Hybrid drive trains on tanks might have some utility for efficiency, but fully-electric MBTs sound like a gigantic liability from a field-serviceability, resupply (or charging in this case, I guess), and fuel/energy density perspective.

>>64389355
The big advantage of hybrid drive is acceleration and noise. Theoretically you could also have it wade in deep water.
>fully-electric MBTs
Battery energy density isn't there and possibly never will be.

>>64389355
>resupply (or charging in this case, I guess),
Is it? Portable solar panels are a thing. It easier to produce electricity from all kinds of sources than it is to try and refine petroleum in the field.

>>64389437
>He wants to charge a fucking tank with portable solar panels
>He thinks petroleum is being refined in the field
Anon...

>>64389437
You humongous mongoloid, search up the area of solar panels needed to charge a Tesla alone now multiply that by 10 and look at your comment again.

Hybrid drive is actually a good tech. It's definitely going to be integrated into other tanks. Fully electric is unfeasible.

>>64389173
Hybrid tanks? Seems like a concept worth looking into, dunno if it'll go anywhere any time soon.

>>64389437
Enough solar panels to charge a tank soonish seems like it could be a bit of an attention-grabber with all the recon drones flying around nowadays. Trying to hide them in a forest under some camo netting isn't exactly going to be great for their primary purpose. Though perhaps hybrid tanks hauling some panels along for a Hail Mary try if fuel delivers fail wouldn't be entirely pointless, or for use driving around behind the front without using up any of your diesel supply.

>>64389173
most implessive

>>64389474
I am a fucking Electrician. Its more a factor of time than space, but you think an armored brigade cant deploy a few hundred square meters of solar panels on the go? Do you even understand what a thousand men can do in terms of work in an hour.

Either way you can generate electricity from fucking anything if you want to. Its way easier than chemical refining.

>>64389484
Yeah you will be quite a visible target when deploying 400 square meters of solar panels to recharge your lead company of tanks. But the point was about logistics. And in the mountains you can recharge on break energy when going downhill.

>>64389507
>you can generate electricity from fucking anything
You can even do it with static electricity. If the Russians had electric engines in their tanks, they could charge them by hooking up generators to all the conscripts being raped. Friction being enough to generate some watts of power, and with enough pidor rape you can generate a couple kWh no problem.

>>64389507
>cant deploy a few hundred square meters of solar panels on the go?
>electrician who didn't finish school
Grim.

400 square meters of solar panels would recharge tank (Leopard 2 class) tank approximately within 36 hours of sunny hours.
To charge within 2 hours you need 7000 square meters of solar panels.
Didn't they teach you math and physics in school?

>>64389571
NTA. Your maths and premises are off. Try again and show working.

>>64389571
We havent even defined what a full battery charge would even be here. A Tesla has an 80kWh battery. You say 10x? So thats 800 kWh. Seems like insane overkill but ok. A modern solar panel has a WP of 250 per square meter. So 400m2 of solar gets you 100k Watts per second or 28kW per hour. Takes 28 hours to charge it to full.

But you dont need 100% to operate anyway, you always have far more down time than combat time, and 800 kWh is nuts anyway because electrical motors are way more efficient in energy transfer than ICE engines.

>>64389596
>800 kWh is nuts anyway because electrical motors are way more efficient in energy transfer than ICE engines.
This is totally irrelevant because battery energy density is significantly lower than fuel

>>64389596
And then we arent factoring in things like swappable battery packs, break recharging, etc. On slim logistical support, hybrid engine tanks simply would absolutely have more options to stay in the fight longer rather than be a mobility loss.

>>64389609
Absolutely. Even the best batteries are less compact than fuel of any kind. Fuel is however spent with no ability to recharge. So if you are Lt. Chang commading his tank in the Himalayas fighting the Indian hordes, while the USAF has just bombed your coastal refineries to dust, you at least have quite an array of options to keep your engine going.

ICE has its benefits, electrical has others. My argument here is that electrical has way more endurance and needs less of a logistical tail.

>>64389173
>TWO separate slop "sources" shat out of an Indian GPT prompt
Gross, don't you feel ashamed of yourself?
Anyway, the Type 100 has a hybrid transmission plus a significant battery pack. OMFV is going for the same. Historical footnote: US 1990s and 2000s future-concepts proposed all-battery-electric vehicles recharged by microwave power satellites.

how do you recharge these tanks in the field tho

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>>64389596
>So thats 800 kWh. Seems like insane overkill but ok.
Leo 2 spends 7 liters of diesel per km. Diesel is 40 MJ per liter, at 25% efficiency its 10 MJ at shaft per 1 km. let assume 150 km daily travel its 1500 MJ at shaft at 90% electric efficiency or 462 kWh for 150 km daily travel.

>A modern solar panel has a WP of 250 per square meter.
To the south of Kiev in daylight.

>>64389666
They're all hybrids. There is no BEV tank.

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>ITT retards don't know the think called powerbank.
The abso- nevermind.

