Realistically, how could a naked Filipino beat a Spaniard soldier with a shield and full plate armor?
>>64396556the jungle
Since when did SEAmonkeys discover steel?
The Spanish killed 7,000 Incas at the Battle of Cajamarca and suffered literally no loses (only an African slave got killed). That means the average Spaniard was slaying AT LEAST 40 Inca warriors That's 40K space marine vs regular human king of shit. Must have been fun
>full plateNo. A helmet and breastplate maybe and that’s if they had the money to buy their own.
>>64396556Imagine how much less retarded south america would be if the spaniards killed them all
>>64396569cope>>64392769
>>64396583It would be full of Spaniards so still retarded and irrelevant
>>64396583Literally impossible Estimates for the population of Mexico, Central, and South America before the European conquest in 1492 vary, but a common figure is around 37 to 60 million people across the Americas, with estimates for the specific regions including around 6 million in the Aztec Empire, 5-10 million in the Mayan States, 11 million in Brazil, and 12 million in the Inca Empire. If people think the Holocaust was impossible with trains, concentration camps, gas Chambers and machine guns imagine getting rid of at the very least 40 million people with swords and shitty firearms that take forever to reload
>>64396585?
>>6439660390% of the natives died to disease. With a basic understanding infection I bet they could have made it nearly 100%.
>>64396569Spain lost a large part of Central America to African slaves,you guys are awful. The uk would never!
>>64396568They already had gunpowder weapons and cannons in Southeast Asia due to the spread of Islam there. A sword is chump change compare to the cannons and castles the Filipinos and SEAmonkeys already have.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lantaka
>>64396618>The UK would never LmaoSuck my dick
>>64396569The Inca were literally unarmed, though. Once they figured out the Spaniards wanted to kill them, they managed to wipe out several detachments before succumbing as their subject peoples switched sides and bolstered Spanish numbers.Atahualpa was retarded, that was all.
>>64396583The southern cone is more European than the US and still retarded.Never import Pasta.
>>64396569>>64396649This. Also note literally thousands were killed trying to keep the the King's throne off the ground. It's way less impressive when you consider it didn't involve much in the way of mutual combat and was more of a hybrid slaughter since they didn't know how to respond to the Spanish having control over their king.
>it doesn't count because the victor beat the loser
>>64396556If the Spaniard had to march 20 miles wearing that armor first
>>64396642and guess who won this war
>>64396664>The southern cone is more European than the US and still retarded.Anyone who believes this is legitimately a retard
>>64396556their clubs could theoretically manage to work just as well as a peasants clubs, and peasants did occasionally gang up and beat a knight to death. even in armor.
>>64396583>>64396603>>64396611>>64396649Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies, by Jared Diamond explains most of the history, and literally the fate, of secondary cultures.
>>64396684And guess who won the Rif War, retard >>64396585
>>64396693>and peasants did occasionally gang up and beat a knight to death.Sounds fun
>>64396556The "naked" Filipino can simply fire their cannons at the Spaniards wearing shields and full plate armor, since the Portuguese who came to the Philippines first, noted that Filipinos used cannons in addition to martial arts in their military operations across Southeast Asia, when they arrivedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzones>When the Portuguese arrived in Southeast Asia in the early 1500s, they witnessed the Luzones' active involvement in the political and economic affairs of those who sought to take control of the economically strategic highway of the Strait of Malacca.>Fernão Lopes de Castanheda, in História do descobrimento e conquista da Índia (Lisbon, 1551) Vol. 1, pp. 201–205 (Livro V, cap. 34), Malacca garrison (1511–20s); wrote as such:>Portuguese records show Lução soldiers in every garrison of Malaca, prized for their seamanship and ferocity in skirmishes with the Johor fleet.>For instance, the former sultan of Malacca decided to retake his city from the Portuguese with a fleet of ships from Lusung in 1525.[22]>And it was written in Gaspar Correia's, Lendas da Índia (Acad. das Ciências de Lisboa, 1858–64) Vol. 1, pp. 312–318 (Livro III, cap. LV) Malacca restoration (1526):>When the Sultan of Malacca fled, he took refuge with a Luções chieftain; fifty Lução ships then returned him to power, fighting their way through Johor’s blockade.>The Luzones had military and commercial interests mainly across Southeast Asia with some minor reach in East Asia and South Asia, so much so that the Portuguese soldier Joao de Barros considered the Luções who were militarily and commercially active across the region, "the most warlike and valiant of these parts."[28]
Spaniards encountering Stone Castles with Metal Cannons in the Philippines...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cainta_(historical_polity)>The polity was surrounded by bamboo thickets, defended by a log wall, stone bulwarks, and several lantakas, and that an arm of the Pasig River flowed through the middle of the city, dividing it into two settlements.[3]
>>64396556No. Spain DID take the islands.
