If you want a picture of the future of warfare, imagine a gif of a drone killing a human—looped, forever.
>>64375474The Ma Deuce is eternal.
>of the futureNigga, Ukies killed like 100 cubicks with a single remote MG in 2022/2023 (vatniks were trying to kill some "fanatical hohols entrenched in a stronghold" by rushing through the cone of fire lol)
>Wall-E kamikaze land droneWalleed al-Hajeed; TENNO HEIKA ACKBAR!
>>64375474Obligatory
>>64375474Anon, we've had remote MGs for over a hundred years.
>>64375474Wouldn't it be more ideal to mount the camera on a second tripod, so your view isn't constantly disrupted by the recoil of the gun?
>>64375607You're thinking like a capitalist. None of these ex-warsaw pact shitholes have any brain cells to rub together.
>>64375607Too complicated. The better solution is to tune your dampener better.
Killing is easy the future is drones capturing some one alive and bringing him back to a base
>>64375474Alteranatively you could just not invade your neighbors and only engage in killing thirdies from the air.
>>64375474Why do people act as if remote controlled turrets are some kind of high tech magic?Any retard can slap that together for a few hundred bucks.
>>64375607Then how the hell are you going to aim?
>>64375607>Wouldn't it be more ideal to mount the camera on a second tripod, so your view isn't constantly disrupted by the recoil of the gun?It's obvious this is early days and under development. Easiest answer is just to work on more recoil damping over time. There's value here in just having a single unit that can be set up and there's no reason the camera can't have proper stabilization.More importantly though it's also obvious that the long term here is autonomous turrets operating in area denial or where a human turret commander is using battlefield management software with inputs from drones and towers and shit all over to designate hostiles and say when to engage, but the turrets themselves are actually doing the ballistic calcs and visual (or other sensor) guidance automatically at the speed of calculation. The computers won't be bothered by some camera jerk they can process much faster than that.
>>64375845>precise measurement of angle>earth's magnetic fieldtop fucking kek
>>64375607It's a machine gun, not a sniper rifle.Corrected burst fire is how it's taught to be used at range anyway.Most likely there would be other means of overwatch observation as well, that wouldn't require such strict sync to the gun.Also this:>>64375767Never seen a M2 jump so badly before.
>>64375474Could an high power IR laser cook that camera from a distance? If directional infrared countermeasures can zap a missile from a moving aircraft two static positions should be ez right?>robots fighting robots fighting meatbagsTerrifying.
>>64375767>>64375872>>64375898Agreed. Seems like there's an irritating tendency of people to see some under development thing and treat it like it's the generation 5 super refined final deployed deal with nowhere else to go. Like, they're doing rough experiments on the cheap and typically with tiny teams, in any given video you see they may just be interested in testing one thing and were fiddling with it until 30 seconds before the video. If it doesn't need to not jump because they're confident they can just work on damping later then why bother working on it now, that's not the novel aspect here.
>>64375912Why IR? You can just filter that out easily since this is running visually. That said longer term it's obvious there will be widely distributed ubiquitous sensor networks in play, encompassing a ton of different sources (vis, short and long wave IR, UV, radar, lidar, whatever) on different platforms ground/sea/air/space. Laser weapons will be part of the mix too but there aren't any simple "counters" here, just mass attrition, positioning and logistics.
>>64375939>why IR? I've just got experience working with IR specific countermeasure systems. A strong enough laser in most wavelengths could cook a sensor though I bet. With computer targeting I bet we see the laser countermeasure systems of the air transition to the ground war.
>>64375474that's not really a drone now is it
>>64375949Cameras are fucking cheap though, a modern zoom phone camera system is plenty good enough for this sort of role and BOM is like $11. Trivial to have not just dozens but hundreds to thousands of them scattered around, all behind flash hiders and shit too. Meanwhile a laser requires LOS, so by definition it's going to be a target for, well, all the fucking HMG auto turrets (and auto mortars) covering the zone. I'm sure blinders will be part of the equation for attempting to attack such a position but won't be trivial.
