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Previous >>64290531

I watched a video on 5.45 and now I'm pretty curious about it. Some domestic brands already produce 7.62x39 as well as a bunch of foreign brands that could import (S&B, Prvi Partizan). Why can't we get anymore cheap 5.45? In the first place, why wasn't 5.45 more popular than 7.62 that companies decided to make it domestically? I've heard that PSA will be making, or is at least considering making it, which is unfortunate because their ammo is shitty. Also their AKs suck.
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>>64378154
>Why can't we get anymore cheap 5.45?
russia's chimp out
>why wasn't 5.45 more popular than 7.62
ressia was the biggest user, most combloc countries stayed with 7.62
AK74s only got popular here relatively recently and now that the ammo is drying up they are fading into obscurity. most ammo manufacturers don't see that much profit in making 5.45.
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>>64378154
>feet and pantyhose
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>>64378202 (me)
tldr
>no cheap ammo = people no want
>people no want = no make ammo
>no make ammo = no cheap ammo
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>>64378154
Because only one loading (7n6) that was specific to the russian military and thus tied to russian factories was actually better than 5.56, you'd have to make tooling for it and there are no decent guns being made/imported for 545 (wbp sucks, reilly is psa tier) so it will always be less popular than 7.62x39, even ignoring the fact that you have 30+ years of 7.62 rifles being in the usa en mass
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>>64378206
Where is the problem?
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>>64378351
don't make me crank it again

Anyway, would fishing weights be viable in guns?
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>>64378371
You have to go back to your containment thread?
>Anyway, would fishing weights be viable in guns?
WDHMBT?
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>>64378391
>WDHMBT?
Got curious because I was in a fishing store and they had a giant lead ball labeled
>cannonball sinker
which looked like it could've been used in a canon, so I'm wondering for smaller sized balls in firearms
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>>64378463
I'm sure in something like a musket it would be a great projectile
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>>64378154
Arken optics are fucking shit right?

Kinda want to build a boomer rifle reming 700 in a chassis and an arken scope
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What's the best way to sell ammo, Gunbroker?
Just getting rid of old factory ammo. I'm not trying to sell any bubba handloads.
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I’ve never shot a gun before.
What’s a good hunting rifle and what’s a good self defense weapon?
I’ll be taking classes eventually but I’d love some direction.
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>>64378743
AWWW CUDE SNAKE :DDD

I'm not one to talk since I'm practically a nogunz, but a good hunting rifle would generally depend on what you plan on hunting, and a good self defense gun would depend on what you intend to defend yourself from.

To give you an answer: Random .308 bolt rifle and a 1911 or something
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>>64378762
>practically a nogunz
Post guns
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>>64378154
S&B makes 5.45 but I'm not super confident in it since their 7.62x39 also sucks
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>>64378206
like chocolate and peanut butter
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This while board has gotten so much worse, it really genuinely from the bottom of my heart makes me sad.
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>>64378743
>What’s a good hunting rifle
What will you be hunting, and where? .308 is a good general-purpose recommendation but a lot of places ban bottleneck cartridges these days. It's also serious overkill if you are mainly hunting small game.

>self defense
Home or carry?
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I have 3 questions as a noobfag

>whats a good starter tac vest/plate carrier

And

>has anyone made a remake of the tec 9 and about how much should one reasonably pay for one?

