>https://militarnyi.com/en/news/russia-to-begin-production-of-new-t-90m2-ryvok-1-tank-in-2026/
>>64387850Is that the version with a second gearbox for (symmetrical) reversing? If they remove that then they're fucking retarded.
>>64387857That was never a feature on the T-90Ms.
>D...daddy. What about me?
How will the reduction of workdays in the tank factories impact the delivery of these tanks?
Not very impressive numbers, but at least they'll already have over a hundred Armatas by 2026.
>>64387865I'm talking about the new variant they trialed recently, but one thing is a prototype and another is a (planned) "production", of course that the old M and the wartime M (same version but lacking some parts) doesn't have it.
>>64387850>Russia to Begin Productionkekkkk
impressiev
>>64387850What's different about this one compared to the bog standard T-90?
This time with Temu components!
>>64387898Downgraded electronics and sights I bet.
>>64387898it has a new number therefore its better!
>>64387898https://www.google.com/amp/s/defence-blog.com/russia-prepares-to-build-new-t-90m2-tanks/%3famp>The papers outline specific technical aims for the T-90M2 upgrade. Engineers are said to be revising the fighting compartment and addressing a long-standing mechanical issue by refining the transmission and adding a reverse gear. The modernization also includes the installation of larger video-observation displays, described in the documents as panels “with a diagonal of not less than 38 cm” to improve crew situational awareness. Frontelligence Insight adds that “a similar fighting compartment is planned to be installed on the T-80.”This is on top of the upgrades the T-90M Proryv-3 brought.
>>64387917So STILL no fix to the carousel of death? Kek what a bunch of fucking retards. Even the Ukrainians managed to come up with a bustle mounted autoloader. Ziggers tongue my anus.
>new t-72
>>64387850>STILL -4 KM/H just use the t80 at this point
>>64387986They can't. Losstech is lost.
>>64388009lost archeotech
>>64387940Nigga just don't get hit.
Are they finally making new hulls?
>>64388009Weren't the t80 made in Omsk? So, what's the problem then?
>>64387850Having a tank beats no tank. Barely. Tanks are still useful but getting less useful every year. We've known since early 2024 Russia was planning to set aside or build a reserve of 800 tanks for the post-war and this is confirmation.
>>64388069>Tanks are still useful but getting less useful every year.if this was true US should ship 2000 Abrams and 1000 Paladins now before they go out of style and become worthless
>>64387850The age-old unanswered question rears its head again. Are the Russians building new hulls?I would wager that these "new" T-90M2's being built are using hulls from storage.
>>64388060The city had been neglecting its obligations; the bird took many things from them as recompense.
>>64387917>refining the transmission and adding a reverse gear>adding a reverse gearsupposedly to address the abysmal performance of the existing reverse gear?
>>64387850>Russia to Begin Production of New T-90M2 Ryvok-1 Tank in 2026Fast forward into late 2026, the start of production is delayed to 2028.And in 2029 it is silently buried and never existed you russiphobe
>Ziggers keep trying to troll western tanks for not having anti-drone systems>Ziggers 'claim' 'new' T90 model>no anti-drone systems
>>64387850импpeccивнoe
>>64387940Allegedly ziggers already had a fix in the 90's.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Eagle_(tank)
>>64388239They literally can't, they're using the same BKP transmission units as found on the T-64 to this day. The Ukrainians put a transfer case in the final drive of their T-84 Oplot to get around the abysmal reverse speed (which is also the lowest gear to help pull out other tanks, which is why it is so damn slow because ARVs are for capitalist pigdogs) of the BKP but they're running up against growth limits as to what the suspension and drivetrain can handle. The T-84 descends from the T-80UD so this should say a lot more about how growth limited the T-90s are given they're T-72 hulls.
>>64388378dude lmao they cancelled the stretched hull T-80 that the BE was. Omsk died from starving to death from poverty while UVZ was given free BJs every day for being the favored retardo-child of Russia.>Every time a better design comes up, down to being just slightly higher cost at significantly higher capability, it gets axed and UVZ gets free reign to make shit instead>Ever since the Cold War era USSR>To this very fucking day
>>64388451In the aviation space, is there one company that gets favorite-child status?
>>64388457Suckhoi sure fucked MiG over after the UAC merger at worst but they don't compare to the immensely egregious favored 'tard child status of Uralvagonzavod.I was surprised Mil didn't fuck Kamov over in UAC given how many Ka-52s were picked over the abomination that is the Mi-28 and "third crew rescue spot" aka the empty space in the tail.>lol wut nightfighting capability>lol wut all weather capability>maybe you can get that if you buy the super duper ultra mi-28n+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++obr2010So the helicopter space isn't as retarded. That and Kurganmashzavod is kind of the only game in town for IFVs but my god does UVZ have a death grip on the Kremlin for being able to shit out slopware.
>>64388060The Kazakhs poisoned the wind.
>>64387850>Wake up, babe. New Panzer IV Ausf. J just dropped.
>>64387986They're already suffering enough fuel shortages as is.
>>64387858>2026>10That's all we're ever going to see and they'll roll right off the line and into a kill zone.
>>64387850They can't even afford to sleeve up the gun?
>>64387850No they are not.>>64388069>Russia was planning to set aside or build a reserve of 800 tanks for the post-warAnon, the tanks they mentioned for the 800 were T-62Ms. There is one *minor* thing about T-62 production that differs compared to any other Soviet tank post USSR. Can you guess what it is?
