Can firearms serve as a good non-lethal deterrent when used in the correct manner?
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>>64379842Why not? It seems like it's entirely possible to use firearms to non-lethally deter attackers.
>>64379852Okay, but can firearms serve as a good non-lethal deterrent?
>>64379836>thing that did not happen #54357864
>>64379875So you're of the opinion that firearms cannot serve as a good non-lethal deterrent, to the point that you do not believe any story in which that happens?
>>64379877>facebook slop
>>64379877No, but you are awful jumpyI was merely implying that the story in op pic did not happen
>>64379884>>64379888I shall direct you to the original post>Can firearms serve as a good non-lethal deterrent when used in the correct manner?
>>64379892You already know the answer and only posted that question to give your retarded /pol/ bait thread the facade of being ontopic
>>64379902Obviously I don't know the answer, and there isn't even a consensus in this thread. Personally, I think that firearms can be effectively and regularly utilized in a non-lethal manner, but obviously others disagree.
>Retards using 1950s race relations in the deep south to justify shooting milquetoast conservativesMartial law can't come soon enough
>>64379913ok
>>64379918Are you talking about Charlie Kirk? I'm pretty sure Israel killed him.
>>64379926Convenient excuse to distract from violent leftists advocating for more killings, many of them Jewish. You fell for it.
>>64379934>capitalizing "jewish"kek, every time
>>64379939What kind of illiterate brown are you?
>>64379836So despite having the advantage as defenders, they were incapable of hitting any of the attackers, and then lied about not trying to hit them.
>>64379955So you're saying it's only possible to use firearms non-lethally if you're doing it accidentally?
>>64379836Absolutely.The right to self defense is a basic human right extended to all people and creeds; regardless of race, social class, sexual orientation, or any other dividing factor (except for Feds and perfidious Mormons).And anyone who says anything different is probably a gun grabbing Dem.
>>64380016What's so special about November 7th?
>>64379836World War 2 was a turning point for many people in America. Hardship brings discipline and collectivist attitudes. Those don't just leave when the war ends. To answer your question: Yes, but organizing a body of people to use them in the "correct manner" oftentimes brings the incident beyond the realm of applicable justice. It becomes tribal and political just as soon as people begin to see themselves in the participants. Soon enough, "correctness" becomes a mere courtesy.This nonlethal approach was good for managing temperaments and preventing further victimization of innocents, but it's an approach suited to the times, souls, and tools of their day. Who knows how it'd work out elsewhere.
>>64379951Y'all niggas dry snitch on yourselves so fucking easily.
>>64379852I am a non white cis het crossdresser and I own 8 guns and im not american
>>64380043You're self reporting hard and projecting, you just keep outing yourself as not European or American.
>>64380047Average Czech man.
>>64380043yeah, they're absolutely clueless about how obvious they are lol>>64380053see pic related
Yeah I'm not replying to poopskins who think everyone who uses proper English is a Jew.
>>64379926>I'm pretty sure Israel killed him.Israel had objectively nothing to gain from killing him in a public assassination. If Kirk had died in a break-in during the middle of the night or from a hit-and-run with the driver never identified, you might be on to something, but shooting him in the middle of a rally is 100% going to attract unwanted attention (which it did, hence all the grasping at straws trying to connect JOOOOOS to it).
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>>64379939>>64380043>>64380059
>>64380068
>>64380067And? You just proved my point.
>Its an actual turdie obsessed with Israel
>>64380063>Israel had objectively nothing to gain from killing him in a public assassinationThey need eyes off of them because their actions are universally unpopular.Conservative figureheads capitalizing on the opportunity to rail against "leftists" and push for civil war gets them space. It also gives cover to their Republican vassals in the Senate. That time was very efficiently used.
>>64380074What was the point of their little beeper spectacle? You commit terrorist attacks to incite fear in people, and a very public assassination of one of their guys who was threatening to leave the reservation sends a strong message to the rest of them.
>>64379836That story is bullshit. No one in a real combat situation has the time or even possibility of aiming at an oponent's legs specifically. And even then a shot in the leg can be lethal if you hit the femoral artery you'll bleed out in seconds. A firearm is a lethal weapon wether you intend it or not. Also why would you use non-lethal force agaist armed opponents that are clearly here to kill you ?
>>64380091How is this putting eyes off Israel? Charlie Kirk complains about Jews then gets shot, this is fueling more attention on Israel.
>>64380098I think the implication is that they shot at the ground.
>>64380094You can do that to terrorists actively fighting you, you can't to people that simply aren't a big enough zionist.
>>64380060>jew does the thingEverystien Timeowitz>inb4 weapons Yes, I have them. No, I will not post them on an israeli/Fed honeypot board. Every time I do, it seems the (((anons))) on the other end never do :(. Makes me big sad to think that with all the billions in free gibs we give you, you can't even get a basic bitch glawk. Sad!
>>64380105>Mental breakdown because of prior trauma of getting raped hereYawn, go back noguns.