>>64389680
Kiev? We are talking about Chinese tanks, there is a lot more sunlight hours in China. But this argument has now become you arguing that solar cant recharge a fully electric tank on the go sufficiently to feed it completely. Which yeah, probably not. Tanks arent exactly cars and field deploying energy generation isnt going to replace an entire logistical chain. But my argument is, hybrid tanks will certainly be able to last longer on less fuel than ICE. Because they even have the ability to do some passive recharging which ICE has none at all. And for scenarios where logistics are constrained, that has a good use of allowing you to deploy the logistical capacity you do have to things that are not fuel, as the tanks will have at least some ability to regenerate mobility. And that scale even better for IFVs, nevermind lighter fighting vehicles like MRAPs and such.

Now you could make the argument, devoting part of a mechanized brigade's transport capacity to solar panels is not worth that burden. But thats quite situational. I would argue that the self replenishing ability on a long enough time scale pays for itself.

>>64389596
>80kWh battery. You say 10x? So thats 800 kWh. Seems like insane overkill but ok.
80kWh would power an operational tank for very slightly more than an hour.
>So 400m2 of solar gets you 100k Watts per second or 28kW per hour. Takes 28 hours to charge it to full.
Put another way, 400m2 of solar means you have to charge for about 3-4 hours for every hour of combat operations. Since you can only charge by day, it means you're also practically restricted to having the option to operate half the time. Also, it means your tanks don't work at all if you have bad weather for a few days in a row, which has enormous exploitable operational implications for a commander. Finally, a tank regiment needs acres of solar farm, and solar farms don't work if you hide them, so you are hitching your whole operational concept to a gigantic, unhideable and indefensible piece of only slowly redeployable equipment.

To give you perspective, tanks and their support infrastructure are so vulnerable and it's such a big deal taking them offline for replen that the process gets practiced until a tank platoon can complete a full replen in less than 20 minutes, and it's basically the full time job of multiple staff officers to make sure the entire thing happens completely seamlessly, quickly and predictably for a whole brigade. A solar powered armored brigade would be utterly useless for any of the tactical tasks or operational concepts that armored forces are actually useful and kept around for.
>But you dont need 100% to operate anyway, you always have far more down time than combat time
You don't. Armored warfare is about having periods of incredibly high tempo that get sustained as long as they can. The fact that those periods are months apart doesn't help you charge batteries more to then prosecute a breakthrough and exploitation for a few weeks in the same way a commander stockpiles fuel forwards to do the same thing.

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>>64389701
would 50 of these be enough as a backup?

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>>64389734
Are you pretending to be retarded (during your lifetime)?
Ok, I'll show you an example, /k/retin safe and containerized.
3.8 MWh per container. 2 MW of power output (and high power isn't a priority).

>>64389723
Again the assumption here is to say the tank is somehow full EV and not a hybrid. The recharge ability simply adds to their range, not detracts, and means they can demand less fuel. Every mile driven on electrical is less fuel needed. No one so far has suggested that what we need to do is run full electrical tanks.

Nor is that what the chink tank in OP is about.

>>64389173
>China Observer
>Global Firepower
Need I say more?

>>64389746
>Every mile driven on electrical is less fuel needed. No one so far has suggested that what we need to do is run full electrical tanks.
That only makes the proposition even worse somehow. How many tonnes of space will you devote to your second energy system? Will you trade it off in protection, mobility or firepower? Since you will bring fuel trucks as well, you now need to do combat replens when you are operational with less assets, and you somehow also need to distribute your solar farms and charging stations widely enough for forces to be able to use them and realise the efficiency gains you want.

Your ideas are hopelessly complex to actually implement, offer no real advantages that are practically useful to an armored formation and come with staggering downsides. I don't often tell people to just stfu unless they get firsthand experience in a topic, but this is really one where I think your ability to reason about this will not be useful at all unless you go and spend some time practicing armored warfare so that you understand what its goals and constraints are, and how hard it is to actually coordinate doing it well enough to be useful.

>>64389507
>But the point was about logistics
The thing about wartime logistics is that you have to factor in the possibility of shit getting blown up, and that you probably don't want your logistics to draw undue attention to the immediate vicinity of your combat elements. Plus, hauling around a huge pile of solar panels isn't exactly a logistical non-issue either.

>And in the mountains you can recharge on break energy when going downhill.
Only after you expended even more energy to go uphill in the first place. You're not getting a single joule for free, you simply don't take the same mileage hit from going up and down a lot as a purely combustion-engine vehicle does.

>>64389713
>But my argument is, hybrid tanks will certainly be able to last longer on less fuel than ICE.
Of course. Hybrids are more fuel efficient. Vehicle needs massively oversized engine for good acceleration, but this engine its too throttled down and low efficient at cruise power (max efficiency is at about 80% throttle). Hybrids can have engine better sized (smaller) for cruise power but still have excellent acceleration from buffer battery.

Also hybrid vehicles can have plenty of instant silent electric power from battery to fuel ever growing demands of electronics and active defenses (lasers and shit) without ruining engine at stop. This electricity demand alone steers AFVs into hybrids today.

a series hybrid like a train makes a lot of sense. every road wheel could be a drive unit, so there could be limited even if the tracks get blown off.

Its not real. If it were real, would an all-electric tank get picked up on thermals?

