when the hell are we gonna see it flying?
Don't worry about it
It's stealth, you won't
>>64385744Why did you post a pic of an empty stage OP?
>>64385744there was a recent crash at area 51.looks like it's gonna take a bit longer.
You won't get to see it even in 2028. Only when it enters IOC the following year will you be allowed to see it.
>>64385759It was just a drone from what I heard.
>>64385744It already is. You just need to chill to wait to see it bro.
>>64385744When the war happens, be patient.
>>64385744First flight is planned for 2028. It’s possible we see it on the ground sometime in 2027 if they unveil it at a comparable point in development to the B-21. >>64385759That was a drone. Possibly not even an American one since the Red Hats can’t use Tonopah right now due to runway work being done.
>>64385744Late 2028 or early 2029.The USAF had to promise trump that he'd be able to see it fly before his term was over.
>>64385744When is the F/A-XX going to be announced? I want another navy cat
>>64385796Could've been an Anduril Fury designed to operate with the F-47. I think the Fury is going to enter production beforehand.
>>64385801Same
>>64385744The Taiwan War is the most likely scenario desu. The US will probably keep making them as fast as possible without releasing actual footage so China doesn't know exactly what it can do until the war is already happening. After actual strikes Trump will release a bunch of footage showing it off
>>64385811The Fury is gay. The YQ-42 is slightly better but the real deal is the Ghost Bat.
>>64385827I don't disagree, I'm just speculating as to what could've crashed.
>>64385744It's alrady flying, you just can't see it.
>>64385827God, that is sexy, looking at it some more anon. The Fury looks like a dildo in comparison.
>>64385811Certainly possible, and the timeline is a close enough fit for when they said first flight would be. Would also explain why there hasn’t been much word on the program the last couple weeks. Only issue I see is that the CCA program so far doesn’t seem to use that level of secrecy, with GA flying their offering out of a company facility. Though I’m not sure how much infrastructure Anduril has in that regard so certainly possible they requested to test it out of Groom.
>>64385840>The Fury looks like a dildo in comparison.So your mom likes it?
>>64385833Oh, that makes sense. Their flight test was supposed to happen around this time too. I think it'd be nice if it actually crashed so we don't end up with a glorified mini F-16 as an increment 1 CCA as opposed to something with actual stealth. Anduril makes good scaling solutions and software but not so much cutting edge hardware.
>>64385827I’m really interested in Thanatos personally. Kratos said it first flew the better part of a year ago, and I’d like to see it in the flesh. The render suggests it would be a lot stealthier than the current crop of CCA offerings, assuming they intend to pitch it for Increment 2
>>64385846kek
>>64385858Oh yeah, Thanatos and whatever the other big boys are cooking up are going to be a whole different beast to increment 1 CCAs. All I can infer is that it's going to be much closer to an unmanned air superiority than a loyal wingman type. That's why it's shrouded in so much secrecy.
>the US had perfectly functional UCAVs over 20 years ago in the form of the X45 and then just binned the entire projectwhat happened?
>>64385906It was a demonstrator, nothing more.
>>64385906They turned into stuff like the RQ-180 and MQ-25
>>64385801>>64385812I was excited all week hoping they'd announce the downselect into the weekend. Even though I already know NG is gonna win I'm just disappointed Hegseth came out of left field and let the hype sizzle out.
>>64385901I kinda wonder if it’s one of those more advanced ones that crashed. The Dreamland Resort guy snooped on their radio traffic and apparently what crashed was armed. Assuming that’s accurate it would probably rule out a first flight. 01:12 "We just had an asset go down"01:13 "it is a UAV, unmanned aircraft, with ordnance”
>>64385744>when the hell are we gonna see it flying?this is the the US 6th gen, it doesnt need a runway, it can parachute back to ground, and its been in service for GOD knows how long
>>64385966
>>64385955Oh shit, that's spooky.
>>64385744>when the hell are we gonna see it flying?
>>64386011
>>64385744You aren't. The Chinese will see it right before it bombs their infrastructure and factories into oblivion. Count on it flying for 25 years before there's any real footage of it flying.
>>64386172/k/ommandos rag on about chink plane shilling and then turn around and say shit like this with a straight facechinkland has completely mindbroken you people
>>64385822I bet these will not be used in any hot war. They'll just chill here with the raptors while we spam f-35s
see what i mean
>see what i mean
>>64385744When you look at ufo threads on /x/
>>64385744Holy shit a PowerPoint presentation just flew over my house!
