I don't understand US military branches. Take the 149th Fighter Squadron. It operates the F-22, the world's most expensive fighter aircraft. But they are not not part of the air force, nor of the army or navy. Instead, they are part of the National Guard of the State of Virginia. What advantage does this have? Does this mean the Department of the Air Force cannot access these planes directly?
ANG become part of the Air Force when given a federal order from the White House
A lot of US organization is in name only. For example, The USAF and USN operate 5 Navy expeditionary Growler squadrons (VAQ-131, VAQ-132, VAQ-134, VAQ&135, VAQ-138) to support USAF activities, which are pretty much Air Force assets because the basing and groundcrews for them are all Air Force.
>>64379191i choose to not understand these things.i prefer to believe that the governor of Missouri has a fleet of B2s at his disposal
>>64379377Yeah technically he does. ANG aircraft are subsidized by the active duty Air Force and given to Air National Guard units on the condition that the guard squadrons maintain them and train on them to certain standards. The personnel are all under the command of the governor so technically he could order the pilots to do some goofball shit, but that runs the risk of the active duty AF repo'ing their aircraft back.During the Little Rock crisis the Army actually did that. Most of the Arkansas National Guard troops blockading the school were from the ANG, so when Eisenhower federalized everyone and the 101st air assaulted into the city the first thing they did was to confiscate all the ANG aircraft at Little Rock AFB as a precaution.
>>64379191Especially for the Raptor, several squadrons are ANG because they are stationed at critical areas and will never move that squadron or wing away, like the 199th in Pearl Harbor. Administration costs for a guard squadron are also lower.
>>64379191F22 isn't a Navy plane and those faggots in DC funded it because theu want their asses covered by the best if SHTF.
>>64379191ANG units train with active USAF units and deploy along side them.As for the specific F-22 ANG unit of Virginia. The governor of Virginia has no authority to order them into combat, or really flying of any kind. He can't order them to do training, he can't order them to do even a stadium fly over without federal approval since the jets are a federally owned asset, not owned by the state of Virginia. About the only time the governor COULD order something would be during a natural disaster, but F-22s have zero value during such a situation as they're combat aircraft with no real humanitarian/disaster relief functions.I guess he could order them to speak/participate in public relations activities (speaking at a school or participating in a parade), being part of an (a non-aerial) honor guard/color guard or similar events within the state.Tldr: any actual use of the aircraft would require federal approval first and they would just be entirely federalized in the event they get combat orders.
>>64379531>The personnel are all under the command of the governor so technically he could order the pilots to do some goofball shitSee >>64379578The unit is well aware the governor has zero authority to order their aircraft into the air under almost any circumstance due to those airframes not being property of his state and almost any order he could give in relation to flying those aircraft would be an illegal order, and all of the people serving in that unit know that.
>>64379191The important thing to remember is that, first and foremost, the US military is a money making enterprise for the people who own the US government.
>>64379628Why didn't the government invest in apple, Nvidia, or bitcoin?Are they dumb? Much bigger return in the last 30 years than the military industrial complex.
>>64379628>people who own the US government.And where is this people when Trump ruin the US reputation to the ground?
>>64379191ah, these must be the guys who flew those two F22s that were intercepted near the chinese coast the other dayKudos to them for finding a way across the pacific and back in a single flight
>>64379682Anon, that happened in 2024, it was brought up in the news recently because Chinese state media released a TV documentary segment about the incident. They also pretty obviously lied about a ton of details too to make the pilots look like heros to the Chinese public.
>>64379636The people who own the government invested in those things. Vanguard, Blackrock, etc.>>64379671Remember all the hostile takeovers and slash-and-burn strategies of the 80s? They're doing that with the whole country. Zion Don is in the club, and he's playing his role perfectly.
>>64379578Yup, state governors have very little they can actually use their ANG units for.
>>64379578>The governor of Virginia has no authority to order themIn this case, them belonging to the National Guard makes even less sense. Why does the state of virginia fund an air squad if it cannot even give orders to it? Just hand it over to the air force!
>>64379883Because every aspect of our society was designed to give us the illusion of democracy and decentralization while actually living under the most plutocratic and centralized system ever devised.
Virginia ANG is the equivalent of the Household Cavalry in England. Both are fully armed and outside of the regular military order of battle. They are for regime protection against internal military revolt.
>>64379883National guard units are 90-97% funded by the federal government, not the state.The state basically ONLY pays them when they activate the unit for service within the state of Virginia, called State Active Duty (SAD) The state may also pay for facilities maintenance and other minor things, but it's less than 10% of what the actual guard unit costs to maintain.