>>64389786
>every road wheel could be a drive unit
Not really. High performance electric motors are fragile and need water cooling you dont put them into tank roadhwheels.

>>64389743
>tesla's battery was beaten by a random chinese battery
wow embarrassing

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>>64389173
Its gonna burn like crazy and overheat

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>>64389507
>few hundred square meters of solar panels on the go?

>>64389820
Chinks have complete vertical integration of electrical components. Batteries, transformers, relays. Doesnt matter, they make the vast majority of them, and they have huge process knowledge. Guy I know was just in Shenzen at a huawei location to make a deal for importing batteries. They are way ahead of US/Europe on that shit. Its why their electrical cars are better.

Seeing that shit is why I dont understand why the US chest thumpers think they will win a war against the chinks with no effort. Yeah they will probably win. But I think they'll still find it harder than they would like. Chinks arent in remotely as backward a state like Iraq was compared to the US in 2003.

>>64389830
The Romans carried stakes to deploy mobile forts. 2000 years ago. Despite them certainly not building a fort every night. You realize any army stops and rests. In fact, they are immobile far more time than they are maneuvering overall.

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>>64389845
and i don't care

>>64389746
>>64389773
Maybe practice isn't essential and you could get a grip of it with enough of the right reading, but it would be very hard to gut check things or know if you were reading the right kinds of things or the wrong ones. This is a surprisingly candid piece about the actual challenges in armored sustainment right now that might be a decent launching point to think about how the whole thing works, but unfortunately it doesn't mention the manouevre imperatives that dictate the log shape at all.

https://www.army.mil/article/261646/sustainment_2030_new_armor_division_plan_impacts_sustainment_force_structure

>>64389507
You think a few hundred square meters of solar will do anything worthwhile for an entire brigade? 100 m^2 is like 50 kW under optimal conditions. A single tank can draw nearly 1000 kW while maneuvering, and a brigade can have up to 100 tanks. At best solar can help to offset the amount of diesel needed to be shipped in for generators, but that number of solar panels would require a large number of trucks just to transport them, which need fuel to operate.

Why doesn't it make sense to make a tank with a diesel-electric powertrain?

West taiwan has to help its failing battery companies out.

>>64389523
Oh, that's the new copium for all the lost refineries?

>>64389173
A worthy innovation for a worthy shellful country

>setting off a lithium battery that large
Oh fuck let this happen.

Aren't chemical weapons against the Geneva convention

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Why do changs have to come here and constantly try to convince us to take them seriously? Like, there aren't Americans who learn chinese and go to chinese forums and spam "please respect us" threads on a daily basis.

The psychology of their behavior is really quite interesting.

>>64390788
You've seen a turret toss, now behold... the Bustle Broiler

>>64389482
>Hybrid drive is actually a good tech
Its not. Its use case is very, very niche. The only value for an MBT would be the ability to run all your systems for an extended period of time without generating a shitload of heat but you could do that by simply improving your onboard batteries and you wouldnt ever really be using that ability to due to drones making it to risky to sit on overwatch for a long ass time.

>>64389596
If a system charges 100 kW for one hour, it will have charged 100 kWh.

Diesel has a heat value of 10,2 kWh per liter, tons of energy, easy to use. While I dislike the overuse of fossil fuels, it's not realistic to have solar charged EV battle tanks

>>64390842
>implying americans are capable of learning a second language
Big if true!

>>64389173
BET - Battery Electric Tank - how fitting
>Batteries - are burning bright
>and they - one fiery ride
>Locked - in an armored deep frier
>I started feeling that lithium fire

>I fell for that BET on fire
>I slipped down my hatch and the flames went higher
>And it burns, burns, burns
>That BET on fire, chink BET on fire, chink BET on fire

>>64389431
>Battery energy density isn't there and possibly never will be.
What about hydrogen or ammonia?

>>64391043
Hydrogen is basically the only way to get worse energy density than batteries.

>>64391054
Not if you go by mass.

>>64391061
It's still awful by mass because you need an enormous pressure vessel to hold any useful amount on it, and then you'll need to armor all of that extra volume.

>>64389173
Based. I hope it locks all the hatches like a Tesla when the battery ruptures.

>>64389713
>there is a lot more sunlight hours in China
Not as much as you think because pollution causes a lot of overcast days.

I lived in north China in a city considered nice by Chinese pollution standards and we had solar hot water.
I had a *lot* of cold showers because it couldn't heat up enough through the day. Usually because of pollution blown in from Hebei which was a whole province away.

There's also regular dust storms in the north which will cause the same kinds of issues as it did on Mars, albeit easier to clean off the panels afterwards.

Then there's the snow which you still get as far south as Wuhan.

The rural areas where battles are more likely to occur wouldn't be as bad though, there is that at least.

>>64390842
>there aren't Americans who learn chinese and go to chinese forums and spam "please respect us" threads on a daily basis.
That's not exactly true.

You effectively have an entire industry that does just that.
That's what is meant by cultural imperialism.

What you see as Chink shilling is a kind of push-back on how all foreign media portrays them as backwards, corrupt and primitive, so they want to respond in kind and this is how.