>>64386213Considering it took hours for someone to post this after the thread went live, and only after someone else posted chinkshit in a US thread, no, /k/ is not obsessed or mindbroken at all. I'd even wager that you made this OP in bad faith and hoped to try and do le epic callout and was pissed that anons were talking about the plane and having fun. Why else would you turn around and reply so angrily?
>>64385744It already flew
>butthurt chinky comes online >starts spamming every threads with chink trash Classic chink dog
>>64386326>>64386906>>64386247>>64386017t.
>>64386950chinkspammer cannot even into greentext stupid fucking nigger
>>64386950Uhhh changbros?
>>64386964>>64386954
>>64385827That's Tindal? Wow much greener than I thought it would be.
>>64386975Whay is this what even is this.Is this video comparing a malnourished little chink boy younger than 22 against a muscle heavy 30s year old?I'm an Azerbaijani native and I fully support the SE Asian alliances but wow who are you fooling?A little twink boy against a large grown man in speed?Lol and lmao and wow.
>>64385744Depends on a variety of factors. I mean, for instance, the Soviet Union had a number of cool designs just before shit fell apart, so just because something might get to even the flying part of things doesn't mean anything worth while is gonna come out of it in the long term. A common tragedy.>>64386997>participate in a sports event>don't send a team of people best fit for said sport
>>64387036War is not sport and as an Azerbaijani I will tell you at full impunity, war is not no some stupid game.How fast your littlest nigger will run up a stair is not anything of relevant to what war area conquest is.
>>64386997>Whay is this what even is this.It's an international SWAT tournament thing. Pretty much started so that local communities and nations can jerk off to just how "good" their cops are.
>>64387066So its as I said of no import and lacking of relevance to real life. No serious special breachers team will send the smallest quickest little man to rush an apartment door.
>>64386964Why is it that every single time some pretendsmug chang comes in here to attempt to gloat about the decline of the Wect I just learn that the thing they are posting about is worse in chingchong tiananmenland? Every single time. Is it an elaborate psyop by the Fr*nch to make me laugh at chyna? Is it the worst Koreans? Japan?
>>64386213How long was the F-117A flying before we had footage of it flying? It was doing sorties in Desert Storm and even we didn't know it was there. We don't make a giant press release every time we have this epic new technology like the Chinks pretend to do. We have the stuff that will make the F-47 obsolete in development right now while the chinks pretend they've caught up to the 1980's technology that is the F-22
>>64387058Yeah, but that isn't "combat" and those aren't soldiers. They're cops. Go whine javelin throwing and Olympic fencing aren't "relevant to what war area conquest is", Mr. Azeri Tough Guy. I'm sure the IOC will gladly receive your feedback.
>>64386975This post convinced me that china isnt weak, but very VERY strong instead.
china made it fly already
>>64387078It's some Chinese Canadian man in his late 30s with no hair who has no real job and gets a small stipend from his mother in Guangdong on behalf of the Chinese government for shit posting on my bicycle tire inflation forum.
>>64387110Spears was ireellvant in the fucking 1500s, fhe europeans man destroyed "common" warfare 500+ year ago.The european mans made the rules and hold what them rules are. For 500 year.
>>64387144They just turned rifles into spears, which are still sort of relevant.
>>64386831if you look at the post above that, you'll see that it took just over an hour for somebody to seethe about it
I find all the chang bad faith threads posed as questions, and all the obvious concern trolling threads on NGAD and F/A-XX amusing. The US fighter acquisition pipeline has been the same for many years now.>DoD branches create requirements>Contractors create X-planes>DoD narrows them down >Contractors conduct fly offs with their YF planes >DoD down selects <----F/A-XX is here>Winning contractor tidies up design and starts production <------NGAD is hereThey did this with the F-16 vs the F-18 in the LWF programThey did this with the F-22 vs the YF-23 in the ATF programThey did this with the F-47 in the NGAD programThey are currently doing this for F/A-XXUS 6th gens have been flying since 2014.Chang can cope, seethe, or live in denial. The US marches on either way.
>>64387071I just want to add to my earlier comment, >>64387066, but China specifically trains teams to do these kinds of international events while everyone else just sends out volunteers who are wanting to have a good time and be competitive in a more natural, friendly manner.