>>64396694>Guns, Germs, and SteelTrash. But it allows turdies to cope I guess.
>>64396694Don't ever reference that nonsense ever again.
Heh. The metal sword.
>>64396568Huh? They always did have metal works. They traded and bartered for metal then made swords and spears.
>>64396702probably looked something like this, but with a club you're more likely to really ring the knight's skull. even in padding, skullcap, helmet, getting hit in the fucking head with even a stick with iron bands fucking SUCKS>t. hematard who volunteered to get hit
>>64396603Wasn't a problem for the Mongols.
>>64396694>Jared DiamondUnironically, kill yourself.
>>64396701France
>>64396556>how could a naked Filipino beat a Spaniard soldier with a shield and full plate armorSince you had to askhttps://tinyurl.cum/nakedfilipinabeatingwhiteman
>>64397048Outgroup preference. They see a picture of white knight fighting a middle eastern one and immediately assume the white man is the aggressor. It's easier for them to identify with someone looking different than their own people.
>>64396556Lmao most of south american natives joined the spanish to overthrow the awful leaders.
>>64396694That book is literally just jewish opinion.
TRVTH NVKE>Spaniards encountered multiple empires with awful practices>Many locals willingly joined the Spaniards and converted to Catholicism to overthrow the human sacrifice religion rulers>The diseases the natives encountered were the same that rekt Europe and are not native to either placeSpain did nothing wrong.
>>64396694Retarded faggot.
>>64397014This version of the fight always seemed like the armored guy, supposedly a knight, was holding back. Makes sense if he's winded, but an actual Knight in his physical prime would basically be able to tank blows while individually cutting down each guy. If each peasant had a mace maybe they could bumrush him and ring his bell hard enough to take him down but Knights would have trained to take out common weapons like spears easily since a spearman has to hope their spearhead is thin enough to get into a weakspot not covered by chainmail.
>>64396603Genocide is most efficienyly achieved through starvation and labour camps anon. The spanish worked lots of carribean people to death in the mines. But the mainland? Too much jungle and mountains you would never get them all.
>>64396694Ah yes. The retarded book that claimed Africa contains no coal or iron ore and that you cant domesticate zebra. And that claims Africa has no staple crops despite shit like sorghum and tubers existing there.The wrongest book ever.
>>64397859Most deaths were from disease, something that no one properly understood until hundreds of years later.
>>64396556Both got brutally mogged by 45 ACP and 38 special, SAD! Many such cases.
>>64397880>>64397880>claimed Africa contains no coal or iron oreso how did the zulus make spears? does the book say?
>>64396694>Guns, Germs, and SteelIt's hilarious how this book makes seethe both racists and leftards.The narrative and examples in the book were poor, but the main thesis of Geodeterminism is sound.Sorry faggots, it is what it is. The starting point in the word map was indeed key to success.>you cant domesticate zebraYou can't, retard. A few circus-like examples are worthless and there were other factors.And btw, you ancestors were forest niggers fortunate to live next to actual city builders and that's it.