>>64388622>coy reddit shitSlap yourself for assuming everyone is as stupid as you are. They said one kind of tank, now they're doing another kind. That doesn't mean they don't want tanks, midwit.
>>64387850>Leopard 2A6 at home
>>64387872>Massive armor on the front>No armor on the roof or backMade with cold war in mind as every other "future tank" projectI fear the French and German equivalents are also suffering from this, ultra expensive heavy tanks that would on paper demolish any other tank or boots if only drones didnt exist
>>64388444They only had the space to do so in the T-84 because they swapped out the engine too.
>>64388722The point is T-62s are the only ones still in production (outside of Russia) for 3 decades which anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the subject is aware of. It has been discussed dozens of times on /k/ which anyone who didn't just show up from reddit would know.
>>643878802026 is in two months browhere the fuck are the Armatas lmao
>>643888152026 is of long year tovarish, many time left )))
>>64388457Suck-Hoi is that company. To the point that when they wanted to make a new cool and modern civilian plane (what became the SSJ-100) they've created a civilian suckhoy company to spearhead the project instead of having their more appropriate companies like Tupolev, Ilyushin or Yakovlek handling it.
>>64388060The Omsk factory died, UVZ was kept on life support.
>>64387850>Russia to Begin Production of Newstopped reading right there
>>64387877I'm sure everything is fine
People here doesn't understand that Russia has the largest tankites deposits in the world, they can literally mine tankitenite-72 and smelt a T-90 after adding some additional raw materials.
>>64388776It's impossible to armor against drones, they need to be handled with other methods.
>>64390295Its been a slow downhill slide into shit tankites ever since they exhausted the stalinium reserves >>64390311Drones are not great But no ones managed to find anything that works against the last generations of top-attack munitions and they will turn most everything into a busted unit. More importantly the drones enjoy dominance in a relatively static environment when they can set up, maintain high levels of battlefield observation and intelligence to respond. But if you're dealing with a force on the hop that's moving fast and needs a seeing to, you want the top-attack munitions on that kind of scale to deal with them.Assuming of course you don't have arty + air to help on the more macro-level of countering armoured movement
>>64388378That was literally just a wooden mockup with no engineering performed and the funds embezzled. The Ukrainians actually developed working vehicles, pic related.
>>64390115Nome has another diphteria epidemic?
>>64387940>NO BUT OUR AUTO-LOADER SAVES US ROOM AND A CREWMEMBER AND IS SUPER EFFECTIVEThem still fielding this fucking death trap just goes to show that soviet and by extension russian engineering is fucking shit.I still remember that video from the first year of the war, before everyone went on about "muh drones" where we saw a T-something-M engage from an overhead drone footage>T-something rolls up from behind cover/defilade>Fire a single shot from main cannon,>Jerking motion while tank shifts to reverse>Backs out like it's a fucking truck into the loading bay>Get hit in the side by the ATGM and just fucking evaporates while the turret is tossed out of frameEven with all their ERA and jammers and other bullshit tacked on you can't overcome that retarded design flaw.
Russians told me that it's better to attack with fast bikes and civilian cars so why are they wasting money on refurbishing tanks?
>>64388770Kek, they could only whish
>>64390115Nice. How much кiббle to the mile?
>>64388995I always wondered why in recent years we only ever see new Sukhoi variants appear while MiGs are basically gone and Yak is downgraded to making trainers.
>>64391140I don't know if you have to actually feed Russian dogs, normally they just get let loose and run around the nearest park eating pensioners and women
>>64391114What's insane is that already back in the fucking Soviet era the Ukrainians (Kharkiv) were already pushing for ammo to be stored in a separate bulkhead. The T64 was Ukrainian (Malyshev) and higher performance and was considered too complex so the Russian (Ural) T62 was the mainstay of the USSR. Later the Russian T80 (Omsk) was developed from the T64 but with a gas turbine engine. This too was considered too complex for mass production, so the Russian (Ural) T72 became the mainline tank of the USSR and was much much lower performance. The T72 was designed as a secondary tank, the low in a high low mix. The Ukrainian T80UD (Malyshev) with a boxer 12 cylinder engine instead of the gas turbine was to be the mass produced higher spec vehicle but the Russians just decided to spam more and more and more lower performance T72s and their variants. The T90 is just a T72 upgrade. It's actually lower performance than the T80/T80UD. The Ukrainians developed the T80UD into the T84 which is higher spec than the T90. Russians ALWAYS go for the cheap low spec version and hope they can just spam it. They simply don't fucking understand that simply having a bigger number of things doesn't mean that they will win. They can't comprehend that sometimes quality does beat quantity.
>>64391011>Blyato
>>64391153As a reminder: The T-62 design was rejected because the USSR thought that idea of a basic improvement over the T-55 that could be upgraded in the future with a bigger gun or turret was a dumb idea. The USSR also hated the T-62 because it could not fit a autoloader. Almost 80 years later T-62s are still being made while it has been 3 decades since any other Soviet based design has been produced. The DPRK makes more tanks and tank hulls than Russia and have done so for 30 years, the T-62 design has been completely and totally vindicated. It is pathetic that it has taken Russia since 1961 to realize the reality of modern armored warfare.
