How could a non-American military launch Tomahawks? Purely hypothetically speaking, of course.
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>>64389751typhonsubmarineVLS
>>64389765Let's say that this hypothetical country doesn't have a navy. Would the DoD give this hypothetical country Typhons?
The Argentinians managed to improvise a shore-based box launcher for an exocet and successfully hit something with it in the Falklands, you can damn well bet that Ukraine can manage something similar, especially with western technical support.
>>64389751launchers welded to truckslauncher welded to steam punk dirigiblesbig sling shotbigger trebuchet dropped from 10 drones tied togethercovered in leaves to use as a mineput on a 60s cold war cargo plane and dropped out the back.
>>64389751Tomahawk box launchers like on the Iowas are literal bolt-on components.
>>64389774DoW
>>64389751Metal ramp, wheeled dollies, car battery and some wires
>>64389751>immigrate illegally>join the military to show patriotism>launch tomahawks
>>64389765There's also just shooting them out of a modified shipping tube ala the armored box launchers on the Iowas.
>>64389751The new Brazilian frigates can launch them for some reason
>>64389819Congress hasn't ratified the change and won't. Still the DoD despite Kegsbreath's LARPing.
>>64389774>Would the DoD give this hypothetical country Typhons?I don't see why not. Typhon is just a Mk 41 VLS crammed into a container with some added hydraulics to put the "E" in TEL; the fucking V-2 had a TEL and literally tens of thousands of Mk 41s are out in the wild so it's not exactly LosTech at this point.The real sad thing is that all of the BGM-109s - literally designed to lob Tomahawks at Russia - were scrapped.
>>64389774I would rather have SM-6 instead of Tomahawks. Sure, good cruise missiles >> okay cruise missiles But, good LR AA >>>> no LR AA. Being able to park a launcher 100km behind the frontline and still deny airspace to glide bombs would be a good shift. P.S. Euros really need to make their own SM-6 type missile. Obviously it won't happen since SM-6 are very new, but a guy can dream.
>>64389765>>64389774No you give them the secret BGM-109G Gryphons that weren't destoyed and kept in extra secret storage.
>>64389751They'd have to beg and grovel for permission to fire, of course.
>>64391222Yeahhttps://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-intelligence-helps-ukraine-target-russian-energy-infrastructure-ft-reports-2025-10-12/
>>64389775>especially with western technical support.the Ukes don't even have to kludge anything other than their own homebrew efforts such as Flamingo; NATO technical advisors just do the work for them really. and in fact the Ukes can't be expected to know jack about NATO hardware and software>>64389812this>>64390660>Btnigger gets variant designations wrongabsolutely dezgrabondsref yourself
>>64390718What does the SM-6 do that a PAC-3 or a Stunner/David's Sling doesn't?
>>64391222>beg and grovel for permission to fire,Trump is OK with total refinery death since he views it in an economic cotext.
>>64391702Not cost 3m per launch.
Are tomahawks even important now?I feel that 4 or 5 flamingos could do the same job for half of the price if we are talking about hitting refineries and shit
>>64389751Same way they launch HARMs from MiG-29s, you modify the plane.
>>64391724Tomahawks are faster, more accurate, are designed to follow/hug terrain, and have a lower RCS.
>>64391724Tomahawks are the most combat proven cruise missile that exists. They have long range, fly low as fuck, have a great navigation system and are very accurate. Russia already has shown they have a very hard time intercepting them in Syria. Russian airfields would get savaged if Ukraine was given a large enough number of them.
>>64391724Tomahawks would add volume to an already existing performance class the ukies have. That's seemingly been the policy so far; once they cross some capability threshold, the fear of escalation is no longer there.
Tomahawks hitting refineries and factories. My dick can only get so hard
>>64391745They are not going to get permission to use them to hit russian airfields.Remember that Trump didnt like Operation Spiderweb at all, and called it a provocation once.This permission game is outdated, im happy that ukraine is building its own shitty long range missiles now. That was a good move.