I always wanted a tec 9, i know they're shit but I just want a cool range toy and i love 80s-90s era firearms.
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I was walking through my grandparents' warehouse when I found this random ammunition on the floor.
>picrel with a coin for size reference
Can anyone tell me (or guess) what this is? or what weapon could use it?
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>>64378154
>Why can't we get anymore cheap 5.45?
In 2014, the ATF reclassified surplus 7N6 5.45mm as armor piercing pistol ammo, and thus it was banned from import. Before that, 7N6 was $0.15/rd. Commercial companies still make it, but not on the scale to make it cheap.
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>>64379749
Starter cheapo loadbearing vest/rig, the FLC or TAP still hold up. You can buy FLC bundles with pouches on eBay. Plate carriers can be Mayflower, Beez, or LBT off the top of my head. I wouldn't get a plate carrier until you are actually getting plates.
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>>64379749
Beretta PMX
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>>64379787
It's definitely some kind of small shotgun shell, probably 9mm Flobert since those were the most common and the size looks about right.
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>>64379749
Crye JPC 2.0
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>>64379787
As the other anon said, some small bore shotgun shell
does it have any markings on its base? the brass end
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>>64379787
Looks like a .410.
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>>64380096
Ah, interesting. I don't recall anyone close that could have a shotgun or even a carabine.
Also, no markings on the brass part.
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>>64380155
that has a centerfire primer so it's not 9mm flobert. It's probably 9mm centerfire then, like picrel. It could be some similar size though, they made those tiny shotshells in all sorts of different sizes. 7mm, 8mm, 9mm, etc.
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>>64378154
7.62x39mm got traction in the US market because a bunch of AKs and surplus SKS rifles got dumped here dirt cheap from the 1980s to about the mid 2010s, along with a sea of even cheaper surplus ammunition.
5.45 came along later and there was a wave of AK-74 parts kits/magazines/surplus ammunition but it wasn't present in the volume and timeframe that 7.62x39mm was. The Obama administration kneecapped parts kits and re-catagorized all of the surplus ammunition as "armor piercing handgun ammunition" because it is steel cored and ONE opportunistic FFL 07 made a single AK-74 pistol just so he could scalp some spam cans for a quick profit. Same later happened with 7.62x54mmR and a PSL pistol.

Anyway, whereas 7.62x39mm has unique shooting characteristics that make it a good bush rifle caliber, 5.45mm doesn't really bring anything to the table that 5.56mm can't already do. Because 5.56/223 is already so well established on the US domestic market, there isn't really much demand for 5.45mm guns unless somebody just really wants an AK-74. Most people are happy enough with a WASR in 7.62x39mm instead.
>>64378463
It is possible to smelt fishing weights into cast lead bullets, yes.
BP shooters and CASS hand loaders do stuff like that all the time.
>>64378743
>Hunting rifle.
Depends on what you plan to hunt which will determine the optimal caliber. Personally I recommend Howa 1500s.
>Self defense.
Pistol will probably be most valuable because it can double for HD and carry, but it depends a lot on preference. Glock 19 or 43X is a good place to start looking.
>>64379787
Given that a 5€ cent is .836" wide and that shell is about half diameter I am confident it's for a .410 bore. Those used to be very common utility/farm guns. Basically the .22lr of shotguns, although ammunition for them is far more expensive nowadays.
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>>64378154
What vehicle were designated to tow US 60mm, 81mm and 106mm mortars before 1960s when they were put on dedicated mortar carriers based of M113 & M59 APCs?

60s were light enough to be manhandled but when there was possibility, I assume they were thrown into the back of any jeep or truck, correct?
80s were transported on M2/M3 halftracks during the war, but there's still vehicle shaped gap before and after the war.
106s are mystery, I couldn't find any info on their towing/transports.
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>>64381121
Officially, 2.5 ton trucks.
Reality, jeeps

https://web.archive.org/web/20110808101858/http://www.100thww2.org/support/cm/cmmortplt.html
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>>64381152
The usual suspects, should have thought so.
Thanks for confirmation anon.
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Gun shop offered $800 for a gun i want around $1500ish for but I can't find any private buyers. Should I just say fuck it?
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>>64381121
Jeeps mostly, but questions like this are best initially triaged by learning to find and read Tables of Organisation and Equipment (US name).
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>>64381642
what gun?
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>>64378154
>Why can't we get anymore cheap 5.45?
The primary user is engaged in an existential war and is also banned from importation in the US. Eastern Europe still has lots of surp 5.45 you just don't have access to it as an american since it's steel core which was banned under the obama administration in 2014.
>In the first place, why wasn't 5.45 more popular than 7.62 that companies decided to make it domestically?
China and Ruger. China brought in literal millions of SKS surplus rifles and billions of rounds of 7.62x39 from the 80s to the 90s. People started hunting with them as it's an effective deer round. Ruger capitalized on this and introduced the Mini-30 which was one of the first guns to push the cartridge for hunters.

