>three volleys a minute>winsWas it that easy?
>>64383303The whole spitting ball into the barrel was stupid
>>64383303>three volleys a minutetheoretically possible, but barely achievable on the parade ground and theres no way you could maintain that rate of fire on the battlefield even with a fresh unit of veterans for even a single minute
>>64383322You seem mad, frog
>>64383309Clearly they grievously misunderstood how opening the cartridge works
>>64383303>Was it that easy?No and he would have killed a bunch of his soldiers with his stupid reloading technique.
>>64383303they say is was big part of drill to replace ramming rod, because if you lose it you are disarmed.first thing I'd have done is issue everyone a spare rod(or two) and a way to semi-secure it quick and easy, and unconsciously. Like when I was a carpenter and replacing hammer back into nail bags.
>>64383475looks easy.do like I said with "loose" ramrod and you could do 6 a minute, no sweat.Where is SHORT video of Sharp's?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFbfhtw8VwA
>>64383303>>64383322you guys are misunderstanding. the actual 3 rounds a minute is not the whole point. the idea was that in order to achieve or get close to 3 rounds a minute, it would require a disciplined man who is unfazed enough on a chaotic battlefield that he can steadily reload and at speed without major hiccups. that's soldiering.
>>64383488Thats a significantly more modern gun than the ones used in the napoleonic wars
>>64383303I thought it was 4 shots a minute
>>64383664Yeah, they're Sharpe posers
i hate throwing this term around because it's such a misnomer in almost every single example but not this time - the french were the good guys during the napoleonic wars and the entire western world has suffered greatly with the death of napoleon, as did rome with caesar
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>>64383418>no ram rodmemememe
Why did Sharpe do him dirty?
>>64383681>He said you lost the King's Colors>The fault was not mine Sir, Major Lennox by answer...>MAJOR LENNOX ANSWERED WITH HIS LIFE! AS YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE IF YOU HAD ANY SENSE OF HONOR!!!
>dying for a flag>honortruly deranged times
>>64383881the flag exists firstly as a rally point so that you know who you're supposed to be grouping up with if you were to get separated (enabling you to get your shit together again in the event of being routed), but perhaps even more importantly as pre-radio IFF so that commanders have the slightest idea what the fuck is going on in the battle, and the different regiments know who you are and which side you're on: if they receive orders to reinforce the 12th Foot, for instance, they can just go towards that banner instead of having to go around the field asking everyone they meet which regiment they are)this means that losing the colors in battle is a huge deal because it fucks up your regiment's ability to function on the field
>>64383881>>64383946oh yeah also Sharpe (and basically any other media covering the same era) represents linear warfare and the period in general about as authentically as Monty Python and the Holy Grail does the middle agesI mean hell, the first post in this thread was about how Sharpe doesn't even understand how to load a musket properlylinear warfare only seems nonsensical to people in current year because their entire understanding of it is based on films made by equally clueless people
>>64383752Bad writing. I'd rate it worst than the gold hunting episode.
>>64383309>>64383418>>64383686There are documented cases of it happening in the US War of Independence but not in the way depicted in Sharpe.Musket would be primed and then they'd put the cartridge into the barrel and then struck the butt of the musket on the ground to load it. There was no spitting of the ball.
>>64383752Shouldn't have caught a frog bullet with his jaw
>>643833223 rounds a minute isn't too hard if you're well trained and keep your nerve. Some troops could do 4 rounds per minute on a good day. The problem was that the South Essex was made of nepotism and graft so most of the men were barely trained.
>>64384180>There was no spitting of the ball.NTA But you proved the guy you're responding to is right; spitloading =/= taploading. BTW, to do the technique you mentioned, you needed a smaller ball than what the gun was supposed to take, using a .68 or .65 ball on a .75 musket or using a .50 ball on a .58 musket, so you'd lose accuracy with taploading.
>>64384463It was kind of the point of the post. The examples of it also in action that can find all appear to be with users of the brown bess which would be the one musket that such a technique should be easier to do.
>>64383752Sharpe and Aubrey Marutin series have in common the fact that all the stories/parts are shit tier when there's a woman involved.
>>64384559Add Hornblower to the mix
Post the>immediately upon siting a Sharpe threadpasta. I lost it.
>>64384566How could I have forgotten? Quite right, /k/omrade.
Who is a bigger luckshitter, Sharpe, Hornblower, or Aubrey?
>>64384599Show or books?Sharpe is surviving off of all the lives Sean Bean lost in other shows and movies.Hornblower is one giant autist.Aubrey is legit just Thomas Cochrane with his exploits toned down for reading as nobody would believe the shit he got up to could have happened.
>>64384676Let's say both books and movies. Hornblower is the bigger luckshitter for me because he gets promoted to flag rank way, way too early for it to be possible.