>>64391161>his whites are yellow>melaninOh fug, he black yo.
>>64387850>new tank>look inside>crusty old hull refurbished with extra shit on top>same old underpowered engine>same old tanker space program certified ammo carousel>armata memoryholedlife as a russian is a constant humiliation
>>64391114So many memories...You made me think of this one.
>>64391196this one is legit my favorite
>>64391114I'm quite partial to this one, personally
>>64391208Yeah that's the classic LIVE T90 REACTION>>64391201I lol'd, thank you.Such a majestic explosion
>>64391201Fucking hell that's got to be the turret toss gold medalist
>>64391201>here is your reactive explodium blocks
>>64388776You are spouting quite a number of liés and crap>French and German equivalents are also suffering from thisFirstly, there are no german and specially no French tanks deployed in this war.But they are many turkish tanks deployed directly from the turkish depots made in Germany, that are suffering losses the turkish regime's own inability in Warfare.So to hide the turkish's weakness, you shift the blame on the Western manufacturers or attempt to drag other, who are strong, at the same level on military's idiocy.When the turkish are beaten by the Kurdish freedom fighters and other, |they also tried to blame on the German patreons but this was debunked; the fucking equipment was good, but the one who deployed it, the ridiculous and disgusting turkish regime, was bad at war and they clumsy.>only drones didnt existNope, the mediocres turkish drones are shot down and hold no utility on |the Battlefield. They are not the future and you wouldn't think about darling claiming the opposite if putin wasn't an moron who dowgraded his own military's offensive capabilities and mislead, took some idiotic decisions and didn't deployed his infantry properly.
>>64387857>>64387865>"The papers outline specific technical aims for the T-90M2 upgrade. Engineers are said to be revising the fighting compartment and addressing a long-standing mechanical issue by refining the transmission and adding a reverse gear. "
>>64388815Maybe they meant the Islamic calendar?
>>64391161kek
>>64391140>>64391149Remember when they said the cube was food for a dog kennel?
>>64391232>Firstly, there are no german and specially no French tanks deployed in this war.nta but aren't leopards german?
>>64390797Lazerpig can you kindly fuck off. You thought a fucking straight 4 car engine made more torque than a supercharged V12 tank engine.
>>64390797Is this Lazerpig person perhaps a Russian shill?
>>64391182You are the most cancerous fucking cunt on this board and I hope you legit get dismembered by glowies for shilling bullshit for a foreign power when WW3 comes around
>>64387898This one's imaginary. Can't beat a tank with the power of ether behind it.
>>64391334he's a fat bong faggot
>>64391288monkey models lie the turk ones the kurds blew up with tows.
>>64391344Well that is worse than being Russian shill. That is being so boring as a bong that i can't figure out how to care enough to manufacture a fake conflict for /k/'s amusement. How disappointing he must be to the UK. Carry on. >>64391339Quite bold of you to assume i'm not the Glowie and you are not the enemy we are after.
>>64391361SS Div. Schweiz
>>64391153>They can't comprehend that sometimes quality does beat quantity.There's a point to be made that a lot of shit will overwhelm high quality gear. Especially in the instance of armored warfare, but it all kind of goes to shit if you don't have the logistics to back it up and on top of that your adversaries managed to create top-attack missile and other ATGM's which turn a single penetrating hit from disastrous to right out catastrophic. Once that totally unprotected carousel get hit you’re fucked.I still like how some videogames like to pretend the T-series are hot shit, meanwhile we’ve seen Western tanks take multiple hits and eventually cook-off. Any penetrating hit on the side of a T-series tanks shows them blowing up instead. Real fucking telling.>>64391196>>64391208Is it just me or are videos of T-series showing how crappy the drivers and/or transmission is with them jerking about. Pretty sure most Western armoured vehicles don't behave this way (or I am just biased in footage).
>>64391369I'm pretty sure norktard has shared enough of his origin story for you to work out how he became norktarded, from college through to exceeding his annual dose of norkery many times over. Normal people don't have a day job where they have to immerse themselves in so much nork bullshit that they develop stockholm syndrome and start unironucally juching.
>>64391334He was bumming some Russian dude back in the day. Make of that what you will
>>64391201What was that shit barn packed full of, artillery shells? They didn't seriously fill those mobile sheds up with a full ammo load did they?
>>64391232I can't tell if this is some next level yuro seethe or if it's the latest cope.
>>64390357“People here don’t understand that Russia has the largest tankite deposits in the world,” the old engineer said, coughing diesel fumes through his respirator. “We mine it raw from the Ural strata — Tankitenite-72, shimmering under the frost like frozen oil. You can smell the steel in it.”In the year 3045, the Earth is long divided into Resource Domains, each fighting over the last usable veins of weaponized minerals. The Americans lost their Freedomite seams during the Silicon Collapse. Europe’s Democracium cracked under austerity. But in the East, deep beneath the ruins of Chelyabinsk, Russia still digs — and refines.Their foundries hum day and night, fed by the sacred ore: Tankitenite. Smelted with rare elements like Vodkium, Scrapite, and the last traces of Stalinium — the mythical metal once believed extinct after the Great Purge of Alloys.They say only the T-Forge Priests remember the process of true Stalinium refinement. They wear boilerplate cassocks and carry relic torque wrenches, chanting:“Through pressure, through heat, through glorious overengineering — we resurrect the machine!”But the truth is grim. The pure veins are gone. Modern tanks roll off the lines built of shit tankites — brittle, flammable, and haunted by the ghosts of unpaid factory workers. Their turrets jam. Their tracks crumble. Yet the propaganda still calls them invincible.Deep underground, in the secret mines of Novouralsk, the last unrefined chunk of pure Stalinium lies encased in concrete, guarded by the Iron Commissars. Legends say that when Russia truly falters, it will be melted down to forge one final tank — the Tsar of Armor, the T-∞ — whose engine will run not on fuel, but on patriotism itself.CAPTCHA: YAK2KBuild this.