5.45 came much later, the guns were super expensive or needed gunsmiths to make them viable. It's main appeal was it was a cheaper 5.56 for guys that didn't really care since it wasn't an AR-15 (I know) the guns made the entry point untenable for poorfags. Now we've reversed it where the AKs aren't that expensive compared to Gucci ARs or x39 imports but the ammo is essentially 308 priced.
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>>64381779
Saiga AK. I know theyre shafting me because of shit like "oh what people really want is the original furniture" (mine came with tapco shit since it was unconverted) but they'll end up selling it at like 2k anyways because "super duper rare banned from import Russian AK!"
But i am desperate to get rid of this thing.
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>>64382036
Unless you got some bills that need to be paid RIGHT NOW then I would hold dude, they are fucking you bad, you can squeeze atleast $1200 out of a Saiga 12.
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>>64382036
try to negotiate I higher price, you probably won't get $1,500 but you should get at least more that a grand for it.
if that fails and you really just want it gone, take the money.
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>>64378154
Should I get a bolt action rifle in 308? Is 6.5 creedmoor a better choice? Is there any other caliber to consider a bolt action rifle in?
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>>64380280
>ONE opportunistic FFL 07 made a single AK-74 pistol just so he could scalp some spam cans for a quick profit. Same later happened with 7.62x54mmR and a PSL pistol.
Holy fuddlore. That faggot deserves all the derision thrown his way because he's a shitbag, but the BATFE used the Polish Onyks as their basis for the 7n6 ban.
There were several that were brought in and put through the BATFEs wringer in order to import them.
That never happened as Radom/whoever was to import them (rumor was IO) decided not to, but that's the "commercially available" gun used as the basis for said ban.
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>>64382116
.270 Winchester

but seriously, what are you planning on doing with it?
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>>64380280
>>64382125
Also steelcore 7.62x54r isn't banned from import. It is however almost strictly Russian whose ammo is currently sanctioned from import.
But it isn't banned.
>Yet
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>>64382116
>Tony Hawk Pro Skater: Urban Warfare
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>>64378154
am I just retarded or are people way too concerned with overpenetration in a home defense scenario? it's one thing if you live in an apartment or maybe some sort of condo or connected house, but if you live in your own house with space between you and your neighbors, wouldn't it be extremely unlikely for a bullet to pass all the way through your house and then actually hit someone outside? I guess it could also be a problem if you live with multiple other people, but what if you just live by yourself or with 1 other person that sleeps in the same room as you?
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>>64382116
>target shooting of any kind
6.5cm
>hunting
.308, probably. But 6.5cm will still do fine. .308's only real advantage these days is energy within, say, 600m-800m or so
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>>64382116
308 for ammo cost and mid range energy/penetration. 6.5 CM for long range accuracy.

Hunters have mixed opinions on 6.5CM as a caliber, joking that it is 6.5mm "Bleedmoor" but any caliber can be effective if you don't suck at shot placement and 6.5mm actually carries energy at long range a little better than 308 does. Certainly it is better than 223, 6.5 Grendel or 243 Win all of which can be perfectly effective depending on what you are shooting at.
>Some fudds honestly think you need 300WM for whitetail at 200yd.
>>64382130
270 is genuinely a really underrated cartridge just because it has been around a long time. For some reason used 270s have absolutely dick for resale value. Nobody wants them. I worked at an LGS and we had a few we practically had to give away just to clear shelf space, but the people that actually went hunting with them got great results. That caliber can take anything in North America.
>>64382196
Most houses are built of drywall with thin studs made of young wood that is not very dense at all. A rifle caliber like 308 for instance can easily get all the way out of a house, across the street, through an exterior wall and still carry enough energy to kill.

A scenario like that is unlikely, but even if it doesn't leave you with criminal liability (which is going to depend on the state) it can easily leave you with a lawsuit. You are responsible for every shot you fire. It makes sense to try and limit how far a stray bullet will go, especially if the performance isn't necessary. For instance 223/5.56mm can break up much faster than 308, but will still wreck shit at HD ranges so it doesn't make sense to use 308 for HD if 223 is an option.

