Why don't the US military develop a low-cost missile for anti-boat operations? Using Hellfires is a waste of money.
>>64377473Considering they have a lifespan of 10 years, it probably costs less to deploy it that it does to dispose of it. Win-win really.
>>64377491What gives it the 10 year life span? Is it the propellant? I've heard something about the optics needing to be cooled or some shit.
>>64377473The US just spent twenty years bombing mud huts that nobody wanted in the middle of fucking nowhere. Defense spending per year could probably feed or provide clean water to several third world countries for a decade. Cost is an afterthought.
>>64377473more types of missiles don't necessarily make things cheaper, they become cheaper when you make enough of the same type to offset the manufacturing equipment and design and when the contractors can actually produce the components in production runs that enable them to optimize for per unit price
They're already dirt cheap. $100k is nothing compared to the $2m of a NSM or $3m of a LRASM.
>>64377473hellfires are pretty cheap desu and they benifit from economies of scale and having them in inventory already
>>64377496Cooling for infrared missiles is only while the seeker is active, as long as it's stored in proper conditions it should last significantly longer than the propellant.
>>64377473>Why don't
>>64377510So it's likely the propellant that gives it a 10 year life span? Or was he just talking shit?
>>64377473Did you mean APKWS or Quick Sink?
apkws?
>>64377517I wish I had the vid of the quick sink test literally cutting that decomissioned shipping vessel in half…
>>64377517Next OP is gonna complain that $25k is not cheap enough
>>64377515Propellant and also the HE in the warhead. Both undergo slow chemical decomposition that makes them less stable over time. It's not that they don't work anymore just that you're running the risk of it blowing up when it's not supposed to.
>>64377473usually what we do is hose them down with .50 if they don't comply with the intercept, so we already have a low-cost way to intercept them.
>>64377525https://youtu.be/37qDHY9b6Lk?si=Ae6t8SXLVix7bhq1
>>64377517APKWS really does seem like the most important weapon system the US has developed in like 10 years at least, particularly its novel role in drone defense. The ultimate multi-role missile
>>64377473How many dollars do you reckon it costs to deploy the US navy to intercept some drug smuggling boats before that missile gets launched?That cost is to the cost of a hellfire as the cost of a hellfire is to a small boat.As other anons said, use the relatively cheap and extremely effective thing already in inventory and ramp up the factory to make more if we have to.
>>64377473An ideal real world example justifying a converted cargo ship as a low intensity littoral biplane carrier/logistical base. Give it a few dozen Po-2M/A seaplane variants, a tower/tether for a couple of small recon Zepplins and so cranes for small boat/seaplane recovery and it could be out the blasting the things for half a year at least using small boat/Cargo Biplane/helicopter resupply. The total cost would probably be a fraction of that of the monthly operating costs of the current naval deployment, the planes alone would cost less than a Hellfire each. An APKWS to kill the boat and two 50kg bombs to finish them off, one to kill the survivors in the water and a second one filled with chum to clean up.
>>64377590Better yet, have operators rappel down from the planes with katanas and melee attack the drug dealers.
>>64377596Given that most speed boats have a top speed that is higher than a Po-2s stall speed that is technically a viable option.
>>64377596Unironically, if the US created their own Sardaukar, it'd probably be the most based thing to happen in military in a while.
>>64377473They are looking at lasers as a way of disabling boats at low cost and no collateral damageBut the 5in gun can disable small boats at lower cost than the missiles, the CIWS can also depress low enough to hit surface targets, and small caliber weapons like the .50s and the 25mm bushmaster can be used as close in defense already exist as low cost alternatives to missilesBut the situations where small boats pose a threat are highly limitedBasically hugging an enemy coastline while civilian traffic is still highAnd no one is going to really regret sinking a target even at high cost if it means saving the vessel
>>64377473They just use airburst HE to kill whatever boat at 5 miles with the 127mm
>>64377473This is a case of OP being a faggot and not understanding his own question. OP, its the US. We have literally infinite money forever and have zero reason to try to bring a war in under budget. Money is not a consideration, murdering all the chinks so we can bail our debts out on the back of their confiscated lands and resources is what matters.In a broader, general war sense, you spend as much money as you need to, even money you don't have, because the only important thing is winning the war. If you win, you can pay your debts using your opponent's money, if you lose, you become a conquered power and they can leverage as much debt or war reparations on you as they want with no way for you to control it. Worrying about money prior to the end of the war when the bill comes due doesn't make any sense - if cheaping out makes you lose the war, you have to pay for your war AND your opponent's war.