The reason why is that nobody is going to go to cinemas to watch Wolf Warrior III, nobody (except analysts) is buying or reading "Introduction to Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era"[1] in the west and western children don't buy Tiananmen Tank toys (now with crushed protestor accessories) to play with in the school yard.

Nobody likes to feel like shit and everyone wants to clap back when criticised so this is what happens.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_Xi_Jinping_Thought_on_Socialism_with_Chinese_Characteristics_for_a_New_Era

>>64389173
>engine version of T-Series SovShit autoloader cooking off

Fine when everything you make is disposable, I guess.

>>64391043
>What about hydrogen or ammonia?
Ammonia doesn't sound like fun to store but hydrogen has a bunch of issues, it's very hard to make a container that can hold hydrogen without leaking.
Hydrogen is literally the smallest atom and H2 is the smallest gas molecule at approximately 74pm, it can slip through things that no other compound can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_safety

>>64389507
>but you think an armored brigade cant deploy a few hundred square meters of solar panels
OK. But where will the electricity for the other approximately 250 AFVs in the brigade come from?

The chink shills on x presented it as quiet tank for IR and sound stealth.

>>64391108
They should stop trying so hard. People in the west genuinely enjoy recent Chinese video games like Wukong or Wuchang or Genshin Impact. People also enjoyed their movies around the turn of the century. They should stop trying to be yellow Americans and just be themselves.
>all foreign media portrays them as backwards, corrupt and primitive
I don't remember the last time an western movie did this. Chink companies are involved in almost every major studio these days. Hell, during the mid 2010s sucking Chinese dick and depicting them as hyper competent was the norm in western movies.

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>>64389173
>>electric drive tonk onnaexercise
>repeated jostling from hilly rocky bumps cracks the """ruggedized""" casing made from recycled beach toy plastic
>battery bulge develops
>no one checks because
>Communism
>Competency
>pick one lmao
>eventually goes hot in the motor pool while on the charger and takes out two other vehicles + a small substructure with it in the fire
>>electric drive tonk innawar
>ENGINE HIT
>Rice Cooker Deluxe
>half the crew dies from what should have been a survivable hit because the automatic hatches clamp shut on power loss
>>electric drive tonk innarain
>ambient humidity gets to an exposed section of wire (poor crimping/wire management)
>ZZT
>the weather claims its first non-mud-related mobility kill on a tank
>>electric drive tonk innafield
>run out of juice during a push, need to recharge
>have to wait for janky battery bank logistics vehicle (also electric)
>one finally gets to tonk
>they have to wait four hours for a half-charge while the obsolete and inferior diesel models cover them, engines running, no problems
I'm beginning to sense a pattern.

>>64391157
>Chink companies are involved in almost every major studio these days. Hell, during the mid 2010s sucking Chinese dick and depicting them as hyper competent was the norm in western movies.
Yeah that's true but it's not like we don't call them totalitarian also.
And that's without Covid-era stuff too.

Of course much of this criticism is true but that's not the point, it's unpleasant for the Chinese. Especially because they can't do much about the facts, so pushing back on the criticism is easier and also the natural response of face-saving peoples.
US do it too obviously, if non-burgers point out something fucked up about their country, there's an instant attack by them on all sorts of grounds, usually spurious.

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>>64389173
>not even Chinks want to buy EVs any more
>suddenly an electric tank appears
Gotta keep the lithium battery production alive somehow. These tanks will never see service anywhere outside parade grounds.

>>64391166
Xi did irreparabler damage to China's image with his Hong Kong take over. It was basically all downhill from there and Covid made it only worse.

>>64391172
more than twice the amount Tesla sells btw

>>64391181
>Xi did irreparabler damage to China's image with his Hong Kong take over
It was way before that if you were paying attention but I grant you that Hong Kong got quite a bit of play in western media and that probably had an uptick if foreign-oriented propaganda.

>>64390719
simple answer - complexity, use of materials, logistics and existing infrastructure etc

>>64390788
It already has.
A ZTZ-100 has already exploded due to the battery, exploding.

>>64391188
grim, since tesla is shit vehicle that sells horribly

>>64391233
well yeah, it's american

>>64391172
imagine unironically buying a chinese vehicle

>>64389173
Insane level of retardation, i honestly expected it from euros first

>>64391264
>imagine unironically buying a chinese vehicle
Because of spyware in the electronics, right?

Because if it's about quality then you're acting on decades old beliefs, not facts.
Their EV vehicles are very good.

I used take EV taxis in Shenzhen regularly, they were by far the best taxis around and the cars themselves are awesome.
I took a self-driving electric taxi in Wuhan and it was pretty good too, though it only worked in a few dozen suburbs on one side of the city.

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>>64389596
I asked ChatGPT based on fully fuelled M1. Any obvious mistakes? It reckons 5000kWh taking into consideration electric power efficiency. The area calculated is to charge it in 6 hours at different latitudes.
It didn't consider the weight of such a battery.
Obviously if you built a fully electric tank you'd probably cut its range significantly to use a smaller battery.

>>64390842
They've got massive inferiority complexes and really want to be like America.