>>64397943Excuse me, but there were African Kingdoms with shitloads of gold and southern Africa could literally feed everyone on Earth if it was utilized properly. You're just butthurt.
>>64397951Also before this seething brown says anything more, my people literally kept classical knowledge going in Europe far after the meds collapsed their empire.
>>64396556Rape
>>64396569>"battle" of CajamarcaNigga they ambushed and bushwacked a delegation of unarmed nobles at a peace negotiation, why the fuck would you brag about that?
>>64396568>Since when did SEAmonkeys discover steel?This nigga doesn't know about the Strait of Malacca trading cartels or the thriving Indian Ocean trading routes.
>>64397943>Learned Everything From /pol/ and /his/ Awardgay and retarded
>>64397825so the full video does mention that the bandit shot his horse, so he might have had a fall, jogged after the guy, and is then in a fight after all that. i can see him being a bit more winded after that, and having someone use a stick to shove you while you're already in armor is gonna wear you down to the ground pretty fast. i think the key difference between the two versions is actually the mancatcher getting a good handle on him early on in the fight.
>>64396556>how could a naked Filipino beat a Spaniard soldier with a shield and full plate armor?most people guess that they aimed for the legs,magellan was recorded to have had his arms and legs hitalso sheer numberthere were at least a thousand filipinos against less than a hundred spanish, the spanish also left their native allies on the boats further reducing their numbers at that point, force concentration hits a peak and theres no way for each spaniard to engage a native without a second or third attacking him from the sides and getting a hit on an unarmored part
>>64397943>the main thesis of Geodeterminism is sound.Japs and Europeans were more succesful than Africans with wildely differing geographies (and mineral deposits). The fucking Incas had a more advanced society than any African nation while lacking the wheel and metallurgy.Niggers are just retarded.
>>64397943>A few circus-like examples are worthlessGrug see Thag give meat to wolf. Stupid Thag, wolf not be friend.
>>64396694>GGS Ah yes the guy that said availability of resources determine everything then ignore less developed peoples with abundant resources.
>>64398474In reality it's closer to:A certain degree of scarcity to promote innovation.Enough resources to not suffer from constant shortages.The ability to easily conduct trade and exchange ideas.A culture that promotes both literacy and innovation.A stable government and areas not directly impacted by wars and violence. A stable economy. A largely consistent climate and generally predictable weather patterns for growing and storing food over long periods of time.
>>64396556They didn't
>>64396691He's kinda right in a really stupid way. Argies larp as euros and imitate their culture as much as they can. Americans see themselves as different and make an effort to be culturally distinct.
>resistance day>they all speak the languages of their conquerors
>>64396642“Alright lads, we’re going to the Caribbean. We’re British. Big fleet. Big army. Rich Spanish city. What could possibly go wrong?”The Cast:British: Admiral Edward Vernon, basically a man who thinks shouting “big ships, bigger guns” is a strategy. Around 186 ships and 27,000 troops. So, like, a small floating city with ambitions.Spanish: Blas de Lezo, one-eyed, one-armed, one-legged legend. Think: pirate wizard but official. Defending Cartagena with ~6,000 troops. Basically, the ultimate underdog meme.Phase 1: The “We’re Here, We’re Huge” MomentThe Brits sail up, guns shining, cannonballs probably polished. Vernon decides to land at Boca Chica, the narrow entrance to Cartagena. Spanish say: “Cool, we built a fort here, called Fort San Felipe, and it’s basically a brick-wall nightmare.”Phase 2: The Siege That Isn’tBritish try to blast the fort into submission. They’ve got cannons bigger than Blas de Lezo’s entire skeleton. But… oops. Spanish walls + expert placement + tropical storms = cannonballs mostly hitting the sand or missing completely. Vernon’s army is cooking in the Caribbean sun, sweating like a recruit in boot camp, while Spanish defenders are basically chilling and repairing walls between sips of rum.Phase 3: Disease, Disasters, and DesertionsYellow fever and dysentery show up like uninvited guests, killing thousands of British soldiers.Supplies are late. Boats get lost. Ships run aground. Vernon probably spends half his time writing letters whining to London.Morale: negative infinity. Soldiers mutter things like “Why the hell did we leave England for this?”Phase 4: Blas De Lezo FlexThe Spanish general Lezo moves like a chess grandmaster.Counterattacks? Easy. Hit-and-run raids? Yep. British army starts looking like a clown car of chaos.Vernon finally realizes sending 27,000 men against 6,000 Spaniards behind walls isn’t a guaranteed win.Phase 5: The British Retreat1/4 dead.Spanish win.