Plus some people do live in a house with other people. You can't always be 100% sure they will be safely behind you if you need to shoot. Using ammunition that is designed to fragment helps reduce the odds of hurting someone you don't intend to hurt.
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>>64382366
>the people that actually went hunting with them got great results
I know. I am one of them.
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>>64382366
In the context of drywall and a suburb, 223 is pretty much equally as much of an overpenetration liability as 308. In both instances the answer is that you need to use frangible or semifrangible rounds, which are available in both calibers.
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>>64382397
https://youtu.be/rTrv7CxR3Ak?si=KP4M5M6yNXGtaSYV&t=54
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Do arrows usually go all the way through deer?
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Does anyone have the photo of the Japanese girl who shot the hostage target and only the Hostage target?
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>>64381642
>>64382036
Keep Sega
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Fellow poorfags, how much do you spend on ammo each month? Im trying to also save up for body armor and a plate carrier, plus a better optic+light for my rifle but im honestly pretty low on ammo
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>>64382196
>or are people way too concerned with overpenetration in a home defense scenario?
Correct. People seem very worried about it, yet if you ask them to name a single incidence of it happening they are clueless. They might start frantically googling for examples to justify the worry found in their defective heads.

>wouldn't it be extremely unlikely for a bullet to pass all the way through your house and then actually hit someone outside?
Yes. That's why you never hear about it on the news. And the crazy thing is that people will tell you fuddlore like:
>you can't use an AR, that will overpen, use a handgun instead
...while IRL the lightweight, fast-moving AR bullet is a much *lower* overpen risk than a 9mm hollowpoint out of a handgun.

Much like people panicking about "lead poisoning", while there are underlying concerns you should be aware of, the hype is mostly an emotional reaction to facts the person doesn't truly understand. I'm not telling you to pray-and-spray with M2 AP if you're located next to a children's burn hospital, but yeah these things are overblown a lot of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSP0uZ61QDo
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DOES ANYONE HAVE THE PHOTO WHO SHOT THE HOSTAGE TARGET INSTEAD OF THE BAD GUY TARGET?
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Nogunz neverserved here; I've occasionally seen some people say the APC is an obsolete idea or other such things. What exactly is the logic behind saying something like that? Wouldn't it always be good to have a relatively cheap, speedy way to get people from A to B with a little armor between them and the rest of the world? I have never seen anything like that said for the idea of the IFV I think.
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>>64384628
The reality of a warzone is that a vehicle can't always just unload passengers and then speed away from danger. It is also unrealistic to picture some queue of soldiers waiting in a safe area for APCs to return and give them rides in waves.
The reality was that APCs were already being used as support for infantry that stayed in the fight. Especially with examples of the M113 in Vietnam.
Switching to IFVs was doctrine catching up to reality.
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>>64384689
Aah, I see. Because I have never served, I unconsciously imagined APCs as frequently hanging around with infantry anyway, just as you describe. Ultimately, IFVs make more sense to make because it is simply better to support the infantry than to have something light going back and forth, and even the back and forth is only in theory. On that note, is the APC truly obsolete as an idea? I still think it's nice just to have a cheap, robust armored box with a gun on it.
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>>64384770
Well, every military disagrees, so.
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>>64384784
Fair enough. Thanks anon.
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>>64383517
I think overpen is a just-in-case thing where you're worried about other people in the house, or maybe you don't want to pay for both carpet replacement AND fixing up the walls.
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Is Black Hills really worth it, or are they just riding the fame from Mk262
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Howdy, /k/

I have a new in box Savage 110 Tactical, black Accustock, 20" barrel, chambered in 6.6 Creedmoor. I bought it in 2019. I've never fired it, never mounted a scope on it.

I also have a new in box Vortex Diamondback 6-24×50 scope. Never mounted it on anything.

I'm considering selling them. What sort of prices should I ask for/expect if I sell them?
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>>64386539
>6.6 Creedmoor
goddammit...I obviously meant to type 6.5 CM
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>>64386020
No factory ammo is worth it
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>>64386541
Damn, value just plummeted then, thats a rare wildcat
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This one?
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>>64386539
You should unironically keep and use the savage as an excellent deer rifle



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