>>64391162
Unrealistic projection. The domestic battery market is 100% chinese made and does not have these kind of safety issues. If anything, they constantly advertise the safety features. There are sensors all over, overpressure releases, extinguishers etc. Cant sell it in the EU if it doesnt pass CE certification to begin with. And if you are making it to that standard, you use the same at home. Bad efficiency otherwise.

>>64389173
So how spontaneously flammable is it?

>>64391412
>The domestic battery market is 100% chinese made and does not have these kind of safety issues
China has had more than a few apartment buildings fires from scooter batteries.
I accept that EV batteries are going to be higher quality though.

>>64391478
I am talking about the kind of batteries you put in your house so you can go off grid. They are quite the hype in northern Europe now.They have to be pretty safe because one bad house fire might well kill the market.

Its a response to the residential solar craze of the past few years.

>>64389173
>china says
>trump says
>putin says
>lavrov says
>peskov says
into the trash it goes

>>64389173
Did they steal Ferdinand Porche and use necromancy to learn his secrets? Because without magic or a beta-voltic cell this seems impossible.

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>>64389173
Vely impleassive. Very ching khu lung

>>64391412
>unrealistic projection
Fuck yourself. Reckon Chinese QC and warfighting ability, and put that into an MBT. Now give that MBT all the issues of an electric vehicle built by China. It's a shitheap. Autistic technical specification spreadsheet masturbation is fucking nothing. China isn't fucking using an electric goddamn tank. It's retarded,and you're retarded for believing it to be anything but a nothingburger.

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>>64389437
>refine petroleum in the field.
Hahaha how about this for a dogshit argument. No one is refining petroleum in the field you read herring faggot

As for solar panels in the field. Yea bro just pack your 2000mw solar panels in your tank or drive to your nearest charging station. Maybe they can airdrop fucking charged batteries from space. God renewable energy faggots are insufferable, it's mostly all magically thinking.

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>>64389507
>in the mountains you can recharge on break energy
>in the mountains
>break energy
>recharge your MBT in the mountains with break energy
LAMO. 10/10, would rage again.

>>64391559
>No one is refining petroleum in the field you read herring faggot
You missed anon's point.

When logistics are cut or strained, solar remains available, petroleum does not.

In addition to jumping to conclusions about points you didn't understand, you're also making a false equivalence.
This isn't an electric tank, it's a hybrid tank.
The solar is a backup to petroleum, not a replacement. Or the petroleum is a backup to the electric, whichever.

A solar/hybrid vehicle and its crew can limp home on a panel and MREs, a diesel vehicle is stuck until resupply comes.

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>>64389523
>You can even do it with static electricity.
These posts are gold. I think I might have actually pissed my pants. God bless you jeeto.

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>>64391573
>You missed anon's point
The only thing you missed was an education, your ignorance exceeds your knowledge and your deep in Dunning Krueger territory with lots of confidence, zero fucking idea and your running low on batteries. Your retarded posts amuse me beyond belief, please continue.

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>>64391283
>Their EV vehicles are very good.
no i totally believe you anon, that's why chinese knockoffs of, say, mazdas, are like 50% cheaper - because they're made to the same standard, but somehow cost only half of that other original car. But the quality is the same. But they're cheaper. But not worse.
i also totally believe chinese EV vehicles are very good after watching all those videos with chinese scooters bursting in flames.
>I used take EV taxis in Shenzhen regularly
ooooooh, okay. now it all makes sense

>>64391608
>chinese knockoffs of, say, mazdas, are like 50% cheaper - because they're made to the same standard, but somehow cost only half of that other original car
The cost of a high-end western car is not in the quality of it.
It's in a million other things including wages and real-estate but shareholder returns and executive salaries (and options and embezzling) are right up there.

A lot of Chinese mid-tier and even top-tier EV companies are private companies, they can focus on growth and global competitiveness because the family owning them is happy to build a dynasty rather than get short-term profits before dumping stock and moving into some other company.
And lots of other reasons but private companies have better tolerance for investment/research/market-share>profit and are also happy to keep the company running rather than shoot the moon or run it into the ground for short-term profits.

And there's loads of other reasons why Chinese companies run cheaply but in this case, regulatory compliance isn't one of them, except that the wages of all the staff involved are a pittance in China so there's that too. The reason why regulatory compliance AKA build quality isn't an issue here is that China doesn't want their EV market to be a firestorm and has actual regulations but also they want to export to the rest of the world so again, regulatory compliance is necessary.

Chinese EVs are way more common in Eurasia than you know and they're not setting cities on fire there.

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>>64389173
Hybrid tanks are a pretty smart idea
pros
>much lower thermal and acoustic signature
>save on fuel (especially when idling/scanning)
>simpler transmission (the reason why Porsche Tiger/Ferdinand was hybrid)
cons
>trade 1 complexity (gearbox/transmission) for another complexity (dual powertrain)
>extra weight (depends on battery size and expected mode of use)
>your uncle said it's woke

>inb4 battery pack is a fire hazard
>implying two tons of jet fuel and a ton of ammo isn't a fire hazard

>>64391608
>I watched cherrypicked videos for propaganda slop clickbait so I know what I'm saying!!1
>what do you mean per capita?!
Tip: BEVs burn at about 5% the rate of ICEs.