>>64396585>linking your own thread
>>64396556By being the strongest race.
>>64396556I don't think anyone legit knows what the fuck happened during that time. Maybe the Spaniards just came with heavy cloth and got camped at the beachhead.
>>64396556By being hopped up on shrooms. Unironically.
>>64398755I'd love to see the LLM prompt for this.
I find it extremely hard to believe that the Spanish used to be a global great power.
>Latinxirs appropriating our history. Lmao fuck off Temu Spaniards. Besides the Battle of Mactan is celebrated on April AND we also celebrate Magellan bringing Catholicism here.
>>64399186It’s entirely because they lucked out in betting a retarded Italian who couldn’t do math might stumble on something half worth it. Columbus was told to fuck off by the Portuguese when he first pitched his idea mostly because they looked over his calculations for reaching India. He was off by about 30% on his guess of the size of the world or something like that, and any scholar would have known it since the Greeks had done calculations centuries earlier of the size of the Earth using trigonometry. The New World and most importantly the Incan silver mines are what catapulted a unified Spain into great power status in Europe.
>>64399198maligayang pasko anon
In Puerto Rico, they know how to use their environment.
>>64396568Philippines' bottleneck wasn't technology, but infrastructure, leading to something similar to the Maori where indigenous warfare and tactics was mixed with then-modern weapons. Funnily, the Flips had adopted cannons and gunpowder before the Japanese.
>>64396556does /k/ know anything about flippos besides the usual 4chan archetypes
>>64399224unlike Amerindians who are all mutted up, SEAmonkeys are extremely pure.
>>64399230pure swag
Konichiwa, dude!Yee-haw!
>>64396568Why are you on a weapons board if you don't know shit about weapons
>>64396556The Philippines was part of the Old World so steel, gunpowder, didn't exactly scare off the native tribes as they had all of those. Sure Spanish armor & guns were better, but in the 1500s & 1600s, a time when transporting huge forces across oceans was not possible AND when most Spaniards were fine with settling in America AND when Europeans died like flies from tropical Asian diseases, there were too few Spaniards & willing to travel, live & stay in the Philippines to make a pure military conquest of the Islands possible. Hence diplomacy by the Friars did the heavy lifting in Spanish Colonial efforts as Spanish Catholic priests negotiated with weaker tribes & converted/united enough of them under the Spanish banner to make colonialism possible.Then there was also logistics. European swords were made by blacksmiths steeped in European swordsmithing traditions and (most importantly) European plate armor needed a lot of skilled work & infrastructure to repair and these were skills & infrastructure that simply wasn't fucking present in the Philippines. All the European trained blacksmiths and armorers are in fucking Latin America and too few if not 0 of em were willing to live in the Philippines, the furthest & most dangerous colony of Spain's. Logistically this meant that any piece of sophiticated armor or weaponry brought from Europe would eventually degrade over use in the Philippines with precious little resources to repair them. In addition to other factors like the climate & small scale local warfare, these led the Spaniards to armor-down: wearing only breastplates/helmets, chainmail shirts (easily repairable), and more interestingly: used whatever local gear available like Sino-Japanese weapons & armor and Aztec Quilted armor (that was actually good for the shitty tropical climate).The Spanish Soldier in the Philippines was less the glittering Tercio of continental Spain and more like some lightly armored RPG character with mishmash arms & armor.