>>64389751>How could a non-American military launch Tomahawks? Purely hypothetically speaking, of course.there isnt onethe end.periodit was just Orange ass-talk to shift some heat off his israeli negotiation process
>>64391782>there isnt one>the end.>periodDamn, you should tell this to the other countries that have bought & launched Tomahawks. They'll want to know this.
next week someone will ask Trump if ukraine could recieve stealth-bombers and he will say something like>"I havent though about it...but we could...we could talk about stealth-bombers...*turns over to zelensky* you think you could pilot one of those bud? you could do it.. I think you could do it! were gunna look at it, ok *waves hands* were gunna look at the stealth bomber, I dunnno where it goes, but we will look at it"and there would be threads for two weeks her about the impending ukrainain B2 deliveries from "mothballed nato wunderwaffe deep-storage"
>>64391785>Damn, you should tell this to the other countries that have bought & launched Tomahawks. They'll want to know this.may we see the foreign nations operating ground lunched export tomahawks?may we see the launchers?
>>64391222>Russia is an energy competitor>Trump is pro American energy exportPermission already given
>>64391803There's no specific ground launched tomahawk model. They can be launched from any strike length Mk41, and wow, would you believe it? There's a containerized version that the Philippines, Germany, and now Ukraine are looking into. You'd know this exists if you read the thread.
>>64391724Tomahawks can be trusted to hit things that a Flamingo or long range drone might miss, either due to localized EW or size. Like bridge pylons, or individual aircraft.
>>64391814its more>"ukraine will recieve and deploy systems the west is only exploring on a token basis!"shit postingthe wunderwaffe gullablity has exhausted itself to the point of complete outlandish fantasyits was one thing when it was 22yo dutch f16's and atacms from the gulf war, but this descent into>"ukraine will deploy bleeding edge western missile systems the west itself has no doctrine for!"outside of terrorist adjacent >"hurr durrr we'll hide it in shipping containers and other spyderweb pt.II asymetric launch threats"is indicative of the flippant off the cuff retardation spread by Cheeto™s off hand remarks to the press caused
>>64391825>Like bridge pylonslmao, how many tomahawks is this?will ukraine get the "nuke-a-hawk™" equipped version?
>>64391808Fuck off and stop ban evading
>>64391837>how many tomahawks is this?Around 20 according to my calculations
>>64391724Better to use the flamingos on targets that the US doesn't want to greenlight for tomahawks, it's a alternate supply line for the Ukrainians that also adds some capabilities they don't already have in terms of accuracy and EW resistance.
>>64391857why are we even disscusing this? Trump is not going to give/sell tomahawks to ukraine. He even stopped selling "them" bradleys and abrams
>>64391837Like 8, what do you mean? Surely you don't think that after taking out several pylons that the now unsupported sections will just magically levitate themselves in the air until all the others are damaged, right?
>>64391829>the wunderwaffe gullablity Anon you're highly overestimating the difficulties of making a launch platform for a missile you possess. What exactly do you think is the hurdle that would stop someone from making one?
which version of Tomahawks do you think ukraine will receive from the US?>Ship launchedOR>SUB launchedpersonally, I Would recommend delivering the sub launched version (with sub) to ukrainealso, ukraine should hopefully receive healthy surplus supplies of Block-IV TLAM-C's with Digital Scene Matching Area Correlation (DSMAC) II navigation system, allowing three kinds of navigationBlock IV TLAMs can loiter better and have electro-optical sensors that allow real-time battle damage assessment. The Block IVs can be given a new target in flight and can transmit an image, via satcom, immediately before impact to help determine whether the missile is on target and the likely damage from the attack.this is frankly just the most basic-bitch tomawhawk from LMAO *checks notes* 1993 (kek)Putins red lines will never be the same, from a missile built when saved-by-the-bell was a first-run show
>>64391808>>64391863*blocks your path*
>>64391915they're getting ship launched because it's compatible with existing ground launch systems, read the thread
>>64391881>What exactly do you think is the hurdle that would stop someone from making one?$Hundreds of millions of dollars of guidance satellites, launcher development and a decade of mission-planning integration between the systemsis probably the first hurdlebut yah>"kek its totally trivial!! just launch it out of a shipping container! ez!"