>>64391361>Well that is worse than being Russian shillThere is nothing worse than a russian shill, even the most vile vegan pajeet troon faggot isn't as bad as a russian shill
>>64391114this one? I think it was a tank-on-tan shootout.
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>>64391114It's not the carousel that fucks the tank up. It's that the fucking fuel tanks are full of ammo (yes really) and are all over the compartment. Oh and they're also made of TNT-impregnated PAPER.
>>64391392no, it's a reference to Kim going to a Swiss school
>>64391212There have been higher and longer ones, believe it or not. But this one is still in the top 10.
>>64391430The problem really is the loose ammo around the compartment. If an enemy round is able to punch through your front glacis,through the gun breach, and through the corousel and hit the wet stowage fuel tank, you were fucked long before that. The big issue is the loose stuff around the turret. The commander is literally sitting on two loose propelent charges. The gunner has shells strapped right next to his head - there are shells right on the back of the turret wall. The carousel is too low for a direct hit, if the tank crew is good and knows how to hide the lower hull. Retards bitch about the Leo2 having it's stoage at the front of the hull, but they forget it's part of the german army doctrine - the ammo is behind the most heavilly deffended part of the tank, and it was expected the the crew wouuld know to hide the hull behind berms, or in tank positions - it was assumed that Germany would be on the deffensive.
>>64391431>>64391392 was meant for the author of >>64391339
>>64391285Its really not that far fetched that they'd feed dead mobiks to wild dogs, Russian cities are places where people not irregularly get chewed up by roving bands of mutts. Old folks, small children and women mostly can get set upon and mauled, sometimes to death.They do fulfill a similar function in the Ukraine ecosystem by now. You killed or chased away Mr Mittens and Scruffy's owner, now 'you are feeding them'
>>64391448>>64391392You're a fucking faggot who's attached his personality to a garbage third world dumpster nations failed MIC and 70 year outdated system and invented a fake persona for yourself on a Nihon no kuso keiji boodo. Your waifu is a limpwristed talentless bug faced nepo juchegarch latching on to a dead ideology who your pathetic low test cock will never meet. A /k/ tankie.
>>64391442>the ammo is behind the most heavilly deffended part of the tankhull storage is dangerous because it is a potential threat from almost any angle of attacka penetrating frontal hit will lose most of its energy punching through the thick armor, so if the ammo is in the way of the degraded round, then it could cause what would have been an M-kill into a K-killattacks from the side will likely hit the hull rather than the turret, its less well protected than the turret and its largerso its more likely to be targeted, more likely to be hit, and more likely to be penetratedthe only place where hull storage is safe is from a total-rear attack, but these constitute a minority of engagement angles
>>64391421Essentially Russian's are Chaos Dwarfs ruling their Orky slaves down in the pits. Isolated and sanctioned by Sensible Dwarfs out of conventional markets, the best they can do is flog off their nasty gear to their neighbouring degenerate species for more slaves, gold and other nasty, sinful objects.The rest is chaos-engines>how does it work?>fucked if I know, it blows things up, sometimes it blows up>that's why there's no refunds, warranty or training!
>>64391433>It doesn't even medalWell damn... This is my fault for not paying closer attention to the vatnigger space program
>>64391421kek
>>64391421Yakovlev Yak-2000 confirmed
>>64391413Seems to me just some retard obsessed with turks for some reason.
>>64388505Kek. Underrated post.
>>64391375Russia made a big deal out of having a tank that can turn on the spot without driving forward like 6 months ago
>>64391426the falling guy always gets me
>>64391153Ukraine vs Russia in tech development was always present, wasn’t it?
>>64391835
So, how do Ukraine tanks of their own design fare against Moscowvite ones?
>>64392412Time has shown that soviet/russian shit can be good as long as it isn't used/maintained by the russians. Take that however you want.
>>64392412>The Ukrainian Ground Forces reportedly had 6 T-84 in service as of 2021Not enough to really make a difference. Thailand has more but they don't really face any opposition. Cambodia only has T-55.The T-64BV Zr. 2017 seem to work alright but it's still only a T-64.
>>64392533>>64392536I’m talking about the T-84 and the variants of it, exclusive to Ukraine, versus its Russian foes.
>>64392412>>64392610The T-84 isn't an indigenous design, it's built on a T-80 hull.
>>64392610https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.htmlSince there's little evidence of them getting damaged or destroyed, they likely didn't field them in bigger numbers.
>>64391114Imagine. Just imagine hating on the carousel of fun.>>64391196>>64391208>>64391426Look at what we could have lost. This alone makes this timeline worthwhile.
>>64392625> it's built on a T-80 hull.on a T-80UD that is a T-64 modified for a larger engine and compatible with the T-80U standard.