>>64387131I'm afraid you're mistaken about one thing, this is actually a Winston Overwatch inflation forum
>>64385744How much are these 6th-gen planes going to cost? The heavier emphasis on stealth and the bleeding-edge sensors/computing power can't be cheap. Feels like both the US and China will be fielding 5th-gen fighters as the workhorses while the 6th-gen planes will give orders to manned and unmanned missile trucks of varying stealth capabilities.
>>64387158>US 6th gens have been flying since 2014.which one was that?
>>64387171NGAD for sure. F/A-XX is clearly running behind the Air Force program, they probably flew a year or two after though.
>>64387174i thought the NGAD first flew in 2019
>>64387158>US 6th gens have been flying since 2014.No, they haven't. If anything it's just the usual demonstrators that have been flying since the 90s since their airframes are incredibly close to how 6th gen airframe designs look. >>64387171The tech demonstrator for the B21 is alleged to have been flying for roughly over 10 years now. People have found congressional paperwork for the funding for the B-2s replacement program going as far back as 2000-2005.
>>64387158Forgot to add the JSF program with the F-35 and YF-32 too
>>64387178>The tech demonstrator for the B21 is alleged to have been flying for roughly over 10 years now. People have found congressional paperwork for the funding for the B-2s replacement program going as far back as 2000-2005.i wonder how many billions of taxpayer dollars could have been saved had they actually decided to put these planes into production within a sensible timeframe instead of fucking around with black project demonstrators for years and years
>>64387203and when i say "these planes" i mean all black project aircraft in general, not just the current B21/NGAD
>>64387203>i wonder how many billions of taxpayer dollars could have been saved had they actually decided to put these planes into production within a sensible timeframe instead of fucking around with black project demonstrators for years and yearsThe US isnt russia. We want our shit to actually work.The B-21 is actually on schedule and on budget.
>>64387203>instead of fucking around with black project demonstrators for years and yearsAnon, these are testing platforms that are meant to last years/well over a decade with thousands of flying hours put into them. They're meant to test experimental engines, various types of airframe designs and the theories that go into those designs, etc. They're not just military aircraft, they're scientific and engineering queries by their very nature
>>64387219what the fuck have we gained from flying aurora around for decades? where the fuck is it?
>>64387227are you retarded? seriously, are you?
>>64387229we need to pour more money into demonstrators that go nowhere while our infrastructure crumbles
>>64387162Thank you that filled out what I meant in a cooperative way.Yes it is like that. The real world is not some TikTok clip.
>>64387239>we need to pour more money into demonstrators that go nowhere while our infrastructure crumblesDa cumrade, im johnny from Oklahoma oblast and I agree. We need to stop all technological development immediately.Kek you are a fucking retard. Do you think this shit actually convinces anyone?
>>64387244They don't actually think so, they are literally just paid to post it
>>64385744it's not even built yet. They were probably testing and flying a lot of tech demonstrators the last decade.But with how much they're dick wanking Trump, I am gonna guess we'll see an actual physical plane before he leaves office.
>>64387254It's pretty funny, really. Much easier to get funding pressure directly from the president than to try and convince all the others in Congress.
>>64387265Look at the cold war, the fear and hate of collective americans towards the soviets were enough to put us on the moon and crank out wonder war machines.Unfortunately we are not able to have a common enemy to direct the collective towards anymore, so the next best thing is a figurehead to direct worship towards.I am personally more interested in pic related.
>>64387282Long boi. Isn't that just to reduce the acoustic signature of the sonic boom? Heard it sounds like a short this than two booms.
>>64387285I just want this back, and with modern fuel efficient engine development mindset, coupled with new research into less loud sonic booms that were ruffling regulation feathers, I want to cut international air travel time down. If we're doomed to sit in sardine can seating arrangement for economy poors, at least make it take less time to get from A to B.