>>64375474hopefully it's the future of my property defense
>>64375767Think it could use a little more weight on the front leg of the tripod too, a sandbag or two can do wonders.
>>64375607>wouldn't it be more ideal to turn "boresight the camera and shoot" into battleship-fire-control-unit-levels of trigonometry that also happens to require you knowing the range to target at all times?fucking genius, anonyou're hired
>>64376078Just tracer it bro. With all the slack in the system its not that precise past first shot.
>>64375832That's a good question but you asked it in bad faith so don't expect anyone to answer it.
>>64375812>megaman predicted the future
>>64375474It's just a remote turret. Like South Korea or Israel put on their border walls decades ago or like we put on bombers in the 50's. It's pretty neat that you can build one now for 50 bucks with a PSP and a phone camera but it's not transforming the battlefield yet.It's good in specific situations, like manning those border walls around the clock for years, and the static sparsely defended lines in Ukraine where it's dangerous to leave the dugout have been good for it, but the kind of drone that's been transforming the battlefield is the kind that you can deploy from miles away and flies instead of the one that has to be deployed and maintained where it shoots and can't move.Okay, so take the OP and put it on treads or the back of a robot dog or some shit. That could work but now the cost has sharply increased and drones that can fly around with 50 gram 3d printed propellers start looking better again.>>64375607Recoil is real, your whole turret shifting or settling into the ground or getting knocked around by a blast is real, the cool thing about a camera fixed to the gun barrel is that it automatically adjusts the crosshair to match reality like magic. If there's so much recoil the user gets dizzy fix the recoil problem.
>>64375607>>64376534And since 'just fix the recoil so it's not a problem in the first place lmao' is non-answer, I think the cheapest actual solution would be to just use image stabilization while letting the crosshair float to match the actual center.Since you're already looking at a camera feed through a computer screen, software solutions are free.
>>64376170No, I didn't, you faggot.
>>64376665You're still doing it. You need to undo the damage your teenage edgelord phase did to your vocabulary.
>>64375607No, the soft mount just needs more tuning so it doesn't rattle around like that.
>>64375607it's a screen, you just use software to center the field of view around the cursoryou could also have the cursor moveable independently from the point of impact, that way you can point where you want to shoot and have the gun adjust to it afterwards instead of trying to directly control the sluggish motorkinda like how a lot of games handle tank cannon controls or aircraft guns
>>64375474>steam deckIs there a reason to use it as the controller specifically? They're more expensive than a more basic handheld device which could still presumably run the control software.
>>64376870The 'eck is linux which is a plus for codefags and it's a laptop just shaped like a consoleThe right joystick moves the mouse cursor
>>64375474>—If you want a picture of the future of the internet, imagine a jeet GPT-posting - looped, forever.
>>64375474You guys think once the war is over the market will be flooded with cheap steam decks?
>>64375474Why are they buying steam decks even a cheap mobile phone can be used. I think someone is embezzling war funds
>>64376870comes feature complete at scale $399.99 is not terrible for a handheld device with controls and a full OS suite. there's a reason it's pretty popular in poorfag countries, lots of power in a small and relatively cheap package.
>>64376870>>64377077worked for a startup once and the #1 priority was putting the gucciest possible user interface in the prospective customer's hand, #2 was making an actual working backend after the funding came from #1. And $400 was the cost of having a meeting.Even adjusting for slavic poverty a steam deck is nothing in a product prototype - if the government showers you in money and actual mass production starts maybe you port it over to the cheapest chinese handheld that runs linux and worry if that gives the codemonkeys a few headaches later.