>>64377473The point is to make money off of war, not to actually accomplish anything lol. The government is owned by war profiteers.
>>64377543APKWS only seems important because we're doing police actions and other things where there is a zero threat environment and the question is simply how do we do this for the longest without breaking into money we'd like to be spending on real weapon systems. It's a great little problem solver, but it's usefulness is over-represented because no one is shooting back.
>>64377473You could save more money by not illegally murdering civilians in international waters
>>64377473Quicksink just seems mean, cant they airburst a jdam?
>>64377701You're right, we should target Chinese fishing vessels instead
>>64377491that's not how it works, missiles are overhauled after 10 years, sometimes multiple times before it's uneconomical
>>64377523Advanced PrecisionKill Weapon SystemIt's a SARH guidance package for a Hydra 70 rocket. Also comes in IR seeker. >>64377542You are a Scholar and a Gentleman, good sir.>>64377543And the kicker is that we've got Tons of Hydra 70s just sitting around, being useless because they're not precise enough. The design has already been through it's teething troubles so we don't need to worry about finicky detonators or exploding rocket motors. >>64377698I think you're underestimating what you can do with SARH seekers. It's a bit like laser guidance but you don't need specialized gear or clear weather. Just about any AESA radar should be able to illuminate a target for APKWS. It also doesn't need Datalink channels so you could use APKWS for a saturation attack against targets with point defense.
>>64377473>Why don't the US military develop a low-cost missile for anti-boat operations?Probably because the missiles intended for similarly maneuverable ground targets work just fine.
>>64377843It's fundamentally a short ranged weapon system that can only really be employed against targets that are incapable of fighting back in any appreciable manner while also not being hardened enough to require a larger warhead because any risk to the launching platform makes it a much higher effective cost in the calculus. It's really fucking nifty, and great as a toolkit to have in no threat environments, but even just in the missile field, things like SM and Tomahawk blocks are way more important and useful if we ever get into an actual shooting war.
>>64377473Haven't we started using guided rockets converted from dumbfire models now for these sorts of targets? Could have sworn it was mentioned to be in active service now.
>>643774731 Hellfire missile: $160KAnnual military recruiting advertising budget: $300 million (1,875 Hellfire missiles) Blowing up a bunch of cartel shitskins seems like a much better recruiting ad than any of the actual recruiting ads.
>>64377843SALH, not SARH.
>>64377698Yeah but it's significantly more cost effective than prior options, which is the most common argument against such actions.
>>64377698That's the point, and why its so fucking rad
>>64378018Against most targets outside of exactly prop driven cope cruise missiles, you could use a JDAM well enough which is around the same unit cost as an APKWS. It's great to have a dollar tree Sidewinder for shooting down said drones, but I think it's overselling it to call it the most important weapon development the US has made in the last decade. The really cool stuff just doesn't get to shine until China does the funny.
>>64377473>Using Hellfires is a waste of money.LMAO no it isnt>gif relatedI want to see some of *THIS* shit used on cartel scum
>>64378055>pic relatedand use this shooting an anti-ship missile as a flexthe idea the US Marine Corp™ new job is wasting cartels is motivational to say the least
>>64377473If they're targeting boats of that size they can literally just drop a 5 gallon gas can duct taped to a flare onto it.
>>64377473Not to derail the thread but it's extremely funny that all of the Bush-era neocons who got up to shit 100x as questionable as striking obvious drug boats are now writing articles and doing interviews saying Trump is violating the law because they're still assmad they got iced out of party infrastructure after his takeover in 2016
>>64377497Why the FUCK would you want to feed and water a bunch of third worlders?
>>64377473Small boats are so vulnerable you only use missiles for propaganda, in a war you use cannons be it 30mm from a chopper, 25mm or 20mm from a plane, a deck gun or a CWIS.
>>64377473>Using Hellfires is a waste of moneyAnd who the fuck are you to say so?
>>64378289Yeah the issue seems kind of moot to me. If a boat is small enough that a hellfire would be too poor of an economic exchange, then it would not be able to carry and launch a munition with enough fuel to go very far while carrying a useful payload so you could kill it outside of its range with a deck mounted gun. If it was large enough to carry a small anti ship missile with a dozen miles of range + a significant warhead (50+ lbs) and launch it without sinking the boat then it's going to require something that is close enough in cost to a hellfire to not worry about "wasting one".