>>64384676Aubrey is actually convincingly written as competent. Hornblower is ok but, frankly, the writing in the Sharpe series is a rung or two below the others.
>>64383303Only if you look this good.
>>64385338I do like how the first few chapters of the very first book when Aubrey gets his ship is just seeing how big of guns he can get on it and the quartermaster being in on it.
>>64383958>oh yeah also Sharpe (and basically any other media covering the same era) represents linear warfare and the period in general about as authentically as Monty Python and the Holy Grail does the middle agesI think that's a bit mean. You have to give the Sharpe TV series at least some allowances for being produced on a 1980s-1990s ITV budget. I don't think Yanks appreciate just how little money there is in British television, even more so back then - never mind a shoestring, it's not even a single fibre. For an example, I recommend that you look up a late-70s spy TV series "The Sandbaggers" (it's easy to find on YouTube). It's a great show, but it's so hilariously cheap that they try and pass off the side of a quarry as the Rock of Gibraltar and in an episode featuring an aeroplane hijacking they literally show a plastic model of the plane - they couldn't even afford to take a trip to the local airport and film some B-roll on the tarmac.Anyway, ITV did their best with what they had, but you're really expecting too much if you want every episode to be on the same scale as Sergei Bondarchuck's Waterloo. When all you can afford is one busload of re-enactors for the weekend, you make do.
>>64385820british lost media televiison has some fantastic shows on youtube.
>>64383752Because the guy writing the script had to cut some corners. In the book Sweet William comes off as a fantasist who's just assmad his bubble got burst.>>64383530No, the idea is that the shitey French conscripts were trained to 3, and the side giving fewer volleys wasn't going to be coming off well.
>it's another james bond of the napoleonic wars butchering evil frenchies by the millions while ploughing a hot spanish flunkie you bongs are so butthurt after the 100 years war you simply can't keep the french out of your head.
>>64385820Sharpes Waterloo even reused reversed footage from Sharpes Eagle. Budget was just non existent. >>64387024>Frog hands typed this post!
>>64387024Malding frogniggerIsn't it about time you begged nigel to save you in africa again?
>>64387024The 100 years' war was basically a civil war. Had the plantagenets won, they'd have moved the capital to Paris and turned England into a French colony. By 'Losing', England ensured its independence from France.
I like Sharpe. As a frog. Plus dragoons are depicted as based and efficient, even if plot armor is protecting Sean obviously. No biggie. 80s frenchies hatin' UK TV shows are not a threat. No borders and a country full of brownoid muslisms are.
>>64387172England must never merge with France!
>>64387024And IRL the brits contributed jack shit on land. Sure their fleet kept Napoleon locked in Europe and made him soread his forces. But in Wellingtons army there were always way more spanish and portuguese in the Peninsular war, and germans and dutch at waterloo. Redcoats were at most 25% of any force. They werent even present at Leipzig.
>>64387172more like the exact opposite but whatever
>>64387172This is actually probably correct, it would be the same as the merger of Scotland and England, which nominally put a Scottish king on the English throne but actually made Scotland entirely subordinate to England.
>>64387351They put in backbone and training. There's a reason they were under Wellington's command, and it's because they didn't do very well under their own and unsupported by professionals.
>>64389150The land war was won by the Prussians, Austrians and Russians. The peninsular was a sideshow with armies not numbering more than what some Corps were in the main theaters. It was useful in that it ate up manpower and resources Napoleon couldnt use elsewhere. But the Brits were not the ones who defeated Napoleon. As I said, they were not even present at Leipzig, where the allies fielded 360,000 men and broke the back of Napoleon's army. Waterloo had less than 100k on either side and even then the forces under Wellington were majority Dutch, Saxon, Hannoverian and other allied states, with the Prussian army under Blücher being decisive in the end, as without them the French would not have broken and retreated.Anglo fucking propaganda.
>>64389160They were at Leipzig though, despite being a small contingent, and the whole reason those allied states were there in the first place was British Coin and the blockade.
>>64389160You were specifically talking about the Penisnsular War and Waterloo dipshit.Frankly my take on Napoleon is we should have just let him have his retard playground and waited until it inevitably fell apart. Same for Hitler.Could have taken back the colonies for all the effort put in and got some real benefit instead of the usual centuries of salty wogs mad they needed help.
>>64389167Yeah, Austria and Prussia only fought the French because the British paid them to. Do you expect anyone to believe that?
>>64389176Adjust for inflation and pay them back then.
>>64389167Yeah, typical Anglos using gold to pay for other's blood rather than fight themselves. Then after it's all done, hog the glory and pretend they did it all themselves. Prussians and Dutch at Waterloo? Never heard of them, it was all the British Grenadiers!>>64389171Because those are the only theaters the Brits deployed ground forces in a meaningful capacity. Even in italy and the egyptian campaing, it was all fleet actions. And I agree. If not for the damn English we could have had a Pax Europeia and be a united and strong continent centuries ago. Rather than be divided against ourselves and kill millions of our own in retarded world wars. Enjoy brexit, faggots.
