what are the vibes on this?
>>64397619It ranges sky
>>64397624but can it regnar the yks?
>>64397619It better be good at popping drones or its completely useless
>>64397619I know collars on turret rings are a weakpoint but i think it looks neat.
>>64397619Good enough at taking down cheap long range drones
>>64397619It's basically a modern Gepard. Precisely what's needed, given that the Gepard is arguably the most praised western weapon system in the war in Ukraine.
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>>64397798>Gepard is arguably the most praised western weapon system in the war in Ukraineis this true?also does russia have an equivalent?
>>64397865>does russia have an equivalent?www.google.com
I think it looks cool.
>>64397865>does russia have an equivalent?Doctrinally yes, technologically no. Russia likes to copy every weapon concept of countries it considers potential adversaries. But actually making it work reliably is a different ball game.Lots of countries have SPAAGs. But Russia's models have been plagued with problems. Germany's Gepard had already the reputation of being the best SPAAG. And now it got a modern upgrade.
>>64397902I have never seen any coverage about the tunguska, terminator, or the pantsir (using its guns)seems like >>64397916is right
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>>64397619It's a G.I.Joe toy from 2002.
>>64397865>also does russia have an equivalent?Yeah they kinda copied it with the 2K22 Tunguska, but despite being similar or better on paper to the Gepard it underperforms and has slid off into irrelevancy like many of the russian gear.
Are there still Tunguskas around? I know they were never produced in huge numbers, were unreliable, mostly replaced by Pantsir and have generally been rare in Ukraine.
>>64397865I do see lots of praise for it. Its great at shooting down drones and aircraft retarded enough to get close by and its very cheap versus having to use missiles. Allegedly very reliable. Russians are supposed to have tons if self propelled AA with guns for short range air defense but apparently it all just gets blown up by fpv drones and sheer incompetence.>>64397619Gepard++. Can shoot down slow flying things which is apparently important again now in the era of thirdies spamming shitty drones and slow missiles at your population centers thinking they're winning.
The problem is that the effective range of auto cannons does not allow for area air defense, so they can only be placed directly on the facilities to be protected and provide point air defense.This requires the operation of large numbers of expensive vehicles, each costing well over $10 million.
>>64397619good but too expensive to field in sufficient numbersC-UAS should be a tiered system with guns, at least two types of missiles, DEW, reusable interceptors and EW, not on the same chassis of course
>>64399042>>64399064what's the real price of something like this without the western R&D upcharge + "ze german engineering" upcharge?
>>64399155comparable 35mm shipborne CIWS turret was about $10M each in LRIPeverything ship related is instantly much more expensive so I assume what is currently being sold for C-UAS is cheaper, like those palletized bushmasters with EO and radaralso the tracked chassis is a major cost driver, the reported prices were for the turret alone
>>64399213I know its totally different but I have a hard time understanding how something with less raw materials, less parts, less technology, and less software than a midsize SUV can be that expensive considering that both factories are manned by robots
>>64399042There are improvements to be made.
>>64399394Can it withstand rapid fire without outriggers?
>>64399394>>64399430NTA but > we need outriggers for pickup trucks > "that will be 7 billion dollars plus tip for delivery in 2037"
>>64397619I don't understand where it is actually built
>>64399430afaik the M230 is relatively low pressure compared to something like a ZU-23, and the longer barrel of the ZU means it can exert more leverage on the vehicleregardless, the system is probably going to get mounted on more JLTVs and armored vehicles than pickup trucks.
>>64397798uh that's the bradley actually?
>>64399430>25kN recoil force, 30 rounds per second>13kN recoil force, 3 rounds per secondhmm
>>64397619Munition probably overperforms against drone-munitions strapped with RPG's. Does make it useful in conventional role as well skullfucking the shit out of cruise missiles, UAV's and attack helicopters.>>64397865>Shilka>Tunguska>Pantsir (with guns on the truck)>>64397916>But Russia's models have been plagued with problems.In what sense, having shittier radars or reliability of the autocannons? I haven't heard much about this, just that they don't seem to do programmable munitions and/or time-fuzed sub-munition stuff.>>64399042Which is the case for basically all of these weapons, you need a layered approach with smaller form-factor point defense based on HMG's as well and these types of SPAAG's to protect HVT's or armored assaults. I'd expect that jammers/detectors would do the heavy lifting for most drone munition defense.
>>64399734increased dispersion increases chance of hitting the target, like a shotgun
Could they be deployed to the front lines as AA for assault forces? Just like the isolated Pantsirs were easily hunted down in the early stages of the war, they are high-value, vulnerable targets and difficult to stay hidden as they need to be in the open for radar and fire.
>>64397619>what are the vibes on this?One barrel, no liquid cooling = low fire endurance. Superior to LVKV 9040 because it can elevate to far higher degree (lvkv is limited to 55 degrees maximum elevation). Its inferior to pantisir and other gun + missile trucks because missile range is way above gun range and missiles enable overcoming multiple incoming at the same time. Its a quick hackjob similar to AWPKS for Ukraine.
>>64397619Just saw that there's a version with additional AA missiles in development. How long until we have SPAAG, missiles and lasers on a single APC?