>>64380099Not as much as him actively pointing to them and AIPAC. He's influential enough to make trouble for them.
>>64380098>>64380103Wasn't there this thing about soldiers in Vietnam firing over the enemies' heads so as not to kill them? This seems believable.
>>64380117You don't make it a high profile assassination at a time where support for Israel is lower than ever. It doesn't make sense unless you want to distract from the fact that leftists and leftist Jews are funding domestic terror at home and said terrorists hyperfocus on Israel too. Interesting that the other side that is championing anti Zionism simps for Mossad pesos like Hamas.
>>64380128You forget that they are brazen and overconfident. Their hubris will be their downfall.
>>64380132Oh sorry I forgot that they simultaneously run everything but are this incompetent.
>>64380128>You don't make it a high profile assassination at a time where support for Israel is lower than ever.Cutting losses is a thing, and they had the entirety of right-wing media spin the assassination.>unless you want to distract from the fact that leftists and leftist Jews are funding domestic terror at home and said terrorists hyperfocus on Israel too. Interesting that the other side that is championing anti Zionism simps for Mossad pesos like Hamas.Don't you think you're outing yourself just a bit with this? Normal people don't attempt to spin narratives in a conversation about that exact narrative-spinning in the wake of an assassination. Be honest: How bad are things over there right now?
>>64380142Disagreeing with you doesn't make me a Jew you fucking tard.
>>64380135They don't run everything. Israel answers to the American ruling class, not the other way around.
>DA JOOS RUN EVERYTHING>YOU JOO IF YOU NO AGREEThis is the type of shit I'd astroturf if I was a Jew trying to make anti zionism look stupid as fuck.
>>64380144No, but it's impossible to otherwise explain your position. Go back over your posts and try to convince me you're anything else.
>>64380151see>>64380145
>>64380159You can't possibly understand how someone doesn't think Jews run everything unless they were a Jew?
>>64380157I hate when blacks try to be funny. They're funny when they're just existing and cooning out; when they make an attempt it's just sad.
>>64380165see>>64380164>They don't run everything. Israel answers to the American ruling class, not the other way around.
>>64380165Not what I said and not what you said either.Now go on. Take a shot at it.
>>64380173You're calling me a Jew because... America rules over Israel?
>>64380151>obfuscation of the definition of antisemitism and antizionism This is literally straight out of the israeli social media propaganda play book. Next, you're gonna tell me that saying israel has killed more civilians and children per capita than fucking Nazi Germany (by thier own numbers btw) is blood lible.
>>64380168Maybe you don't have the social acumen to recognize fun
>>64380174Go and explain yourself then because you're just trying to deflect by calling me a Jew because you failed to sell your assertion.
>>64380179Can you link the book
>>64380175I didn't call you a jew. You understand you're talking to multiple anons, right?
>>64380181I don't need to prove my assertion. I've said everything that needs saying. Your paid bleating is going to die down and you're going to need a new distraction. Candace is on your ass and there's no one else who really cares what she thinks. It'll be the most obvious sign you could give. You're going to prove me right, or America's going to turn on you.
>>64379836>kikes and chuds debate on how brown the average israeli is instead of answering the question The answer is yes btw.>https://youtu.be/NHeSC_Ws5Ic?si=58pq_HPzSMD3v6Pj
>>64379836Sometimes, but it can also backfire on you if the guns are interpreted as a threat and you get attacked, then you aren't ready for a real attack because you were just posturing. The best principle is to never brandish a weapon unless you're planning on using it
>>64380190Yeah all you wanna do is cry joo when people don't agree with you uncritically. I gave you plenty of chances to not sperg.
>>64379913Got any other examples?
>>64380196What's the use of posturing now? I'm never going to think I'm so unreasonable that my observations are worth dismissing.Let's keep burying the argument so no one pays attention to anything you said while we were still discussing the meat of the subject here: >>64380091I'm sure no one will think about your motives for posting so defensively when they read that.
>>64380206The arguement is that Charlie Kirk was murdered by Israel, which doesn't make sense as these texts put more focus on Israel.
>>64380209Not as much as he would if he were alive, and if the screaming heads weren't actively pointing to leftists.It's damage control.
>>64380224Except everyone's talking about these texts. It doesn't make sense.
>https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/additional-measures-to-combat-anti-semitism/Not so much a physical book as it is a commonly (((noticed))) pattern. There's a video of a giving a lecture about how they do it, but JewTube has it buried under a lot of MUH 10-7 content.
>>64380230
>>64380226To do something but fail to control the fallout?I suppose it didn't make sense for Russia to declare war against Ukraine either. Someone tell them there's no war.
>>64379966No, but I can assure you that they wouldn't be shooting to scare, if it happened at all.You see this shit in a lot of civilian shootouts, including another one that has the exact reverse situation, where blacks attacked the home of some white veteran.
