperform ever other (non western) force in the region - particularly against ISIS
>>64374628How'd they lose the country in the first place, then?
>>64374605I would imagine that there were a lot of losses from militias that weren't counted which would probably explain why it's so low
>>64374667Yeah the weird thing is, the battle order is already full of militias. That would imply there were other, even shittier militias that got subcontracted into doing all the dying, which would effectively mean that Iraqi rounded up random men, gave them guns and sent them into modern Stalingrad.
>>64374656They were fighting westerners
>>64374680... To ISIS, retard, to ISIS! There was no ISIS in Mosul when Saddam ran the place! Neither was there ISIS in Mosul when the coalition tried to rebuild it and ran counter-insurgency.
You also forgot how the Iraqis even lost Mosul in the first place. They literally abandoned and lost the whole city in 4 freaking days despite being a much large force than the ragheads of ISIS. And without US involvement they would never have capture Mosul again or would take long freaking ass time and even more losses, I think they definitely lost more than 1500 they say they did. Arabs have zero credibility’s when it comes to lay fact on the table. But yes, it was basically a modern Stalingrad but in much smaller scale and more regarded ‘armies’.
>>64370307yea the death count is so obviously turbojewfucked poop history
>>64374878>You also forgot how the Iraqis even lost Mosul in the first place. They literally abandoned and lost the whole city in 4 freaking days despite being a much large force than the ragheads of ISIS.I was actually tangentially involved in handling the 2015 refugee crisis, and checked the papers of foreigners, including Iraqi officers who ran away from there. Had a major just blatantly and unprompted admit to escaping from ISIS because his unit was being attacked, and processed also a colonel who at least didn't candidly admit to abandoning his duty, but did so all the same.It's no wonder ISIS spread so fast when the only people capable of organizing on-the-ground opposition to them just packed their bags and left, abandoning their troops to whatever fate.
>>64370284I dont think they accept white men any more
>>64371782How does rigging buildings with explosives stop aerial bombing? It makes it easier.
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