>>64399820>Its inferior to pantisir and other gun + missile trucks because missile range is way above gun range and missiles enable overcoming multiple incoming at the same time.>pantisirGun and missile combo is always a good idea but the design of the pantsir seems to be lack luster.Pantsir really struggles against incoming low altitude suicide drones. Especially ones that are slow.
>>64399873Now if this is a skill issue or hardware problem we will never know. Maybe after the war the truth will come out.
>>64397619Turret ring visible enough to make a War Thunder player diamonds.>>64398041Ukrainians have shown off their Tunguskas from time to time, pic related.
>>64399430https://youtu.be/pb5_F4_Eod8?t=73You be the judge.
>>64399851IIRC the sensor pod is supposed to be enhanced in the future, as to use a 50 kW laser. So you'd have an all-in-1 solution for close-range defense. As long as you can afford it, that is.
>>64399596It just manifests in the Vril portal beneath the Wewelsburg.
>>64397865https://files.catbox.moe/mrz75p.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/fr6jcg.mp4
>>64399743>In what sense, having shittier radars or reliability of the autocannons?Accuracy and reliability:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQ0K823oHd0
>>64399747That's what I tell the cleaning lady at work when she complains about the urinals.
>>64399820>pantsir>being goodlol
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>>64400379/k/ino
this may sound retarded but when I saw footage of missiles hitting Israel I did not like how the interceptor missiles looked so lazy slowly lifting off the ground just to miss. when I see footage of flak cannons firing tracers, I know they miss too but they look so badass.is there any validity to this or am I cooked?
>>64400601>look how hard i can piss
>>64401128Not every anti air missle can be a sprinthttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YZZV464z9g8https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kvZGaMt7UgQ
>>64401650too based we need this again
>>64399901>>64398539>>64398041>>64397865>Tunguskas still around?The Tunguskas are still physically existing as metal objects, yes.As to their operational condition circa April 2024...
>>64399639This isn't your reddit circlejerk, anon.
>>64397865>is this true?Yes.>also does russia have an equivalent?Not in practical function, no.
>>64399783>Could they be deployed to the front lines as AA for assault forces?That's their doctrinal purpose.The point of Gepards was to accompany tanks and panzergrenadiere to offer mobile air defense.
>>64401128pic unrel btw, no war footage makes me happy in the slightest, just posted with this eye catching image to bait a reply
>>64401681It's like pantirs big bro with 100 g accel to Mach 10 in 5 seconds and nuclear warhead and no sensors. Big bro, big costs. Don't think there will ever be another rocket going this fast this quick.
>>64397759>>64399901It's a skyranger turret shoved onto a Leo1 chassis, a chimera that was never meant to exist and a stopgap for ukraine. Normal sykrangers will be mounted on boxer or lynx.
>>64402427I like the dutch configuration with skyranger 30 on PMMC G5 chassis
>>64403946What if Skyranger on Gavin?
>>64404021It's not.
>>64399639>>64401705Bradleys are probably 2 or 3 on the list, credit where it's due. (M113s are apparently going to be remembered more fondly than we thouight a decade ago, the scuttlebutt goes). M2s have shown their worth at the front, while Gepards have shown their worth in the rear (typically, which is another solid reason it's very, very worth).
>>64403946CUTE
>>64399430There's nothing wrong with using outriggers on point defense gun.
>>64403946>>64402427>>64399901How do they wire power to turrets like this? Is there a cable that gets twisted with each full rotation inside? Do you have to do equal number of rotations the opposite direction to untwist it?
>>64406266Stuff like slip rings and lengthy, flexible cabling.
>>64399394pretty sure grumman has fucking the dog and these things are like 3 years late.
>>64397619It's a drone shooter. It's like an air burst grenade launcher version of the Vampire system which does the same thing for far less money.
>>64406266Rotational coupling is a legitimate engineering problem but it's been solved for a long time. Trick BMXs use them for brake cables. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DetanglerFor electronic connections, read up on slip rings. There's loads of types, including liquid metal conductors. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_ringThe general concept was invented in the late 1800s, some equivalent device existed since 1821 with the first electric motor because they all need a commutator which is a related concept.
>>64408028> vampire is cheaper initially yeah but how many vampires can you realistically bring to a battle and after how many shots does it start to get more expensive?
>>64397619Does it have a radar or something similar to detect air threats?
>>64404021the Gavin is a fantastic vehicle that has been completely supplanted in American service, but when you compare it to Soviet stocks it absolutely shineslight, rugged, spacious, and easy to work on compared to the soviet shitboxes that the men it's been given to are used to>>64411354bro you can literally see the phased array radar dish on top of the vehicle>>64408028so ideal for point defense?
>>64397759it's going to be flush with the KF chassis
>>64404021>the skygavinNot to be confused with the flying gavin.
>>64397619If they can keep it fed with ammo it should do ok I think.
>>64397619those 35mm AHEAD rounds are pretty useful for naval applications since nobody is going to be using cheap drones or missiles to destroy warships.but for land application, it's different since the enemy can simply send a massive swarm of cheap drones/missiles against a single 35mm AA system which surely must cost at least $5m a pop.