>>64389178Fuck off faggot, the biggest contribution the English had was Trafalgar, which was huge, focus on things that actually matter and stop making petty rage bait post, it's just pathetic. If your next post is more of that, no one will respond.
>>64389186>we could have had a Pax Europeia and be a unitedlmao
>>64389199>what was the Roman EmpireJust allow a Caesar to do Caesar things.
>>64389187If it wasn't for the Peninsular campaigns the dagoes would have just rolled over and guess where those French armies would be headed.>>64389204>what was the Roman EmpireYeah exactly, what do you think would have happened to that if they'd taken all their provinces by force in one lifetime?
>>64389223>Yeah exactly, what do you think would have happened to that if they'd taken all their provinces by force in one lifetime?Under Napoleon? Well it was half working. We dont all use the Napoleonic system of law and drive on the right side for no reason. His reforms were reasonably popular, he may have pulled it off. Under Hitler? Depends on how much genocide he could get done before the Meth killed him. Then you would probably get Wars of the Diadochi 2.0 but with the Wehrmacht, SS, Italians and whatever nations were able to scrap an army together.I firmly believe the Germans would be ruthless and efficient enough though. Napoleon would probably be a preferable candidate for unification. More of European civilization would be preserved.
>>64389238You'd get a Europe-sized Ireland.
>>64389278Which is the richest country in the EU outside of I think Luxemburg?
>>64389223>where those French armies would be headedI think it's fair to say the French army doesn't go very far without Napoleon calling the shots. We see this with the way spain went without him there. If he was on the field the enemy withdrew from him because they would loose, the rest of the French army, fair game. So it doesn't matter where the army went, if he had won Leipzig, he would have mopped up Spain next.
>>64389223>If it wasn't for the Peninsular campaigns the dagoes would have just rolled over and guess where those French armies would be headed.Again, the French troops in Spain amounted to maybe the size of a Corps or two. Although garrisoning troops numbered more. But even the invasion of Portugal by Junot was done with 25,000 men. And that was the largest field army the French fielded in the peninsular war. Sure, those would have been more helpful elsewhere. But Napoleon marched almost 700,000 men into Russia and lost 90% of them. The Peninsular war was a side theatre. And Waterloo mattered far less than Leipzig. It has only become an idiom due to Anglo dominance over media.
>>64389291That's because they're a tax haven dummy. You can't have a continent sized tax haven.
>>64389353So you owe the UK an apology for getting them unnecessarily involved in something that was none of their business then.
>>64389374What are you even trying to say here?
>>64389374Maybe the Portuguese do, ask them.>>64389362Have we tried?
>>64389353Sir, 300k frogs were posted in Spain
Wheres the big man with the multi-barrel gun that goes BANG while he goes AHHHHH
>>64389570>Cheesy 80s guitar mixed with fife and drum intro plays>Small skirmish between the British and French>Tongue is missing as usual>Sharpe flailing his sword around while Hagman gives cover fire>They win the skirmish>Messenger on horseback approaches>"Lieutenant/Captain/Major Sharpe, you are summoned to Lord Wellington's tent">"Bloody ell Patrick, what's 'e want now">Sharpe arrives in old Nosey's tent>His spymaster of the day is there>As is a weasel looking British officer or French lord>"Sharpe, this is Lord Fucksworth, who has a dangerous mission for you - you will be enormously outnumbered, deep behind enemy lines with no support, oh and Major Ducos is around so watch out for him>Lord Fuckworth insults him for being a poorfag but reluctantly accepts that this is Wellington's best man>"As ye like sir, Ah'll get it dun">Cut to Sharpe and Patrick discussing the mission>"It dun maek bloody sense Patrick, why do they need us to tek this castle/find this woman/get these supplies/uncover this plot">"Oh surely as the fields o' Ireland are green, sir, God has a plan for us, sir">A few battles happen on the way to the objective>Oh look it's an attractive young woman who keeps looking at Sharpe suggestively>They fuck>"Look Patrick! It's the thing we're here for!">"LOOK OUT SIR">Lord Fucksworth appears and betrays Sharpe>Ducos appears>"HON HON HON! Bamboozled you again my nemesis">"Bloody Ducos">Battle happens>Patrick goes "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH BANG" with the 7 barrelled gun>Wellington arrives>"Well done Sharpe! You've done it again">Sharpe and his men march into the sunset>THERE'S FORTY SHILLINGS ON THE DRUM...FOR THOSE WHO VOLUNTEER TO COME...
>>64383303Sharpe threads just make me sad abut a generation denied: that we are never, ever going to get a Flashman movie or show. Ever.
>>64390016Give Sora a couple years and you can make it yourself.