>>64379890So you're saying a good, well planned military coup would target the Virginia ANG first?
>>64379887You know you can research this shit instead of doomposting about shit you obviously have no understanding of how things ACTUALLY operate.A random anon thinking the state pays for the unit in no way makes that reality. And replying as if it WAS reality just makes you look retarded.
>>64379899>doompostingBut I'm incredibly optimistic about the future. Every single person who understands the nature of the people who own our economy and government means we're another step closer to victory. Look at how desperate they are; they are losing, and regular people are winning. In fact, we've already won.
>>64379905>sure, everything I just posted about is demonstrably untrue, but i'm still right.lollmao even
>>64379909>Because every aspect of our society was designed to give us the illusion of democracy and decentralization while actually living under the most plutocratic and centralized system ever devised.Which part of that is untrue?
>>64379191>Instead, they are part of the National Guard of the State of Virginia. What advantage does this have?The Pentagon lawyers figured out that this was the best way to trick the ghosts of Lee and other Confederate generals into blessing the DoD.
>>64379898They'd either be the first target or the ones doing the coup.
>>64379929Very interesting. I love learning new things!
>>64379920The entire premise of your argument hinged on the state of viringia funding the ANG unit, which isn't true. > Why does the state of virginia fund an air squad if it cannot even give orders to itThis is simply untrue and you reply as if it's a fact.
>>64379942>The entire premise of your argument hinged on the state of viringia funding the ANG unitNo, I would say the entire premise of my argument hinges on the fact that the Federalists carried out a counter-revolution when they drafted the US Constitution to enshrine the rights of moneylenders and landowners instead of the rights of regular people, and then used the Supreme Court under John Marshall to cement the victory of their counter-revolution. Read a book, kiddo.
>>64379929Langley AFB is right across the harbor from Norfolk so the coup would have to go through just about one half of the Navy to get to them first.the DC ANG has a fighter squadron right down the road from the capitol at Andrews. I would think that would be an easier goal if the objective was to get air superiority over DC in a hurry
>>64379974>DC ANG>F-16CsYucky
>>64379974How would a US military coup play out in 2025?
>>64379988It would have to be mostly violence free. Over in less than an hour as well. It's more likely for a coup to be effected by the Secret Service and the DC Metro Police than the DoD.
>>64380021And then what happens? Who takes control? Do we call a new Constitutional Convention or what?
>>64380039>And then what happens?Impossible to know without a detailed hypothetical. If you have a majority of Congress who supports the coup, you probably just invoke the 25th and install the Speaker as the new President.
>>64379191>USAF & USN can't retain pilots as the civilian sector pays so much better>ANG allows former USAF & USN pilots to work in the civilian sector while still being kept current on military airframes>ANG can be called up bringing back pilots that would have otherwise been retiredIt's basically a way to retain some control over pilots you spent a fortune training and for those pilots to still have fun in fast jets without putting up with all the bullshit of being full time.
>>64379578California ANG has used Reapers and F-15s, under order of the governor, for firewatch duty. They have a /lot/ more leeway than you seem to think they do. Yes, the governor can only order them to engage in combat if the state is actually attacked, but the chain of command does properly go through him.
>>64379883no because you misunderstand what that means. the governor of Virginia can order the air national guard personnel, BUT, the planes are USAF assets. really the reason you have a setup like this is that you can have weekend warriors maintain the planes while your pilots do only a couple training flights a week or month. meanwhile your normal 9-5 mechanics work on the more long-term repairs and such while the ANG runs a skeleton crew for 90% of the time.
>>64380078I literally said they can be activated for natural disasters, I was saying SPECIFICALLY that the F-22 has zero value in that situation.Obviously, if your state ANG unit has surveillance or transport aircraft those ARE useful in those situations and can/should be activated by the state.Nothing in my post goes against what you're saying here.
>>64380078Even if the state were attacked, they'd be federalized under title 10, there would be no reason to go through the governor.
>>64380143Yeah I misunderstood, Virginia ANG is a specific case because they don't own their planes. I wasn't aware of that.
>>64380152In all realistic scenarios yes. But hypothetically if, say, California was attacked and the Federal government refused to become involved, Newsom could order MG Butow to have the guard defend the state on their lonesome.
>>64379921>trick the ghosts of Lee and other Confederate generals into blessing the DoD.I think you're onto something here. Might even be the same esoteric reason the army does the whole Indian Tribes naming convention and the many medicine men/shame private contractors they have on retainer at any given time.>I need ten HEYA HOYAs for states rights! GO!
