Are the Army Rangers SF or not? No one seems to be able to answer this.
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>>64375249I did, one answer says yes, the other no and a third saws maybe
>>64375248as of the modern day, they are special forces with a specialization in direct combatwhat separates them from plain old infantry is a very lean organization thats primarily fighting men and with more firepower spread out throughout the unit
>>64375249>no>>64375251>yes-.-
>>64375254arguments against their SF status are arrived via logical reasoning but they are officially classified as SF by the US army which would supersede any individual persons conclusion
>>64375248The ONLY Special Forces in the U.S. military are Army Special Forces (hence the name)There are SOF, under SOCOM. Army Ranger Regiment is "part time". The 75th can be called up into SOCOM and will for that period be SOF. The exception is the Ranger Recon Company, which is always under SOCOM. There are separately people who completed Ranger school but didn't ever go into the 75th. Those people are just normal soldiers wearing a merit badge.
>>64375248They're SOF, not SF. SOF is a generic umbrella term for elite infantry (mostly under JSOC, but not exclusively), SF is a specific unit within that category.
>>64375248They are janitors
>>64375279>There are separately people who completed Ranger school but didn't ever go into the 75th.This trips a lot of people up I've noticed>>64375293It's retarded and needs a better distinction than a single letter
>>64375348nooo
>>64375348https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj93wjEzW5w
>>64375349>it’s retarded and needs a better distinction than a single letterThose of us who grew up speaking English don’t have an issue with it you fucking retard
>>64375248If we invent "Moderately Special Forces" will you be fuckin happy?
>>64375258yah the army reasons better than any person!one!!
>>64375435Special Special Forces
>>64375435fucking kek, might as well
>>64375248They are Special Forces (the category) but not US Army Special Forces (the proper noun)
>>64375446that makes zero sense
>>64375453To an ESL, sure
>>64375457ETL akkshually
>>64375453thats because you are an early morning anti-US shitposter
>>64375442MODERATELY SPECIAL FORCES — Her Majesty’s Most Adequately Deadly RegimentAh yes, the Moderately Special Forces. Not quite “elite,” mind you — that would imply unnecessary enthusiasm — but rather efficiently competent men of measured distinction. The motto, embroidered in beige upon a slightly creased banner, reads: “Adequacy in Adversity.”Formed in the late 1970s when the Ministry of Defence accidentally ticked two boxes on a requisition form (“Special” and “Administrative”), the unit was conceived to fill the crucial gap between regular forces and those who actually know what they’re doing.Training is rigorous but not exhausting — a brisk jog before tea, a polite rappel down something no higher than a Waitrose roof, and an annual seminar on mindful ambush etiquette. The men are taught the art of stealth, provided it doesn’t involve crouching for too long, as that “plays hell with the knees.”Their operations are classified primarily because no one bothered writing them down. The most notable was the 1986 “Incident at the Café de l’Oiseau,” wherein the unit successfully infiltrated a Parisian bistro to retrieve a lost beret, only to discover it belonged to none of them. A flawless exercise in moderate confusion.Uniforms are standard issue with slight embellishments — a tasteful khaki sash and a badge depicting a shrugging badger. The weaponry is whatever’s available in the boot of the Land Rover, typically an old Enfield and an umbrella capable of “discouraging hostiles with polite firmness.”Command structure? Democratic. Decisions are made through a show of hands . The commanding officer, Major “Sort-of” Blenkinsop, is renowned for his strategy of “waiting until things improve.”They are neither the first to arrive nor the last to leave. They simply appear when convenient, conduct themselves with some valor, and depart.And so the Moderately Special Forces persist — Britain’s quiet reminder that heroism need not be loud.
>>64375460Speaking Canadian doesn't count.
>>64375491German, Russian, Engrish
They're the grunts Special Forces request when they need bodies
>>64375279>There are SOF, under SOCOM. Army Ranger Regiment is "part time". The 75th can be called up into SOCOM and will for that period be SOF. The exception is the Ranger Recon Company, which is always under SOCOM.you're thinking of jsoc, the 75th is under SOCOM, but the RRC operates with JSOC often.
>>64375446Makes sense.