>>64399310General public seem to oft-forget that the old powers really were focused on the whole civilizing mission which, as it turns out, worked better with smooth-talking clergy over Juan dela Murder screaming about God while smiting 50000 loinclothed manlets in one swing.Except the Dutch. Those guys were fucked up.
>>64398391>Incas had a more advanced society than any African nation while lacking the wheel and metallurgy.More than Ethiopia and the Swahili Coast? Lmao, no.
>>64397014Like shucking an oyster for flaterlanders.
>>64396556There were parts of the Philippines that were never colonized by the Spaniards even after 300 years. They were successfully fought off primarily due to terrain/skill and primarily used pic rel. I wont go into genetics, but they were taller and more muscular compared to regular filipinos due to diet and hunting.
>>64397943>racistsPost your gun with timestamp outsider.
>>64398337>>64396568straight up embarassing
>>64399468based
>>64396556Ambush tactics, which is considerably easier to achieve when you're on home turf. But really this amounts to an act of resistance rather than a strategy to avoid being dominated by superior force.> taller and more muscularThis really doesn't count for shit when your enemy has guns. Successful resistance to colonisation general comes from political organization.
>>64397048I'd tell you to take your meds, but there's not pill for ignorance.
>>64399326>Except the Dutch. Those guys were fucked up.Not sure what you're talking about (unless you mean Belgian Congo, which was a French/German affair), but Dutch colonial policy was a result of us simply not having the numbers to do "proper" colonization. So we were stuck with keeping the local princes in charge and making them do what we told them, which isn't conductive to large scale Christianization and Westernization.(and they deserved it anyway)
>>64399326>oft-forget
>>64399200they would have always been a power in Europe due to their size and population.but getting the first pick of the Americas made them a true global power. only for them to then start squandering most of it on the 30 year and above all 80 year wars.if anything the greatest contribution Spain made to the rest of the world was teaching the rest of us how not to run and ruin an economy.something that probably wouldn't have happened if Charles V hadn't dismissed all his Flemish advisors because some catalans got pissed. because unlike the people that insist on placing a guy taking a dump in their nativity scenes the Flemish did know how to run an economy.
>>64399916By the time Charles V became king, Spain was already the strongest and richest state in Europe, controlling also south Italy, Sardinia, and Sicily. The conquest of the Americas was ongoing and everything seemed peachy.It took spaniards 700 years to recover from the misrule of germoid visigoths, but then they made the fatal mistake of giving the crown to fucking germoid Habsburgs who didn't even speak spanish or cared about Spain, and were retarded even before being visibly inbred. So the nascent Spanish Empire civic and economic institutions were dismantled for a centralized machine to fuel riches into useless Habsburg wars for worthless wastelands and stupid religious feuds. Meanwhile Spain itself became impoverished and fell behind.If the Castillian revolt against Charles V had been succesful and a real spanish dinasty ruled the Empire, things would have been very different.
>>64399875>Successful resistance to colonisation general comes from political organization.Worked for them for 300 years. Rough Terrain as a force multiplier can be a deciding factor. The only political organization were normally warring tribes joining forces in 1601 deciding to crush the invading Spaniards. There was never a large Spaniard push after the defeat.
>>64397943Why the fuck do you think zebras can’t be domesticated? Not to mention the plethora of other mammals living in Africa?What’s the mechanism preventing it?
>>64396611Why didn't the conquistadors die to the natives diseases?