>>64387282>It is expected to cruise at Mach 1.42 (1,510 km/h; 937 mph) at an altitude of 55,000 ft (16,800 m), creating a low 75 effective perceived noise levelFucking how???? Also, the external vision stuff seems like it could be really cool
>>64387332>external vision stuff seems like it could be really coolwe're getting closer
>>64387354
>>64387244yuri bezmenov was 100% right, holy shitthe 2nd amendment is completely lost on this country
>>64387400>yuri bezmenov was 100% right, holy shit>the 2nd amendment is completely lost on this country>1. Demoralization: This stage takes 15–20 years—the time needed to educate a new generation and expose them to the target ideology. The goal is to corrupt a society's moral and ethical foundations by infiltrating its education, media, and culture to influence the youth. According to Bezmenov, this results in people becoming disillusioned, adopting moral relativism, and rejecting their traditional values.>2. Destabilization: Taking 2–5 years, this stage focuses on attacking the target nation's economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. The erosion of these critical areas makes the country vulnerable.>3. Crisis: This short, intense period lasts only up to six weeks. It culminates in a violent power shift, bringing the nation to the brink of collapse.>4. Normalization: The final stage is the aftermath of the crisis, where the new regime consolidates power and restabilizes the country. The term is used cynically to describe how a target nation becomes "normalized" to the new oppressive system. Fascinating
>>64387400>>64387409>a sensationalist spin-doctor weaves vague bullshit for money>morons keep flinching at shadows thirty years down the line, because anything and everything (particularly that, which resonates with their preconceptions and anxieties) can conveniently fill the indistinct void of said vague, nebulous bullshit spanning an equally indefinite time-span of decadesWow, amazing.
>>64388053>nothing to see here, do not believe your lying eyes)))
>>64388339Explain optical illusions, nigga
>>64386975fatass sniper let his team down
>>64385906The 2000s USN didn't like unmanned planes. Check out the fighter pilot boomers doing podcasts on youtube for an idea of the archetype.
>>64385906Retarded personality defects in the leadership aside, plans simply didn't require them. The Air Force won the Cold War, so it didn't need new toys. The global policing mission definitely doesn't require them. Near peer air combat is being threatened by upstart powers like China, so it's now time to take the job seriously again and extend the technological materiel gap until they give up.
>>64385744I never see people debating what the Wikipedia specs of the F-47 are going to be. >Six internal-bay hardpoints>Supercruise capability
>>64390028Why would it have less bay space than the F-22? 1000nm+ range even helped by the 25% more efficient VC engines means a bigger plane.
>>64389932>>64389973You're telling me that the US military didn't see the meteoric rise of China as a thread and the potential of unmanned aircraft in the near future? How has the US not collapsed yet?
>>64390181>as a threat*
>>64390181>meteoric rise of Chinalol, lmaokeep coping chang
>>64390181>That hard plateau oof
>>64390212China went from being as poor as Sub-Saharan Africa in the 1960s to rivalling the US economy in 2025. Think of their government whatever you will but you can't deny that they're a challenger at this point
>>64390181>the US military didn't see the meteoric rise of China as a [sic] threadNo. Everyone thought that opening up to the world economically would result in them becoming more moderate and liberalising socially and politically due to a rising middle class, and they'd chill the fuck out and become like a european country. They seemed to be heading in that direction until about 2009 when they abruptly started reversing course in pretty much every area, but they were still mostly being diplomatic and people thought it might be a temporary thing. Over 2010 to 2013 they became increasingly bombastic and belligerant in their communication and actions, especially re the South China Sea and Taiwan, culminating in the mid-late 2010s which is the period where you formed your opinions about China and, for eg, Trump was able to make Chaynah the centerpiece of his 2016 campaign messaging because their rhetoric had been so insanely belligerant for years. The period immediately prior to this is also when the US military started reorienting onto China as a strategic threat with the start of the Pacific Pivot under Obama.In general, the whole idea of liberalisation and integration into a rules based international community through trade was thought to be legit an infalliable until Russia started monkeying out in 2008 (Georgia) through 2014 (Crimea) while China also started going sharply backwards after many years of promising progress. The repudiation of these ideas lead to soul searching that's still going on about how liberalism and democracy should engage with illiberal and undemocratic countries, both weak and strong, and what domestic and trade policies are reasonable in a world where trade doesn't necessarily liberalise.
>>64390242It's completely insane to me that US policymakers thought that a country led by shrewd, diehard patriots obsessed with achieving a vision of Communism within China through a decades-long plan thought that the country would somehow become a liberal democracy or something of the like. I'm certain that will go down in history as one of the great geopolitical blunders
>>64390264There was hope in the world after the fall of the Soviet union.
>>64390264It was assessed, probably correctly, that most of the CCP doesn't actually give a shit about communism. What they got wrong was that the CCP would let go of power. The two aren't necessarily the same thing.
>>64385744I imagine it's going to be unveiled before Trump's term ends, but dude the moment the F-47 is unveiled there will insane chink cope threads nonstop for a couple of days here and on /pol/.
>>64390713>, but dude the moment the F-47 is unveiled there will insane chink cope threads nonstop for a couple of days here and on /pol/.I'm looking forward to it.