>>64375475Thanks Chatgpt
op is a faggot threa
>>64375460>on the off chance this isn't baitokay lookthe US Army, in its great wisdom, created a unit named "US Special Forces". this is fucking retarded for obvious reasons. it's like naming your new phone product "Phone[tm]", or your new potato chip brand "Potato Chips[tm]". hence the confusion when people say "US special forces", or "US Army Special Forces", and also why the far more popular nickname "Green Berets" is used (I'm sure now you know which particular US military units I'm talking about)>>64375293>They're SOF, not SF. SOF is a generic umbrella term for elite infantry (mostly under JSOC, but not exclusively), SF is a specific unit within that categorySpecial Operations Forces is a term invented by NATO probably to get around this stupidity. however, since "Special Forces" was indeed the original noun used to describe these elite units of various countries, all countries and even NATO itself tend to use the phrase "special forces" instead of "special operations forces". so the term "SOF" has not really caught on.
>>64375902it's only half AI I got sick of writing it
>>64376181kek
>>64375248People who went to ranger school can be or can not be, because anyone from any branch who is good enough can go to and pass ranger school.The ranger regiment is special forces for direct combat.
>>64376503OP obviously means the 75th not the course
>>64375248Rangers are infantry squared. Everything regular infantry do they just do harder and better. They don’t go super into the sneaky snake, cloak and dagger bullshit. They aren’t special forces so much as they’re the modern equivalent to shock troops.
>>64376536Best explanation ITT. Can they do the sneaky sneak shit if there's no choice or they are not trained for it at all?
>>64375248On a somewhat related note, are the 82nd Airborne elite infantry? It seems like every time we deploy additional troops somewhere as a show of force it's them.
>>64376536Rangers are light infantry specialized in forest/jungle warfare.
>>64376558Technically no, only the 101st can claim that imho, but if you compare it to other countries then USA and Russia can cl;aim their airbone units as more elite. The rest of the world it's just regular forces. My two cents.
>>64375250I don't knowCan you repeat the question?
>>64376536They fill in a similar niche to shock troops for the US Army, but I wouldn't call their tactics shock tactics.
>>64375279You're confusing JSOC with SOCOM. The 75th is under SOCOM, but can be tasked to work with JSOC.
>>64376558>are the 82nd Airborne elite infantry?No. They're just regular infantry that get paid a little more because they can parachute.
>>64375279>Ranger schoolyou dont need to go to Ranger school to be in the 75th
Only soldiers with the Special Forces tab are considered Special Forces.
>>64376690Mostly true but they also seem to be the preferred unit for testing new equipment, see XM7 and before that IVAS
>>64376905So what? 1st ID was tested that new grenade launcher before anyone else.
Are Rangers SF>noAre Rangers SOF>yeseasy
>>64377084there shouldn't be two terms that are so similar as to be interchangeable describing two different things
>>64377090
>>64375248Why does it matter? Every branch has a job. None of them are more special than the other.
>>64377129everyone wants to be special nowadays, no one wants to be regular military
>>64375248No, they are Special Operations, Green Berets are Special ForcesWhy? Fuck you, 'Merica doorkickin' freedom delivery, that's why.
>>64377090One is a term. The other is a name.
>>64375248Yeah, they're SF. Super Faggots!
>>64377129I agree. A Delta Force Sniper and a National Guard cook are exactly on the same level as each other and are of the same worth (and also should be paid the same)
>>64377613based cooks finally getting respect
>>64376558Light infantry units- 82nd, 101st, 10th mtn being the big three- tend to be more "elite" in that they are infantry in a more pure form than say, mechanized or heavy infantry units. They can dedicate more time and more money that would otherwise be spent on vehicles in mech/heavy infantry units on better/more frequent training and better equipment.Mech/armor units aren't necessarily "less elite", they just dont get to spend the lions share of their time and money on squad/platoon/company level tactics and training because their vehicles eat up so much of their budget and schedule. Ranger Regiment is a truly elite light infantry force in that they fall under SOCOM and thus get a larger budget for better equipment and training events, as well as having 2 layers of gated selection events (RASP1 and Airborne school) to filter out underperformers at the start. They're also able to boot out anyone in regiment or "Release For Standards" (RFS) if an individual fails to meet their standards or does some fuck shit like get arrested, get a DUI, etc. Regular light units don't enjoy these benefits so while their training and budget is still pretty good, they can't truly trim the fat and select who they want like 75 can.