>>64391627
Private companies don't exist in China.

>>64391678
What a bullshit statistic seeing that we have EVs in the west that burn a lot more easily than EVs and way more aggressively

>>64391766
You sound black.

>>64389173
I'm guessing this is for domestic use only? Because it sounds like a tank that's better for crushing protestors and criminals than actual invasions. Well in the end it's a gimmick like the Abram's-X.

>>64391764
>Private companies don't exist in China.
gb2/pol/
China has been capitalist for decades.

Most of the Chinese economy is private companies, state-owned enterprises exist but are way less common.
Publicly traded companies exist but aren't as dominant in China as in the west.

If you mean that the CCP can dictate behaviour to companies then sure but that's just because freedom doesn't exist in China.
Private companies exist, they're just as oppressed as citizens are. I.E. they can do whatever they want so long as it doesn't threaten the CCP and they do what they're told when ordered to.

>>64391627
>he thinks china doesn't have fucktons of corporate and government bloat
It's just as bad if not worse, especially for larger chinese companies that can manufacture and export something as complex and high-investment as an automobile. Chinese wages are also now considerably higher than other third world manufacturing hubs.

You're deluding yourself if you think chinese cheapness isn't coming at a huge cost in quality.

>>64391898
Every chinese company that gets above a certain size REQUIRES an official CCP office and that office oversees everything the company does, from internal behavior to foreign marketing to forcing what goes in their software packages.

There is no freedom from the government in China.

>>64391936
Similar to that but far more draconian and controlling yes. NTA btw

>>64391913
>You're deluding yourself if you think chinese cheapness isn't coming at a huge cost in quality.

ok, but it isnt you insufferable fuck and that objectively obvious in their EV sector

>>64391976
You mean the EV sector that has such egregious safety problems that a chink auto manufacturer just revealed a system to auto-eject your EV battery when it starts to catch fire? That EV sector?

>>64389437
>just have the tank carry an acre of solar panels
>still takes hours to charge
>let’s hope the sun doesn’t set
>and if the panels are laying flat they will have 50% inches efficiency max

Wonder how many west taiwan hybrid tanks will explode before they quietly get rid of them.

Alright guys, hear me out.... Really, really, reaaaaally long extension cords.

>>64391986
>a chink auto manufacturer just revealed a system to auto-eject your EV battery when it starts to catch fire?

LMAO
>Chink car will eject murder-battery
>American EV will child-lock the doors+windows and consume you in a conflagration of lithium fire and death
and his is a "feature" of the American car for you...?

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>>64391998
only true bugman has the audacity to call this a safety feature
7 burning EV per day btw

Ferdinand Porche vindicated
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lohner%E2%80%93Porsche

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>>64389437
Easy there Sienar.

>>64392039
Ah, the Pedestrian Anihillator 9000. My favorite.

>>64392039
>be cyclist
>chilling on my way to work
>5 ton ev rolls up next to me at stop light
>explosively launches it's 1 ton battery into my ankles
>lights me on fire afterwards

how the fuck do you even counter this

>>64392039
>7 burning EV per day btw
Interesting, what's the scope of that statistic?
And it's source for that matter?

>>64392039
>only true bugman has the audacity to call this a safety feature
Seems a bit forceful but it certainly gets the battery clear of the car.

How do Teslas deal with this situation btw?

>>64392085
>be cyclist
You deserve it.

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>>64392116
>chink shill can't read chinese
typical. release the latest data chang
>>64392118
>open the door
>get out
>let them burn
>get fully reimbursed
>0 pedestrian killed

>>64389853
>You realize any army stops and rests.

Not during the day why in an active operation in field and having to deploy a several hundred square meter target that can't be covered or obscured from the air in any way

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>>64392118
>How do Teslas deal with this situation btw?
it locks the doors and windows, and you burn to death and die horribly in a lithium conflagration

https://nypost.com/2025/09/16/business/tesla-facing-probe-over-defective-door-handles-on-popular-model-y-cars/

https://nypost.com/2025/09/19/world-news/tesla-driver-and-two-kids-burned-alive-because-rescuers-cant-open-electronic-doors-reports/

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>>64391188
That's not a high bar

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>>64389173
>Electric Tank Shocks

>>64391573
If the point is that it's hybrid the point about petroleum is even more retarded because you still need all the same logistics for petroleum fuel in addition to the logistics for recharging batteries. It's increasing the complexity and vulnerability of the logistical support for the tank for no clear gain.

>>64392171
>responds to aggregate data with a single case

Your desperation just shows you for the shill you are. Chinese evs could be blowing up whole city blocks and you'd still argue they're better.

>>64392171
>a single death that can be avoided with a glass breaker
definitely skill issue but not 7 burning EV per-day issue

>>64392204
>If it happened once it will not happen again! The "family incinerator" totally doesn't have a design problem
I accept your concession

>>64392212
>>64392171
it's not like there aren't cases of these things happening in petrol cars, faggot

I know of one which happened at my local petrol station, less than a mile away. the station attendant was very traumatised.

>>64392223
So, the chink-battery-blaster >>64392039
is better than a tesla and the "good" ol ICE
Implessive.