>>64378323Yep, the only way a tiny boat like that is a real threat to anything is if it has a MANPAD or ATGM on it meaning you are using a missile to destroy missiles.
>>64378055What ship was that, and what hit it?
>>64378289>CWISCIWS... Close In Weapon SystemI think nu-/k/ thinks it's called sea-wiz
>>64378420newfag calling others newfagseveryone says "sea-wiz" and has been doing it since the 80s
>>64377473Because they were never supposed to blow up random (and alleged) drug smuggler tubs. Standard procedure before that retard showed up was board and arrest, and it worked just fine for decades.
>>64378420Correct, you get a cookie.Now what is defined as "close in" in naval terms?>the gun will prioritize the first six threats it sees at about 10,000 yards (9,100 m) and engage at 4,000 yards (3,600 m)http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_Phalanx.php3.6km is still pretty far anon.
>>64377498Besides we already have the APKWS, which only costs a fraction of the hellfire. And that one may not be big enough to reliably get everybody on a large 30-40 foot boat.
>>64377537It's not even that they become that unreliable either, it's that they exceed the extremely high margins of reliability they're expected to have. The missile will still probably work just fine 90% of the time, fail to reach the target 4.999% of the time, fail to explode as designed 4.999% of the time, and have a .001% chance of just blowing up on launch. However because the expected risk of catastrophic failure is .00001%, it's a couple orders of magnitude less reliable than it should be. These numbers are hyperbole of course but it's a big part of the reason US weapons cost so much. Compare that to WW2 (and older) shells blowing up artillery pieces 80 years after the fact with enough frequency that it's just a normal risk and it makes a lot of sense why the west simply gets rid of old stockpiled munitions every year.
>>64377540Cartels have .50 cal too, even .50 cal sniper rifles. If they are within your range then you are in their range.
>Why doesn't the US military waste millions/billions to dev a new weapon to inefficiently swat gnats?It is called a drone, or if you want to go green for the environment, a high powered laser. You can even put a beam splitter on the laser to burn a hole through the brains of each target simultaneously, for the low low cost of a couple hours of a Tesla charge station.Everyone knows hellfires are wasteful for such. They were obliterated for the worldwide spectacle and thrill of political theatre. Modern day roman gladiatorial sacrifices. What better a target than drug lords, hmm? It is fully verified that they do infact disintegrate the destiny of every 1st worlder they infect with their wasteful narcotic trash. You a druggy?Or are you another plant fishing for pity for them? You'd suck the cock of a demon while watching it saw off the head of your loved ones nearby, I'd bet.But yeah. Ancient equipment. GOOD THREAD OP, TIL NEXT TIME CHAMP
>>64378420for me they're always called point defense
>>64378415Some old transport in a sinkex, and IIRC it was a P1000 Vulkan.
>>64378500Retard. Dronefags need to get roped.
>>64377473Hellfires expire, and they are in the middle of replacing them with JAGM. So, it's a win, win, win situation: clearing out the old, making room for the new; giving your crew valuable live fire training for when they have to BTFO Chiner's Navy (70% fishing boats); and not having to pay to decommission the old Hellfires.>>64377491Solid rocket fuel is cast into the aft body, as it ages it shrinks anf forms cracks - just like Play-Doh does if you leave the lid loose or off. If you ignite the rocket, those cracks cause it to explode like a bomb.
>>64378516I'll never understand why it's so fucking expensive to decommission munitions, captured munitions are piled up with some blocks of C4 on top but we need to pay MIC grift prices to get rid of ours.
>>64378561EPA
>>64378572Military equipment is exempt from EPA rules, the fuels used in boosters are exempt and explosives are legal.
>>64378580>Military equipment is exempt from EPA rulesyeah but your drinking water isn't exempt from military equipment
>>64378590The ground water under the Nevada National Security Site can't get any worse, do it there.
>>64377473Why don't they give it a burst from the cannon? All it would take is one hole.
>>64377679Except when you start losing and people stop extending you loans or jack up interest rates to compensate for risk.