>>64375437that isnt, or shouldnt, be a controversial position
>>64377613>>64377615that's "replenisher" to you, civilians.
>>64378971Airborne School isn't hard at all. It has like a 90% graduation rate.
>>64379008So the military stopped caring about stolen valor, huh?
>>64375248There was this yank in my platoon at the school of infantry back in 2012 who was in 3rd Battalion 75th Ranger Regiment back in the early 2000s. He went to Iraq and Afghanistan a few times and got out, moved to Australia and then joined our Army after 5 years because he missed being a soldier. He was 30 trying to keep up with us 18 year olds but he said multiple times throughout our infantry course that the training we were doing was significantly more advanced and more intelligent than what he did when he went through his Ranger stuff. He said you mostly just get made to do a lot of PT for 3 weeks and then do a very basic and rushed infantry orientation and end up at your Battalion barely trained and you just have to pick things up as you go along and learn from the guys in your platoon. He said in his last year of service that guys were arriving at Ranger Battalion and deploying straight away with no idea what they were doing and a lot of young inexperienced Rangers died in Iraq because of it. Having heard all this first hand from a guy who had a stack of medals to prove he did the actual job, I don't think Rangers or Americans in general have any elite Infantry if the supposed cream of the crop Regiment was making 18 year olds do 3 weeks of running and pushups then sending them running into buildings to get blown up by IEDs.
>>6437897110th Mtn is probably the most underrated unit in the military, cool history and a capability that few countries besides the Nordic ones have.
They're not "SF" -- they're elite light infantry. (In principle, anyway.) Simple as.
>>64379008lmao, I love that one.
>>64375248>Are the Army Rangers SF or not?My heart says they are
>>64375251Aren't they better in harsh terrain?
Rangers are SOF (Special Operations Forces) and not SF (Special Forces).The difference?In layman's SOF 'generally' work within the confines of tactical and strategic military objectives, whereas SF has a footing in subterfuge and wet works; One is tilts towards military objectives and the other statecraft.
>>64375249Google is absolute shit since fully embracing pajeets and A.I.
>>64375248Area beautification specialists.
>>64375460So you live in a shithole with a neighboring country that is such a shithole its people cannot even speak English?
>>64375248No, retard. They're SOF, but they are not SF.
>>64379456>>64379570that's the most retarded distinction without a difference and is utterly confusing, bravo. literally a fucking letter.
>>64379549What? How did you come up with that conclusion?!?! ETL means I speak three languages and learned English last.
>>This entire thread>navy seals, delta force and marsoc aren't special forces either, because the US army called dibs first.We already have a term for the tier:2 US special forces, they are called "green berets" that term was invented to stop the confusion.
>>64375248yes. they have a separate BMT and are held to much higher PT standards than the infantry grunts are. they also have a more unique than usual specialization when deployed.
>>64375475Write it your jokes yourself you lazy faggot
>>64376100finally someone who isn't semantically retarded. the world is filling up with people who don't understand how sentences work
>>64379673>are held to much higher PT standards than the infantry grunts areAren't Infantrymen expected to 300 everything or they get into shit? Just passing your PT test is for the band
>>64379515I recently googled a problem with my phone. I put in the exact model number and googled completely ignored it and gave me problems of other models.
>>64379831I think he's talking about the Ranger 5 mile run, their pull ups, and other stuff. They have their own PT test in addition to the Army PT test.
>>64379831there is a minimum cutoff score and then a range of scores above the minimum cutoff that will send people to fat camp. scoring below the minimum is a failure. scoring within fat camp range is frowned upon. scoring above fat camp range is the only real passing score. it's a bullshit system where a "pass" isn't a "pass".
>>64379068RASP, on the other hand...
>>64379070The only valor stolen is by volunteers who signed up knowing what they were in for. Only draftees have real valor.
>>64375248They are considering a Special Operations Force. However they are not THE Army Special Forces.
>>64375248Who fucking cares? You're not a ranger or sf and you never will be so what does it matter?
>>64379161>>64378971>82nd, 101st, 10th MTN>forgetting America's premier airborne divisionI shiggy
>>64381538I'm stationed here right now and it's aight I guess. NCO academy over there is run by a fucking retarded lunatic though.