>>64380178People forget that this country was founded by esoteric fags involved in gay ass mystery schools.
>>64380184The US was founded by a bunch of horny sex pests. The only way the revolution even got funded was because Ben Franklin went to France and ate so much wealthy old grandma pussy that his jaw locked up. But he happily did it anyways, because he believed in the cause.
>>64380263>horny sex pestsaka pedophilic freemasons aka esoteric fags involved in gay ass mystery schools
>>64380184>People forget that this country was founded by esoteric fagsThis is true for many, many nations. American esotericfags just had a weird fascination with Egypt and that style stood out. Also all the eyes everywhere.
THEY SEE ME ROLLINTHEY HATIN
>>64380154No state owns their ANG planes.It's not specific to Virginia; it's just that Virginia has F-22s, which are wholly a combat aircraft with no real other purpose. If Virginia had an ANG unit of transport aircraft or reconnaissance aircraft they could similarly be activated for use during a natural disaster should they prove needed. An F-22 is simply never needed.
>>64379957The "counter-revolution" that every state acquiesced to over a period of months.... right.
>>64381297Yes, correct.
>>64379191You can tell this is a thread full of people living in shitty countries from the people asking about coup in the states like it's a serious concern.
>>64381454I was the one asking about that, and I was born and raised in Peoria, Illinois.
>>64380735What's the non combat purpose of an F-15?
>>64381523I'm pretty sure they don't use them and that anon is just confused.> While the California Air National Guard (ANG) routinely uses aircraft like C-130s (equipped with MAFFS for dropping fire retardant) and MQ-9 Reapers (for fire mapping and intelligence gathering) for wildfire response, there is no public record or information that confirms the use of F-15s for tracking or monitoring wildfires.Feel free to find a source proving me wrong.
>>64379191"Virginia" and "Maryland" are code for D.C.
1/2>>64381454It's not coup risk that makes the NG exist still, but it is closely related and if you trace it all the way back it is one of the reasons for the reasons that the NG exists. The long and the short of it:1. Founding fathers and constitutional framers don't want a large standing military (for three main reasons, all directly related to freedom: Cost impinges on citizen's freedom from undue tax, tyranny risk because it can be used by the federal government to enforce unjust rule on the states and citizens, tyranny risk because is a coup risk in and of itself).2. Founding fathers instead design a system based around state militias, where there would be a tiny federal standing army that, if needed, could have personnel voluntarily released to it by state militias, and state militias who couldn't deploy outside their state. Intention is that Federal government is outpowered by states, doesn't have to pay for a standing army, and and can't be couped by the army.3. Fast forwards to the Civil War, Union and Confederates both shit on this concept and mass mobilise what are effectively giant and centrally controlled armies. Union wins and the standing army remains largely in place semi-permanently because of occupation duties and to prevent future secession.4. Fast forwards to 1903, the new Militia Act extinguishes a meaningful concept of militias in America by turning all organized state militias into the NG and leaving the states only with everything that wasn't actual militia controllable or controlled by the state and calling it an "unorganized militia". The Supreme Court views this as unconstitutional (because it is) and the compromise is to make the NG sort of under state control so that it's sort of constitutional enough to not be instantly struck down. The result is that nearly all base funding for NG is federal, and but states have pay while activated.Next post is the most important bit.
2/2>>64382743>>643814545. Directly and closely related to 4. but most importantly for this conversation, the NG, and in this case ANG, being notionally under state control and similarly equipped to the standing federal military is essential for the definition of "unorganized militia" to not create an immediate and absolute right for any able bodied male to own any weapon at all that they want, up to and including warships and aircraft, since the constitutional support for state militias having, at the least, the same capabilities as any federal army is overwhelming. If states do not have an organized militia which they can control, even notionall, ie the NG and ANG, then it's carte blanche for recreational mcnukes.6. Now, all of this is a constitutional figleaf, because the entire "dual control" this has always been pure horseshit and in practice the NG is just a second federal reserve army. This has become completely true in practice because the vertical fiscal imbalance that the federal government created with the states post New Deal and WW2 using eternally extended emergency powers means that the states no longer have the financial ability to use or maintain their NGs at all. This is true across the board for most policy areas, but in the case of the Army, NG, militias and 2A, it's extremely storied and well documented, and almost certainly turbo unconstitutional in a bunch of ways and with a bunch of >implications, but since the frog was boiled slowly and nothing ever forced it to be urgently, directly and authoritatively looked at by SCOTUS, it skates.Current events may motivate both sides of politics to lean into reform in the area one way or another.