>>64376870Not that I work for them or anything, but $400 is completely irrelevant as a cost here vs everything else. Like, just in terms of ammo 50bmg is 300-400cpr in bulk, do the math on how much money we see being sprayed there just in OP's video. It matters more that any development effort they do is amortized well, so that means picking something that's fully open source, that in principle you can adapt to other hardware entirely if you ever need to, that reasonably well built, with some consideration in the design and ongoing dev work to low latency, etc. It's pretty solid stuff and the core project benefits from having a major US corp behind it that has been around a long time and looks to continue to be around a long time. It's got enough of a community as well that there's a significant amount of tooling and building interest. You can get them in large, standard quantities. You can be pretty assured that is another few years it'll still be readily available, probably upgraded as well but with backwards compat. It's got enough extra power on tap that if they have more ambitious stuff they want to do at some point (SDR for resilient longer range encrypted links? more AI for controls? more networked data inputs?) they probably won't run right into a wall. Finally extra power can be useful purely for the laziness factor: if you're in a big fucking hurry for development, being able to just throw more resources at the software instead of spending time optimizing might be a worthwhile tradeoff.Dunno if there are any more basic technical reasons but given the cost is so low regardless it doesn't strike me as an unreasonable choice to build around in a situation like that.
>>64375474How are those things reloaded?
>>64376870Linux based for its OS, relatively cheap, Steam Decks are also rugged enough for battlefield use, and they're being produced in high enough numbers and high enough quality that its a no-brainer to buy them in bulk
>>64377444There's also the fact that they're battery operated with swappable batteries so its also a matter of weight, ease of use, and being able to change out batteries in seconds instead of having to hook it up to an electrical source to charge it
>>64377430how do ya think?That's why they haven't dominated warfare since they become possible to put in the hands of infantry decades ago. It's a worse infantryman than can't move and then you still need an infantryman to run out to service it.
>>64377462It would seem to me designing a drone capable of servicing unmanned positions in voatile locations on the front like that could make them a lot more viable.
>>64377889Those drones are called conscripts.
>>64377889that's a pretty complicated robot to make.The richest countries in the world don't have all robot cooks, robot janitors, robot grocery store stockers etc yet because seemingly very simple tasks of grasping and moving and manipulating stuff is really hard to make a robot for. Moravec's paradox and shit.You want a robot to traverse through muddy trenchlines and reload and clear jams on a .50 cal? Give me a crack team of silicon valley engineers and 5 years, or have Pyotor go reload the gun.
>>64375474The XM307 would have been perfect for this, fucking congress.
>>64375474it just need a speaker to randomly tell>kill ziggers>fuck ziggers
>>64375474Why are they using a Steam Deck?
>>64375767>>64375832>>64376078These anons have astounding levels of ignorance of how easy it is to slave a remote gimbal camera to a solenoid setup.
>>64378613Revive it, give it a next gen recoil system and chamber it in 30×113.
>>64375607DARPA HIRE THIS MAN
>>64375494Unfortunately ever since that day near Avdiivka I haven't heard of any more serious uses of robotic turrets
>>64379509It’s already using a variant of the XM-204s recoil system, that’s about as soft as it gets. What it would really need is a set of servo motors on its (very conveniently placed) azimuth and elevation handwheels and an improved FCS with a battery and network connection. Rechambering it and giving it a new feed mech should be easy as pie given that they’re hot swappable. The engineers could even reuse the dual feed and electronic charging system from the mounted prototypes. Going even further, if the program was never cancelled then we could have figured out that 25mm grenades are shitty even sooner and avoided the XM-25 procurement failure entirely as GDLS and Nammo would already be working on a parallel fire control for smart grenades.Unfortunately, the program was shitcanned sometime between 2007-2008.Thanks, Obama.
>>64375912>Could an high power IR laser cook that camera from a distance?unlikely, usually they just damage few individual pixels of the camera, not the entire thing
>>64375549Kek
>>64380591Depends on how many filters there are between the sensor and the laser, the lasers wavelength and power, and the asmospheric conditions between them both. A couple of styropyro videos demonstrate how dangerous high power lasers can be to camera sensors without protection, militaries aren’t restricted to commercially available laser diodes or improvised optics.
>>64375474ISIS had those in Syria like 10 years ago.
>>64375898>It's a machine gun, not a sniper rifle.Remote sniper systems when? Those would be some nice surprise boxes to leave behind in a town before retreating.
>>64381493You've now reminded me of that one episode of Stand Alone Complex
>>64375474based
>>64377000cursed