>>64380232>couldn't even be bothered to make a funny pun out of it like "melt ICE" or "de-ICEr"
>>64380253>veteranWe call them ZOGbots here on 4chan, kiddo. Try to keep up.
>>64380257Yeah, Kash Patel is not doing a good job with these psyops
>>64380232>Anti-ICE written on 1 (one) bullet >leftists have been saying 'Fuck ICE' for a decade >ReTardy Oswald III hits 2 spics and completely whiffs the fat fuck ICE agents>Jeet FBI director shows singular picture with a single bullet written on it>Rs call it leftist terrorism until it turns out the shooter was a literal who schizophrenic >now the FBI says the rifle pictured in the Kirk assassination was actually just an example photo, and not the actual one used to kill himIf you're not sure what's going on, watch The Bodyguard on Netflix. It's British, so excuse the blatant cuckoldry at times. But the plot is fucking magnificent.
>>64380282I know what's going on. It's Domestic Gladio. It's the AmerIsraeli Years of Lead. It's the Strategy of Tension.
>>64380253>white>veteran It's like you're not even trying.
>>64380237Russia is retarded, Israel supposedly can pull off assassinations and pay off all the politicians.
>>64380356Israel is controlled by ethnic Russians.
>>64380258I'm not a thirdie, faggot.
>>64380356Is that not exactly what we're seeing now?
>>64380376If that was the case then there'd be whistleblowers that were failed to be paid off. Instead both sides are completely silent. This is like if Putin bribed Zelensky and pulled off a 3 day SMO.
>>64380384If Israel can pay off politicians so no one speaks, why didn't they pay off Candace or TPUSA to shut up?
>>64380395You can only pay off the willing.
>>64380399There's way more politicians that wouldn't take Israeli money, why aren't they pushing this assertion that Israel killed Charlie Kirk? Not even Candace or TPUSA are saying what you are saying.
>>64380395>why didn't they pay off Candace or TPUSA to shut up?Candace's opinion doesn't matter and everyone knows it. She's poison for anything she touches.TPUSA is trying to make Kirk out to be pro-Israel, so consider them turned.
>>64380406See>>64380405
>>64380395By the way, I only just heard about these texts.You're really well-informed about this old news. Are you going to keep watching it until it falls out of the media? >>64380412Would, wouldn't, blah blah blah blah blah. No one can perfectly account for the intentions, actions, and reactions of people they don't know. Right now, things point to it being a falling out with Israel and you being really bad at pretending not to be what we all can tell you are. Maybe you'll git gud later. Who knows. Until then, just shut up and learn not to give yourself away.
>>64380417>Immediately gives up on the first critical question
>>64380464>so focused on tactics that he can't maintain appearances
>>64380491All you have is "U joo if u disagree"
What a schizophrenic thread. Where do the underground llama people fit into everything?
>>64380501You're failing your country. Post harder.
>firearms>non-lethal deterrentThe only "non-lethal" thing about firearms as a deterrent is that they are a promise to be lethal when a situation escalates. Brandishing a weapon without the commitment to use it to kill if the situation doesn't calm down defeats the point of owning firearms.
>>64379836Sometimes, yes.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
>>64380521I'm correct and you keep proving it lol.
>>64380124I'd like to see the sourcing for that.
>>64381346The vast majority of people are peaceful and don't want to hurt others, especially in a situation as arbitrary and pointless as a war.
stupid laws prevent their widespread use by civilians, but>beanbag rounds >rock salt>rubber (buck and slug)>.22 to the legGuy I went to college with was trying to make something he called a "jerico bullet". the idea was to make a pistol bullet that was more likely to wound and incapacitate than it was too kill. obviously a bad idea for alot of reasons. isreal probably would have loved it though.
>>64379836Yes, of course, but you have to have a clear mind at the moment and self-discipline. I've done it twice.
>>64379836No. Any incident of 'civil disagreement' will inevitably involve the Police, as your more organized enemies snitch on you for 'brandishing' it or 'discharging' it. Even if you kill one of them, their goal has been accomplished.In but a few hours, an armed group of 'Policemen' will arrive to you and will, without compromise, attempt to disarm you and kidnap you. If you resist, they'll kill you.Even if the organized group lost a member doing this to you, they still succeeded as now you're out of position, the government took away your guns for 'investigation', and you can no longer protect your domicile or your family.As a result, your enemies will attack again, now striking at your valuables instead of you. Bonus points if the state actually convicts you for something felony-like so you can't even own any guns anymore.All of this happened because you thought that a firearm is some kind of cone of protection that immunizes you from conflict, as opposed to an advantage that your enemies will attempt to negate.The only way to succeed is if your opposition suddenly met an anonymous assailant and were cut down to a man. The investigators are baffled by the attacker's skillful use of a .32 lorcin. You are baffled too, as you've never met any of these people, own exclusively mossy-oak painted 12Gs, and were out of town on a vacation when it happened. Even if they, unjustly and immorally, begin proceedings against you, at least your family and assets are no longer threatened.