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>>64392212
>tempered glass is a design problem
UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY

>>64392232
firstly, that's an illogical conclusion; secondly, current chink petrol cars are in general not as reliable as contemporaries*; so thirdly, I reserve judgement on both Teslas and chink EVs until a clear winner emerges

*China sells a lot of basically knock-down assembly kits for their many domestic car companies. there have been numerous complaints about maintenance and short parts lifespans. the good ol Mig29 problem all over again.

>>64392245
It's time to time travel John Titor, because right now that will not de-incinerate that family.

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>>64392271
a germoid retardation in addressing an emergency is not a design failure chang, are you retarded? then again you shill for chink despite not being chinese so you must be profoundly retarded
>>64392264
even indog has burning BYD problem. maybe it's limited to non turdie countries, who knows

Has xinne the pooh died yet?

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>>64392320
>you're doing it wrong! everyone should risk their lives to rescue unconscious people from inside a burning car!
>btw we have nothing to put out a battery fire so will watch and INHALE the fumes *INHALES*

>>64392039
this fucking rules

>Everyone arguing over batteries
>It's a hybrid tank that is fueled with Diesel
lmao what are you retards doing

>>64392392
Unless the west taiwan diesel engine is a complete failure there is not much to say.

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>>64392385
>nooo i have couple of minute until the fume start to knock me unconcious
>let's do nothing and pray GLORIOUS XI will save us
unironic sheepie
>>64392392
fuck if i know

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>>64389355
>>64389431
This.

I'm pretty excited about turbine electric hybrids but the tech isn't competitive with diesel yet.
>>64389437
>Laughs in turbine.

>>64392418
wasn't trying to diss you eru nigga
>>64392423
>muh hollywood
oh it's an ivan

>>64391936
>>64391989
You people are a joke and I pray every day that the war starts for real.

>>64389173
Electric hybrid definitely makes a lot of sense. Electric offers enormous torque, reliability, and the design freedom it affords opens up a lot of interesting options. All electric doesn't make sense though under any current non-fictional paradigm.
>>64389431
>Battery energy density isn't there and possibly never will be.
FWIW, theoretical physical limits on energy density for lithium-air is about the same as gasoline, and since electric motors can easily hit 3-8 times the energy efficiency (storage -> wheel) of ICE they don't actually have to get all the way there. So it's not like it'd be against the laws of physics, it doesn't require rare metals or the like either, so I certainly wouldn't bet massive amounts against humanity someday getting to the point where an electric has more range. But that's a long ways from where we are now and there'd be other tradeoffs in a military use scenario (charging that sort of density fast enough is a whole separate challenge, so is how sensitive it is under use, etc).

And it's not clear it really matters either, not even geopolitically, because there's a lot of good research and industrial test work done on direct atmospheric co2/h20 -> hydrocarbon mass production. In a world of enormous amounts of free energy (mass wind and photovoltaics everywhere with times of huge over production you want to sink into useful industry) just producing your own synthetic JP8 or whatever you want to use in well protect factories in the middle of your country probably makes more sense anyway.

I'm an absolute moran and know that there isn't an energy source superior to gas when it comes to war. Nothing beats it now and in the future. What the fuck is wrong with all of you? Bless your mothers, I hope you all cure cancer.

>>64392647
Only thirdies use gasoline, first world militaries run on diesel or kerosene.

>>64392664
>not using JP-10 for everything

>>64392207
You don't even need a glass breaker, Teslas all have mechanical emergency latch releases. I'm not going to defend having to remove interior panels to open your car door if the battery doesn't work, but if you're going to do some stupid shit like buy a Tesla, you should at least read the safety notices that show you how to open the doors.

>>64392673
JP-8 is the way.

>>64392677
On some of the models for the passengers this is bullshit anon. Like sure, technically it exists, but it's well hidden and there is no way the person sitting in the back seat is going to find it in a panic as the car fills with smoke after it drives itself into a cement mixer or whatever it is this week. Can't think of any other mass produced cars requires you to fully brief and do emergency egress training for anyone you're giving a ride lol. It's just a shitty form over function design.

>>64392433
it was helmettard, as usual
quite amusing to see his bullshit wiped out across multiple threads in one fell swoop

>>64391627
>no dude eu companies are all corrupt, china only has traditional chinese family values corporations and everyone's a family there
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>64391936
>it doesn't happen
>yes it does
>ok it does but others do it too
like pottery

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>>64392752
>wiped
Just 2 posts deleted, no warning for now, and I don't care. The mild consequences can be related to having old cookies...

That aside it's funny to see the delusion related to diesel electric hybrid tanks when it's a topic that has serious discussion from the technical PoV but you can't see here given the flood of retardation. Thinking electric/diesel electric didn't improve since the Char 2B or Porche Tiger is comical. Especially when people wastes time with APUs because it's impossible to design a simple turbodiesel/gas turbine efficient at idling.

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>>64391627
>there's loads of other reasons why Chinese companies run cheaply but in this case, regulatory compliance isn't one of them

>>64389173
Makes sense. Hybrids are GOATed.

>>64392085
LRN2 Dark Souls 2 faggot.