>>64400256because the new world germs werent half as dangerous as the ones that the conquistadors had been living withthats also why SEA was not reduced to mad max tier society by the europeans, they had already been introduced to and survived contact with the highly urbanized chinese
>>64400256They did, but way less because europeans had already developed better resistance after millenia of exposure to diseases cooked in big population centers across eurasia.Since most native americans died of foreign diseases without never have been in contact to conquistadors and settlers, these were also less exposed.Syphilis was the only significant american disease that had an impact in Europe, and that was probably because it was slow and easily hidden at first, so infected people was able to travel back without dying of fever in route.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbian_exchange#Of_diseases
>>64400286>>64400256on that note, europeans visiting the tropics do experience a high casualty rate to diseasesmalaria and yellow fever are frequently brought up as the main things to watch out for when visiting, things the locals are accustomed to
>>64397943The amount of seethe it causes here does rather suggest it’s probably true
>>64400241It just doesn't work.https://thomsonsafaris.com/blog/taming-zebras-domestication-attempts/
>>64396556they used psy war techniques, namely showing their naked bodies making the spaniards confused and bothered, it didnt work as well on the samurai mercenaries tho
>>64400321That's a retarded line of thought.
>>64396694>GGS I remembered why I stopped visiting this board. You gorilla niggers are actually the stupidest people on this website and that’s saying something.
>come back hours later>still seethingas I said, GGS is flawed, but it's hilarious how it triggers people wrapping in mental gymnastics their biases. Who knew that stating a simple platitude like "natural environtments shape human cultures and their success" could cause so much seethe
>>64399468Igorot?
>>64401041Being stupid annoys people, fancy that.
>>64400241>>64400558We already domesticated an African equine, they're called donkeys.
>>64401041It’s a simple premise burdened by a “muh raycissm” lens that distorts the author’s interpretation of facts and leaves out inconveniences to further his point. It’s an ineffective work.
>>64396640>have So they didn't discover it and traded for the weapons like the burger Indians.
>>64397880>Can't domesticate zebraI think the bigger problem with the "beasts of burden" argument is that there is a shit load of different species in Africa. We can argue about whether or not it's hypothetically possible to domestic zebra, but why stop at just zebra/Africa has native oxen, cattle, pigs, sheep, goats, there's pretty an analog much every farm animal except horses. In fact, some of them were domesticated, African cattle cultures go back thousands of years. And yet significant civilization never appeared, for the most part, and the ones that did never made it even close to the sophistication of European or even North African and Middle Eastern culture.
>>64399310Considering how the Luzones from Luzon Island, Philippines; were able to even dislodge the Portuguese and Johoreans from Malacca and return the former Sultan to Power...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzones>And it was written in Gaspar Correia's, Lendas da Índia (Acad. das Ciências de Lisboa, 1858–64) Vol. 1, pp. 312–318 (Livro III, cap. LV) Malacca restoration (1526):"When the Sultan of Malacca fled, he took refuge with a Luções chieftain; fifty Lução ships then returned him to power, fighting their way through Johor’s blockade."...When Filipino Luzones were even able to massacre the Portuguese and restore the Malaccan Sultan, who had the same technology as the Spaniards......And it's Malacca the world's most valuable trade artery! "Whoever is Lord of Malacca has his Hand on the throat of Venice"?~Tome PiresIt's chump change for them, specifically Lapu-Lapu's men, to kill Ferdinand Magellan. What really won the Philippines for Spain was not the outnumbered Spanish soldiers some were even not full Spaniards but a bunch of Mexican teenagers; but rather, Spanish priests who shrewdly applied diplomacy and used the Hindu Kingdoms against the Muslim Kingdoms vs the Animist Kingdoms of the Philippines and etc. and made these internal divisions a recruitement crowd to conquer the archipelago.Had Spain not have native allies; it would be another massacre like how the Cebuanos massacred Ferdinand Magellan's fleet, or how Luzones massacred the Portuguese and Johoreans and briefly restored the Sultan of Malacca to power. People keep on romanticizing isolated Japan or Korea as great warriors but even greater feats were done in Southeast Asia.