>>64392723What about the Oplot and Yatagan? How do they compare?
>>64388815Igor pocketed the parts
>>64393621Must have been big pockets, desu
>>64391208Easily the best. Giant explosion, followed by smoke revealing a picture perfect wreck of a T-90 like you'd find in Battlefield 3 or 4. Kino.
>>64396976A vatnik had a meltdown on en.wiki to permanently delete that pic from the article "Jack-in-the-box effect"
>>64387850Still waiting on those 2-3k Armata tanks Armatard promised us Russia will have in 2020.
>2025 the Russian at k can now neutral steer That’s Like a jeet Bragging about being able to use the toilet
>>64397327Not neutral steer, they just added a reverser, the steering system (multiple fixed turning radius) remains unchanged.
>>64391426>>64391872I remember when some ziggers posted a video of a couple of lost Ukie vehicles at the same spot, acting all smug and all, but then everyone started making fun of them because you could still see the hole in the roof. Wish I had saved that one.
>>64388480>"third crew rescue spot"self recovery of downed pilots is actually really useful, which is why there is an official way to strap a nigga to the outside of an apache and also prototyped exint pods for the harrier
>>64397345That’s even more pathetic
>>64391182Except they were completely correct in that the T-62 design was a dead end due to the choice of gun caliber compared to the T-55. A higher performance and penetration 100mm gun and rounds were right around the corner and out performed the T-62’s 115mm up to the current day. The 115 is an awkward middle child and the T-62 while an improvement over the contemporary T-55 is inferior to the T-64 on every technical level. It still has an ammunition cook off problem as the ammo is stored directly behind the driver. It has less powerful engines. It has less visibility. It has a fucking awful shell ejection system too. Not to mention a lack of composite armor. Nork copies (Chonma-Ho) aren’t really that good either, with inferior composite armor on the later models and while it’s impressive they got as much out of the design as they did (it’s also often inferior to the T-62 baseline, not even the M, Nork copies have thinner armor and worse optics than the Russian ones) it’s telling their current designs are ditching the T-62 gun and design scheme completely.
>>64392091Always but Uralvagonzavod-Kartsev had the Kremlin's dick in their mouth or something. They always were the preferred option no matter how shit their designs were and how they actually ended up costing more (T-64 at Kharkiv had production optimizations making it cost less than lower capability T-72s early on, used less strategic resources). There was always lobbying between the design bureaus and factories but UVZ had that has that as their superpower as the most retarded factory x bureau combo.
>>64397425They didn't put straps or shit in there, you get bashed around the tail and hit the avionics that's in there. It was lazy marketing effort to claim it to be an actual spot. They just pretended this doesn't happen at all:
>>64391182>The DPRK makes more tanks and tank hulls than Russia and have done so for 30 years, the T-62 design has been completely and totally vindicated.Sure thing, buddy. Now take your pills and go back to bed. The grownups are having a conversation here.
>>64388480>but my god does UVZ have a death grip on the Kremlin for being able to shit out slopware.The problem isn't UVZ shitting out slopware. The problem is that the Russian Army and the government have been made aware countless times of the modifications necessary to the T-90 line of tanks to make them safe enough for tanking. The Gov and Amry just don't want to commit the funds to it because they're still operating in that old WWII tank spam mentality.
>>64391426Still saying it needs the Goofy yell edited in there.
>>64388069>Assuming Russia is going to still exist post-warGot to admire that optimism.
>>64399238>Got to admire that optimism.>His turret and optimism: gone.
>>64398869most of its parts were standardized with the T-55 and crew training for these two tanks were so similar that practically no transitional training was required for a T-55 crew member to transfer to a T-62. In this respect, the relationship between the T-62 and the T-55 was quite similar to the relationship between the M48 Patton and the M60Gun was just a bored out 100mm toohttps://thesovietarmourblog.blogspot.com/2015/12/t-62.html?m=1
>>64391232>Firstly, there are no german and specially no French tanks deployed in this war.Leopards are. And I'm not sure but I think some Leclercs got sent too
>>64391426>that guyFly high my zigga
>>64391426Close, but not it, I think the angle it was filmed under was almost the same but you can see the TOW/missile come in IIRC. Still this is a great example of it being a fucking deathtrap, they would have been better off charging directly at whatever they were engaging instead of sitting still like this.>>64391442You're still better off not loading shit in the front storage if you know you're going into some high intensity shit. The Turkish leopards got fucked as well because of conscript behavior and sitting out in the open. Honestly better to not risk it like that.>>64388480Still mad that this piece of shit is more survivable than a tank in Broken Arrow, devs are smoking crack if they think this fucking design will tank more hits than an apache.>Inferior sensor>Inferior weapons (took until these past years to even get a hellfire equivalent)>Borderline artisanal project>>64390357Top attack just rapes armor. Perhaps slapping ERA tiles on everything works, but active protection doesn't have the versatility to really stop it either.
>>64398869>A higher performance and penetration 100mm gun and rounds were right around the corner and out performed the T-62’s 115mm up to the current dayAs far as I know there are no domestic russian 100mm apfsds round that outperform 115mm apfsds.Only the Belgians or other western countries (maybe israel and some african countries like South africa?) produce or rather have built 100mm apfsds that outperform russian 115mm.>fucking awful shell ejection systemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjSniVMa8twKinda weird how there is NO middle eastern footage of the T-62 shell system ejection working. Have not seen any russian T-62 showing the shell ejection system working in Ukraine either.