>>64390288the US started offshoring their manufacturing over a decade before that
>>64386986Most likely the wet season.
>>64390713The funniest thing about it to me is that they're doing everything they can to egg someone to release *something* but they know it's actually over when it actually gets released.
>>64392608What do you mean?
>>64394450China desperately wants at least an idea of what the F-47 looks like so they can model defenses against it or more likely copy the next gen template to make their own, but the the US has been tighter than a nun's ass about everything surrounding this plane.This info would have especially been a quantum leap for them when the NGAD program started in 2014 and chink tech aerospace was still well in infancy, and that still extends to today.Starting in the beginning of 2022 when NGAD was bought to the spotlight as the USAF's next gen fighter with some $5b in contracts being doled out for competitors to work on the engine which made the plane's progress since it's 2019 demonstrator flights very concrete. Interestingly enough 3 years later we get 3-4 clobbered together demonstrators being 'leaked' ie. flown slowly over population centers and parked in open hangars. This is followed by a flood of chinkspam claiming that every single sighting is 'China's 6th gen' saying that they're flying before the NGAD, the NGAD doesn't exist, etc...One thing that chinksects forgot is that burgers don't have a face culture hardwired into their psyche, so this literally means nothing to the government or people actually involved in the program. There is nothing to 'clap back' when the program has been secret from the get go.
>>64386975>What demonstrator/competition is this?>Who is China Police Team B?>Why NYPD of all US police departments? >What is the context of the video?>How familiar was the American with the setup? >Were the weapons used familiarized effectively to both competitors?Everything about this seems off. Dont the Chinese also train dudes to be hyper competent at incredibly niche competitions like in the Olympics?>>64387066that makes sense. Dont use teams usually steal the show for marksmanship comps?
>>64389973They restarted the whole thing seriously in 2014
>>64394576this.
>>64390242Your highVery few people have your idealistic mindsetThe vast majority of the world is desperate or psychopathicOnly a fool would see losing jobs and expect kensian economic balances to magic into existence.
>>64390683>this is how americans see chinayour enemies can read you like a book but you don't even know the most basic thing about your enemiesholy shit, you guys are fucked
>>64399323many decades of comfort and being on top can do that to a nation.
>>64385744according to usa spokeperson it flew in 2020(totally not because j20 enter serial production back then)according to the same spokeperson in july 2024 he said the design would finalize in decemberaccording to him again in february the estimate was 2027 for the first roll on prototypeaccording to him again in may the estimate went to 2028we have 2 months left in 2025 im sure they gonna delay it even more
>>64400134>(totally not because j20 enter serial production back then)kys, can't even get your numers right? What will the CCP think when you say that the J-20 entered service 3 years later than it did? Are you undermining the speed at which the glorious PLAF gets things fielded? Boeing's NGAD demonstrator flew in 2019, and that was casually announced in 2020 at a conference. No press release. Boeing has been downselected this March year and they're already making the production representative prototypes as announced in September, with flights in 2028.Honestly implessive how you got both the dates for chinkshit and burgers wrong, you collosal fucking retard.
>>64400201>inb4
>>64400201>can't even get your numers right? What will the CCP think when you say that the J-20 entered service 3 years later than it did? Are you undermining the speed at which the glorious PLAF gets things fielded?check your facts instead of trying to bullshit your way out of a convo by painting someone as a chink chong
>>64400209>The Chengdu J-20 entered serial production (also referred to as full-rate production) in October 2017. Why are you continuing to double down instead of searching for 10 seconds?
>>64400223this was the first line anon the 2020 production opened up for the latest version of it and the one that entered service in 2025 the early versions all 19 of them are currently being fitted out with the wsg or wg whatever its named 10 engine of china
>>64400229>shifting the goalpostsYou said serialized production and now you're going on about random lines.
TIL the F-14 enter in service during the mid 1980s.
>>64400238nigga the first generation never entered service what the fuck you are on about how simpler should i make it for you they were intended to fly with the russian engines those yellow fuselage ones stop being an idiot
>>64400270You need to be 18 to post on this board. How does an unpainted plane enter IOC? The J-20 entered both IOC and serialized production in 2017.
>>64400338meant to b not s
>>64400338One again, moving goalposts. Is it so difficult to say you forgot to include information or were mistaken in your initial claim instead of digging more obscure and pedantic details in a bid to try and be correct?
>>64400348moving goalpostsdude i asked a very simple thingthe first generation NEVER ENTERED on active duty thats a fact