>>64391932>it's compatible with existing ground launch systems,show the exact precise "ground launch system" that already exists that ukraine will operatemay we see it ?
>>64391946herenow fuck off, ziggot
>>64391946scroll up you retard
>>64389785>covered in leaves to use as a mineInstant mental image of a zigger coming across a doorbell in some treeline. There is a carefully camouflaged Tomahawk in the branches.
>>64391915I think donating missile-lobbing submarines would be so fucking funny they should absolutely do it
>>64391797You know the F-117 is semi mothball3d right now...And costly af to dispose of...
>64392020Right, so you're just deliberately being dense and arguing in bad faith.
>>64391168Evidence that any Gryphons were destroyed? Obviously the missiles were all updated, but why would they systematically destroy the launchers? Remember that time that the Army discovered a lost WWII-era super heavy tank sitting in a field for 30 years? There's almost certainly a bunch of Gryphon TELs sitting around somewhere, the Army might even know where they are.
>>64392058>Talks about how it's impossible to adapt any other platform to shoot Tomahawks while posting an image showing it's as easy as welding a box to a jeep
>>64392074Yeah, he's arguing in bad faith and shouldn't be given more attention.
>>64392020meds, helmettard
>>64392020/leftypol/ seethe; my favorite flavor.
>>64392037surely, the mothballed treaty-fucked launchers from 40 years ago will be instantly slapped onto the 5th wheel of a semi, plugged into the computer like a PS5 and *BOOM* bobs ur uncle you got a GLCM with TLAM, TERCOM and DSMAC (+loiter) ready to push zigger shit in and cause so many smoooooooooooooookenings (it happened again!!!!) that Putin literally does the opportunity cost calculation in his head, realizees it adds up to>"Russia lost"he throws his monkey paws up in the air in frustration+defeat, and literally fucks off back to mordor to face the great Russian national collapse pt.II twice-in-a-generation
Put it on an I-beam, point 45 degrees in Russia's general direction, attach to car battery and spark two cables together. Burgers are already providing targeting data so just get the missile pre-programmed from them.You could also use the really big matchstick method the Russians use to ignite the Soyuz.Plenty of ways. It's not like Ukraine hasn't had plenty of recent experience launching things that go boom from platforms never intended for that particular thing that goes boom.
>>64392058>nuclear superpowerUkraine isn't launching them at the US or China; what are you talking about?
>>64389819yeah stop deadnaming and respect the pronouns chud
>>64392058>>64392107alright so since you can't seem to get it without pictures, here's a pretty cutaway. you see that big ol' guidance section at the front? that was made with interoperability in mind. this thing was built to be deployed to turkey and used to eliminate every site, silo, city, and base of around the front half the USSR. the guidance software runs inside the missile itself, with mission programming being able to be performed via data link or direct upload of mission data from the unit's container. but surely you read SW820-AP-MMI-010 and know all of this already, right? you'd also then know that strict vertical launches are also not a requirement of the launch profile, right?
>>64392239>ukraine will simply hoist the tomahawk into the air with a balloon, switch that baby to *ON*, select *delete Moscow mode* (w/2ndary kremlin loiter route), point her in an easterly direction, cut the cable and wait for the audible seethe from Monke as the total cruise missile death rains down new-Moscoviafire-and-forget status?
>>64391716SM-6 costs over $4m
>>64391946How nice of you to out yourself as someone with FAS.
looks like a new prototype launcher is on the tablepictures of oshkosh X-MAV are making the rounds on ukie telegrams
>>64392829>newputting a Mk41 on a HEMTT has been the plan for quite some time nownot that it takes a fucking genius, it's not like there are that many common large Army prime mover vehicles to choose from
>>64392829>>64392836It's probably in the best interest of the Ukies to put the launch cells on a truck that is less distinct and unique looking. As far as I know, the Ukies aren't operating any HEMTT's rn.
>>64389751By reverse engineering a crashed tommahawk and building your own launch platform.These were made from crashed tommahawks in 2001 when the US launched them from the Arabian sea into Afghanistan.
>>64392978>stick a garmin on a doodlebuggood enough to impress turdies at a parade
>>64389751i can throw things really far
Could a tomahawk be carried by an SU-24, hypothetically speaking?