>>64398869The initial T-64 had the 115 too, and the 100 is a dead caliber if you want to make cheap ammo and barrels that performs well against future threats. The 115 had a considerable advantage against armor, more than going from the 115 to the 125.All the problems related to the 115 started with making it a "bastard" caliber of the 125 and cancelling the T-62M (125mm of the 1960s) which forced it to remain in service with a 2nd tier tank after the 1970s.
>>64400018Look up who the devs are for Broken Arrow
>>64387850>T90M2
>>64400524New mobik cube carrier huh?Speaking of, how long until the cubes are being used as a source of food by the Russian population? How long before we see "mystery cube meat" stew and soup being served at soup kitchens?
>>64401097
>>64401097How long? Anon, it is already happening! (I have a CCTV video of russian soldiers buchering a comrade's coprse with axes from around 2023 in my totally moderate folder, but I can't find it right now...). https://x.com/United24media/status/1936004927291052296
>>64401153Haha, kek, that'- >>64402130 ...Holy fuck. I was only half serious.
>>64387850will it finally have arena? no?
>>64397016Armatard isnt real, schizo.
>>64391201My favorite is that T-55 VBIED getting blown up by an ATGM. Pretty sure the shockwave knocked down a few trees. I would've hated to be the Ukrainians in that trench like 100 meters away.
>>64391339It's between him and the Anne Frank avatarfag.
>>64402698Found it. Thanks, archive.
>>64388239>>64388444I assume the problem is that it only has a single reverse gear, and the solution is to add an external reverser so it has access to all of the forward gears in the other direction.
>>64402980>That second visible shockwaveHoly shit.
>>64399049Anon, we identify new Nork hulls on an almost monthly basis. May i i see a production tank hull made by Russia in you lifetime? Didn't think so.>>64398869Early DPRK T-62s did have thinner armor, however those have not been made for a very long time.>out performed the T-62’s 115mm up to the current dayWrong, that is only Russian made rounds. There are plenty of high performance 115mm rounds available, just not from Russia. A moot point since they too advantage of the fact that the T-62 was designed to be capable of using a 125mm gun so they put one on it.>It has less powerful enginesExcept they have 1500hp bootleg europacks now.>It has less visibilityProbably why they loaded up the new versions with new vision blocks and sensors.Pic related is a T-62 variant although it is no doubt the last one before it becomes something unique. It is called incremental improvement, google it.>>64400038That and Russia never bothered to do any real improvements to it's ammo designs, this can be seen by how several (NATO) nations offer modern 115mm that has good performance but Russia is still using Mangos. And as noted, you can just throw a 125mm on it which in theory should be better than the 125mm that Russia currently uses.
>>64387940carousel is not the problem, ammunition around it is.
>>64401097Pretty much
>>64387940You can't fix the carousel. You can just realize your crews will die or design a new tank with a different autoloader and ammo storage.
>>64388214They aren't. The T-90 is a post Soviet design. There are no tank graveyards full of them. Just incredibly slow Russian production.
>>64405608Of just throw out the autoloader entirely which vastly improve both theoretical performance of the gun due to being able to use one piece ammo and survivability if you went back to brass cases. That assumes your 125mm is even based on a 2A46, it has recently come to my attention that the Nork non-autoloading 125mm might not be based on a tank gun at all.
>>64406487>Of just throw out the autoloader entirely That was the only way they had to make a design according to the strict specification (mostly related to weight). They should had removed the autoloader in the 1980s-1990s when the weight restriction was considerably loosened.The T-62 had twice the RoF of the T-55 and it's still half compared to a T-64 that was in development in parallel.Their amphibious AFV have the same problem of being fundamentally gimped by a strict requirement during the original design.
>>64387850>Russia says they'll make 1100 new tanks between 2026 and 2028Calling it now. Less than 100 will see the light of day.
>>64406511Well it isn't the Cold War anymore and we know for a fact that you can put a non-auto loading 125mm into a T-62 based turret. >strict specification (mostly related to weight)Whatever 'last generation' of T-62 the DPRK is making isn't concerned with Soviet restrictions. If i had to guess the latest Nork tanks are ignoring that 'strict specification' and have significantly less ground pressure than a stock T-62 not to mention they have direct confirmation that they have over twice the HP. Fair to say they are probably pretty mobile. >>64406523I'd say it was more likely their 'new' tanks are refurbished T-62 hulls as part as an effort to make a Russian Songun with a bodykit to hide their origin. It is going to be funny as all hell watching Vaknik shills explaining why advanced Russian super tanks have seven road wheels, a fourth crewmember and left handed drivers positions.
>>64392713Mention MUST also go to this Hellraiser tier T-90 human inchworm of fleshrags and suffering.Flash-cooked.
>>64387850With new and improved turret tossing action?
>>64406655The only issue i see here is that it is obvious that it has substandard or non existent fire suppression systems and that the tank Commander (and thus his dead crew) was wearing flammable uniforms. It isn't a horrible tank design given what they have to work with in terms of human capital however i really think they should pay more attention to the crews.The idea of throwing out very high cost equipment with sub par operators makes no sense, you are wasting good (and expensive) equipment and good men for nothing of value.