>>64378652>Why don't they give it a burst from the cannon? All it would take is one hole.Because no Trump photo op
>>64377701>Sentence for snuggling/piracy has been death since the earliest days of naval history >It is international news that the US declares "Narco boats WILL be sunk">Narco boat is sunk>NOOOO NOT THE INNOCENT HECKIN NARCORINOS THEY DIN DO NUFFINAnd here's where you try to counter with>bu-bu-buh you don't KNOW that it was a Narco boat! Perhaps it was a fisherman... With 4 $50,000+ dollar outboards, no fishing equipment, no comms, specialist custom made hullform, ignoring all hails, going outside fishing traffic areas, with visible barrels full of... Well, not drugs that's for sure!And I'll just keep laughing at your pathetic brownoid seethe.Hahahahaha! Hehehehe! Hohoho! What a fool you are!
>>64378704>Sentence for snuggling/piracy has been death since the earliest days of naval historyAre you really going to appeal to the past, as if what we did 300 years ago is either desirable or even relevant?
>>64378714different anon here but .. you can put pirates and brigands to death under current laws of war, they don't get POW rightsI guess technically you're supposed to give them a trial before doing it but I am not sure if they have to be present for the trial
>>64378714I agree. We should abandon the 2nd Amendment since it's just a piece of old text.
>>64377473Hey wait a minute I was told the US was blowing up ratty little fishing boats made out of palm fronds and a 50 year old two stroke engine.Why is this a deep hull speedboat full of suspicious barrels, no fishing gear, and no fish?
>>64378892Most suspicious thing is maduro hasn't published the identities of the deceased
>>64377473It's called the APKWS II, and it works great.
>>64378874theres a reason why amendments are continuously being addedit is a little crazy to think that a bunch of people who didnt even have lightbulbs should be able to anticipate every single future developmentjust from a logical standpoint, "we did X in the past, therefore X today is fine" does not follow, otherwise we would be able to say dancing and singing should be banned because oliver cromwell did that
>>64378676>The US>LosingPick one (1).
>>64378920Carthage was done in from inside by greed of single senatorial family after being an empire for over 600 years
>>64378274I dunno…but the US did exactly that for 20 years in Afghanistan so…
>>64377473They don't care about your money. Work harder g*yim.
>>64378917>just from a logical standpoint, "we did X in the past, therefore X today is fine" does not follow,You know the inverse is also true and saying something is bad because it's old isn't an argument
>>64378917People don't change. Go read a lot of history starting with what we can piece together from the levantine bronze age.The important thing is keeping rules hard set and forcing people to mold to them. without that you get your collapse.I liken it to how the police have largely stopped pulling people over for traffic misdemeanors, and the driving habits of people have begun to go completely insane and unsafe.Stopped enforcing the rules, then the behavioral collapse happened.Got nothing to do with light bulbs. Your mind is too small.
>>64377876>Martlet Light Multirole Missile>Can mount 20 to a light helicopter>Range about 8km>Armour/hull piecing warhead>Multimode seeker including beam riding, IR seeker, and inertial/GPS guidance>A relative of Starstreak, can be mounted on anything from a shoulder fired launcher, to a naval gun mount, to a drone.
>>64378471It is not.Against subsonic missiles going 1000km/h, it means you have 20 seconds between detection and interception, with about 12 seconds for the interception itself. If each CIWS has to handle 6 threaths, that's about 2 seconds per missile. Nos, that's not impossible but it's a impressive technical feat. It's also à roll of dices and means that every sailor on board is clenching.Now, using CIWS against small boats... That means you have to get close to do it.Your big-ass ship is sailing at roughly 40 km/h. Those cartel speedboats have a lot more speed : that's in the name. Which means plotting an intercept if your fire range is less than 4 km is a nightmare.Hence using planes or chopper + missiles : you are faster than those speedboats, now. And your fire range is now double to triple too, which helps.
>>64378714Are you arguing that 300 years of history making examples of pirates wasn't enough for these subhuman thirdoids to learn from? Or that they should be allowed to do as they please after being told in completely clear terms "WE WILL SINK YOU IF YOU TRY THIS SHIT"?Pro tip- pirates have been sentenced to death for far, far longer than 300 years. As you are a retarded nigger you deserve no more effort than a ChatGPT result.
>>64379135>piratesWhich ships have they stolen from lately?