1) there is always an enemy, especially when you least expect
2) you will get blindsided
3) watch for startup frames like a hawk
4) unfairness is a feature not a bug
5) abuse i-frames like a motherfucker

>>64389596
>Seems like insane overkill but ok
If anything that's massive underkill since the tank has more than 10 times the weight of a tesla (certainly after adding the battery pack) and tracks loose way the fuck more energy to friction than wheels on a nice smooth asphalt surface.
You're going nowhere with 800kWh.

Now I could see some kind of solar roll that can be deployed quickly and recharge even a stupid sized battery pack in half a day, but having your armored brigade stalled because of clouds seems suboptimal.

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>>64392039
Not my problem.

>>64392118
You burn with your car.
Like a man.

>>64392085
>be chink in chink car
>road is congested
>fucking cyclist tries to pass me on the right
>not today
>eject the front battery
>run him over to make sure there's no lawsuite
>reverse over him just to be save
>drive car into a ditch with the last scraps of power of the second battery
>buy a new one for 200$

>>64393170
So we add windmills. Maybe a mobile biofuel plant that we can burn wood in to generate electricity.

I get making a hybrid if you want to increase the Tank's range but I don't think you should make a full electric tank.

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>>64392085
Deterrence.

>>64393945
Just add a sail.
>lots of real estate for solar
>use the wind for propulsion
>absolutely fucking drippin

>>64389437
1 liter of diesel fuel has an energy density of about 38.6 MJ, that's 10.722 kWh. A Leopard 2A4 tank has a fuel capacity of 1160 liters. That's 12437.52 kWh.
The average solar panel output for a typical 350W solar panel is around 265 kWh of electricity each year. So with one typical solar panel you only need to wait about 47 years to fully recharge a Leo2 (not counting discharge losses). Or 47 panels to recharge it in one year.
That's about 2-3 typical rooftop solar panel setups.

>>64389173
And you thought turret-tossing was good, simple fun.

>>64396957
I think in typical usage, it's probably burning diesel to produce electricity to turn the drive sprockets.
Being able to put some panels out on the hull might let you limp home in short spurts though.

an entire thread of burgeroids seething over chinese having enough spare capacity to have some fun and experiment

>>64392724
You would have a point if it was only passengers unfamiliar with the vehicle burning to death, but in practically all cases, the owner of the vehicle is present and conscious. Once again, I'm not shilling for Tesla, these vehicles shouldn't be on the road, but if you buy a deathtrap EV and throw away the safety warnings without reading them, I don't have a whole lot of sympathy.

>>64389173
It's prolly for use when idling or creeping. It reduces the IR signature and noise while conserving fuel. The batteries can also run the electronics with the engines shut down. If they rig it like in warships, the electric engine can act as a "turbo boost" to the ICE when needed.

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>>64398833
You are half a decade late chink, as usual. >>64392399

>>64399063
>a mock up
And a ppt is the same as a program testing prototypes soon to be in service. LMAO

>>64399083
>soon to be in service
Lmao go back to WT forum you chink

>>64390854
100% torque at 0rpm though

>>64392039
>prevent an EV fire
>burn down an entire apartment building instead
God this would be so fucking funny.

>>64399118
Not actually true, look up how electric motor torque curves work.

>>64399154
Would work fine on a highway though.
Well, possibly cause a wildfire but a burning car runs that risk anyway.

>>64396957
>350W solar panel
Way bhind the times grandpa. We typically install 460WP now.

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>>64389173
it's diesel electric drivetrain like every new excavator/dozer/forklift whatever uses.
soviets made diesel electric dozers even back in the late 80's.

>>64399737
>car burning on a highway
>causes a forest fire
do what? highways aren't built like that

>>64399943
>>64399943
>>car burning on a highway
>>causes a forest fire

The car isn't burning on the highway because you ejected your battery off the road.
Your car is fine, whatever is alongside the road, not so much.

That probably isn't a forest initially, it will be grass but I didn't say forest fire, I said wildfire.
Do you have poor reading comprehension or are you deliberately misquoting me to make some point you can't make with honest quotations?

>>64399987
>Do you have poor reading comprehension
you don't end up on 4ch bcause you're smart and well educated so stop projecting

>>64399987
>whatever is alongside the road, not so much.
maybe in dumbfuckingstan, cause every highway i ever drove on where i live has like a 10+ meter buffter between the edge of the road and whatever is next to it

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>>64400070
I think highways like this are pretty common around the world.
There's an effort to maintain the verge but it's not going to be free of fuel.
You're just being needlessly contrary.

>>64400130
>a single lane each way
>no barriers
>no emergency shoulder
>no standoff distances
>no distance markings
>etc etc
that's only a highway within the US anon

>>64400158
I've driven on long distance highways like that on four continents.
Stop being a contrarian anon, it's not clever.

>>64400179
all right anon, i'll agree to disagree

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>>64392039
This will be useful for when an insurance scammer lies down in front of your car, you just drive up next to them and give them the broadside treatment with a burning lithium battery (and the dash cam catches everything so you don't go to jail)

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>>64392690
Polish tanks run exclusively on JP-II