>>64404619Neck yourself you fucking shill
>>64401097Should just start calling them Cubeniks at this point
>>64406708The absolute state of mouth foamers.
>>64402695>lololmao, i'm the super duper troll, i said armatard isn't realThat's nice, sweaty, now get back into the corner with the tards that play with their own shit.
>>64406708This is a 1500hp tank engine that the DPRK has been boasting about making lately. It is better than anything Russia makes and is NATO Standard, it has 5 reverse gears. Please show me a Russian tank hull or engine comparable to that was made in the last 30 years. I'll wait........Meanwhile in Pyongyang:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F39UP1mjAnc&list=RDF39UP1mjAnc&start_radio=1
>>64387940Guess what happens to western tankers when a dart penetrates the crew compartment.
>>64407146>Regurgitating horseshit from a starving shitholeLike previously stated ITT, neck yourself.
>>64407204>WESETERN TANKThere are many different western tanks. Correctly engineered tanks like the Abrams or Leclerc have the ammo in a separate area so it doesn't kill the crew if hit. Ziggers tongue my anus
>>64407318Your lack of appreciation of early 90s style has been noted, recorded and utterly rejected by the DPRK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIs5StN8J-0&list=RDEM8Nd_oQG2joh5y8BN6neaDw&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vth-T1u7A58&list=RDvth-T1u7A58&start_radio=1https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUjqYfyvynQ
>>64391321How do you know it's lazerpig?
>>64407438They don't. /k/ is full of so much paranoia, shills and partisan bickering that a mere mention of a tripfag or shill will derail the entire board for days. Even if it is a legitimate thread it will be derailed. I don't like it, however it is the way things are and anyone who says otherwise is a fool.
>>64407357You talk like an underraged incel faggot
^Lil shill should take his meds instead of spitting poison on a mongolian basket weaving forum.>pic unrel
>>64407486And you sound like a person who has been on this board for roughly 8 hours, like it was your hourly shift. Cry some more:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg3k6YkuxBM&list=RDIkp0nXKqf48&index=3
Friendly reminder: The troop numbers and armor ratios between Pyongyang and Vladivostok are roughly 5 million+/10K+ tanks in the DPRKs favor vs absolutely nothing.
>>64387917its just fucking hilarious that it took 50 years for them to realize that the fundamental design philosophy of the t-72, being a steel coffin that only goes forward, kind of bad
>>64407512If there was any logic in the universe Russia would buy the services of the Pyongyang Corps, the 105th and all it's supporting divisions.They could destroy any defensive line NATO has to offer, they will put a hole in any defensive line. They would also be obliterated, the Norks would get slaughtered but they would do their job, they would make the hole in the lines and hold it. And Russia would not be able to exploit it, support it or even mention what the Norks did for them. Russia has a ally that could do what Russia wishes it could do if the ally didn't think that Russia was retarded.
Fun fact: the KV-1S (1942) is still the soviet/russian tank with fastest reverse used by their army if you ignore the BMD-3/4 based "tanks".For Ukraine is the Oplot-M, for Poland and Czech republic the T-72s with an Europowerpack derivative.
>>64407638The DPRK displayed a copy of a MT883 1500hp engine for their latest tanks that has 5 forward and 5 reverse gears recently. They were offering it as a export product at a arms expo.>Late 2025: The DPRK has NATO equivalent Tank engines and Russia does not.Am i the only one noticing that this is weird? WTF is going on?
>>64407741I (kinda) consider that nork tanks diverged from soviet MBTs during the Chonma 216, even if their designs weren't too ambitious in general because of the limited budget. The lack of details is a problem but that engine (and transmission) was showed alongside both M2020/24 and M2025. Also previous tanks didn't care about conventional thinking related to MBTs with all the missiles and secondary guns.
>>64407760with the Chonma 216*They began to show their own 'armor philosophy' for modernizations and new designs, no simple copies of what Russia was doing (adding more Kontakt-5 bricks)
>>64407612Shut the fuck up you self replying faggot
>>64407760The seven road wheels are a pretty good indicator that they are doing something unexpected with the hull design. >>64407765They are clearly coming up with their own ideas about how to make tanks. Here is a thought i had the other day about the 125mm guns they are using; What if instead of using a 2A46 based gun they are just using cut down Spruts?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprut_anti-tank_gunIt would fit, it would explain the lack of a autoloader, the 4th crewman, it would let them use one piece ammo and almost any barrel loaded missile imaginable. It would physically be easier to adapt as a non auto loading 125mm gun. It would be better in almost every way than a 2A46.
>>64407819Hey (you) i don't know what your problem with me is but i'd like to know more about it, if i have said something to offend you please tell me what is was. I've noticed that (you) in particular seem to single me out, please tell my why i offend (you") so much. I tend to be a reasonable person, let us talk out your hostility.
>>64406695>The idea of throwing out very high cost equipment with sub par operators makes no sense, you are wasting good (and expensive) equipment and good men for nothing of value.The Jews make money and the goyim die. That's the whole point of this war.
>>64407882Here is another option: Have you tried not being a racist retard and going back to the morons on /pol/?