>>64379135>Are you arguing that 300 years of history making examples of pirates wasn't enough for these subhuman thirdoids to learn frommore like arguing that you shouldnt use "we did this in the past, therefore we should do this today" in argument, because it does not logically follow>Or that they should be allowed to do as they please after being told in completely clear terms "this is another logical fallacy, since "we shouldnt punish anyone at all" does not logically follow from "we used to do this before, therefore we should do this today"
>>64379165NTA but reasons we should blow up brownoids in drug boats>it sends a strong message>it’s funny>they already hate us anywaysReasons we shouldn’t>uhhh it costs too much money (not really and the drugs are worth more than the missile anyway)>international law (lmao)
>>64379164the definition give to prate under international law is wider.art. 101 of UNCLOS defines it as:(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act ofdepredation, committed for private ends by the crew or thepassengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed:(i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, oragainst persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;(ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a placeoutside the jurisdiction of any State;(b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship orof an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship oraircraft;(c) any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an actdescribed in subparagraph (a) or (b).while drug smuggling in and of it's self doesn't fall under the definition.one could make the argument that by smuggling drugs they are facilitating acts of criminal violence. while those acts of criminal violence might happen on land the act of smuggling is on the high seas and thus can constitute an act as defined by cI'd not give it a great chance of convincing a judge. but I've seen worse arguments get trough a primary judge and even appeal courts
>>64379165Anon you may live in a lawless third world shithole but historical precedence is in fact what laws are based on, and this is something which quite literally has precedence from as far back as recorded history has had laws.And speaking of logical fallacies, the US Navy declaring they will sink any Narco vessels attempting this shit then sinking narco vessels attempting said shit has quite literally nothing to do with your utterly inane attempt to argue that literally thousands of years of historical precedent should be discarded just because your poor widdle feelings are hurt by poison smuggling scum getting exactly what they knew was going to happen as easily as the pathetic "feelings of the Chinese people" are hurt by things like facts.
>>64379203>but historical precedence is in fact what laws are based onhistorical precedence is much more complex in a legal complex than "we did it this way thousands of years ago, therefore we should do it now", otherwise you could ban singing and dancing in public because that also has legal precedenceand none of that is really relevant to the ultimate point being argued, which is that "we did this thing in the past" logically follows with "we should do this today">just because your poor widdle feelings are hurt by poison smuggling scum getting exactly this is another conclusion that doesnt follow the premise
>>64378274Reduce the number of refugees and migrants?
>>64379239not our problem eurocuck
>>64379248Lmao, literally your problem. You guys even tried to build a wall to stop it.
>>64379248>turn the middle east into a shit fest for 20 years creating dozens of millions of refugees>you deal with it it's not our problem
>>64379289wtf why did they bandage their right ear?
>>64379316https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality
>>64379239>subsidize an inherently unsustainable population growth = reducing migration retarded fuckwit
>>64378497you are an actual fucking retard if you think that the cartels will trade fire with this fucking thing. that value proposition doesn't line up. smugglers often have a pistol at most, because they're out there just to run the cargo and then leave. getting in a firefight is just suicide aboard their boats, they know it, the cartels know it, so they just write off whoever gets caught as the cost of doing business.
>>64377542>>64377542
>>64378979These boats aren't armored. Better off using HE-frag.
>>64377473The military does not care about wasting money. They could have sunk the fishing boat other ways. They obviously want that video for propaganda purposes.
ask MAM-L from Turkey, already proven against fast navy boats. Probably 1/10 of the price of hellfire missile
>>64377876https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R2HeE9xonI
>>64377473Meh. Depends how you view it. If we start using Cartels as a real-world training ground it could be cost effective. We do training anyway, if we do training on real-life targets it both allows training and eliminates cartel equipment and personnel. We should have missiles designed for small boards though. Modern warfare has shown smaller countries love to make speedboat swarm bombs and we should have an answer to that.
>>64378580You're a fucking know-nothing idiot.>The military is required under Section 107 to comply with the EPA standards to control and dispose of military munitions such as Confined gases; Liquid and solid propellants; explosives; pyrotechnics; chemical and riot-control agents; smokes and incendiaries, including bulk explosives and chemical-warfare agents; chemical munitions; rockets; guided and ballistic missiles; Bombs and warheads; mortar rounds; artillery ammunition; small-arms ammunition; grenades; mines; Torpedoes and depth charges; cluster munitions and dispensers; demolition charges; and devices and components thereof.https://uxoinfo.com/uxoinfo/policy2.cfmAlso, look up what an environmental impact study is... You should, promptly, dispose of that useless lump of hazardous waste between your ears.
>>64380198A Cessna with LMGs is just fine, they can even take off from the Marine Assault Ships.