>>64391946>may we see ityou fags really can't come up with your own memes?
>>64393424that wouldn't really fit the launch profile or previous uses of the tomahawk at all. i could see someone theoretically rigging one to a plane but i wouldn't want to be the pilot, or the person who has to figure out how to go from a fairly stationary launch platform profile to a flying one using the navigation and mission programming of the tomahawk.
>>64393612Tomahawk originally competed against ALCM in the air force program to be fitted to B-52s but ALCM ended up winning instead so it's totally fine and suitable.I'm not sure if mounting handpoints to suspend and interfaces to integrate it with an aircraft would be feasible though.
>>64391837Hitting it would be purely symbolic because Russia already built a rail system to supply the front, so even if it got yote it doesn't really change much. Using the missiles to hit money making and military targets is worth it more and prevents Russia claiming that Ukraine is using these missiles to hit 'civilian' infrastructure.It's all moot anyway because this shit isn't going to happen and Ukraine won't get any. It's all a ploy in order to try and get Russia to go to the table. Trump's claim of 'we'll gradually increase permission until Russia accepts my terms which give them everything they want and more and punishes Ukraine for the temerity to even defend themselves' will either be bluff called or be quietly forgotten as some other issue pops up.The only hope is Trump gets his piece metal and he can finally remove a geopolitical rival from the US sphere for the next century or two. But he won't, because he's kompromat (read the Steele dossier).
>>64393633i can't imagine the software for such a legacy use case has been kept in an easily integrated fashion. any use like that i suspect would come from a remaking of that sort of program rather than a simple adaptation. it also seems strictly unnecessary for the use cases that that launch platform would theoretically enable.
Well this thread aged like fine winehttps://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2025/10/oshkosh-ground-based-tomahawk-launcher-breaks-cover/>>64392829I see someone else got here first
>>64389751This is about how sophisticated you need to get to launch Tomahawks.
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>>64393796>>64393792>>64393764praise toobbringer of big bloop
>>64393820If the implications are "zigs are behind a terror attack on american soil" that isnt exactly good for zigzogs
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>>64393764>>64393792>>64393839As you can see, all you really need is a flatbed, the Tomahawk tubes they come in, some I-beams, and BAM! Even the BGM-109G Gryphon launcher was basically a tube holder.
>>64389751All puccian propagandists are bleeding blood out from their bum because of this!Slava Ukrainii!
>>64393888You can see just how booty blasted they are by the amerikkkaweak-wect-has-fallen seetheposting all over the thread, if they weren't so fucking stupid they'd perhaps ingratiate themselves instead of making themselves objects of ridicule, many such cases
>>64391944>$Hundreds of millions of dollars of guidance satellitesNot nessecary for a target that's not moving>launcher development and a decade of mission-planning integration between the systems is probably the first hurdleHow amazingly vague anon, what launcher development are they lacking? What mission planning system are required to hit a building with missile? (Something ukraine is already doing)
>>64393957>abortionstbf being born russian is a congenital birth defect, it's the moral thing to do
>>64393838It's claimed that it was Russia showing USA what it would do to the country if Trump gave tomahawks to Russia. Because it happened after some Russian politician or something said that they would punish people if they gave tomahawks to Ukraine or some shit like that and that they would do it in a way that wasn't direct or some shit I can't remember the words.
>>64393838>terror attack
>>64393859this looks so bad it can only be real
>>643918378It would require 8 tomahawks to drop that bridge
>>64393712Software is easy, its literally just ones and zeroes
>>64393796>direct fire modeUnfathomably based
>>64393678>But he won't, because he's kompromatI imagine USA/EU has much greater kompromat on him than Russia does at this point. It explains why he has slowly come around
>>64392850Why would that matter? They wouldn't be anywhere near the front lines.
>>64393838The implication is that what goes around comes aroundRussians are hardly unaware of the American role in terrorist attacks in Russia
>>64393712If ukies can hack their John Deer tractors, they can also hack their tomahawks.
>>64394890the role of having tried to warn you and getting told:>xaxaxaxa you will not intimidate usright before some chechens shoot up a theater?