>>64391141The short asnwer is because the Su27 was so wildly successful that it overshadowed everything else.The reason why is pretty specific - after the Soviet Union collapsed there was no money for anything and pretty much all military industry other than the nuclear shit turned to export.They had MiG29 and Su27 variants to offer at the time. The problem here was that the majority of the costs ended up in the radar and weapons, and so the price difference between then was really not that much, while the difference in performance was enormous. The Su30 was just better.The MiG29 found its niche as a carrier aircraft (you will see many, many parallels between the MiG29 and the F18 if you look into it), except the only customer that had a carrier was India. And they had to develop a completely new version for that to work. Early versions of the MiG29 didn't even have FBW and the radar was basically just for fire control.And so as Sukhoi got the export money they got to reinvest into development while MiG was relegated to pitching modernized versions of the MiG29 that almost nobody wanted because they were too expensive. In other words, Sukhoi took over because MiG was told to design a cheap front line interceptor which by its very nature didn't scale well into the modern era and lacked upgrade potential.
>>64407871You're an obnoxious fucking dipshit on the same level as the Malaysian copypasta nigger shilling for a shit hole
>>64387940carousels dont make tanks explodehaving ammuniton be paper soaked in TNT instead of modern inert materials is the actual problemthe west used to have the same issue but then the US spent billions in R&D to overcome it and develop modern ammunition
>>64409371Or, you know... Have blast panels.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3La6u6lI8k
>>64409399it isnt enough to have blast panels when your ammunition is soaked in TNTyou need to have modern ammunition in tandem with blast panels to have the crew not get turned into paste
>>64409435No reason Russia can't do that. Again, as stated in this thread before. The Ukrainians developed bustle autoloader turrets for T55/T80/T72/T84 tanks. Hell fucking Peru of all contries managed to create a stable 125mm round to work with the turret. Absolutely zero reason Russia can't do this other than sheer incompetence. Ukraine also developed most of this after the Russians seized their main turret source and they had to develop a whole new supply chain.
>>64407871I think it's Armatard, because he got really angry and started yelling that Armatard doesn't exist when someone mentioned him.As to why Armatard would be mad at you?Probably because you are like the Bizarro world version of him. You have your obsession, but you are actually knowledgeable about it and are able to discuss it in a reasonable and civil way whilst also being open to critique of your ideas. You can also discuss other stuff and I find the times where you go an agricultural tangents to be really interesting, which also brings us on to the other difference in that you are actually able to talk about other things as well.Because of this, some Anons like me actually like you and don't mind it when you do you.I don't think anyone actually likes Armatard, we just suffer him.
>>64412627Self replying faggot
>>64412671Thank you for confirming Armatard, for your sake, I hope this ends better than the T-14 because I don't think you could survive another heartbreak.
>>64387898wartime rationing model
>>64412627>>64414920Are you that troll that tries to get back at the Armatard haters? Because you make 12 hours bumps in a dead thread and act kinda weird. Also fuck Armatard, i hope his life is as miserable as it appears.
>>64415015So like the butter its locked up in a cage and available on a high interest, short term loan?
>>64387850Awesome. Amazing tank, i love this board
>>64405023
>>64391473is this satire?
>>64387850This pre-supposes several things that simply aren't true. It posits that there will still be a Russia in 2026, which is not guaranteed. It posits that Russia has a functioning economy capable of new production, which it doesn't. It posits that Russia were still making new models of tank even though they have major shortages in every department of manufacturing, while they're not, and it posits that even assuming all of that were true, Russia is capable of designing, constructing, and fielding new war materiel without being the Soviet Union, which of course they're not.You can inhale the copium if you want Anon, but don't shill snownog news here. We all know you're lying, really more for your benefit than for ours. Russia is one step away from ceasing to exist as an independent polity, they don't have the time, the will or the ability to magic up new tanks in the middle of a losing war, and it would be stupid of them to try.As usual, OP is a faggot.
>>64418336>Pretending Anglos aren't the sole Protagonists of historyAmerican actually, but it sounds like you're a thirdie faggot so it doesn't really matter. Next time, try not being brown, life will be better for you that way.
>>64405023On the one fucking hand, let them all fucking fail, fuck the cancerous fucking degenerates who came to rape and steal and arrived to die and fertilize. On the other hand, let it hold, let it take the degenerates as far away from the land they vowed to rape as possible.
>>64418704>Everything I don't like is /pol/Nobody asked you what you think. If I want any lip from you I'll take it off my zipper. And don't (You) at me you mouthbreathing mongoloid.>Banned as hate speechNot in America. Not even on our Tibetan Sideways Goat-Tossing Forum.>Its really transparent how you thinkDon't really care what you think about what I think. Didn't ask. Fuck off, Paco.
>>64418704>zigger can't stop seethingKek
>>64418737How's Orenburg doing? Khazakstan said they received a request to stop all pumps supplying feed stock from their side of the border, that can't be good.
>>64418737How many refineries?
>>64418726Single-spaced lines aren't Reddit Spacing, faggot. Go look it up and get back to us. Also read up on the unofficial rules here.>Thou shalt not be brown>Thou shalt shiggy my diggy>Thou shalt fuck off when told>OP is a faggot and so are you
>please save us, orange manI see they dusted off their old playbook.
Retardation is a hell of a drug.>inb4 retards will misunderstand this post
>>64418737zelensky said TZD though. and i believe him.
Time to bring back the tank destroyers
>>64418763Oh yeah, the whole thing is pretty much on fire at the moment unless it died out in the last hour or so.