>>64380281That sounds stupid but if you offered the ability pay for cost probably thousands of people would line up to machine gun narco boats.
>>64380299You just know /k/ would sign up for multiple squadrons...
>>64377473If that's the sort of target you're going to be using it against why bother with a newly developed missile OP?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGbR-SCmgK4
>>64380214Turkroaches are just as bad as chinks with stealing and copying Western tech.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyros_(bomb)
>>64377491This is also why trump launched 50 tomahawks at an evacuated airbase his first term
>>64380032She cute
>>64377473>why don't they spend 10,000,000$ on R&D so they can save 50,000$ five times a yearretard
>>64377969Really? I could have sworn it was SARH.
>>64377843SALH not SARH
>>64377473It would cost more to develop and field a "cheap" alternative than just using what we have in stock.
>>64377473use it or lose ituntil the day when retarded faggot asshole retards quit boating thier bullshit drugula fucking garbage through my EEZ I will GLADLY, GLADLY taxpay for another hellfireSINK EM AGAIN JOHNNY
>>64381828Yes, it's laser-homing, not radar-homing.
>>64380267>small-arms ammunitionMILSURP FTW.I'll help you dispose of that. Down at the local range.
>>64377473War is an extension of politics, and the politics of blowing up a speedboat with a missile is so the politician who ordered the strike can use the footage to appear strong to his domestic supporters. If blowing up a couple speedboats was all it took to solve the US "War on Drugs" Ronald Reagan would have done it in the 1980s
>>64378892 >I was told the US was blowing up ratty little fishing boatsFish and Game: Your loicense appears to be expired.
>>64377547The navy would be sending them out on some trip around the Indian Ocean to pick up some new STDs. I think sitting out in the Caribbean sea with no port stops might be the best option.
>>64382213Do people like yourself not realize the Navy has been doing interdiction missions forever down there? It was one of the few things the LCS was actually good at because the space allocated for mission modules that didn't work out was perfect for having a couple of RHIBs ready to go. The only problem was that the Navy doesn't have the legal authority to arrest people, so they had to either have a Coastie on board who'd do so or they had to only detain people until a cutter could come by.
>>64377473You mean like Hydra? Like, a guided Hydra? You mean like APKWS? You mean like already exists?The mods enforcing existing global rules would eliminate concern trolling shill threads like this overnight.
>>64382257Actually, can you mount a Hydra pod on a Seahawk?
>>64377876>fundamentally a short ranged weapon system that can only really be employed against targets that are incapable of fighting back in any appreciable mannerWhich is why it can be made cheaply and is perfectly appropriate for what OP asks.There is a fundamental tension between capability that exceed anything anyone else can produce for peer warfare, and cheap enough to use on dinghis without concern trolling shills like OP making threads like this.
>>64382268Yes, definitely at least Romeo is fully compatible and certified with APKWS.
>>64382257>>64382268APKWS is portable to the point that it is on the verge of becoming a replacement for low level MANPADs and light ATGM munitions. A few 2.75 inch rockets are easy to carry on a frame backpack, a scrawny woman, old person or child could carry a few or them to the front.****Not that i would advocate doing so, i don't advocate using kids or as ammo transports but old people are ok as long as they volunteer..******12-14 Yos as a crew swerved AA weapon operators are ok as long as they serve locally.
>>64377473>Using Hellfires is a waste of money.Yes, Anon. That's the point entirely.
>>64382590Words like 'money' and 'GDP' and 'PPP' as masks for the fact that the USA and it's allies have almost total global military and economic dominance. Besides the PRC and niche powers like the DPRK everyone else on the planet is irrelevant.
>>64378925the US isn't equivalent to Carthage
>>64380198Whatever it's made of boats don't like it when you punch holes right though them which then let the sea in.
>>64378415Russian SINKEX, it was a pair of P270 Moskits.
>>64383123>>64378415Don't forget to mention that the target was a decommissioned US Fleet Carrier that was sold to Russia for it's value in scrap metal by Trump to pay off the USA's Lend Lease debt..
>>64377596How do I vote this into reality?
>>64377496the missiles body is sealed with rubber gaskets. the rubber will decompose and become brittle in those 10 yearsrefurbishment is always an option with this tho
>>64377473DoD acquisitions is a sloe and inefficient process that would take longer and cost more than just using preexisting solutions which already work fine. Btw you must be 18+ to post here.