>>64384566Noice
>>64384180>>64384463i target shoot with a brown bess and im a rev war reenactor.i have never heard of "tap loading" and can only imagine "spit loading" wouldnt really be a thing.the barrel gets hot as fuck after only a few rounds, plus what idiot would sit there bang away on his rifle during a battle instead of just falling out and getting a new ramrod.if your powder is the slightest bit damp it's prone to failing or fouling.there are many stories through the civil war of solider biting wads off from waste clothe or paper if they couldnt roll proper cartridges.
>>64390130You've never heard about it because officially it was never taught by instructors to infantry; however, there are a few soldier accounts of men who had actually done it. If you have a large bore and some undersized projectiles, then you can do as in the video I'm posting, where he uses .64 cal balls in a .75 cal musket (you do lose accuracy by using undersized ammo). One example of it being done was in the Battle of Waterloo, for example.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9hrB-eaajI>the barrel gets hot as fuck after only a few roundsWhich is why the "spitloading" the other guy mentioned is false; you aren't putting your lips anywhere near the end of the muzzle, especially not to spit a projectile into the barrel. >plus what idiot would sit there bang away on his rifleIt does not damage his rifle at all.
>>64390195ok, i have been educated. thank you, anon.
>>64390036Kill yourself you human waste of space
>>64390195Based gun goon bringing receipts
>>64383309I thought the idea was basically "These guys are going to be bayoneted by the French in a week if they can't put up a decent rate of fire and I don't have time to train them to do it properly, so I'll show them the quickest way to maybe get some lead going downrange."
>>64389278BLACK AS BOG!>>64390016We did get one. It was kind of shit.>>64391071As mentioned in other posts in the thread that tap loading was a thing to provide a quicker rate of fire but the depiction shown in Sharpe is just plain wrong. Anon showing where they are using undersized balls is how it would be done.
>>64390254I will, in fact, not kill myself. Your move.
>>64383303noskirmishers are an essential component of infantry tactics that hardly anyone talks about. part of Napoleon's tactical brilliance was the en masse use of skirmishers. the British Rifles were in fact Wellington's extension and further development of this. and later on, the Prussian reforms which in part led to the victory at Waterloo were a copy of these initiatives, which had been proven effective on both sides in the Peninsular War.>>64383309it was probably done in the heat of the action; no doubt it's hard to stop and look properly which end of the cartridge one is biting open, in the panic of the volleysalso today we really REALLY underestimate how retarded Napoleonic infantry were>>64383958>linear warfare only seems nonsensical to people in current year becausethe Dunning-Krueger gap in current year is wider than ever before>>64384559>Aubrey Maturinyou know nothing Jon SnowO'Brien not only did tsundere-yandere before it was cool, he did it from the English perspective, and anyone who's actually touched a woman knows how true to life the faults of the women in his books are>>64384599Sharpe, who has utterly no peer IRLHornblower is fantasy CochraneAubrey is Cochrane balanced with a lot of canon bad luck, so he's the least unrealistic of the lot
>>64387338>England must never merge with France!underrated joke in an underrated movie>>64387351>But in Wellingtons army there were always way more spanish and portuguese in the Peninsular war, and germans and dutch at waterloo. Redcoats were at most 25% of any forcethe reason why these armies were willing to put their forces under British command is because they acknowledged that British tactics and infantry were superior, idiot>Spanishlost their fucking country until the bongs stepped in>Portuguesesaw the British were superior and assigned their army wholesale under overall British command>Germans and Dutchwere defeated by Napoleon and then fought for Napoleon, you conveniently omittedand unlike the Prussians who redeemed themselves well, the>Dutch at Waterloocontributed the least to the battle>>64389733best Sharpe pasta ever
>>64391738>the reason why these armies were willing to put their forces under British command is because they acknowledged that British tactics and infantry were superior, idiotThis. To give you an idea of the poor quality of Spanish troops, at the Battle of Talavera the Spanish contingent panicked and fled at the sound of their own gunfire. Yes, that bit in Sharpe's Eagle is a real thing that actually happened.
>>64391796that was a particularly extreme example that demonstrates how bad the Spanish troops were, on top of the many other all-Spanish battles that frankly are embarrassing to read aboutoften the infantry, whether of any nation, would fire randomly at nothing, wasting their shots, and then break and run. (as told by eyewitness accounts.) that was simply the poor quality of the average joe soldier at the time. hence why infantry who did not waste their shots, and stood firm in the line of battle, like many British infantry, were considered exceptionally good.(unlike many nations' conscripts including French, British infantry were professionals, usually poorfags who joined for the pay and loot. truly the "scum of the earth". but given training and experience, they eventually make better soldiers than conscripts.)still, IIRC four Spanish battalions firing at nothing and then flee was an exceptional low point in the Napoleonic wars
>>64391648Coward
